Picture the Revolution

gamerH learn to read: my argument, then your own.
1. what's illogical in thinking that if IBM and ATi are making the hardware for both the xbox360 and the Revolution (they are) that their comparative sizes might be meaningful?
2. what's more illogical than saying 'specs and numbers are meaningless', then saying "numbers matter at this stage"? or this gem, "I don't hold any severe bias (beyond my preferance of Nintendo)" yeah, truly 'nuff said.

k, enough of that, sorry y'all.
anyone have any actual IDEAS or OBSERVATIONS as to what Nintendo has in store? here's another observation/guess, Nintendo wouldn't have called it Revolution, or (more importantly) hidden the controller from us, if it was just going head to head vs. the other consoles...

Digi Smalls.

You've lost, accept it kid.

"1. what's illogical in thinking that if IBM and ATi are making the hardware for both the xbox360 and the Revolution (they are) that their comparative sizes might be meaningful?"

The 360 has umpteen media devices within, making it larger (you keep ignorantly avoiding this fact) .. yes as stated an issue you ignore again and again as it goes against your illogical opinion.

IBM and Ati are are making GPU/CPU for both systems, yes. One has mulitple Media Software/Hardware components inside (360) and one is a gaming device only (Revo).

Naturally the Revo will be smaller as it doesn't have the extra space needeed for media - this doesn't mean that it will be weaker. It just means it will be a games console and not a Media Hub.

"2. what's more illogical than saying 'specs and numbers are meaningless', then saying "numbers matter at this stage"? or this gem, "I don't hold any severe bias (beyond my preferance of Nintendo)" yeah, truly 'nuff said."

You are the one using false numbers (that is the context, unless you are a retard, that I was refering to), yes they matter but only in real time - and they aren't in real time so shut the hell up.

As for your "gem" - so you aren't biased to any console? I at least have the balls to admit it in debate, unlike little kids like you.

You have no idea about the industry, about technology or about hardware - you put your uninformed speculation arguments in like they mean anytyhing. Simply put they don't, your complete lack of industry knowlegde has ruined this entire comment thread.

sure thing gameH. because media 'stuff' takes uh 'space' (even tho the 360 drive is now external) and numbers count but only if they're not from sony, but i have no bias, except i prefer nintendo... you show a firm understanding of your own arguments, and especially of the game industry. to answer your question, no i don't favor a particular console, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. thankfully, i can afford all three, even though i've only developed for the xbox. here's some extra 'game knowledge' i'll leave with you:

"[Revolution will be] of a different nature that does not follow the conventional path of new game systems that increase speed and visual quality for making elaborate games, The rule of satisfying customers by increasing specifications worked once, but no longer applies now"

- Satoru Iwata
Nintendo President

Digi Smalls.

Congratulations, you've lost.

The external HD has nothing to do with internal media Hardware, you have ignored yet another fact that goes against your uninformed argument. Sidestpep these facts all you want, it doesn't help any point you have.

What about internal TIVO, what about the hardware that drives the many other media applications?

Ignoring these many features will not help you.

And does that quote imply that the Revolution will have weaker specifications - no.

It implies that the system will have other features than just a graphical update.

Give up please, your lack of knowedge is tiring.

Do you want the many quotes that state that graphical updates alone wont make the system stand out. How about the comments from people (that you continue ignoring) who have seen the system running - the same people that state the system to actually match the 360 and "possibly" compare to the PS3.

I don't know why you are so keen on the Rev being weaker, I'm a mulitformat gamer and from where I sit teh Revo will be roughly as powerful as my PS3.

Are you maybe a Nintendo hater that is scared of a Revolution, are you scared the systems "revolutionary" features may well make it a market successs.

Life sucks, lets all kill ourselves.

Thank you, P. Wrinkle, and thank God for your wit.

The revolution will be in the controller.
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Uh, wasn't one of the earliest hints about the Revolution was that you could use it with a computer monitor? Doesn't that pretty much explicitly point to HD support?

As for the size factor, I wouldn't be surprised if IBM and ATI did some really amazing custom work for the Revolution. Keep in mind that both these companies are using processes that put more and more transistors in less and less space. In fact, IBM has a crazy number of patents in this field. I predict a slightly lower-clocked CPU with more cores and a full-blown custom ATI card with a fuckton of proprietary neat tricks. Of course, we're all just working with assumptions...

The downloadable service will be HUGE. I have an older brother and two younger sisters who will ignore anything in 3D but fight like animals to play Super Mario World. Nintendo's biggest strength really is the fuckton of awesome games it has under its belt. If they follow the iTunes model, they could rake in tons of dough while offering a very reasonable and affordable alternative to illegal emulation. I really, really, really hope they allow us US gamers to download import-only games.

Also, nothing should prevent the slot-loading drive from loading the smaller GameCube discs. It'll just recenter that shit.

I think its too early to argue either way. In my eyes neither of you have "won" or "lost".

I will agree that relying on size to dictate performance is not wise. First of all both the PS3 and 360 have more ports than the Revo (USB2, etc.) and as someone mentioned earlier the Revo will have an external power supply which can save ALOT of room.

Here are some of my ideas/thoughts:

The Revo will use slower clocked cpus but use more of them (heat issue). It may also have some dedicated physics hardware which will reduce the need for CPU/VPU power. Also regarding the heat issue, as long as you can optimize airflow and keep fresh air coming in and hot air going out size isnt a huge factor (to a point obviously).

Now as for HD support. First of all the GC does NOT support or even display HD. It does however support 480p which is referred to as ED (Enhanced Definition). No matter what anyone says Nintendo will definately be shooting themselves in the foot for not supporting HD which is why I firmly believe it will. The reason for this is because of the time frame between new consoles. By the time the Revo is about midway through its life MANY more people will have HD displays, and if you've ever gamed/watched HD (on a true HD display) you'd know why.

Obviously the revolution lies in the controller and im both excited and afraid...... I'm a little afraid because it will be something radical (i.e. change) and lots of people probably wont even give it a chance, however it IS Nintendo which means it will probably be damn good.

I'm sure there were more thoughts but thats all I've got for now.

I think its too early to argue either way. In my eyes neither of you have "won" or "lost".

I will agree that relying on size to dictate performance is not wise. First of all both the PS3 and 360 have more ports than the Revo (USB2, etc.) and as someone mentioned earlier the Revo will have an external power supply which can save ALOT of room.

Here are some of my ideas/thoughts:

The Revo will use slower clocked cpus but use more of them (heat issue). It may also have some dedicated physics hardware which will reduce the need for CPU/VPU power. Also regarding the heat issue, as long as you can optimize airflow and keep fresh air coming in and hot air going out size isnt a huge factor (to a point obviously).

Now as for HD support. First of all the GC does NOT support or even display HD. It does however support 480p which is referred to as ED (Enhanced Definition). No matter what anyone says Nintendo will definately be shooting themselves in the foot for not supporting HD which is why I firmly believe it will. The reason for this is because of the time frame between new consoles. By the time the Revo is about midway through its life MANY more people will have HD displays, and if you've ever gamed/watched HD (on a true HD display) you'd know why.

Obviously the revolution lies in the controller and im both excited and afraid...... I'm a little afraid because it will be something radical (i.e. change) and lots of people probably wont even give it a chance, however it IS Nintendo which means it will probably be damn good.

I'm sure there were more thoughts but thats all I've got for now.

sorry about the double comment....

all i did was click the link to activate it... my bad

i just wanted to clear up th HDTV suport of the GC... ALL games from all regions from any publisher suports 480i... i personaly use the HDTV cable and it works with every game (both PAL and NTSC) and about 50% of my games suport progressive scan (480p) So there was no problem with games not suporting it.. only people... I acualy dont know how many of the xbox users acualy use the HDTV feture, is it more than 20%?

And like #56 said... Nintendo said that the rev would be able to hock up to a comp monitor so it must suport somthing of the higher resoulution... maybe not 1080p but does anybody acualt have a tv that suports that?

"First of all both the PS3 and 360 have more ports than the Revo (USB2, etc.)"

Didnt you see the new pics... the rev has full GC I/O... 4 controllers and 2 memory cards.. and the GC contol port is larger then a USB prot so that would make the rev have 2 USB + 4 GC + 2 GC mem + SD card + Video and audio out so that makes them about even dont you say?

no console is coming with a built-in tuner for Tivo-like ability. to record external video, the only hardware needed is a hard drive, and the one that comes with the 360 (which isnt internal) would be way too small (20gb). connectivity to mp3 players and cameras would require the same size USB chips used for connecting game controllers (or Gameboys)

Again 480i which is SD (Standard Definition) and 480p which is ED (Enhanced Definition) are NOT HD! HD as it stands right now I believe is 720p, 1080i and possibly 1080p (not sure if 1080p is actually part of the standard yet).

As for the GC ports... no i didnt see those but the external PSU still saves alot of room. And again if they go with slower clocked CPU's but have a dedicated physics core it would save space and allow comparable performance.

Also if any of the consoles were going to have Tivo-like abilities (rumours) it would in fact require more hardware especially if it were going ATSC. Either way it would require hardware decoders and video inputs.

we've seen the ports of the ps3 and 360. again, no tuners (ATSC, PAL or otherwise) no cable inputs, and no video inputs for external sources. Sony learned its lesson with it's PSX game/dvr combo. only 'talk' of Tivo on these game consoles is on this thread.

It's my design for predicting the revolution control.The emphasis is the infrared emitter to get the position of the control.
It's the URL of the pictures:
http://photo.163.com/openalbum.php?username=guesule&_dir=%2F10422392

It's my design for predicting the revolution control.The emphasis is the infrared emitter to get the position of the control.
It's the URL of the pictures:
http://photo.163.com/openalbum.php?username=guesule&_dir=%2F10422392

It's my design for predicting the revolution control.The emphasis is the infrared emitter to get the position of the control.
It's the URL of the pictures:
http://photo.163.com/openalbum.php?username=guesule&_dir=%2F10422392

Well one thing is right, the new nintendo revolution has a cool look, but is she really that great, is she going to make a difference in the market? only time can tell.