PS3 is gonna cost ya!

$400 seems like a lot for [entertainment hub] stuff I have little to no interest in. I have a DVD player. It works very well on my standard, not HD, TV. I suspect in a few years I'll get an HD TV, but do I personally want to see every polygon pock mark on a game character's face? Nope.

Sure the PSP is $250. One of the reasons I got a DS instead. Do I really need to watch mini movies on the mini screen? Nope. MP3 player? Hmmnnnno. These machines cost more because they're supposed to do more. They don't ask or give you a choice.

What are you really paying for though? While it's very ambitious to have a machine that does it all, I'd really really like to see more machines more dedicated to just gaming. I may be in the minority here, but I really don't need all those bells and whistles.

Arch-360 Is right, The PS2 was out more then a year before the Xbox so it's the only system people were going to buy.

There’s also the Fact that a hell of a lot of systems did break down and were replaces, not only that a lot of people bought the "Slim line" PS2 even though they already had the original PS2, so there could be a lot of people with both.

Then you have to actually consider that not 90 million people have bought the PS2, they SHIPPED 90 million. (I think they said somewhere 70-something million were actually sold) There are probably millions of old PS2 and new slim line PS2's just laying around not being bought.

The Xbox 360 doesn't have as long as the PS2 did to be the Only real next gen console so don't expect as much.

Those are the Facts.

I'm not saying this because I Don't like Sony and i think they are lying Skum, i'm saying this so you people can know the Facts.

Wow Arch do you really believe the shit you type??? That is a classic post in ignorance you have there Arch...Thank you for that Jewel.

Absolutely pathetic, even your band of brothers got to be shaking their head in disbelief after reading that crap.

YOu people just dont get it, this whole thing is just a way to get you to buy the PS3, Ken K. will tell us that the PS3 will cost us lots of money, but then when it comes to the release, at a moderate price WE WILL ALL be astonished and go and buy one for the ammazing price.

@53.. Sony is already going to loose a lot of Money on each PS3 sold ($95?) so if they were to have it at the same price as the Xbox 360 they would loose $195 on each PS3 sold..

Think about it, Things are already looking very bad for Sony, they can't afford to loose too much money, M$ can because they are the 2nd richest company in the world.

Hey Danny next time you wanna claim something is fact, post a link otherwise you can shove your facts up your ass...You two sound just like those sega fans before [RIP] sega's death. You cant spin the numbers retard Sony owns 70% of the console market...Wonder what your excuse will be in 07 when PS3 over takes 360?

And its lose not loose. You dont know what they are going to lose because you have no idea what PS3 launch price will be. If 360 has slow sale numbers expect sony to be priced higher. If 360 flys off the shelves then expect sony to match 360 in price...

chill. It's general knowledge, you obviously don't know much about anything.

You are very ignorant and very, very wrong. Theres no way Sony can match the 360 price because they cant afford it, they would go bust.

Chill you seem to make such a Big deal about a lot of peoples posts being "Wrong" when every single one of your posts is Full of crap.. get a life.

lol chill yes i do believe the crap that comes out of my mouth. because with all the interviews i have read i come to realize that its true. on the other hand your the ignorant one who knows nothing. and just yells at people for something you dont even have the slightest clue about.
and band of brothers? you have no band. your band is sucking on KK dick all day long hoping to get some new info out of it so you can go on forums and OWN everybody. man get a life.
evrything i said was correct. and that just proves my point even more when you answer back without telling me whats NOT correct.

Hey dickhead I'll make it easy for you Arch everything you said is incorrect...Id be typing all day long if I wanted to correct your bullshit!
BoB you're just as retarded as Danny and Arch you guys like to circle jerk each other...

As far as insults go!
1. Arch You've got an IQ of 2............... Pitty it takes 3 to grunt.
2. BoB Tell us -- were you born such a retarded shithead, or were you originally a slug who managed to rise to such prominence?
3. Danny-boy [Is that your gay porn name?]

Danny Boy come launch day when Sony's price matches 360, Ill be sure to remind you threetards [arch,BoB and yourself] what you said....

Why don't you Chill, Chill. Loser.

Keep it coming Chill, i could use a good laugh.

Oopps Hit a sore spot huh Danny-boy?

Damn at least BoB has a sence of humor.
Here's one for ya BoB....Danny's so intelligent, when a beggar asked him, "Do you have a quarter for a sandwhich?" he said "Let's see the sandwhich!

By that i meant everything you say is a joke... Your not funny when your trying to be funny... Good try anyway.

I know what you meant retard, that was called sarcasm!

'Chill' your such a low-life trying to defend Sony and insulting people in this article who try voicing their opinion. Your jokes/insults are pathetic so PLEASE stop writing anymore comments unless your going to stay on topic!!!!

BTW...all systems are looking good, im going to buy an Xbox when it comes out because I know how the games are going to look and how its going to play. For PS3 its shaping out to be one big mess of a console not knowing wtf they want to do with it.

DMZ Had you, perchance, been the owner of a viable braincell, you might have aspired to something other than felching the bottom of the food chain.

Dont comment to me with shit, and think you wont get it back...And quit trying to be post monitor, you dipwad! If I wanna point out the lies and return insults coming from the Xbox/Nintendo whores...I will.

Hows that for staying on topic?
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HA...theres no point in arguing with you, or with anyone about consoles because its so stupid, who cares what other people buy as long as your satisfied with the thing you got. And if your at the point where your convinced that your console is the best, then i guess it is our 'lose' that we're not as 'smart' as you to buy the same console.

i would have no problem paying $400 for a PS3.

break it down:

2 cell processor chips
2 top-of-the-line nVidia video cards (about $500 dollars each)
blu-ray dvd player

not to mention that it blows the compeition out of the water in raw power.

$400 is great.

I paid $400 for a Sega Saturn at launch.


Just thought I'd put that in perspective.

Thing is, $400 on a saturn in the past was ridiculous. Gaming is VERY main stream now, they are hitting a lot more consumers than in the days of Saturn. Let's face it, it's 'cool' to be a gamer now-a-days. Look at the X360 launch on MTv, or the Xbox LIVE launch on G4. They bring in a lot of celebs to glame it up. Or even the circle of LIVE celebs, the council or whatever that has like Incubus and Hillary Duff or whoever on it. I know a lot of people in my area(Detroit) picked up an Xbox simply out of hype, to be the shit with the 'box. They'd pick up one or two games(like Madden every year it came out... Maybe an NBA game). Honestly though, they're not gamers. They'll play it when people are over, and they'll brag about their system/skills. Hell, even the PSP has a huge following of people that have bought it simply because it's cool/people envy you for having one. People love to hear the "oo, you have one? I can't believe you spent $250 on a handheld...". It makes them feel like they have something that others do not.

Anyways, other big facts here that no one is thinking about.
1)The PS3 isn't even finalized yet. Comparing data is pointless.
2)The X360 doesn't have a launch price yet(and which I thought I heard they were doing a model without a HDD to open the window of buyers)
3)The PS3 doesn't have a launch price.

So throw around all the speculation you want, but claiming a fact of MS is launching their system $100 cheaper is nothing but hogwash at the moment. So claiming that Sony would have to take $195 loss to catch up is pure imagination. I mean, it's okay to be a fanboy of either system, just feel free to stop making asses of yourself. No system is more powerful yet, no system is $400 yet. None of them exist yet, in a manner of speaking.

Another funny thing, everyone talking about having to purchase Blu-Ray discs of DVD's they already have... Why would you have to do that? Blu-Ray players can read DVDs already. Unless you're a purist and have to own 100% of a single format, there's no need. People had to purchase DVDs of stuff they already owned because VHS's do this silly thing of not fitting into a DVD-drive, let alone have the comprehension of reading magnetic tape. That's like being angry your CD player couldn't read floppy disks or something.

Anywho, feek free to chilax. You got some time to save up and buy whatever you want. You know what? No Nazis will stop you from purchasing the system you want. You also won't be able to convert others to purchase the system you're planning on purchasing. Stop trying.

"2 cell processor chips
2 top-of-the-line nVidia video cards (about $500 dollars each)
blu-ray dvd player"

Pardon?

"not to mention that it blows the compeition out of the water in raw power."

The only thing PS3 does better is Floating point calculations... Hardly "Raw Power"

id juts like to tell everyone who thinks ps2's break down easily.... ive had my ps2 scince launch day. ive dropped it a few times, painted and banged it up. and actually dropped it to try and see if it would break so i would have a reason to get a new ps2. but gues what?!? it runs better then ever. you can come over here and jump on it for all i care. it just wont break.

Yeah Im still on my $299 original PS2 too. But I did have to replace my Xbox power supply because of a recall...But no biggie its still running strong also...

I had a problem with my Xbox, mainly for the reason that I bought the cheapest modchip around. Whoops. A new DVD drive fixed it though, but you pay through the nose for those, the 80gig hard-drive I put in it cost less. Can your ps2 store every series of futurama on it as well as every game you play - plus a few movies with space to spare? I think not. Oh wait neither can the ps3, as it comes with NO HARD DRIVE - AGAIN. Way to fall behind sony - or is it just a way of recouping your losses on the machine you spent too much money developing by selling extra hard drives. Methinks yes. I'll be buying an x360, purely because the Xbox was better this time round. Lets just hope it follows suit eh? lol

Danny, you know that they made a harddrive for ps2 right? and that you can go out and buy a harddrive from a computer and put it in your ps2? and that the new ps2's have them right? oh my bad you were just being a jerk off and trying to bash people while you were uninformed.

LOL Danny. You're giving shit to Sony for not making a pirate box for you? That's rediculous. Everything you did to your box was illegal, can't believe you're holding MS in favor because you can scam shit easier on their box.


By the way, they're SEASONS of Futurama, the Series it called Futurama. There is only one of them.

i'm gonna try to stay out of this bashing group. i had a few laughs and am hoping to see a few more. but my question was - since the ps3 does not come with a hard drive, what will you be able to do with the blu-ray player? will it be possible that it will replace dvd players in the next coming years? will it have a tivo-like quality where you can record shows and put them on a disc or on the ps3? i am really curious to know, because i love keeping up on technology, and am not a fan of the hd-dvd from microsoft because of it's lack of storage compared with ps3. anyone know anything about this?

i'm gonna try to stay out of this bashing group. i had a few laughs and am hoping to see a few more. but my question was - since the ps3 does not come with a hard drive, what will you be able to do with the blu-ray player? will it be possible that it will replace dvd players in the next coming years? will it have a tivo-like quality where you can record shows and put them on a disc or on the ps3? i am really curious to know, because i love keeping up on technology, and am not a fan of the hd-dvd from microsoft because of it's lack of storage compared with ps3. anyone know anything about this?

the blue-ray drive is tp play games on. they hold more space. more space= more room for better graphics

kindly, STFU. Do you people have any idea what your talking about?

$400 is hardly alot of money considering the PS3's computing power, not just floating point but graphics, more power than 2 6800 Ultra's in SLi costing farr more than $400, stop whinging. Do not compare the cell processor to a processor like the AMD64 or P4, they are entirely different architectures for entirely different purposes. As much as Sony would love to market the PS3 as a REAL computer system, it isn't, it plays games, and it plays them really really well but don't expect to run Word Processing apps etc. If you're really desperate the PS3 supports 2.5" HDD and Sony will be releasing Linux shortly after the PS3's release. Sony originally intended supporting HD-DVD but Toshiba and Sony failed to come to an agreement and that idea when up shit creak, you'll be able to pickup your HD-DVD player in walmart for <$100 soon enough anyway.

Bottom line is: you get what you pay for. $400 is the same price as a highend DVD player :| and alot cheaper than buying a computer.

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I have never seen such a summarization like that before. Jesus, hell even whatever god you people believe in couldn't have said it better. I bow to you.

300 350 YEAH FREAKIN RIGHT!!! maybe the third year its out. i still think it'll cost 450 500

My god chill, you must be one sad, pathetic person. Is this all you do with our life? Go onto video game sites and argue with people about how much better Sony is than Microsoft? I'm not going to argue with you about that, because I know what you strive for. Everytime you spew more bullshit out of your mouth, you're just waiting for someone to argue with it. Thats what you live for, starting arguements with people online so you can think up as many ways as you can to tell them they have a low IQ or are stupid or immature. Thats all I've seen out of you so far, you give us some bullshit numbers or links or whatever to prove to us how much better one system is than the other, sometimes you give us your opinion and treat it as fact (which of course, only makes you a bigger jackass), and wait for someone to argue with you.

Oh wait, after going back to check, you start the arguements. You single people out and try to prove to them Sony is so much better and then call them stupid in one of your many ways to.

Do you think anybody at all gives a shit whatever the fuck it is you feel the need to say? I know I speak for everyone else when I say nobody wants to read what your pathetic little self has to say. You bring this site down. If you didn't post here, joystiq would be a better place. But we have to deal with such pathetic examples of humanity as yourself. Nobody in this world, and I'll go on record saying this, wants you alive, but they aren't going to waste the time or energy to kill you.


The reason I'm typing this isnt to defend some company or prove you wrong with numbers of how fast some console is, I'm typing this because you are a shame to humanity. You bring this world down, people would be happier if you didn't attempt to interact with them. You need to shut up, it will make everybody who has ever had the awful experience of interacting with you so much happier. Nobody wants to hear what bullshit you feel the need to spew out. Nobody. You do no good to anything, you'd be better of just shooting yourself. No, I'm not just saying this to insult you and start an arguement, I'm saying it because its true.


Dont bother trying to say I have a low IQ or that my brain is abnormally small or nonfunctioning or I'm a retard or my head is actually my ass. Its these immature, pathetic attempts at insulting people that make you such a horrible example of humanity. I'm not going to reply to you unless you actually have anything mature and worthwhile to say. But most likely you don't, you'll probably immaturely call me something that has to do with homosexuals or retards or something. I'm begging you, please, do this world a favor and just end your life, you will be doing something very beneficial overall.

"You do no good to anything, you'd be better of just shooting yourself. No, I'm not just saying this to insult you and start an arguement, I'm saying it because its true."

Don't you think that's a bit hypocritical? It's your opinion that he should shoot himself, not a fact.

However, by definition, chill is a jackass. According to Merriam-Webster, a jackass is a fool, which is defined as "a person lacking in judgment or prudence." chill fails "to form an opinion ... through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises" (judge).

Defitition is fact. You, chill, are a jackass. Q.E.D.

Abhorsen, well, well said. I understand that you're a Nintendo fan and that it did seem a BIT biast, but you most definitely shared viewpoints with the other consoles. I'm a Nintendo fan, (not a fanBOY, just an aficionado), and because of this, I'll probably get freaked out on right off the bat, but I'm just trying to be honest here.

Last generation, I said to myself "Oh God, even though I'm gonna buy the GameCube for its games, I know it's going to place third." It was obvious -- Nintendo made some mistakes! Sure the graphics and loading times were up there, but they lacked the idea of DVD capabilites (which is fine, they had their own personal reasons) and lacked online play. I understand why they did this and again, I usually support Nintendo, but I believe it's clear that this is why the Nintendo placed third. It lacked what other consoles (which had equal graphics) had.

Well this generation it's a different story.

Yes, I know, some people are pissed that the Revolution isn't featuring HD capabilites, and that's fine. You're allowed to be pissed. But I think you'll all see that in the end, having HD capabilites isn't going to make much of a difference in actual gameplay (which, if I'm not mistaken, is what a video game console is bought for - games). Sure, it makes the screen more clear and more realistic, but to be honest, I don't really care. Yes, I like realistic visuals but that's not what I'd buy a video game console that's priced over $500 for. If I really, really wanted high definition visuals, first I would need to buy a HDTV (imagine that) which are extremely expensive right now - and onTOP of that I would have to buy a PS3 for $400+. I know some people already have HDTVs and are willing to buy a PS3, and that's great, good for you. If I had the money, I would buy a Revolution first but eventually buy a PS3 -- there's no denying it sounds like a pretty cool ... media center with some good games. There are games for PS2 (like Kingdom Hearts, and some others) that I absolutely love and it's a shame they aren't available for GameCube. But next generation, the Revolution will be offering games that no other console will be ABLE to offer.

Why?

Because the Revolution is going in a different direction, unlike the Gamecube which tried to compete with the PS2 and Xbox with features that were inferior to the PS2 and the Xbox, again, lacking online play and DVD capabilites.

Please, Nintendo fans, don't get me wrong, I loved the GameCube, and I still play the crap out of mine. You can't get Donkey Kong Jungle Beat anywhere else - You can't get Mario games anywhere else - I don't give a shit if people are going to call them kiddy, SO BE IT! I'm 15, feel free! Call me a kid! I know I'm not one, but feel free, if it's seriously going to make you feel better about yourself, FEEL FREE to call me kiddy. But I'm always going to buy the Nintendo franchise consoles and games because those are the ones that entertain me! And you can't get them ANYWHERE else, unlike on Xbox and PS2 where you have the choice of getting it on PS2 or Xbox with practically every game.

Now, obviously, since I'm backing Nintendo, some psycho is bound to freak out on me and correct me in every way possible.

But get this, I could care less! I'm not going to get extremely hostile like some of you psycho people do (yes, psychos from all three fanbases) because it's not worth it! I mean I love bickering with other fans from different consoles but I'm not gonna send them death threats with the word F*** being every other word. What the hell does that do? Nothing.

Anyway, I predicted the GameCube would place third due to Nintendo's lack of its usual innovation that drives it away from the other consoles. I've already showed the reasons as to why the GC placed third.

Now, I predict the PS3 will end up in last place. And people, don't freak out on me, I love reading why YOU think the PS3 will end up first, and it very well could! But I can tell you right now I'm not going to buy it, so whether it places first, second, or third, woopy frickin doo, I don't care, I'm still not buying it! It's going to be no different than its precessor, the PS2 - Okay, that sounded stupid, but I'm talking about gameplay. The graphics will be amazing and I will gasp when I see them on a HDTV but the gameplay isn't going to change much at all. And that's key -- All you EA fans, you can't tell me you're not sick of the SAME sports games every year that have MINORLY updated graphics and VERY little changes in gameplay.

*sigh* Everyone will laugh the PS3's graphics, but they're going WAY too far. Blu-Ray discs? God, I realize some people konw all about the feature and are all for it, but don't forget you're not the only fans. Little kids and even adults want to play video games too, you know, and they've got no freaking CLUE what the hell a Blu-Ray drive is. Do they care? No. Is a next generation PERFECTLY capable of playing great new games in great new ways with STILL great new updated graphics and loading times, YES! WE DON'T NEED A BLU-RAY DRIVE AND HD CAPABILITES IN ORDER TO HAVE A GOOD TIME PLAYING SOME VIDEO GAMES. Sure it would be nice, but it's not necessary, obviously, as you can see with this generation of consoles.

What we need is a Revolution -- something that enables us to play games in a NEW way! Aren't you sick of the same football game every year? Why not play a football game where you can "throw" and "catch" the football? I'm telling you now, that's one of the things the Revolution is going to allow you do to. I guarantee it.

I'm sorry people but here's how I think it's going to be:

First place: XBOX360
Second place: Revolution
Third place: PS3

If I'm wrong, so be it, again, I could care less. I'm buying a revolution.

I want new fun games, not the same games with a Blu-Ray drive and High Definition.

Sorry PS3, but you're just spending money on things you think people are going to be like "OMFG!" about -- but really, no one can understand what the hell your talking about.

At least I and millions more of the video game loving fans don't. It's just too complicated.

I JUST WANT TO PLAY A VIDEO GAME. NOT SPEND 500 DOLLARS ON A CONSOLE THAT HAS FEATURES I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT!

A few things that worry me about the revolution, since we're on this topic, are:

Nintendo will once again fail to create a market for third party games. Everybody knows people buy a gamecube for Nintendo games, and people who want the third party games buy a PS2. The most popular third party games are usually FPS, racers, sports, and RPG's. If Nintendo wants to make a market for third party games, they need to create some new franchises. Making good games is synonymous with Nintendo, and if they had the desire and ambition to, they could create the must own FPS or create a gran turismo clone (like forza motorsport and PGR) so that people who want these games will have to buy a Revolution, and then will want more games like these ones, which is where the third parties come in. Now that Iwata is the pres, there's a chance that this might happen, but judging by their past, Nintendo will cater only to Nintendo fans once again, instead of being the "and" company they claim to be.

The low price tag will be a blessing and a curse. With such a significantly lower price (assuming they'll launch it 150-200$), a lot of uninformed people, the casual audience, might think the price is so low because the revolution is either a piece of shit or a toy. Nintendo needs to market and advertise this thing, unlike what they did for the gamecube. By having the system look so sleek, we're getting early signs that Nintendo, under Iwata's leadership, will advertise this thing to show its a more than competent gaming system without all the added pizzaz.

Thats pretty much it. When I think about it, my worries are mostly that the Revolution will be a true successor to the gamecube. The two things I discussed are two things they did wrong with the cube that I'm hoping they learn from their mistakes on.

Another worry but something everybody already realizes, after a few years, HD will become so popular that, like online play, it will alienate the revolution. When most people have HD TVs, why would they buy a multi-console game on the revolution when they can get an enhanced version for the PS3 or 360? Everybody realizes this though and it shows Nintendo still doesnt learn from their mistakes. Maybe making a game in HD will cost so much that the 360 and ps3 versions will cost 60$ while revo version costs 50$, but probably not.

i have one game that will shut all you nintendo revolution loving , x box 360 jizzing people up!

FINAL FANTASY VII revamped on ps3. when this comes out the whole gaming market will explode for this one game.

psporno= PSP porno, sick man, sick. Don't have to worry about spyware though huh? First off final fantasy is perhaps the emost overrated game series of all time( exept halo). And roman numerals are for sissies. So quit pretending that final fantsy is the best RPG series ever and go look at some uncensored goodness. And this Nintendo Revolution loving jizzling person is still chatting away.

I really can't wait to see what Sony is going to do with this machine to get people to spend so much money on it.

I honestly hope they don't think a new Metal Gear Solid,Gran Turismo,and GTA game is worth how much that system is going to cost.This thing better brew me beer and cook my dinner for the pricetag on it.

Listen, sony always hypes their machines as the best in the universe, then they don't deliver. I mean look at the ps2 and how you can see millions of pixels around the characters and how the games slow down when it gets intense. So what the ps3 can do a trillion cac a sec, the only thing you can use that power for is games, and if the games are not made to support that power, it really doesn't matter. I really think the 360 with it's billions and billions of dollars of support will be better. And revolution, well who doesn't want to play EVERY nintendo game EVER made.

who'supforsmoothies why dont you go home and jerk off to your mom some more your jiz lover. final fantasy IS the best rpg ever made and everyone knows it, you can just go and suck on shigeru miyamoto's nintendogs.halo sucks ass compared to final fantasy,go home you loser

You are all idiots. Plain and simple. Some of you support MS, some support Sony. This should have been obvious back when some of you decided to get a box, and others a ps2. Stop with the fucking bullshit and complaining. Noone cares, and if you do, then you need to go find a real fucking life. People are going to play what they want to play, its not more complicated than that.


As for you people bitching about FF, ITS AN OPINION JACKASSES!!! If you think its the greatest, good for you, i'll probably agree. If you think every single FF game is a piece of shit, good for you, i wont agree, but you're entitled to your opinion. The great thing about it is that if you dont like it, DONT FUCKING PLAY IT. And if you're not going to play it, DONT FUCKING BITCH

Thank You all... dumbasses

With the "full" version of the XBox 360 slated to hit the market at $399, and the inevitable price drops, and probable bundling of actual games, of current generation consoles, the big winner of the Holiday 2005 season may indeed be Sony. They can push more of their "shiny, new, Atkins friendly, insert exciting adjective here" slimline PS2s into the hands of casual gamers, while getting valuable time to set pricing strategy whilst making final tweaks and improvements to their new system. It may help them, it may not. Only time will tell.

We may also see a situation with little or no change to the current status quo. With a 25% increase in the cost of systems this generation, we may see a backlash from parents and casual adult gamers, where they just keep their current systems, or for those who don't have them, buy the current generation of consoles, which, while still very capable of providing hours of video entertainment, will be available at bargain basement prices.

Please note that I am not saying that these scenarios will necessarily play out. I just wanted to throw out a little bit of food for thought. I'm not much of a gamer, but I do find the gaming market to be fascinating, and am watching, with great interest, the coming "console wars."

I have been playing games since before the atari 2600. I have had 2 different atari models, intellivison, colecovision, nes, sega, super nes, genesis, ps, n64, and xbox plus a slew of pc games over the years. They all delivered quality enertainment. Numbers mean nothing. The game of my personal liking on my screen (what ever that is) and the controls in my hand is to me entertainment.

On the question of next generation console gaming: most people are going to wait and see. This benefits SONY. I am an XBOX fan but I can not justify running out and buying an XBOX360 when my current system is full of life and has 200+ games scheduled for release between now and fall of 2006. Most of my friends feel the the same and with all of us and all of our kids I would consider us the MODERATE gamer crowd. Like I said I love my XBOX but I think MS is hitting a market prematurely this time around and I think SONY knows it. It is in this regard that I believe SONY has it together, they understand market trends and business cycles. Look at the history of their company delivering innovative consumer electronics. MS fist peice of hardware was the XBOX which they did an amazing job with but in that current market cycle they were late. They have a lot to learn about releasing products that compete with others products...remember their bread and butter in thi world is based on a virtual monopoly of the home and business OS market so competition is something new to them. Thay can't just go out and buy SONY. So while I believe the XBOX360 will be a wonderful machine I don't feel that their fanbase is willing to cash out on their beloved black boxes and halo2 when thay still have so much life in them.

Both machines will be great. Eventually I will buy a 360 (when HALO 3) releases but the extra time that people are going to be holding out will mean that the rush to market strategy will end up creating a balance "at best" between MS and SONY's systems. Add the Nintendo fanbase and SONY still looks like it will be the market leader. Does this mean either system will be more entertaining. NO it is all personal preference. Great game designers make great games...hardware is just the canvass. Thanks for listening.

-Ancient Gamer

Sony hasn't innovated anything since the 80's. its all old-tech now, or following other people (Nintendo's controllers, iPod's looks).

no thanks.

i dont see how people can like the PS3 but not the 360, and vice versa. essentially they are the same machine. same old fashioned way of playing games, similar graphics etc... all the half decent Sony franchises make their way to Xbox anyway, and Xbox games make their way onto PC and Mac!

How much longer will it be before we have to take out loans to purchase the latest consoles?
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