Classic Nintendo games won't be free

#49

Wrong. Just because you own the cartridge does NOT mean it's legal to own a ROM of the game. (doesn't mean I don't do it myself though)

to those of you who will be getting the Xbox 360 or the PS3, I say well done. To the Nintendo fan boys who will be getting the Revolution, I say grow up.
come on guys who in the hell would want to get a "Revolution"(oh please) in the first place yet alone be willing to pay for 20 years old crapy games.

Where are all these downloaded games going to be stored? On the SD cards or on blank discs that you buy and then burn?

Here's my question, given the fact the games were developed long ago and the original programmers and other people are not ALL going to be compensated, I imagine Nintendo can only really charge for whatever the COST will be for transmitting the games over their networks and cost of development for creating emulators (and of course you'll get charged for the new marketing, etc).

So how much should that be per game? 1$? less than 1$? more? I'm thinking COSTS not people's willingness to pay (that's important too, but i'm just curious lol ...)

"--That's silly. Usually you get a game because you played / loved it before, meaning you probably own it. In which case running ROMs are legal. I know I do that all the time. I got about 30 SNES games in storage as well as my SNES, but i'll play through them on my computer all the time(savestates are wonderful now that I'm an adult)."

I agree about the benefits, but you're wrong, it's illegal. If you knew anything about the laws of which you try to speak, you'd know that that is not a legal justification. The backup/archival exception CLEARLY does not apply in these cases. If you purchase a VHS copy of Conan the Destroyer, that doesn't entitle you to walk out of the store with a DVD copy for free, or download a digital copy over the internet. You make grossly inaccurate assumptions about the rights afforded to you over such property, and a little research would illustrate just how incorrect you are. What's the word? Pwned?

"I imagine Nintendo can only really charge for whatever the COST will be for transmitting the games over their networks and cost of development for creating emulators (and of course you'll get charged for the new marketing, etc)."

Oh dear lord. A DVD of a movie from the 60s (say, Lean's wonderful Lawrence of Arabia) is only worth what it costs to produce each individual copy? Value isn't cost-based (take a look at gas prices), it's demand-based. Why do you think Blizzard is sitting on a mountain of cash? They fulfilled their financial committments from Starcraft and Diablo II years ago, and with no extra effort beyond production, the green just keeps rolling in.

"Oh dear lord. A DVD of a movie from the 60s ... blah blah blah ..." Yes i know. lol but they also set prices according to their production costs (in order to be more favorable than their competition), its a combination of the 2, WTP and actual costs. I was simply saying, that I wonder how much it costs. (i think my last sentence pointed that out). If you still see boxes (aka SHELF SPACE), advertising, networks being maintained, etc, then there are still costs to maintain service. Again, I was just curious of how much it is actually going to cost Nintendo ^_^

Also JJ, I understand ROMs (anime fansubs, getting scanned game magazines from other countries, etc.) are all not legal. I choose not to download movies/mp3s, but choose to download old game systems (I could dload psp games, but would rather support their efforts, and i am willing/able to pay). Wah Wah Wah, call the WAAAAAMBULANCE.

I think it's a fair arguement that Nintendo is not as heavy on copy protection of out of production products (region protection, another economic issue) for whatever reason. It's still not legal, but it's the way it is. If they care so much (if it really cut into their profit margins) they would have to fight and take legal actions against these sites/distribution channels just like RIAA, just like Sony, just like Microsoft, just like any company that feels they're LOSING PROFITS UNJUSTLY. At least that's been my impression as far as dupes of their old roms which are out of production (well until they re-release NES and SNES games on revolution).

This is old news. They said this about 1 1/2 months ago so no one should be surprised.

"To the Nintendo fan boys who will be getting the Revolution, I say grow up."

Okay, I need to grow up? No, you do. What makes me a child for paying for old games (I may be fifteen, but I'm mature for my age)? Why don't you say that to the 360 fans you fool, bacause they are probably going to have to pay for stuff for their games, which is stupid. However, it won't be expensive and I'm sure these ROM's won't be either. $5 is my guess for the ROM's, all of them. They wouldn't charge you $20 for games you can buy for much less, or get for free.

""White seems to be the new black, for starters"

Then why is the black Nano out-selling the white version by truck loads?"

Because other than the ass-ugly U2 iPod, there hasn't been a black one. *Everyone* has white iPods. Black is new/different.

Personally i think it would be a great idea if nintendo made the games 1-12 dollers. i also think they should create a sort of netflicks for the older games. the user pays(lets say 50 cents to have the game for 1 day. i will defitely get the revo because im not willing to pay 400$$ for a xbox 360 or 450$$ for a ps3. on top of that microsoft might charge extra for you buy a game with xbox live.

I didn't expect the downloadable classic games would all be free.

Like several others in this thread, I'd imagine that this will probably work out like many of the online music stores, where you pick from a list of available games and pay a fee to download it to the Revolution. I just hope the fee will be reasonable--$1 to $2 for most games would be fine, with higher prices only for the best and most popular titles.

The idea of bundling old titles with the new ones is a good one, although there's nothing stopping them from just putting the old title on the Revolution disc so everyone (not just those who have their systems connected to the Internet) could immediately enjoy them. Perhaps you could buy a game, or a memory card, or some other peripheral, and it would include a coupon with a code to give you credits to download the game(s) of your choice.

the xbox. and the gamecube. and don't forget the ds (although that was just a demo). and the psp came with a movie.

i think it would be even better though if they had a sort of blockbuster rent games online. the game would download and stay for 24 hours. after the times up it deletes it

Now I am not sure if I want to hold on to the only NES carts I have left (about 12) or just continue to sell them. Anyone interested? :D See my homepage ;)

i think they should have a pin number for buying the clasics. when you get a new game for the revolution it adds 10 points to your acount. the games would take about 5 points to get or some amount of cash.

it would be really cool if they made some adaptor that could conect your old games to the revolutions that way you wouldnt have to buy the ones you already have. : )

"Who actually expects to get anything free?
When was the last time a console even came with a game?"

the xbox. and the gamecube. and don't forget the ds (although that was just a demo). and the psp came with a movie.

Hey, who's wondering if they'll be selling R.O.B.'s again, or if the new controller will be compatible with duckhunt? Does this mean I can play 4 player SNES bomberman without the 4 player adapter? Perhaps the track 'n field pad will make a comback, or the gamecube DDR dancemat will be compatible. With Sega's agreement, a six button dongle addon could concievably make Master System/Genesis games playable (heck, i wonder what the agreements are on PSX games). Interestingly, should 3rd parties agree, virtually all PS1 games could be emulated (assuming leagal reverse engineering is employed) because Sony's lockout clauses ended years ago, while the reverse isn't true, because there aren't many 3rd party N64 games worth emulating for PS3 to emulate. Then there's the question of Rareware. Possibilities possibilities...

They probably won't do it, but I want to have the option buy games that weren't released in the US. The Japanese game King of Pro Baseball would be cool to have.

i really just want the ones like contra, street fight, double dragon.. stuff like that. perhaps super techmo bowl for kicks.

contra is at the top of my list though. if i cna only get one classic nintendo game on the revolution i want contra.

Well first off donkey kong country for the GBA is being made and sold by rare, i would know as i have bought 1 and 2 so far and rare is still making games for the DS and the GBA, but i dont think microsoft would allow rare games to go on the REV, it wont happen i promise. and duck hunt is gonna kick ass with that remote as your gun! if only they change it so u can shoot that dog!

I totally back Nintendo's stance here. The reason the games will cost money is to help maintain a profitable online business model. No form of online game hosting is free, and if Nintendo offer it to you for free it's because they expect to make money out of something else. There's no reason why you would have to buy any of the older games, but those who cherish them and have a few bucks on hand will be delighted to buy them.

Think of it this way. Hosting games costs money, but to you, it's free. Making old games available for download doesn't cost money, but to you it does. So Nintendo are giving you the expensive stuff for free, yet are charging you for what IS free. If you stop to think about it, this is a fantastic idea, because the online model is geared more towards the consumer than towards the company. If you want a piece of retro goodness, you pay. But if all you want to do is play Revolution games online, it's free.

The outcome is that less people will feel forced into buying aditional content, since it's only optional. The 'basic' Revolution service comes at no additional cost, and Nintendo will get more people online than Microsoft ever could.

Would it be nice if you didn't have to pay for your existing software? It would be fantastic, but it wouldn't work. If you still have that software, nobody's stopping you from getting off your arse and wiping the dust off your old systems. But if you want to comfortably play them on the Revolution, you must pay the price.

I did hear a mention of some guy from Nintendo Europe i think it was, talking about backwards compatibility with the new control - how the add on dongles or whatever, would allow you to play SNES + N64 games and he specifically mentioned it was very important that his favourite game Goldeneye could be played correctly - as if to imply that that game in particular would be available. If that is then hopefully all old Rareware games could be available too. Of course I am having trouble finding the link

I dont care if I have to pay a little for games. I just want the entire library of games for NES, SNES, and N64 to be avaialable for download without any shenanigans. For example, I dont want to have to buy the new $50 Mario Revolution game in order to get SMB for NES. I'd rather just pay $10 for SMB. Preferably less, as I already have the game for my (broken) NES, but if it was $10, I would pay. Same for SMB2 and especially SMB3, my favorite game of all time.

i think that it would be cool if they had all the nes, snes, and n64 downloadable. i hope they reviell the games they would have avaible to download. No games should be free. nintendo would lose billions of $$$. lol who expected them to be free anyway. i found this on a web site when i was searching for info.


Revolution: All the Classics
Famitsu says all of Nintendo's first party-published classics will be available for download on Revolution.
by Matt Casamassina
June 6, 2005 - The latest issue of Famitsu Magazine in Japan reveals that all of Nintendo's first party-published NES, S-NES, and Nintendo 64 classics will be available for download on Revolution.
The publication offers no specifics on games, but an overzealous message board poster calling himself 'myahon' put together a preliminary list of some 214 possibilities based on their first party status. Following, that list:

NES

1. 10-Yard Fight
2. Anticipation
3. Balloon Fight
4. Barker Bill's Trick Shooting
5. Baseball
6. Clu Clu Land
7. Dance Aerobics
8. Devil World
9. Doki Doki Panic
10. Donkey Kong
11. Donkey Kong 3
12. Donkey Kong Classics
13. Donkey Kong Jr.
14. Donkey Kong Jr. Math
15. Dr. Mario
16. Dragon Warrior
17. Duck Hunt
18. Excitebike
19. Famicom Wars
20. Final Fantasy
21. Fire Emblem Gaiden
22. Fire Emblem: Ankokuryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi
23. Flintstones: The Rescue of Dino and Hoppy
24. Golf
25. Gum Shoe
26. Gyromite
27. Hogan's Alley
28. Ice Climber
29. Ice Hockey
30. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
31. Kid Icarus
32. Kirby's Adventure
33. Kung Fu
34. Mach Rider
35. Mario Bros.
36. Mario Time Machine
37. Mario is Missing!
38. Mario:Fun with Letters
39. Mario:Fun with Numbers
40. Metroid
41. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
42. Mother (Earthbound)
43. NES Open Golf
44. Nintendo World Cup
45. Nuts & Milk
46. Pin-Bot
47. Pinball
48. Play Action Football
49. Popeye
50. Pro Wrestling
51. Punch-Out!!
52. R.C. Pro-Am
53. Rad Racer
54. Rad Racer 2
55. Short Order/Eggsplode
56. Slalom
57. Snake Rattle & Roll
58. Soccer
59. Stack Up
60. Star Tropics
61. Super Mario Bros.
62. Super Mario Bros. 2
63. Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels
64. Super Mario Bros. 3
65. Super Spike V'Ball/World Cup Soccer
66. Super Team Games
67. Tennis
68. Tetris
69. Tetris 2
70. The Legend of Zelda
71. To The Earth
72. Track meet
73. Urban Champion
74. Volleyball
75. Wario's Woods
76. Wild Gunman
77. World Class Track Meet
78. World Cup Soccer
79. Wrecking Crew
80. Yoshi (Mario & Yoshi)
81. Yoshi's Cookie
82. Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
83. Zoda's Revenge: Star Tropics II


Super-NES

84. Derby Stallion 98
85. Donkey Kong Country
86. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest
87. Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble
88. Earthbound
89. F-Zero
90. FX Fighter
91. Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo
92. Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu
93. Fire Emblem: Thracia 776
94. Hyper V-Ball
95. Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball
96. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Winning Run
97. Killer Instinct
98. Kirby Super Star
99. Kirby's Avalanche
100. Kirby's Dream Course
101. Kirby's Dream Land 3
102. Kirby's Ghost Trap
103. Legend
104. Mario Paint
105. Mario and Wario
106. Mario's Early Years: Preschool Fun
107. Mario's Super Picross
108. Metal Combat: Falcon's Revenge
109. NCAA Basketball
110. NHL Stanley Cup
111. Panel de Pon
112. Picross NP Vol. 8
113. PilotWings
114. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
115. Sound Fantasy
116. Star Fox
117. Stunt Race FX
118. Super Famicom Wars
119. Super Mario Kart
120. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
121. Super Mario World
122. Super Metroid
123. Super Punch-Out!!
124. Super Scope 6
125. Super Soccer
126. Super Soccer 2
127. Super Tennis
128. Tetris & Dr. Mario
129. Tetris Attack
130. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
131. Tinstar
132. Uniracers (Unirally, the game sucked bad you raced unicycles with no rider)
133. Winter Gold (FX Skiing)
134. World League Baseball
135. Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2
136. Yoshi's Safari


Nintendo 64

137. 1080° Snowboarding
138. Animal Crossing
139. Banjo-Kazooie
140. Banjo-Tooie
141. Blast Corps
142. Bomberman 64
143. Bomberman Hero
144. Buggie Boogie
145. Cabbage
146. Catroots
147. Climber
148. Command & Conquer
149. Creator
150. Cruis'n USA
151. Cruis'n World
152. Cu-On-Pa
153. Custom Robo
154. Custom Robo V2
155. DD Sequencer
156. Dezaemon DD
157. Diddy Kong Racing
158. Donkey Kong 64
159. Doubutsu Banchou
160. Dr. Mario 64
161. Echo-Delta
162. Emperor of the Jungle
163. Excitebike 64
164. F-Zero X
165. Gendai Dai-Senryaku: Ultimate War
166. GoldenEye 007
167. Hey You, Pikachu!
168. Jack and the Beanstalk
169. Ken Griffey Jr.'s Slugfest
170. Killer Instinct Gold
171. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards
172. Kirby's Air Ride
173. Kobe Bryant in NBA Courtside
174. Major League Baseball Featuring Ken Griffey Jr
175. Mario Golf
176. Mario Kart 64
177. Mario Party
178. Mario Party 2
179. Mario Party 3
180. Mario Tennis 64
181. Mickey's Speedway USA
182. Mini Racers
183. Mischief Makers
184. Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 2
185. NBA Courtside 2: Featuring Kobe Bryant
186. Paper Mario
187. Perfect Dark
188. Pilotwings 64
189. Pokemon Puzzle League
190. Pokemon Snap
191. Pokemon Stadium
192. Pokemon Stadium 2
193. Pokemon Stadium: Gold, Silver, Crystal Version
194. Ridge Racer 64
195. Riqa
196. Shigesato Itoi's No. 1 Bass Fishing
197. Sin and Punishment: Successor to the Earth
198. Star Fox 64
199. Star Wars Episode I: Racer
200. Star Wars: Battle for Naboo
201. Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire
202. StarCraft 64
203. Super Mario 64
204. Super Smash Bros.
205. Tetrisphere
206. The Legend of Zelda DD (Ura Zelda, Master Quest)
207. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
208. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
209. The New Tetris
210. Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics
211. Wall Street DD
212. Wave Race 64
213. Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
214. Yoshi's Story
i hope games arnt to much cash. 5 $ would be nice

#43: "I have a library of about 110 but apparently the life span of carts is supposedly in the 20-25 year range, and some of them are starting to come up on that."

The ROM chips in NES cartridges don't have a definite lifespan. That is to say, they might eventually crap out, but I'd wager that they will last well over 100 years or more before that happens. And when it does, it will probably be because of moisture slowly leaking in to the ROM package, with an accelerated death if kept in a poor environment. And at that rate, the capacitors in your NES will go bad long before then, and possibly resistor values will change. But the game program data on a ROM chip (like those used in all Atari, NES, Genesis, SNES, and Game Boy cartridges) is permanently "hard-wired" into a piece of silicon inside the plastic ROM package. As for the life of the silicon substrate.. well, I'm not sure (Source: my father, electronics engineer with 45 years experience).

Now...as for the lifespans of the CR2032 lithium battery backups in some cartidges, you're looking at 5-10 years. The batteries can be replaced, but you'll lose your SRAM save-game data of course.

Steve

i ment by the list of games was the suposeablely download able games for the nintendo revolutions, not my collection of games.

A complete back library of ever NES, SNES and Gamecube game made available to all owners of the Rev with an iTunes-like download service would be the icing on he cake. Super Mario World anyone?

Will there be ROM hacks on the Nintendo Revolution's complete 20-year library? I made some ROM hacks back in 2003 and I'm curious about whether I'll be able to play World Heroes 3 by RyanVG and Canadian Tag Team Wrestling by RyanVG or not.

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