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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Hey everyone,
As in my other posts, im going off of the promotional PDf file from Microsoft. It stsates clearly that a composite lead is included. Not the HD cables. And this is what retailers are supposed to say to customers so meh!
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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741.com allows for free webspace. Uni.cc accounts allow one page of HTML (no image I don't think) per address.
What about use stone age people in the UK with HD TV, wheres the standard normal cables?
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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#2 (Palmer): There were some problems with the sites you listed. First, 741.com's ToS explicitly forbids the use of its accounts for file storage: "6) Sites used primarily for storage will be removed from our servers. This is site hosting, not file storage." Distributing an old page from one of Microsoft's sites might be frowned upon. And second, Uni.cc does not offer hosting. Thanks, anyway.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Uni.cc offers one page of HTML per address. I'm pretty sure it is anyways.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, but I wanted to host a few comparison pages, so one page wouldn't do it for me. Sorry.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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http://www.majornelson.com/2005/08/18/confused-about-cables/

Major Nelson confirms HD cables with 'premium' package only. 'Core' will receive the S-video cable.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, Morgon (#6), I wonder if the major is mistaken this time. I haven't read that S-Video was going to be the hook-up for "any TV or VCR with Audio/Video inputs" on any major news site. He should spread the word up the corporate ladder if that truly is the case. I'll update the main post, nonetheless. Thanks for the heads-up!
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know. He -usually- gets better information than what's on the Xbox sites, just because he is on the front lines, and as you know, it's easier to update a small site, than a corporate one.

Also, I think nobody was expecting this second 'rogue' system to come along and call itself the 'Core' package. There have been tons of quotes being pulled up, showing many different people from Microsoft talking about the one-SKU launch (Ballmer, J Allard) and how every one was going to have HDD and Wireless controllers (Every single interview).
So there's going to be some inital confusion, especially with major news sites who are not directly affiliated with MS.

I'm inclined to believe that Major himself did not really learn of this until he went to Liepzig. I plan to make sure he answers that question at whatever point he comes back to his blog in a non-cleanup position.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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so thats it? there's no word on HDMI or DVI?
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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There's a VGA cable that will be available at launch (Not DVI, but... it's something).

MS won't release a HDMI until the market's there.. which 'supposedly' won't be there for at least another year or more. I wouldn't hold my breath for one til at least late 2006, if I had to guess.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Digi Smalls (#9), if you believe Todd Holmdahl, Corporate VP of the Xbox Product Group at Microsoft, they'll "provide an HDMI for [their] customers when it makes sense." He told TeamXbox back in June: "The reality is, you don’t need HDMI for HD gaming." How 'bout them apples?

http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-Interview-Todd-Holmdahl/p1/
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Meh, videogames ahve gotten too political. I love my xbox, but right now, nintendo is looking like the only honorable contender left in the business. And that makes me sad...
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Let's see if I have this straight. The core system is $299. That comes with one controller and no games. You'll obviously want a game, so that's another $59 dollars. So you're at $358. Throw in a memory card, which you'll need because you won't have a hard drive, and you're at $400 dollars. Your 400 dollar console will not play online games (unless you pay an additional $50.00). It will not let you watch DVDs (you have to pay to unlock the DVD player to watch movies). It will not let you play two players, since it only includes one controller.
It will not let you save on a hard drive, because it doesn't come with one. It will not let you play your games in high definition, because the HD wires are not included. Wow! Look at all that you will not be able to do with your 400 dollar XBOX 360.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Actually if you have seen pictures of both the cables you'll notice an extra YELLO video cable. So S-video includes composite, and component includes conposite.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Er.. no, you're grossly mistaken.
Of course, the corrections don't make things any better, but we'll try anyway:

Why will the Core system + Memory Unit not let you play online games? Are you talking about Xbox Live subscription, or something else? XBL pricing has not been announced for the Xbox 360 (but god hoping it's the same!)

DVD functionality is not locked this time around, and can be accessed via the controller, as well as the remote.

The HDD is a separate attachment at $99.99 (yuck)

And you're right, the 'core' unit does not allow you to play with the HD cables.

However: The "premium" package, which is $399.99, includes the HDD, HD cables, wireless controller, remote, and headset. The drawback is that XBL "Gold" is still not included in this configuration.

For the record, I think these prices are way too high. They should either sell 1 SKU at $349 with HDD, HD Cables, and Wireless controller -- or they should include a game in the premium config.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Catalin (#14), you're right about the S-Video cable including a yellow composite-video plug. I'll update the update to reflect this information. Thanks for pointing that out. S-Video being the standard is beginning to possibly make sense.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Damnit. Major updated his post - The 'Core' system does NOT include an SVideo cable, but just the composite.

You were right, Dan.

Christ, this just goes to show you that they really do NOT have their act together.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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This is why Im buying a PS3. :)
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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>"This is why Im buying a PS3. :)"<

HA. Like Sony doesn't do even worse (remember PS2 claims anyone?).

I also don't understand how folks think the $399 price tag is too expensive. We all knew it was suppose to be somewhere around $300 initially. That, together with a $30 Headset, a $100 HD, a $25-$30 Remote, and whatever else (seems to keep changing) is pretty cost-effective.

Of course, since I'm not an idiot and therefore didn't expect M$ to take a hit on every system this time, I was hoping that they would sell the system (with HD) for $360 and be done with it. As it is now they are still taking a hit on each system sold and therefore I don't get the big deal about this new pricing strategy.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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The lack of an HDMI cabe kind of sucks for me. I'm sure the picture will be just fine over the component cables, but HDMI transmits digital audio as well. All three of the optical audio ports are used up on my receiver, so now I'm kind of screwed. I don't see myself getting behind the entertainment center every time I want to play the xbox. :(
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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Alex... if you are using a RCA type digital input for audio... then you can just buy a MONO Y-adapter to give one of your inputs on your receiver 2 plugs. Just make sure both "systems" that are connected together aren't on at the same time... or neither one will output audio. I have been doing this for years and have ZERO sound quality loss. Good luck.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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You guys have it lucky, in the UK High Def is just starting to happen and trying to confirm what TV I need to buy to plug the 360 into without hassles is proving impossible. As for the price, £279 for the cosnole with the extras seems like a good deal to me as it replaces the need for a DVD player, stereo etc. Can't wait for the release, and am screaming for Gears of War.
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