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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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I agree with the GTA thing. It feels like they changed some of the physics too- for the worst. And the driving feels really floaty. Then there's the leveling up the stats and all that. The whole thing reminds me of True Crime from all the massive amount of extra land that has no purpose other than to get lost in to the stupid skill learning thing to the freeway where getting run over repeatedly is mandatory. Even the little icon to enter buildings looks similar.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Oh come now.....
You can't possible say that GTA:SA Is the worst game of the year, go read PC:Gamer or something and pick out a game that got %11 percent score.....maybe biggest dissapointment, but not worst game.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Another thing I didn't mention is graphics on the map. I don't know whether it's my not quite 20/20 eyesight, or my colourblindness, or what, but often I'll get a mission, and from the map have NO CLUE where I'm supposed to be going. They're far to indistinct.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Amen brother! Let Burnout 3 lead thee to the promised land of salvation! My favorite game of the year as well, super-replayability, can play it for hours and hours, drop it for 20 minutes and then do it again! (Considering I have that much time on my hands) Also going to have to agree with the San Andreas thing, it managed to keep me interested for 5 hours at least, learning all the new stuff, just biking around on the push-bikes but the next 25 hours I clocked in seemed like I was simply trudging through the same crappy missions I played in GTA3 and Vice City.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Have you tried Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater? No more short-sighted guards and pistol's silencer can now deplete after repeated use. The gameplay has changed to really emphasize on the use of camouflage to aid in stealth (and... hiding in knee-high grass), thereby increasing the difficulty level of the game as compared to previous versions.

Now THAT is what I call improving gameplay.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Burnout 3: I can't think of another game that has hooked me for this long before.

MGS: I'm hopefully getting Snake Eater soon. I LOVE the MGS series. The first MGS title was the second PSX title I ever played. (Gran Turismo was the first.)

I'm still trying to find a PS2 (US version) copy of MGS2: Substance. It's impossible to find in Canada. According to the usual suspects up here (Amazon, Chapters etc...) it's no longer available. It's been my holy grail of PS2 titles for a while now and I CAN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE! GRRR!

Reassuring to see folk agree with me on San Andreas. I really did think I was opening a can of worms inside a hornets nest with my remarks:)
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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It's so 'cool' to trash the big game. I also played through GTA2, 3, and 3:VC. I loved San Andreas myself. So far I have about 40 hours clocked in right now and I haven't even finished it. The variety of missions is great. Not nearly as much repition as you people make it out to be. What about Burnout 3? Every mission is one of like 4 different things. Race, trash your opponents, or crash and get as much points as possible. Insert new levels, rinse, repeat. That's how ALL video games are. You make an engine that works, then you polish that engine first and fore-most. Like that phrase, "Jack of all trades, master of none", i know I rather have a concentrated game of a genre then a half-assed mixture of RPG/Fighting/Racing/Adventure/Puzzle.

So I guess what I'm saying in summary is, yes GTA:SA is nothing ground-breaking. Neither was Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, it doesn't mean they don't stand on their own. It is by far not the worst or biggest disappointing game to come along this year. Let's look at Halo 2 if we're gonna bash the AAA title release that's disappointing. The single-player is completely drag, and the multiplayer is basically the same, just over new levels and minor tweaks.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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It's so 'cool' to trash the big game. I also played through GTA2, 3, and 3:VC. I loved San Andreas myself. So far I have about 40 hours clocked in right now and I haven't even finished it. The variety of missions is great. Not nearly as much repition as you people make it out to be. What about Burnout 3? Every mission is one of like 4 different things. Race, trash your opponents, or crash and get as much points as possible. Insert new levels, rinse, repeat. That's how ALL video games are. You make an engine that works, then you polish that engine first and fore-most. Like that phrase, "Jack of all trades, master of none", i know I rather have a concentrated game of a genre then a half-assed mixture of RPG/Fighting/Racing/Adventure/Puzzle.

So I guess what I'm saying in summary is, yes GTA:SA is nothing ground-breaking. Neither was Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi, it doesn't mean they don't stand on their own. It is by far not the worst or biggest disappointing game to come along this year. Let's look at Halo 2 if we're gonna bash the AAA title release that's disappointing. The single-player is completely drag, and the multiplayer is basically the same, just over new levels and minor tweaks.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Burnout 3 as game of the year? I definitly do not agree with that. While it was an amazing game and definitly one of the best I think you must have forgot about a few games. Like, maybe, this little game called Halo 2 or something like that. Halo 2 was more hyped than any game ever and my friend thought that I would surely be depressed because no game can live up to that sort of hype. I am GLAD to say, that at least in my opinion, it has lived up to everything that I expected from it, and somehow even more. Halo 2, Game of the Year, hands down.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for not letting me down Christopher. Took seven comments for someone to make the "If you don't like something the masses like, then you're only ripping on it to be cool" comment. Apparently if you dislike something, you're only doing it to be hip... Grow up.

Burnout 3? Yes Chris, as you eloquently point out, it is repetitive, and lather, rinse repeat. The big difference though? It does not try and pretend it isn't. The game was never hyped as being the greatest game ever. You buy a racing game, you know where you're at. If I buy a racing game I don't expect, for example, an RPG element.

GTA: SA is a GOOD GAME. I said as much. But it's not exceptional. There has been no innovation. Strip away the new vehicles, and what do you have? A bolted on psuedo RPG element that actually makes the game even more tedious.

Amusingly, after you assume I've ripped on the game just to be "cool"... You then criticise it yourself saying you'd rather have a "concentrated game". Make up your mind.

And invoking the holy trilogy will win you no points with me, Sir. If you don't think Empire or Jedi were groundbreaking in any way, then you obviously don't know much about movies.

And something I meant to reply to earlier. Yes, floaty physics. Something just feels off in most of the vehicle handling. The low-riders... It's like they have helium in their tyres.

As for Halo 2, since I don't have an Xbox, I could hardly choose it as the game of the year, or disappointment of the year. I do not have the luxury of having access to every system and every game. There are other fine folk on Joystiq who HAVE Halo 2, and I'm sure if they choose their top and bottom for 2004, Halo 2 will definitely figure in it.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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My vote for biggest let down game of the year easily goes to Doom3. Fabulous graphics but sunk by critically flawed gameplay and design. What's the point of having gorgeously rendered environments and models if the game designers decided to turn the lights completely off so you can't see a darned thing? To make things even more interesting, we'll give the enenmy AI the ability to spawn behind your back at every turn to really drive home that feeling of cheapness. I definitely disagree with nominating GTA:SA as disappointment of the year, but I can understand that the style of gameplay in the GTA series does not appeal to everyone. GTA:SA is sizable evolutionary step in the series, and the level of quality in design and attention to detail is matched only by very, very few games. The gameworld and characters in GTA:SA feel so much more fleshed-out compared to the previous games in the series.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Dear Steve,

Hey, I am grown up. I’m old enough to buy liquor(in a few months). And no, I’m not saying the masses like it, you must… I’m saying listed something that was hugely anticipated and a great saying as the most disappointing game simple for shock value. I’m not saying the ONLY way you can not like it is by making it up, I just believe your reasoning for doing so sounded like rubbish, or even like something you searched for to make it look bad. Final fantasy games are unarguably long games, and play during hours 10-15 are no different gameplay wise then hours 35-40. The big difference? Storyline. Like John said, the characters in GTA:SA are way more fleshed out than any of the previous GTAs and makes the game a lot more enduring for me. Like your complaints about the being slammed for innovation into finding the new lands before you unlock them storyline wise… The story clearly points out that if you try leaving where Tenpenny left you, they’d make sure you were a wanted man. Makes complete sense to me that they stick to that as opposed to just trying to leave you with a bad ass sounding line that was completely hollow, how Samuel L’s “and you shall know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee” line from Pulp Fiction. I much rather have a storyline reason as opposed to what most video games do, just throw up invisible walls and let players just accept the fact that it’s a video game and it has boundaries and to accept that. It’s much more immersive the style they did it.

As for your comments on burnout 3 not pretending to be something its not? When has Rockstar EVER announced that GTA:SA was anything more than what they released it as? They let the advertising handle itself. “Hi, we have another GTA title, this time based in ____, and included the ability to swim, and increased the size of the land”. Call me crazy, but that sounds a lot like GTA wasn’t trying to sell itself on something that it’s not. Then saying that they bolted down a pseudo-RPG element down to this one? I was under the impression they did that in the last one when they gave your character a voice. And the first GTA3 wasn’t much different, just pretend the main character is Chronotrigger and for some reason he’s incapable of speech. Saying that adding a story element to a game detracts from it and makes it more tedious is just absurd though. Giving a driving reason for the main character to do what he’s doing keeps it from being Pong or Pac-Man. Games have evolved since then, live in the now.

Oh, for saying I was suffering of the duality of man, you couldn’t be farther from the truth. I was simply stating that given the choice between a concentrated or varied gameplay design, I choose concentrated. I never applied GTA:SA to either title. I mentioned that, Steve, because you went on about how repetitious it was in it’s missions and gameplay style. If anything was suggested it WAS that GTA:SA is concentrated game, and I much rather have that then something that does everything, hence fending of repetition through variety.

Empire and Jedi were ground breaking? I know Star Wars inside and out, from the phenomenon of their releases to nearly all it’s expanded universes. Listen to the commentary or watch some of the bonus features on the new DVD release. Lucas claims himself that the other two were simply following suit of the first one, and everything was so much easier because the first one laid out a map of how things could be done. Saying that neither of the sequels were ground breaking couldn’t be any more accurate, since anything in Empire and Jedi had already been done by Episode IV. If you don’t believe me, just compare the awards received by ANH, ESB, and RotJ.


Closing, yes, I don’t have an Xbox either. I only have a PS2 and now a NintenDS I still have friends though and do often play their games with them. Since Halo 2 is one of the few games that offers a 100% unfudged single-player campaign for a FPS, I joined my friends in playing it. I’ve also been invited to do some Halo 2 LAN parties so far. So claiming because you don’t own the system is a weak reason to ignore it.

And just so I don’t come across as a complete ass to you, I realize that these are your opinions and there is no right or wrong. I just figured you shared your opinion and would welcome debate on the topic. It’s just how I stand on the subject of GTA:SA since I’ve enjoyed the time I’ve put into thus far. I also enjoyed reading your article and wish there were more like it, even if I disagree with it.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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GTA:SA is a good game but unless you didn't play through the other games, it's not worth buying.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Steve,
If you write a review, such as the one you wrote, where you choose the best game of 2004 and biggest letdown of 2004, that implies that you are considering all games that there are for those categories. If you just have a playstation, what qualifies you to write such an article? You should change the titles to "Best playstation game of 2004 that I have played" and "Biggest letdown of 2004 on PS2 that I have played". And even then, I think MGS snake eater would definitly contend and beat burnout 3 for that title.
Burnout 3 was a good game. It was even an awesome game. And it didn't have all that hype that you seem to hate so much. Don't worry, I'm sure burnout 4 will make up for that and have more than enough hype. So maybe you can call burnout 3 the sleeper hit of 2004. But I'm just shocked that with so many groudbreaking games that came out this past month or 2, you still said burnout was the best game of the year. I mean, Halo 2 and Half-life 2 were released this year! So please, go out and buy an xbox, buy a game cube, buy a better computer, give each title it's fair share of time and qualify yourself as a reviewer.

Sorry if I come of a bit harsh, but its very annoying to read something based so purely on the limited amount of games you have played when the title suggest much more of an interesting read.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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" If you just have a playstation, what qualifies you to write such an article?"

i agree with that but i thought GTA:SA was sort of a letdown and i own all 3 major console (Xbox, PS2, Gamecube) and i have a good PC. I ever got to play burnout though...
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Totally disagree with GTA SA being disappointing. I love it. I never quite got GTA3 and I never enjoyed the top down GTAs for anything more than the multiplayer but Vice City had me hooked and now so does San Andreas. Out of all the games I've bought this year its the one I've played and enjoyed the most and the only game I've ever played where the game world seemed so vast and almost never ending. This is something I thought RPGs were supposed to do but never have done. I've racked up 45 hours on the game so far and enjoyed nearly every damn minute of it. I've been massively disappointed with recent games and have preferred to play the old classics via emulation but GTA SA has kept me believing there are still some damn fine playable games being made. It's my game of the year without question. Sure it aint perfect but I'm having too much fun playing it to care bout its few faults.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Burnout was a great game indeed. And i agree with you that the gta games are all the same and is getting old.

Though my opinion of Best game of the year is Half Life 2. I love that game.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Biggest Dissapointment of the year has to be Barbie Horse Adventures on the GBA... If I wanted horses I would be watching My Little Pony right?
neway
Total Agreement with Burnout 3... So nice not to have car manufacturors demanding their cars look nice even after hitting a railing at 200mph.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, so I guess Dungeon Lords is a better game than GTA:SA? Dreamcatcher Games thanks your site for having such poor game reviewers. "At least it didn't make the prestigous 'worst game of the year' list, and Joystick is such a picky review site, they'll even knock down GTA:SA! Yay! Dungeon Lords rocks!!
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:47PM (Unverified) said

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a quoate "I don’t believe in hype. I do not automatically love a game based on how great I’m told it is by the developer or its fans"

Yet you let it effect your opinion anyway. Obviously, the only reason you give the reviews the way you do is by how much hype a game gets, only you dislike a game more for getting hype. Bottom line is you are no better than those who like a game for it's hype because you clearly made the point that hype effects your opinion.
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