"You would have liked anything nintendo would have thrown to keep whoring you
around".

Anyone with that mentality must think nintendo is stupid or clueless, and that
ports of other games mustn't work on Revolution due to the controller that has
little buttons, and that it is a last effort to gain market. I have news for
you, you moron: It's obvious that nintendo has it all planned.

When they said "revolution", they meant it, they didn't just pretend a 360
degree revolution where you end up at the same point (if you know what I mean).

Don't you think you can play third party titles with the gamecube controller?
Or any other controller attachment for past console's games? Remember there is
still one more controller to unveil, dipshits. This is just the first part.
There are gonna be several add-ons, both from first and third party. Including a
"classic-style" controller, possibly like the one in the gumShu picture we saw.

Don't wanna buy add-ons? Then why buy a console in the first place? I mean, you
have to buy an HDTV for fully experiencing a 360 or a PS3, let alone more
expensive games and hardware. And they also said that add-ons are not a
requirement.

Besides, the new controller has enough buttons for almost every genre except
fighting games (that's why you would get an add-on... and I thought the N64
controller was excellent for fighting games). This controller is perfect for FPS
and RPGs (2 of the most popular genres, if not the most). Also strategy games
were you get to see the whole map at once are perfect with this one.

Basically, it has three buttons on the front, (not including select, start and
home), one on the back, a D-pad, and an included attachment with the analog
stick and two more triggers (possibly pressure sensitive?). So it's a total of 6
buttons, select, start, home, rumble features, a D-pad and an analog stick, and
the gyration features, which are even BETTER than an analog stick, because an
analog stick can give you 360 degrees of rotation in a plane, while gyration
gives you 360 degrees on a plane, plus 180 degrees of spatial liberty (no it's
not 360 in the space because when you've passed through the 180th degree you are
counting again the circles you've counted before because you're going back, as
opposed to on a plain where you're just counting points), AND also the position
in space, so it's a perfect substitute for buttons and an analog stick, since
you can act based on the 3d movement of your controller. And that isn't counting
the endless possibilities of multiple attachments.

(I hope sony doesn't copy nintendo again)

The poll didn't ask if we were planning to get it before the controller was shown, or after the controller was shown. I personally think it would be more intresting to see how many people were swayed by the controller.

President Bush's polls can be taken into account too. If you catch my drift.

#2: we'd have had to poll prior to the controller's release in order to have a semi-valid poll on that one. I wish we had! =)

Absolutely shocking poll results. I mean I'm all for innovation, but I can't possibly see the public adopting this. Moreover, it looks exceedingly uncomfortable to use.

It is clear Nintendo wants to part of the MS vs Sony mess. Perhaps they are going to let one of them get knocked out and go for the sure thing second place.

The Big N has generated some great buzz with the Rev's controller and I really hope they can mainitain momentum. Prediction: Nintendo wins a strong #2 spot in the next generation and keeps kicking a$$ in the handheld market.

i really think that Nintendo can make a huge combat with this new system. Alot of things from this system are original and thats wat people want. i mean this system has many new features that current ones dont like the game library, double layered discs,and of course the new kick ass controler. if Sony and Microsoft copy any of Nintendos current acheivements they would become even more pathetic than they already are

"if Sony and Microsoft copy any of Nintendos current acheivements they would become even more pathetic than they already are"

How positively astute!

I am quite interested to see how this thing is received when released. My prediction is that it will kill in Japan and do poorly in the US.

i agree wuth 7 people ion japan arent like people over here in the states people in jap want inotive and fun games they dont kare if its "kiddy" they dont kare if "graphiks suc" theyre mostly true gamers they kare about the fun of the game just like me i love the controler looks awsome but i think it will be dificult to adjust to it

"It is clear Nintendo wants to part of the MS vs Sony mess."

Nintendo probably is closely knit near unit sales against M$.

As much as you and I, the mature and more hardcor. gamers, don't recognize the Gamecube the more casual gamer and most kids will recognize the gamecube more.

Gamecube wasn't designed for hardcore online fragging, it was designed for fun family entertainment they've also added a couple mature titles as well.

I am undecided about this new remote.. I'll have to try it out before I make up my mind.

your gonna be waiting a while

that first post is hilarious. you can clearly see its some young teenage kid who has no clue about anything. i mean i feel bad for him.

we should buy all kinds of add ons? oh the joy of living with mommy and daddy

anyways Nintendo bombed. this is a massive dissapointment even if all the hopeful fanboys otherwise. we all hoped nintendo would achieve greatness this time around after the crapfest that was the Gamecube. sometimes trying to be different comes back to bite you in the butt.

Nintendo will fale miserably in the U.S.
if its happy with a second and maybe even third position in the japenese market then hey good for them.


this will be one of the biggest bombs in the history of gaming... prob next to the sega saturn.

Sorry #8 it's obvious first off that you need some spelling lessons. Second, the graphics on the Gamecube never sucked as I recall. Maybe you ought to go buy a new pair of glasses.

gamecube had good graphics and some decent games but thats all.

it failed in so many areas.

I love how people say "it's about innovation and not graphics" and assume they're automatically right.

To alot of people (not saying so much myself unless it's a WWE wrestling game) graphics DO make a game,believe me,I know people like this,some of them work at my local Gamestop,but what makes their opinion less valued than yours?

I'm not saying I don't care for the Revolution,i'll need to try it for myself before I purchase it. This controller can either be the tool to dig Nintendo's grave or bring them back,only time will tell.I'm just saying don't assume your opinion is automatically right because YOU think gameplay makes up a game over graphics when not eveyone sees it the same way,that's all.

Sorry,for double posting.

The idiot who says Sony and Microsoft copy Nintendo needs to be beaten with a heavy club and dragged into a cave to die slowly for your stupidity.

By saying that then you must mean equally that Nintendo copied Sony by using dvd as their media and backwards compatibility and copied Microsoft by making a service to play their console online.

I know PS2 is online also,i'm just trying to be irrational to show how dumb some of you idiots sound when you spew the "Nintendo is the innovator,they can do no wrong,everyone else just copies because Nintendo is GOD!" crap all over this website like it's going out of style.

#15,
Do you truly believe that Sony pioneered backwards compatibility on game systems?

Way back when the SNES was announced, not even released yet, they talked about a NES adapter for it. Sega had similar items after that. Remember that for sony to use CD's they were copying sega and to a lesser extent, Nintendo concepts that were public knowledge. They made the move to DVD when developers like Square told them they didn't want to keep releasing Final Fantasy games on multiple CD's. Sony released the ps2 with a dvd player and for the first YEAR it existed, more Japanese played MOVIES in it than games. Sony has not innovated ONE thing in this market. Even the Eye Toy was ripped off from the PC. Nintendo DO take the chances and its very comfortable for haters like you to sit back and play armchair CEO.

It succeeded in all the areas that matter- Market share and profits. At one point it was a clear 2nd in front of Xbox (holiday season 2 years ago, I believe). Now they are basically tied for second. Also remember that the GC was the only profitable system. Sony and MS aren't profiting.

I know hardcore gamers think its MS vs Sony, but it's not. It's Nintendo vs MS and Nintendo is _winning_. Nintendo is making money, MS isn't. It's that simple. Sony is losing money, but that's ok when you are dominating the market.

If anything, Xbox was a failure. For all the money MS put behind the Xbox, you would think it were MS vs Sony. But it's not. It doesn't matter what teenage boys who show off their hardware to their guy friends to look cool think. All that matters are the facts.

In all honesty, after watching the video of revolution controller in action I was sold. After being pretty sceptical and just observing what Nintendo will bring I've come to really like what Nintendo has done.

My self right now I own a PSP, yep a sony product. I can't even say a single bad thing about my purchase which will probably label me as a sony fanboy. Who cares.

Anyway, I'm really glad Nintendo is doing something to get the games market more exciting again. I really can't wait to play a sword game on revolution!

As for next console cycle I think what will happen, Xbox 360 will fail, ps3 will be made to look more superior (probably will be) so people will hold out for one. Revolution will probably snap up all the casual gamers, kids and those who have a ps3 already just for the original gameplay.

Oh and in japan revolution will become a cultural hit.

well i posted the controller on a car website full of ps2 and xbox fans here in australia and here are some responses from casual gamers
OMG

I was going to buy a X360, but screw that!

*dies*

Holy Mother of...

... you know, when PSP came out and I saw the public reaction, I was almost certain Nintendo was going to go bankrupt.

This thing has given me a flicker of hope. Christ, Nintendo weren't kidding when they said they had something special planned for the Revolution Controllers! I look forward to playing yet another hundred+ hours on the next Super Smash Brothers Melee!

Well, I even pre-orderd the premium Xbox 360 from EB (not their dumb bundle), but hell, I'm going to cancel it! I'm probably eventually going to go back and get one, most likely around Halo 3, which is 2007, but until I want to get a second system, man! This controller is awesome! And, knowing Nintendo, the systems going to be cheap, as well as controllers (I'm guessing $19.99 American :P). I just think Nintendo really did pull of the supposed Revolution. It's a title it now deserves. I just still hope they retain some media features, since it has SD and USB slots, for like pictures, music, and even throw in vidoe capabilties. All you have to do is write an inteface capable of it. And I really hope WiFi Connection is going to match up to Live, because it's free (Nya, remember I said Nintendo sells stuff cheap?), because they permanentlyown the gamespy servers they run on, and they'll make the money back quickly through the NES/SNES/N64 downloads. Speaking of which, has Nintendo snnounced if legacy downloads are free? What about the price of a download?

The controller looks unconfortable to use?

IGN have had hands-on with it, trying out the tech demo (which is more than anyone here can claim) and report that;
"Finally, you'll want to take some time to examine the main remote. We got to handle this prototype, which Nintendo says is pretty close to the final design. It feels very comfortable and, as you can see, looks sleek too."

Very comfortable dosn't sound so un-ergonomic after all, does it?

to say that the revolution is automatically going to have innovation over graphics is selling it short i think. lets look at this with a realists view here. the hardware is going to be powerfull. probably current mid to high range pc hardware. that sort of ball park

pc's on hardware now do amazing graphics, i run a 6600gt card and its great but its not even top spec out now. say the revolution had this hardware (i know it wont but it could be in this ballpark or a bit higher) the graphics will rock bigtime. its all about developers having a dedicated set of hardware to develop for.

people forget that the original playstation was a 33mhz machine. gran tourismo got 94% ov the total outa that machine. if developers are given the chance to get 94% out of a 6600gt and a 3ghz processor (somthing there unable to do on a pc due to havnign to cater for lesser systems) were in for a rosey future with the revolution.

and yeah i know it will be less powerful than the other 2 machines. but for people to dismiss its graphics already. they just need to have a think first i mean they havnt even released the specs yet!

ive never owned a nintendo console in my life but get behind the big N cos if you dont innovate, youl stagnate

I can hardly call the first Xbox a failure. Considering that was Microsofts first system ever and it came in a solid second place, I consider that a big accomplishment.

Nintendo on the other hand needs to step it up. The 360 is expanding on its Xbox Live service, PS3 is touting its CG like graphics again and what do we have for Nintendo? A gyroscopic, tilt, motion sensor controller that looks entirely ridiculous in design.

All three of these big companies copy from each other, dont be ignorant and say its only Nintendo thats innovative. As far as innvoation goes in consoles Xbox Live was the biggest thing to change console gaming. More innovative then any rumble pack or analog, and you know what? My jaw would hit the floor in shock if Nintendo and Sony dont attempt to copy Microsoft's online service.

Nintendo has good ideas, they just dont get them across properly. Having this type of motion sensing control would have been nice built into a normal looking controller. But none of that really matters, as long as Nintendo has its fanboys and children to buy Pokemon and Mario with a system they can profit on from each sale they will always be around. Just dont count on them getting 1st or 2nd place.

in the next console war Nintendo will come first,sony & microsoft will come an equal 3rd...and *a very big gap* will come in second place ROLMFAO!!!

#20 I think when the earlier comment mentioned uncomfortable to use they probably meant for long periods of game time.

Most controls have you use two hands. Any strain on your hands is evenly distributed, and your thumbs rest on the controller. You're typically not moving the controller through space. Your hands, arms, body are basically at rest and your fingers do most of the moving.

With a remote control type device, the strain is no longer even distributed. You're using one hand. Sure it may be ergonomic and feel comfortable to the touch, but how long do you typically hold a remote? Now think about holding the device in mid air, while moving it around. Your wrist, and arms are now going to be utilized where they were not before. How much action can a typical person sustain? It becomes a matter of endurance.

The control is interesting. It'll be far more interesting once the games arrive. I'm curious about 3rd party support-- does it require "special" programming to use the control or will titles under development for other platforms work with minor or no modifications? Will we see better 3rd party support than with the GC?

Some of you take this shit way too seriously. Fact, none of these companies love you. They want your money. Your blind devotion to them makes you look fucking stupid. I think the Revolution controller looks cool, and cant wait to try it. Now after I try playing a game with it and it sucks, I dont buy one, and life goes on. Think about it.

#25 is probably the smartest comment in this entire page.

You're being nieve if you think Nintendo is the only company that isn't looking for money.

As for the controller, I admit that I was a little pissed off at the design. After closer inspection I decided to reserve my judgement and wait for some more hands on experience reports to come out.

...But I still get the feeling that Nintendo is trying to suck as much money as they can from me, what with the controller needing different add-ons and such to act more as a traditional device.

But seriously, back to 25's point, fanboyism is probably the stupidest mindset to ever develop. Some of you completely ignore cold, hard facts and instead are content to flap your loose jaws about Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo. Don't make assumptions, don't automatically agree that something will be the biggest thing since Jesus before it even comes out! Be a SMART consumer. Not a loyalist.

#22, theres going to be a normal looking controller shell with all the buttons you'll need. No official images, but IGN has a mockup which I hope is close.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html

Well I for one know for a FACT they're after my money, I simply it rather go to them than the other two because I like their product more. Call that what you will, but it is my money to spend where I choose.

"Fact, none of these companies love you."

Fact, we know this.
Fact, How a person feels about a company they feel
respects them is their own perogative.

"You're being nieve if you think Nintendo is the only company that isn't looking for money."

You're being naive if you don't think everyone knows this.

"As for the controller, I admit that I was a little pissed off at the design. After closer inspection I decided to reserve my judgement and wait for some more hands on experience reports to come out."

Windwaker taught everyone not judge a book by it's cover.

"But I still get the feeling that Nintendo is trying to suck as much money as they can from me, what with the controller needing different add-ons and such to act more as a traditional device."

If you don't like buying add-ons, don't purchase electronics. Add-ons are everywhere in the world of gaming. Anything that has to be attached to the console to fuction is an add-on. Headphones are add-ons, Controllers are add-ons, Headsets are add-ons,Internet is an add-on, Games themselves can be considered add-ons, even the power cord is basically an add-on. The console can exist with these things, even though it will only be an expensive paperweight. Point, there isn't an electronic device out there that doesn't have an add-on.

I seriously doubt anyone is blindly devoted to any company. I mean, if that were the case, Atari would still be selling hardware or Nintendo would have never lost the #1 spot to Sony. Just because a certain console is popular this year, doesn't mean everyone will continue to buy from the same company the next time around. Opinions, perceptions, and people change.

Who cares about the !#@$%*& controller. I, for one, only care about the games.

GuyManDude, to generalize everything as being an add-on is a bit silly. What I consider an add-on is something that companies say is optional, and isn't required for most games.

Every system has add-ons. Sony's Eye-Toy, Microsoft's DVD remote and Nintendo's GBA player. But the cool thing about those was the fact that those things were not required to really enjoy your system, and I was happy to not spend my money on them. I don't have to get Donkey Konga. I can play DDR and Time Crisis at the arcade. I like playing Halo2 without a headset. (Those little cheeky preteen bastards online annoy me anyway)

But now, with the Revolution, there are add-ons that I HAVE to spend my cash on, just to enjoy certain genres. I am definately not going to play a fighting game sports game or platformer without having a standard controller in my hand. And now I'm going to have to dig out my dough just to get those shells.

The hands on previews were very promising. But the game types were more on the lines of Eye Toy games than traditional gaming. (not counting Metroid, which I have to admit is pretty sweet) So what's going to happen to my favorite 3-d Mario games, or Zelda games? I have a hard time believing that the standard controller will be very compatible with those...

I'm looking forward to the 'Strap On' add on for the new Leisure Suit Larry

I'm looking forward to the 'Strap On' add on for the new Leisure Suit Larry

GuyManDude, to generalize everything as being an add-on is a bit silly. What I consider an add-on is something that companies say is optional, and isn't required for most games.

Every system has add-ons. Sony's Eye-Toy, Microsoft's DVD remote and Nintendo's GBA player. But the cool thing about those was the fact that those things were not required to really enjoy your system, and I was happy to not spend my money on them. I don't have to get Donkey Konga. I can play DDR and Time Crisis at the arcade. I like playing Halo2 without a headset. (Those little cheeky preteen bastards online annoy me anyway)

But now, with the Revolution, there are add-ons that I HAVE to spend my cash on, just to enjoy certain genres. I am definately not going to play a fighting game sports game or platformer without having a standard controller in my hand. And now I'm going to have to dig out my dough just to get those shells.

The hands on previews were very promising. But the game types were more on the lines of Eye Toy games than traditional gaming. (not counting Metroid, which I have to admit is pretty sweet) So what's going to happen to my favorite 3-d Mario games, or Zelda games? I have a hard time believing that the standard controller will be very compatible with those...

"But the game types were more on the lines of Eye Toy games than traditional gaming. (not counting Metroid, which I have to admit is pretty sweet)"

So like, aside from the shit that proves me wrong, my point stands!
What did you expect? A full game demo for a machine that doesn't even have a game made for it?

I really think you guys should read the IGN article titled roughly Revo Controller: The Possibilities. Number 34, that article should relieve your fears of the functionality of different genres with the controller. I was extremely impressed with the possible control scheme for a game like Madden. Also 3D adventure games were covered. Just about every current genre was put to the virtual test by IGN, and they all seem more than feesable. If not a substantial improvement over a conventional controller. I say don't automatically kill off fighting games with that controller unless you have tried it. As for addons, the analog thingy comes with the system, and the only other potentially critical one to have is the Wavebird like controller shell. Other addons won't be a main part of the system to the point where their fully required.

Where is the innovation in presenting a controller that looks and behaves like a 20-year old electronic gadget called a "remote control"?

I missed that part.

That VR helmet would have revolutionary. That controller is just a way to increase profit margins by pretending to innovate.

Last time I checked, my TV remote didn't sense what way I was tilting or moving it, and it certainly doesn't allow interaction.


And just for those worried about the lack of input, there are 13 usable buttons (8 of which are easily accessed while playing) and what is essetionally two analog sticks when connected to the egg portion. That's plenty, if you ask me.

now i'm going to try not to be harsh considering this is a gaming website, majority of gamers are young teens but honestly you guys need reality checks, realize you're young, realize you dont know everything.


a lot of the commments here clearly lack any knowledge outside of your own living room, or mommy and daddies basement.

the xbox was a success even if it lost money, sony has been losing money for a long time, wake up.

nintendo took a huge hit in the U.S last year. the perception of nintendo as a good console maker is almost gone, they need this to do well here in america.

its going to be sad when a lot of you start to realize how much right Microsoft did with this console. i praise nintendo for taking a chance, it needed to take a chance, sadly i dont think it will do much this generation, sorry.

relax everybody. if u think the controller is going to be uncomfortable, they're making an adapter for the rev. controller to makes it a convenction controller only with the pointer thing.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html

Wow. adawg. You're how old now?

Even though I'm still on the fence about the new controller, I think your comments lacked intelligence, taste, and periods. I hate nothing more than a stupid fanboy. And you, my friend, are a stupid fanboy.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2002-10-11&res=l

ahahaha!!! 44, every 10 year old troll fool should be forced to follow that link, hilarious!

I know Nintendo has made some gambles before, but this has to be by-far the oddest idea that has come from gaming grandfather. I am personally a big nintendo fan, but I do enjoy playing other games on other consoler (Halo 2, Final Fantasy, etc.) I believe this could really be a cool idea, but I hope Nintendo isn't planning to cruxify third-party developers considering that third-pary games make up about 80% of all video games. Only time will tell, but as the last few console wars have shown Nintendo always manages to get by with innovation (Nintendo DS)and great first-party games (The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess). I know many X-box fans have eagerly been awaiting Nintendo going under, but it will be a sad day in video games when this gaming giant that has brought the world so many great titles and experiences fall into bankrupty because more people claim that one console is better than the others because of one game series (Cough,Cough, Halo). You Halo fans can curse at Nintendo all day long because it doesn't have many M rated games, but if you take a step back it isn't the rating of the game that really matters, it is the content inside that brings people enjoy.

SONY have said that their controller may "undergo some changes" before it is realesed. They're so going to copy Nintendo.

Nintendo made the first game controller.

Nintendo made the first analog controll stick.

Nintendo made the first Rumble pack.

All of these things are in EVERY system now. Nintendo keeps inovating things and then they're just copied.

#24 "As far as innvoation goes in consoles Xbox Live was the biggest thing to change console gaming. More innovative then any rumble pack or analog,"

Your such a M$ fanboy. The analog stick is more innovative than xbox live. Maybe you should play games without using the analog and see how different it is. I challeng M$ to make there own and different controller. All they did was take everyother controller and made it into theres. Thats very innovative....PLEASE. Although i do like the pressure sensor buttons. But the GCN has speed sensing controls.

The point is that xbox live is not as an innovation as the analog stick. its just not, because many games are fine and perfect without online and many games aren't fine and perfect without the analog.

Just remember one thing everyone, what all the "hardcore" gamers and "fanboys" who come on here say back and forth to one another has nothing to do with overall perception and success. Just look at the DS and PSP, there were hundreds of posts back and forth, most calling the DS a gimmick that would fall to the mighty PSP, but what has happened? Well, the DS has outsold the PSP by a hefty margin so far, despite more advertising, better graphics, and more features like movie playback for the PSP. So really, everyone can ignore everything anyone here has to say and wait til next year to see what really happens/ Until then, you can all go nuts uselessly fighting and debating amongst yourself for no reason but to validate yourself or because you have nothing better to do.

"...because you have nothing better to do."
I think you hit the nail squarely on the head.

i was looking at the revolution as the last console i would pick up this coming gen.. but after seeing and grasping the concept of nintendo's controller, i'm definately biased towards it.

it makes me a little uncomfortable, but now when i look at the PS3 or Xbox 360's controller i tend to think something like "wow, that is kind of a useless hunk of plastic compared to the possibilities nintendo is offering..". i can't help it, that's just the way i'm looking at it.

i actually really hope this IS the revolution of gaming.. i hope sony and microsoft both bring something similar to the table.