Do you trust Microsoft's Xbox 360/PS3 comparison?

by James Ransom-Wiley { May 26th 2005 at 4:04PM }

Major Nelson

Late last week, Xbox team member, Major Nelson, began using his blog to detail a performance comparison between the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Currently he's posted Parts 1 & 2 of a proposed 4-part series. He writes:

Part 1: "When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance."

Part 2: "The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.

The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming."

But, as Kutaragi has said, the PlayStation 3 is not a "game machine". Go figure. So what do you think? More smoke and mirrors? Shouldn't we be playing games?

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)

Matt @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Actually all four parts have been there for the past few days. here's part 3: http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-3-of-4/

and part 4:

http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

now you don't have to go searching for them :)

drGherbik @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Xbox 360 could product factory fresh butter for all I care.

thies @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

MS has a bad lineup and weak hardware. And they know it. Otherwise they would simply show of their games and not bother with weird statistics and whatnot in an attempt to prove through those that their machine is more powerful. It's down to either their hardware sucking, them not having any decent games to show, or both. All they can do is try to bullshit potential customers and get them to buy their offering before the competition brings their hardware to the market.

I have by now decided not to buy either machine until next summer. The market penetration of hd displays is minimal and prices remain high. I believe that will change next year before the football world chamionship and also provide me with an additional incentive to purchase one. At the same time both competitors will have brought their offerings to the market by the time and I can make a direct comparison. Up until then this is all amusing, but inconsequential. The marketing hype will become meaningless as soon as magazines etc have at least testing rigs of the final hardware and can provide me with a less biased comparison.

I prefer to make my purchasing decisions not based on spreadsheet comparisons by employees of either company, rendermovies, devkit showcases or statements how easy development is but instead by what kind of package they manage to sell for which price.

As for Microsofts sole mmorpg offering, Final Fantasy XI will have you play with pc and ps2 owners. For one, they are in levels beyond where you are and are going to kick your ass. Then, they use keyboards for communication. You don't have one, you have a headset, they don't. makes for a horrible setup. I won't even get into detail about how laughable it is to put an emphasis onto that game as a launch title while it was released on their competitors last generation hardware and has only had it's resolution increased to what the PC version also has offered for some time now.

All of this makes me really uncomfortable for the time being in regards to considering to give my money to MS this fall already. Not only as what they will sell might be mediocre, but because I would want to punch myself if the competition really ends up being vastly superior in price, performance and gaming experience. If Sony doesn't end up being better in every respect I lose nothing by waiting and buying a 360 next spring after all. But at the same price and capabilities having a blu ray player would simply tilt the scale in Sonys favour as MS' offering lacks the ability to watch HD movies.

There is also something else to take into consideration. For Sony being an all out entertainment company it makes more sense to ship next spring. They will instantly generate a market for blu ray movies and take advantage of the by then decreased hd display prices. all of which they themselves produce. All of which will sell well the following christmas half a year later. Ideally a PS3 will at the same time sell sony games, a sony hd flat screen, sony sound system, and a bunch of sony produced movies on sony blu ray discs.

A x360 will sell microsoft games, third party screens, partially sony, and third party dvd movies although that is doubtful as everyone has dvd players by now anyway. And with that it doesn't matter if sony loses a few hundred euros on each sold ps3 as it will generate revenue for them on some many fronts that it simply doesn't matter what the pricetag is going to be for the console.

Trevor @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

I think this blog is too biased to be taken seriously, I'd like to see an independant hardware specialist analyze these two machines.

Laurens Holst @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

This seems a bit like nonsense to me. Very convenient that an XBox employee �happens� to know that much details about the PS3, and it would be especially odd if the PS3, which is released later and thus has had more production time and newer technologies, and additionally is using a pretty revolutionary CPU, would be that much slower. While claiming to be twice as fast as the XBox360. That just doesn�t make sense.

If Sony couldn�t deliver on performance, I bet they wouldn�t make such a big deal out of it (only to be disproved later) and focus more on good games, like Nintendo does.

~Grauw

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Hey Joystiq, how's the whole Microsoft shill racket goin' for ya'? The second story today presenting the XBX360 marketing campaign as actual news.

NEWSFLASH: MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE CLAIMS OWN CONSOLE IS 5 BILLION TIMES FASTER THAN COMPETITOR'S.

Leave the tech-fetishism to a, oh I don't know, tech site and stick to the fucking games, because you obviously can't do anything else competently.

Todd @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

You know with all of this crap that they are spewing over specs I'm glad Nintendo kept quiet. At least their is something to be said of the idea of "we could tell you the specs, but we'd rather show you the games running on final hardware" (or something like that). By the time Sony & Microsoft get through nobody will even care about the specs...only the games.

Tim @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

That guy seems to forget people buy game consoles for games. Whether or not they call it a game console is pretty irrelevant, because Ken is clearly spewing nonsense when he says "that's just a function."

The weird statistics were only to get rid of these "PS3 is twice as strong as Xbox!" fanboys who don't even know what a floating (or even non-floating ;) ) integer is.

It's clearly not twice as strong. Whether or not Major Nelsons stats are skewed doesn't matter, as long as people will finally realize that.

Matt Selnekovic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

"Very convenient that an XBox employee �happens� to know that much details about the PS3"
Uh, because there are plenty of public sites to get info on the Cell from... also, Sony publicly stated a lot of the stats too.

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Also in blogosphere news:

Jalopnik reports that Mercedes internal testing shows CLK is 5 times faster than the BMW M3.

Daily Kos reports that Democrats are a trillion times more American than Republicans.

I can't believe I'm seeing shit like this posted. And here I thought Joystiq had some fucking integrity. Guess that's a short-lived thing in the game news industry.

P.S. I apologize for being so inconsiderate. My life really sucks. I'm a hateful, ignorant prick, I guess. But I promise I'm going to start working harder at being a nice guy.

I see now that Joystiq is merely trying to get a discussion going. It's important to supply a public forum for us to express our views, and I am grateful for this. Joystiq must put up with a lot of crap in order to keep this going. Man, I guess I've been contributing to that pile of sh*t that the rest of you have to sift through. Alas, I digress, I've said too much...

Peace out. Praise Jah!

Tasandmnm @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Don't bitch about MS spewing out tech numbers when Sony did this at a much larger scale at their E3 conference. Ms tried to focus on games and software at E3, only for Sony to repeat their PS2 Emotion engine hype again for the PS3. We have all seen this before and were fooled by it, will gamers ever learn? Did the PS2 ever push those theoretical 70,000 polys? Hell no.

Chris Weber @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

While the article appears correct in saying that the 7 SPEs have no "cache" or "direct" access to memory they do have thier own 256KB of memory that runs at the speed of the SPE. This allows the SPE to run independently of other SPEs. Each SPE can access another SPE's memory allowing SPE's to be combined for resource pooling.

It does appear that the Cell processor does not have a branch predictor. A move which saved a lot of transistors that were later used for the SPEs. Time will tell if the trade off is a net benefit.

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

"P.S. I apologize for being so inconsiderate. My life really sucks. I'm a hateful, ignorant prick, I guess. But I promise I'm going to start working harder at being a nice guy. Peace out. Praise Jah"

Real slick. Joystiq is spreading FUD, they get called on it and then they proceed to edit a comment. Pathetic.

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

"I see now that Joystiq is merely trying to get a discussion going."

I see now that Joystiq loses any integrity as an unbiased, informative news site when they post shit like this and masquerade it as real gaming news.

I assume this is James Ransom-Wiley. Maybe you want to spend a little less time editing my posts and a little more time covering real gaming news, you sanctimonious prick.

Starwind236 @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Yeah, it seems to me that Joysiq is carrying the Xbox 360 marketing banner pretty highly.

What ever happened to the days where the only thing that mattered were the games? Remember those days of playing Tecmo Super Bowl for NES, or 4 way 007 for the N64? Or even better Super Spike Volleyball with your buddies?

This constant "My console is better than you console" stuff is getting old really fast. The Xbox 360 or PS3 could have the best hardware in the world. It really doesnt matter who, however, if no one develops for them, or they have crap software.. who really gives a damn what the specs are?

I agree. Leave the tech stuff to the tech related websites and cover what you're suppose to cover. Games/Gaming cultrue.

Sometimes I wish gaming would go back to the way it use to be...

Digi Smalls @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

chill Joystiq, your redundancy is gonna start spoiling all the extra traffic you've gotten from this new console war.

Rocket Punch @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

James, let me help you rephrase your title cause as we ALL know, Microsoft has absolutely nothing to do with these comparisons. Hence your title should be:

"Do you trust majornelson's A.K.A. "the Microsoft Xboxlive's programming director's and his team of Microsoft's engineers" Xbox 360/PS3 comparison on his "unofficial" blog?

Ok, now that's better. Remember, the key word here is "unofficial" cause this will disassociate his "personal" opinion from the company who happens to pay his salary. I personally do believe this comparison is accurate (number wise), but I don't believe this is fair comparison. It is more like an ad for Microsoft, like the one's you see on newspaper of how this $5000 car had 3 inch more leg room than a $50,000 car. Ultimately it is the game that matters.

Andy S. @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Does it really matter? Really? Why does Major Nelson insist on focusing on the theoretical strengths and weaknesses of two largely theoretical consoles (remember, even the playable next-gen stuff at E3 wasn't running on production hardware), when the MS PR machine has already gotten full swing into the "it's not about the graphics or hardware, it's about the *games*, maaaan" groove? If MS is really so secure in their suppositions that a) the games are what matters and b) 360 will have the games to prove it, why bother blowing the hardware-superiority trumpet?

OmegaSupreme @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

The title of the article calls into question the validity of the post in question. Joystiq is not endorsing Mr Nelson's site but rather offering it as food for though as we all ponder the relative merits of the next gen of consoles.

It is and always has been about the games though and I intend to buy both consoles so as I can play those handful of killer games that will be available on both platforms. I want to play mgs 4 AND halo 3 not choose between them.

Ryan @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

An engineer at MS posted a corrected version of the technical specs here:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/jeromeontech/Blog/cns!1p-jTa0g3LlkmfZHpjXBlqXw!298.entry

You can see that it's much more favorable towards the PS3, at least power-wise. After that, someone else who apparently knows what they're talking about posted some corrections to the corrections, which were made public into a post here:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/jeromeontech/Blog/cns!1p-jTa0g3LlkmfZHpjXBlqXw!351.entry

Most of this stuff goes right over my head.

Hebert @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

I beleive it was Sony that started with presentation and numbers comparison so let's not fault MS for responding. As far as knowing so much about the Sony hardware. It's not Sony, it's IBM. You can dig the tech data from their site. Sure nelson is biased and so is Sony, but they haven't said he is wrong. The cell was not originally designed to process for games, but maybe it is good at. The G5 chip(xbox 360) is very good at processing graphics. Macs have always been able to process better graphics than the pc while using significantly less processor power. Why do we think the world has all of a sudden changed. Macs are better graphics machines than PCs and MS was smart to move away from the PC processor. Oh, were are all these Blu-ray movies that you guys are going to buy. I haven't seen any and the industry hasn't even decided on a format (the movie industry supports HD-DVD), and agree that there won't be a change for probably 2-3yrs. Sony is taking a big gamble on your money. They believe that if they can sell enough ps3 they can force the industry to join their format. If they are wrong, you will have a machine that will not even play movies(beta max). Hope you're a big gambler. I also never played a movie on my ps2 or my xbox because I have a DVD player and when the format changes I'll get another what ever it is.

Bob @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

"The Unnamed Microsoft Employee also reported that use of the PS3 causes hair loss, spontaneous pecker shrinkage, and unsightly bulging waistlines. By comparison, testing revealed that use of the XBox 360 made the operator more attractive to women and granted the ability to hand-build a light saber."

PhatShady @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

"MS has a bad lineup"

Gears of War
Ghost Recon 3
Perfect Dark Zero
Quake 4
Call of Duty 2
Elderscrolls IV: Oblivion
Dead or Alive 4
Full Auto
Kameo

Yep. Thats horrible. Get Sony's cock out of your mouth, fanboy.

adN05 @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

LOL okey those statistics may be true but its misslabeld. yeah im sure in 1 of 100 parts of the whole console that x360 is better then ps3 but that doesnt mean that its better in total comparison. That is just first grade marketing stragedy they are doing with those stats.
And if some of you didnt know, console hardware
are a big part of gaming, more importantly now when next gen is about to come.

drGherbik @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Sonys cock tastes like yummy rainbows. How does the MS cock taste?

Gil @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Hey #22,

Other than the fighting games you mention most of those xbox games are/will be available for the PC. Won't most Xbox games just be PC ports anyways?

Hebert @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

It is about the line up. Cliffy B and the unreal engine on gears of war might just be game of the year. Go to Quake con this year and check out quake 4. The ID guy have their stuff together. Perfect dark is at least in playable form and looks solid. The best looking PS# game was killzone and it wasn't even real, lets also not forget that killzone 1 wasn't that good because the developer dosn't know how to make a great fps. The halo killer got killed. Gran turismo looked great, but it won't make launch and will probably be years before it's out. MS at least has a lineup on not just a bunch of theoretical mockups and nonexsistent blue-ray movies.

Highlander @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

ROTFLMAO!

I'd trust that comparison about as far as I can comfortably spit a dead rat! LOL.

I especially liked the total BS that passed for memory bandwidth numbers, not to mention the 'analysis' of the RSX that hasn't even been seen in silicon yet. LOL. As for the lauyghable comparison of the Senon chip vs Cell, the architectures are so different, the approach so different that doing a general purpose comparison and 'fudging' the numbers is more than a little dishonest. As is the claim that the SPE's don't have cache. If they don't have cache then what is that whopping 256KB of local memory that each SPE has? It's not cache, because it does not write through to main memory, but on the other hand it is directly addressable by the SPE it's associated with, which leaves me wondering whether the person writing the comparison is doing anything more than playing word games.

The memory bandwidth numbers are esepcially suspect. Cell's memory runs at the full processor clock rate, I'd love for someone to please explain how it is that the Xenon manages, supposedly, to get more than 10 times the memory bandwidth given that it's system memory is running at about 1/6 of the clock of the CPU. ROLFLMAO!!

Back in the old days people would evaluate and analyse the design of the processor and compare the likely performance of it, now it seems we pluck numbers from out of our a$$ and quote them as gospel, especially when we are an M$ Xboxer posting to our unofficial blog....

Neal @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

I see no problem with Joystiq asking for experienced opinions about the truth behind all this hype . These specs and their comparisons all go well over my head as well.
Sadly ,no one seems to be able to respond accordingly .I read the comments of thes post hoping to see some answers but instead saw a bunch of whining and bias. I certainly hope all the greifers DO stop reading Joystiq.Then I won't have to sift through so much trash in order to read something relevant.

Is anyone able to make sense out of these numbers?

jay @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

I think sony will destroy ms,they cant touch sony,its like putting eugene from the wwe against jones jr,i laugh in ms's face,the games are better,the system looks better,the powers cant be touched,so ill play my sony games,on my sony console on my sony t.v,hooked up on my sony sorround sound,sorry ms,your garbage
j.b.montreal canada,

sandro @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

This has to be the biggest joke of the week!!!

nod @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Again I'll ask: Joystiq used to be so good... what happened?

Secondly, who cares anything about specs anyway? And why is Joystiq fueling this juvenile console war?

So many questions...

Hebert @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

So #23 is saying that you have an xbox not a ps2? The original xbox has clearly more power than the ps2, or did the power not matter that much to you. As far as pc ports go, PC games have usually been further ahead on the gaming curve so the ability to port is not such a bad thing. Square enix was able to port FF11 in just two months, which is unheard of. They were ranting and raving about how easy it was to move it onto the xbox. You could be looking at every major PC title showing up on the 360 as well as many PC only developers, as PC revenues continue to fall. That's a good thing for the 360 and the developers not a bad thing. Let's stop tasting cock because it's actually nintendo's cock that taste like yummy rainbows.

Highlander @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

"Secondly, who cares anything about specs anyway? And why is Joystiq fueling this juvenile console war?"

Advertisers don't care if you're a buffoon, as long as they have eyes on the ads...

Take a look at the big honkin' Windows Media Center Flash Ad that pops up next to this article. Hyuck.

thies @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

#22: most of the games you list are PC ports. Which means, if I would want to play them I would do so on my PC instead of buying new hardware. That and you have the fact that PC games tend to be cheaper than their console counterparts.
I as well don't care of the FInal Fantasy XI port took them only two months to complete. That game remains being a port from last generation hardware without significant changes. If I would have wanted that game I would have bought it for PS2 or PC long ago.
Why do they hype old games?

Luke O'Byrne @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

I think it is true. All the detail listed in the report has been released to the public. Microsoft has given all of their stats, and sony has given all of theirs. If you have watched the sony press conference, you would know that sony showed some of their own graphs, which microsoft has given the same detail. The cell is a very powerful processor no doubt, but it is not suited to gaming. The sony press showed a lot of movies that they claimed were realtime. I have no doubt that they were prerendered, but I also can believe that they were rendered in realtime when they were rended. The only problem is that they were still scripted. If the same sceen was done with every character having AI, active gameplay, realtime detailed physics, you would need at least two PS3s to do it. When you get down to the architecture of the cell processor, it is suited to floating point operations. In gaming these need to be mainly in the GPU, not the CPU. The cell does not have enough general CPU power to use all of its rendering power. The processor would be far more suited for rendering movies, than game play.

Also, there have been independant reports that support what microsoft has released. When it comes down to hardware, XBOX 360's is more suited to gameing than cells, no matter how powerful.

Sean @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

How dare Joystiq link to benchmark numbers created by MS!

That's as bad as linking to Sony's "GFLOP" chart... oh wait.

Neila @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

I wonder why did the same article featuring BS stats appear AGAIN! Is someone getting paid for spreading that nonsence?

Believe me I will be more than happy to see Xbox360 step up to the level of PS3 and offer competition. This will mean better and cheaper products and better service.
However this strategy (of BS stats by Majors) will pay off up to the moment when the consumers can directly compare both products side by side, and this is why 360 has to ship ASAP. To step up to the CELL�s performance 360 will have to pack 9 dual-core of the current type it uses. Assuming that Sony did not intentionally downgrade the CELL�s abilities by software means, and say when/if 363-9-dual-core machine surfaces they unleash the 4.8GHz and turn-on the 8th SPE� Then you will need 14-dual-core Xbox to stay on top.
Where did I get those numbers from? Here:

PS3
2 instructions issued per cycle per SPE
(7+1)x2 = 16 instructions issued per cycle for all 7SPEs+PPE @3.2GHz

360
2 instructions issued per cycle per core
3? = 6 instructions issued per cycle for all 3 cores of 360 @3.2GHz
again that makes PS3 almost 3 times more powerful than 360.
(with clocked down cell and SPE turned off)

if the potential power is unleashed, we could have:
PS3 (8+1)x2@4.8GHz vs 3?@3.2 which is 86.4 vs 19.2 that makes PS3 4.5 times more powerful.
And again, I don�t judge the effort either teams had put in making those game-systems, but the bottom line. And the Major Neilson�s �review� is not about the services, nor games the companies offer, it�s about the hardware, and that is what I�m only talking about, nothing else. This is neither a �beauty� nor �effort� contest. I�m sorry to say it but it�s Xbox�s �best thing they can offer� it is just not good enough to compete on fair basis. I guess I�m just allergic to BS, and when I took a look at his page there were 4 pages full of it. :)
(and yeah, splitting the CELL's performance and comparing its different parts, once only the PPE and the second time only the SPEs with the SAME 3-cores is total BS. Maybe they should make 7 more graphs and compare how each SPE measures up to the full-3cores)

Alexis @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Id just like to point out who was ahead in the market the last time consoles were released from any company. Hello!?!?! SONY thats who. The playstation has always been superior to other consoles, it has always won. I dont even like the XBox, its a pointless machine with games that are released on other consoles anyway. I agree with Dr Gherbik - "Xbox 360 could product factory fresh butter for all I care." It was never that good a console in the first place, and seriously both machines have to be analysed by an UNBIASED person before we can speculate over which console is better. No matter how much better the XBox 360 might be, i dont care. Does anyone? I know what console im buying - PS3 Ahoy!

ArC @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Neila, you can't compare an SPE to a general purpose core, nor its instructions per cycle to a general purpose CPU's instructions per cycle.

Neila @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

ArC, of course I can't... It will make the XBox 1.5 look bad :)

The whole topic was beaten to death here:
http://playstation3.joystiq.com/entry/1234000970044143/

shame on joystiq.com for posting the same BS thing again.

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Wow, I'm an idiot. I think I can fool people into thinking that Joystiq changed one of my comments. I am niave enough to think that Joystiq gives a shit about what a moron like me posts on here. Wait, actually, sorry, I just realized that anyone can use any name they want, so maybe that first post wasn't me at all, just someone with common sense making fun of me.

Damn

Neila @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

clarity @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Ghost Recon 3
Quake 4
Call of Duty 2
Elderscrolls IV: Oblivion
Full Auto

These titles aren't exclusive to x360 or anything. The last three have been confirmed for PS3. Even Tecmo said the next DOA may not be Xbox exclusive.

But this article is just about the hardware, and there's no argument there. This is an embarrassing attempt. This guy should focus on Xbox Live or something.

Tetrachromatic @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

What a joke of a site. If you want a serious gaming blog, check out Kotaku:

http://www.kotaku.com/

Funnier, more informative and less prone to whore out like Joystiq has been lately.

spick @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Wow, of all the comments, I think Neal (#28) is the only one who gets it. What the heck...?

Tennisman @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

Fact is, and I think many miss the point, is that MS needs to defend itself from the crap Sony is spewing like calling XBox 360 XBox 1.5. Don't be a hippocrit and call MS biased by defending themselves and then go and call Sony godly for spouting crap.
BTW, it's not like he is lying when he says Sony does have a tendency to overpromise specs and promises. At least this guy is using valid arguements while defending the Xbox.

Dmitri @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

So true #44. Sony is becoming very unreliable. And that whole "PS3 isnt a console, it's an entertainment system" wtf is that! is that supposed to hit Nintendo when they said that they are about the games (atleast someone is). My 2 cents = Microsoft + Nintendo = Death of Sony. Which is why I will get a 360 at launch, and a rev at launch. And I will spit on the PS3 when I go to EBgames to buy Halo 3.

Breeze @ Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM

People this is juvenile. Why is EVERYBODY bitching about specs. Seriously it really is about the fucking games. There really should be no talk of a console war because in the end most if not all of us will at some point own both the 360 and the PS3. All I'm saying is Sony and MS rambling on and on about numbers is nothing more than wanting people to talk about their new systems.

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