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Plus Xbox 1.5 > PS3]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
This whole "bash Kutaragi" frenzy is really silly. Companies always hype their products; Microsoft is enemy number one if you're looking for someone to accuse of that (and I'm not just talking about their gaming division).

If the "gaming press" wants to be taken seriously, they really should take a step back and think intelligently about what Kutaragi is saying before accusing him of being "off his rocker."]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Also about not seening nothing wrong about his comments.? I personally dont see knocking down the competition as wrong but when someone doesnt even make sense to what he personally says things something is totally wrong with him. Or maybe we just dont know how their culture talks crap therefore we dont understand it as much.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
The title is Revenge of Kutaragi.

Oddly enough, the TeamXBOX article did not mention the PSP but it has other details that would interest you.

Guess how much money Sony's consumer electronics group lost under Kutaragi's leadership? Check it out!]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/That’s a Fact.

Because of this Nintendo were left in the cold untill the N64 came out but it was too late.

Sony only progresses through back stabbing and lying.

If things had been different Nintendo Would be the leader right now, the way it should be.
]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
The best thing he could have done was respect his competitor and work on making the PS3 a real success, not this PR bullshit.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/plz explain. and to dimitri. you trully ARE the biggest moron anyone has ever heard of. you say that the only ppl who bash kutaragi are loser fanboys. yet your a loser fanboy for bashing bill gates, when there is nothing to bash him for. he hasnt said anything. at ALL. but the difference is that if you bash kutaragi you are right to do it. cause he is an idiot. i guess you must be calling the entire company of sony loser fanboys for not letting him be president of the company. instead they demoted him. for the stupiditys he sais. and i guess you are also calling a loser fanboy the author of the article. i think the thought of kutaragi bieng your cow herder should be beaten out of you.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Without digressing anymore, just would like to understand your firm position on Microsoft?]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
wait and come to think of it we ddddddooo have exclusives.... KILLZONE... SOCOM... oh and ACE COMBAT... all games already being developed for the ps3 and not the xbox3'. sorry dude but get ur facts right next time.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Kutaragi is a crazy dude who wants to build a massively parallel system on a chip & use it to power the next generation of entertainment. He achieved it with the PS One in its time, the PS 2 fell short & with the PS3 he is swinging for the fences again. He may fail again, but share the vision & hope that he succeeds in changing the gaming world again...]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Har-Har-Har.. I think il buys those games just so i have something to laugh at when im playing on my Xbox 360.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
#15 killsone sucks. first of all and the movie you sw at e3 is fake. it was ALL cg except for I-8 and phantom saga wtv. we have ghost recon, AND socom. and wow ace combat. so so far you have 3 titles? while we have what, 40? read up.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
1) sony developed a cd-rom add on for the SNES. However, Nintendo changed its mind so sony decided to build its own system instead. No robbing here

2) The technical marvels by sony simply can not be compared to MS atleast in terms of harwdware. The ps2 emotion engine was a thoroughly researched and original products. MS simply took a intel processor and nvidia card. there was no research involved. similarly the cell is multi million dollar invention.

3) the cost of the ps3 should not be compared to the xbox because you simply get much more. yeah the hdd may be missing but we have built in wireless, more usb ports, built in giga net with outputs, dual video output(which can output to regular monitors as well), support for seven controllers and more through usb, even a blue ray disc drive. Even if the graphics performance of the systems is same, which is not atleast on paper as the ps3 seems to have more power, the ps3 is still a much better deal.

4) MS has only two cards and it has played them remarkibly well. Halo and Live. Everybody knows that ps2 has millions more online players than live ( just a few months back SOCOM II had more online players than the entire Live community). So dont undermine the ps online features. secondly live is not even free on weekdays. so the most touted feature of the xbox is not available on weekdays. yaay. any one in their sane mind should not buy an xbox 360 just for halo. #18 please tell me what FORTY exlucise titles does the xbox 360 have ? infact i just read that some studio decalred they are only going to develop for ps3. Factor-5 studios i think.

4) recently kutragi's comments have been outrageous, but you cant really hold it against him till you see what the ps3 can do. if Mercury and other companies have decided to use the cell processor for military and medical applications (some of the highest demanding apps) then there probably something worth while in it. about the whole linux and hdd thing: in one of the technical presentation a sony rep showed how the artchitecture of the ps3 can support multiple os. so lets see what happens.

5) despite everything, not much can be said about bill gates because he did become the richest man in the world for some reason. however, the xbox dept has showed brilliant marketing but poor innovations.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
and GHAZZI you say things like no hdd as if it doesnt matter. how are you suppose to do all the wonderous things that ghey described with their online without an hdd as standard.
also 7 controllers? that just proves that they are desperate. and thet they have noway of comperting against microsofts LIVE. whos going to go buy 7 controllers? let alone have 7 ppl in their house to play.

yes MS simply took parts off the shelves for their first console and STILL managed to outperform millions of dollars worth of research. no the cell is a multi BILLION dollar project and still doesnt manage to outperform a tripple core cpu.

and sure the xbox 1 was poor innovation but they stated themselves that they were just testing the waters. last gen. so we will have to see what happens. ecause if you read up on the new things the 360 offers such as always connected is innovative. i mean the controller on the 360 practically does more things then the ps3. it opens up everything in the 360.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Sony were not going to develop a CD-rom for the Snes, i don't know where you got that from.

"The ps2 emotion engine was a thoroughly researched and original products"

The Emotion Engine was a scam, what did it do? It was hype thats what it was. Sony strike again.


SOCOM II does not have more users, it actualy has less and you will also find that most of the users recorded for SOCOM II have less that 24 hours play time.


Ghazi Everything you say seems to be based purly on your own opinion, the cell is nothing special really. Its being used for military purposes because it's suited for that, it't been proven that cell is not best suited for games.

The Xbox was just a stepping stone for Microsoft to get into the games industry.



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her you go my fellow fans. some uber insight. its a little long. but if you would like to take the time to read it. im sure you will be pleased.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xbox360_inside.asp there are 2 parts.


]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
7 controllers is the limit of wireless connectivity, apparently you can connect the old PS controllers via USB. I think that it's breaking the mold and innovative whereas people thought the N64's 4 controllers was too cramping, but now it is the standard.

Apparently Xbox Live is really great, but if what Ghazi said is true, Live doesn't have as many users as PS Online, therefore meaning that XBL is competing with PS Online. Technically, the XBox has always seemed like a powerful PC with a video gaming OS. If PS hasn't been innovative with all the years of research for the next entertainment console, I don't know who has.

And the 360 always connected moniker was also used at the PS E3 press conference.

I cannot discount someone's creation based on the single character it's founder when so many were involved in the development of such a system. Kuturagi may be a tad arrogant, but he is proud of his creation and achievement, and one of many that represent the PS3's creation. I don't discount the system until i feel the controller, play their best game(s), and use the systems features. I like the Xbox graphic superiority, hdd, and custom soundtrack feature on many of the games. I haven't bought an extra remote for XB so i cannot watch dvd's (which sucks horribly). I played both Halo's and I might not be a first person kind of guy (even though I loved GoldenEye and Agent Under Fire), but i didn't really like it that much, which is arguably the reason for buying an XBox. I, in comparison, like the GTA series and MGS series on the PS. I do like GTA 3 and Vice City on the XBox better due to it's custom soundtrack feature, but came first to PS and gotta admit that it sucks to play through the same story with better graphics just because of the better graphics.

In all actuality, nothing can be drawn about the next gen except speculation based on past experience. If past experience serves the future, the Xbox will dominate as the PS1 did over established VG companies like Nintedo and Sega. However, the XB came in a distant second this last console cycle despite superior graphics and online capabilities, so that would mean that the PS3 would win. The PS2 came out after the DreamCast and put it to rest. What this means is that the past is not full proof, one cannot predict the course the next gen of games will take, only speculate, and as I just described, speculations contradict themselves based on past experiences anyways. So as an idea to all that are as anxious as me, Let's wait and see what happens.

The worst that could happen is that one system dominates this console war, dictator style, and all innovation die. I don't want that, so I will support all 3 systems unless one absolutely sucks beyond belief (like N-Gage or Virtua Boy suck).

P.S., Nintendo apparently had their fair share of bashing with their "Think Outside The Box" and "Don't hop on the bandwagon to the Station yet..." advertising. Along with the XBox French Laundromat Advertisement bash session. So let's leave the childish banter amongst these companies, shall we?]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/-- Jeff Henshaw

And Kuturagi is the ony one slugging shots?]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
There must be some reasons, why Sony wanted Apple to use the Cell but His Steveness refused to do so, because the Cell seemed in his eyes to be quite a crappy kind of chip. Perhaps it is good for a gaming machine (it still has to prove though) but you cannot use it for a multitasking Mac, and it will be an even bigger problem to get a Cell into a portable machine like a PowerBook. You cannot use it in Sony's Vaios, they depend on Windows (wh? won't run on a Cell), or do you think Sony will preinstall Linuc on its computers?

Nobody really knows anything about the Cell's real-world performance and with Sony's promises concerning other hardware in mind I don't think it will be that great... (I don't like the 360 either nor the Revolution...)
]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Research young people, so you can impress your friends with your knowledge of game history. there has been gaming since before you were born:

http://www.game-machines.com/consoles/snes.php

I just hope Nintendo can bring some new things into gaming because the systems aren't even released and I'm pretty dissapointed already. I guess we'll start getting great games right before they announce Ps4 and Xbox3 and it will start all over again.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
what I meant from computers using the cell processor is for speeding media-centric work, like an Avid workstation and farm renders. Did Sony asked Steve Jobs to use it? I remember reading him talking about it, but not that... do you know were i can find that information??]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/And Ken has become the new Yamauchi. An arrogant blowhard. That's what happens when you get to the top of the heap I guess.
I think the design of the PS3 is advanced but whether it can meet expectations is another matter. For PSP, they met the expectation of playstation 2 graphics on the go but they compromised on things like disc transfers since that would tax the battery.
One thing I can say though is that Sony produces atrocious quality consoles. Defects up the wazoo. I don't see Sony losing in this gen, but I do see Microsoft closing the gap bigtime.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/It may be pre-rendered, but if you believe that the next-gen systems won't be able to put out graphics of that quality you're in for an amazingly pleasant surprise. If you'd try playing Half-Life 2 or Doom 3 on a decent PC I think you'd agree with me. The next generation of graphics are going to blow everyone away.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
I found some much better German articles about it and they refer to a New York Times article (you need to pay for it), but I found this one in English

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3141419

So Jobs searched for a new chip, of course also looked for the Cell, Kutaragi wanted to convince him and also offered more Sony technology. Sounds a bit strange, that Sony wants to license the Cell at these costs to Apple. There are some possibilities, why Sony would want Apple to use it (scale, further deveolpment, image...) but it just doesn't seem to be a good computer processor, just as you said, no multithreading...]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
/nuff said]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/The message often focuses on DVD drives and how bad they are.

Microsoft must be practicing Tsun Zu's teachings: Use your own weaknesses against your enemy.
Stats published by retailers show the Xbox had more problems with its DVD drive than the PS2.

In fact, my Xbox reached a point where it cannot read dual-layer DVD media.
So, there are many games I cannot play right now.
]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/So, there are many games I cannot play right now."

the xbox has dual layer games? I haven't come by any of them, which ones?

I'm asking because I was going to suggest softmod, just to play your games from your hard drive and I don't think they would fit.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
lol.. WE.. are you a part of microsoft or just a fanboy ? Yeah I thought so... just a fanboy.

ps. i'll be getting a xbox360 so bleh.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
As the 40 games @ launch, that's only because the xbox360 comes out later this year. Sony still has over half a year to go. You really think Sony won't increase the game count? Be serious.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Most of you fuckers probably shop at Wal-mart, watch NASCAR, and wear WWE t-shirts. You go to church on Sunday and then, afterwards, grab a case of Budweiser and its off to watch the races. Trailer-trash son-of-a-bitches. Please, for the sake of the holiness of this earth, kill yourselves so you don't drive me insane.

Man did that feel good to get that off my chest.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Most of you fuckers probably shop at Wal-mart, watch NASCAR, and wear WWE t-shirts. You go to church on Sunday and then, afterwards, grab a case of Budweiser and its off to watch the races. Trailer-trash son-of-a-bitches. Please, for the sake of the holiness of this earth,
kill yourselves so you don't drive me insane.



BlueBlood, arrogant, snotnosed brat born with a silver spoon in your ass.

Nice to be branded and lumped together just by using comments as a springboard.

Say something usefull.
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Amen, brother.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
"MY machine will PWN!!"
"No, MY machine will!! YOURS will SUXXORZ!!"

Apparently, the majority of people do get it, which gives me hope. THEY know that its the games that matter, and that most people will get whichever they want most.

Halo and the other awesome titles will make my Xbox worthwhile, and God of War and the other (admittedly not as amny) titles will make my Playstation worthwhile.

And I will be happy, while I guess the rest of the people that post comments will continue arguing who has the biggest...err, clock speed.]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
#23 Danny Boy: Sony was developing a CD-rom based system for Nintendo. Nintendo at the last minute had cold feet and said no and released N64. Sony then decided to use what they had created, sign a bunch of gaming developers up and thus the birth of PlayStation. The rest...is video game history.
]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PMhttp://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/07/the-kraziness-of-ken-kutaragi/
Personally my first console was the PS2 very few games later i put it away in my closet and got an xbox collected upward of a few hundred games which some sucked and some were great, but just now retired my ps2 and got the gamecube just for zelda.

as far as this war ps3 vs 360 it's getting annoying. both are going to be powerful systems according to technical specifications they gonna be fairly equal. Yet both will have their strong points and their weak points.

I'm tired of hearing all this BS of dual screen outputs and 7 controllers and a bunch of extra ones on USB...i have all current gen consoles (not counting portable) and personally there are very very very very few games that are multiplayer and are actually good (i hate sports games and racing gets old quick) in a sence there's no need for that many controllers. can you imagine the split screen 7 ways on a 30" or less tv? same with the dual video output on the PS3...how many of you have 2 HDTVs standing next to each other? i got 1 60" HDTV but to fit 2? more less in the same room? god damn!

anyways only time will tell but my fav system this gen is the xbox...and i hope they will keep it up :)]]>Dec 18th 2005 9:59PM