| Mail |
You might also like: WoW Insider, Massively, and more

Reader Comments (73)

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report

I wish more would've been said about your multiplayer experience....did you play against other people or bots? How many players/bots total? How did the weapons "feel"? Did you hop on any vehicles? I dunno....while I very much appreciate the hands on preview....it just seems that alot more information could've been given....As far as the "jump" criticism....I would have to agree. A simple stamina bar would've taken care of this. Still have it on preorder though....old love dies hard.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Interesting. I saw the video of this from X05 and this article has basically confirmed my fears. While on the video, the textures look pretty sweet, there just seems to be nothing new about it.

I'm one of those people who love their k&m, and so this game had to have a pretty strong marketing justification for me to purchase it. Unless my opinion is changed, I'm afraid this game is off my preorder list.

With Joystiq's, and the industry's opinion formulating that the xbox 360 will just be a 1.5 generation gap, I may even cancel my pre order. Fingers crossed Microsoft deliver the goods.

Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I don't know about you, I will wait and judge that on my own when I get my hands on the 360. Whats good for some, might not be good for others. I'm not going to take your words for it.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
do the next one on call of duty 2! please!
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
wow. great article. i was really excited for this game, but after reading your down to earth and gamer focused story, i am having second thoughts. i am awaiting your next article.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Does it have bots?

The Xbox has infuriated me. I play with two roommates. Halo screwed us, as it was terrible with just 3 people. Everyone knew where everyone else was and one of us was much better and dominated, sometimes going a very long time without dying.

Halo 2 fixed this a bit, allowing us to do split screen online, but... bleh. It would often take you 5 minutes to go from one match to another, lag, servers dropping out. It was ok, but not much fun.

Far Cry took even that from us. No more split screen online.

What happened to the good old days of Perfect Dark? Instant large matches. Since some players sucked you balance by either doing three of us vs a team of 5 computers, or three teams of a player and a bot of varying difficulty to handicap.


Honestly, if the 360 keeps ignoring bots in an attempt to force us to play online we won't buy it. Online is NOT fun when you have three or four people sitting on a couch, and it's useless.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
MY god you guys are PATHETIC! this is why the game industry is full of morons. you listenm to one persons opinion and you choose not to buy the game. if he doesnt likeit doesnt mean ou wont.pay it first!!!
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Thanks for being HONEST about your X360 experiences.

I could care less whether the system is a hit or a miss because I've already decided to definitely buy a Revolution and take a "wait and see" approach with the other two upcoming systems.

My end point/thought is - I'm unbiased when it comes to what I buy; I don't follow brand names or avoid "the other" brand names just for the sake of doing so. If a game sucks, it sucks - no matter who makes it, packages it, markets it, or buys it.

I'm glad to see someone speak an honest truth about a next gen system instead of acting like the rest of the sheep.

Cheers & thanks.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
My expectations for this game were (and still are) low. When was the last time Rare made a decent game (that wasn't a remake)?
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
So far based on other people's "hands-on" experience, and articles from the New York event, the game is impressive. You are one of the only ones that actually thinks this game doesn't live up to the hype, and from what I have read, you don't even know how to spell the main characters name, and you blame the unimpressive experience on the atmoshphere and sound at the event, which has absolutely nothing to do with the game itself.

I've seen high-definition trailers of this game, and it is completely next-generation in my opinion. Maybe you should go back to the PlayStation 2, put in one of the PlayStation 2's launch games, and then compare. Otherwise this article doesn't really prove anything.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
The game is okay sounding by the review. Nothing special. The Timesplitters of the XBOX360 launch.

He's just gone on to say it won't carry the launch like Halo did for XBOX.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Pretty textures do not a good game make.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
All of the impressions I've read, these included, and all of the media I've seen are leading me to one scary conclusion: This game is stuck in a twilight zone between my ever-beloved but dated Perfect Dark and the enjoyable yet somewhat tiresome Halo.

While some might call me blind and blast me for not falling to my knees and worshipping the game upon watching "The Gameplay Vid," I honestly don't care. I don't see the big deal being made about it.

A lot of fancy action is going on, as is a lot of shooting. It looks very pretty when the camera gets into a spot where you can see shiny lighting effects. If they just removed that pesky gameplay and HUD, and made the whole thing a movie, it would be very enjoyable.

Unfortunately, here's the thing: watching Joanna look at confusingly complex level designs for linear straight forward levels, dodge and roll in an awkward manner, constantly shoot at things zoomed in with a big round scope with blue lines plastered all over it, and battle ridiculously cheesy-looking enemies in cutscenes that have Joanna glorified as the next-gen Lara Croft...

It just doesn't appeal to me as "fun."
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
i think its quite obvious a developer like rare will realise these "bugs" or mistakes, and improve upon them. the thing is, rare havent been in this generation for a long time, and i know alot of the develkopers, chtris tilson etc, have been off for 6 years! i still belive this game will be good! maybe even great! we cud get a slap in the face! im still waitin 4 2 fps's, halo 3(of course) an.... perfect dark 2! they gotta make the sequel now theyve made the prequel, or a new fps, that would b nice, maybe summit really futuristic! listen, every1, buy this game, really, it will be the real deal, i kno, trus me, please, cos i love rare n microsoft, n appreciate what they do, be patient, the first wave will not be next gen, the second will, as always...
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
The review doesn't make the game sound bad, just... meh. It'll be Perfect Dark, and people will associate it with the N64 title, hence people will flock to the 360 in droves. Even if it merely equaled its predecessor in magnitude, that would be quite the momentous accomplishment.

Yesterday's demo might have been a near-final build, but here's hoping it wasn't too final.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
You know, I wish someone would explain to me what 'interacts' means. Oh, no, wait! It says right there in the article.

Thenks, JoyStich, your teh best!

Seriously, the only reason I'm even considering buying this is because most of the other games I wanted at launch have been delayed. Thank goodness for PGR3.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
So, PD sucks...that's not a suprise.

I didn't have high hopes for it anyway...RARE hasn't made a decent product in ages. If they were smart, they would have included an updated, Live enabled Goldeneye. Now THAT would rock.

On top of that, everyone knows that first gen games usually blow. If you want to see something awe inspiring, take a look at Oblivion. The only reason I still support the XBOX is because they're the only company who are taking consoles in the right direction. Hard Drives and online gaming should have been a standard 10 years ago...MS is the only company that seems to understand that.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
This is the First time I have read a bad "preview" of PDZ, Im just wondering if he played the Deathmatch MP mode or that other objective based MP mode they were going on about.

From the Gameplay vids I have seen I have for the most part been quite impressed, there are a few things that bother me like the Intrusive HUD and the Fact that Jo's weapons dissapear when she Climbs a ladder.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Comments about Xbox360 launch titles not being "next-gen" is truly pathetic. Was the PS2 launch titles "next-gen" when compared to PS1 games? Maybe they are when they are compared to PS1 launch titles.

If you want to bitch about the launch titles not being "next-gen", you should compare the games to Xbox launch titles instead of the current crop of games available on the Xbox.

Is PGR3 "next-gen" when compared to Xbox launch title "Project Gotham Racing"? The simple answer is "Hell Yeah!"

I don't even remember PS2's launch titles, but they were definitely "next-gen" when comparing them to PS1's launch titles, Ridge Racer, Tekken, ESPN Extreme Games, etc. PS2's launch titles weren't much better than later PS1 games.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
This IS quite pathetic.

The game is going to be good. It will be better then Halo and Halo 2. Halo and Halo 2 suffered from bad decisions for mulitplayer and PD0 is set to fix it.

Every review that I have read is happy with PD0 excpet for this one.

I for one am going to get it and enjoy it on Live.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
"Johanna"
OMG. You're not a "hardcore" gamer, you are more like "mallcore". Good job dimwit.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
O.K. So I can respect someones opinion about a game. I will still be buying this game. The first time I played halo and halo 2 single player, I was not impressed. That was only because all of the hype had desensitized me. Once I gave those games a second chance, I began to realize how kick ass they really were.
I do not agree with joystiqs opinion.
The look of pdz is next gen. The feel is yet to be determined. I dont believe that rare and microsoft have played all of their cards yet. They will show us more. None of us can actually judge a game until it has been played personally. I have seen plenty of movie reviews that were just plain wrong. Believe the hype. The 360 will bring gaming and gamers full circle.

Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Admittedly, a lot of my displeasure was based on the atmosphere in which I was playing. The monitor was small and a bit too dim. The chorus of nearby setups muffled the sound. And my immersion was hindered by being thrown into a random level somewhere along the course of the plot.

----

So, I take it you're not counting the days for a great FPS on PSP?

hehe
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Look guys and gals, those who want the 360 go buy it. THose who think nice videos makes a console great wait for the ps3. Those who are cheap and want a system that has shown no games and a nice remote wait for the revolution. Those who have a BA or better degree go out and buy them all like i plan to do.
Do these games look much better than the current gen xbox games, Hell ya. Do they play so much different? WHo knows. But to tell the truth there hasnt been a new type of game on a home console in a while. If you want something different, buy a DS. But the same people who are in here bitching about the DS and how great the PSP is and how ports for the PSP are better than new style games for the DS are the same people who are in here saying that better looking games for the 360 is missing something that makes them different. Make up your minds. THe system looks nice. The first gen games look alot better than anything on the current gen. The 2nd gen titles for the 360 look so much better than anything we have ever played on any system.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I really appreciate this review from you guys at joystiq. However, I still am going to purchase it with my Xbox 360. I've stopped putting much value in reviews and preview ever since Advent Rising was given all around low scores only because of graphics being poor for the standards of today and many minor (although quite inexcusable) glitches.

I hope that when I play the final version I disagree with you, because frankly, as much as I love Halo 2, I really wouldn't mind a new console game to take its place. Call of Duty 2 doesn't seem to be that type of game. I just hope that PDZ, infact, is.

I also have somewhat high hopes for this game because it's by Rare. I know that the folks that actually made Goldeneye and Perfect Dark left Rare and are the guys that work for EA that make Timesplitters. However, I'd like to think that Rare at least acknowledges the last company to make a new game with the same name as one of their old N64 games, Goldeneye: Rogue Agent, failed... miserably. Hope springs eternal.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Xbox fanboys are foaming at the mouth.

O God, an infidel, an impartial Joystiq writer dared to express his disappointment in their baby, their lover, their soul.

There is no better to enrage Xbox fanboys.

I bet their eyes are injected with blood too. ;)
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
jimbo, the reason they are comparing to launch titles to best of current-gen is because to make a purchase, a justification needs to be made that the new purchse will provide these certain benefits. If the launch titles do not provide a significant upgrade, then it would make sense to wait for the break through titles and purchase next gen hardwre a little later. Why would you then buy an xbox 360 right away when the games that take advantage of it will coome out one year later when the price will be lower anyway....???


Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Of all the xbox 360 release titles, this is the least appealing of the lot. Hardly any promotion or screen shots until now just before launch, probably because there's nothing worth showing off. I think the audience for this one is whomever is familiar with the original title.. but that excludes me. I agree with the reviewer, Call of Duty seems like the better FPS.

Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Honestly, I wont give up my hopes for this game until I have played it.

And ok, lets say this game is not good. What does it mean? Does it mean that the Xbox 360 is just a Xbox 1.5? Do bad launch titles mean, that the whole console is crap? No, its not. PGR3 is just using one core of the Xbox 360 and is looking awesome. Just guess how good the games look at the system's peak?

Look at Games like Mass Effect or Gears of War, thats surely how Next-Gen gaming will look like - and it will come
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I liked the character design of Johanna from the E3 a few years ago.

In some ways PDZ will be a lot like Halo: it's going to take a sequel to finish the things they didn't complete in the first one.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I'm amazed at how some of you react to someone's opinions of a game that most of you have only seen screenshots/vidoes of. Seriously, go outside and get some air before you post. No where in his mini-preview does he say that "DO NOT BUY THIS, IT SUCKS." Judge it for yourself when it comes out, but don't piss your pants for no reason.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
why is 360 a 1.5?
1. I mean get real the 360 hard drive is half the size 1 blu ray disk. (gee think of all the HD content you can fit on that crap hard disk, i mean there are ipods with more space). And wow I'm so looking forward to a wonderful 360 game, in 8 gigs or less. I mean get real! just check how much space your PS2 titles take up.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Ummm, not to be anal but Farcy Instincts doesn't run in HD, it runs in 480p. 480p is 1/3 the pixel count of a HD 720p display.

Farcry looks decent for an Xbox game, but put it up on a big screen TV and you'll quickly notice that it needs FSAA pretty badly.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
See Arch and mr. snrub,judging it for yourself seems to be too hard to do.

I mean,you figure someone who has a passion and joy to play games would judge a game by actually playing it but,I guess we all know the phrase about assuming things.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
kingkenny,
Thats why they are going to have bigger hard drives for sale dumbass. They aren't going to give you the biggest one and lose money on it, especially if most users wont use up all that space. Think before you post

I will still try this game out, but I've been hyping COD2 more than PD0. Im a huge fan of the COD series on the PC, and the xbox360's version looks amazing...
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
sliderpimp (#15)

"Hard Drives and online gaming should have been a standard 10 years ago...MS is the only company that seems to understand that."

Hate to break it to you (ok, I lied. I don't.), but...

1) xbox360 DOESN'T come standard with a hard drive. Not to mention that prior to you gaming newbies coming in at the Playstation, EVERY GAME had BUILT IN storage. There wasn't a NEED for hard drives.

2) While online play is on the rise, it is still only currently 43% of gamers who play games online. [source: http://www.theesa.com/facts/gamer_data.php] Now also keep in mind that this same 43% doesn't necessarily ONLY play online. Heck, I would fall into that category simply because I have played ut2k4 with my friends over the web. Yet, I would say that around 90-95% of my time spent gaming is either solo or with friends at my place. Factoring all of this in, I would say that online play is actually still fairly niche-market comparatively.

Furthermore, look at the sales firgures from 2004. A few have online capabilities, but those also have strong single or non-online mutliplayer experiences.

[source: http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/news/41228.shtml]

Now look at the all-time top selling video games. Out of the top 10, not a SINGLE ONE even HAS online play. (And as a side note, the top ten make a strong arguement as to why we won't see Nintendo bowing out any time soon).

[source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_video_games#Top_sellers:_all_platforms]
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Out of interest, how many people would like to see the original perfect dark ported to the 360 instead of a new romp, but with all the updated graphical whistels and bells (and online play of course)?

I mean, i'm not getting a 360, but i'd be more likely to if i could batter you all on Complex and Fecility... ahem, Felicity. I'd do it with the JUDO CHOP! too
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
actually slicknic, you are the dumbass for thinking that a dvd drive is cool in 2005, and that you are going to fit lots HD content on whatever premium hard drive they give you.

360 is a hole.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
__________________________________________________
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

Here's the real question.

DOES THE GAME HAVE GOOD SHADOWS?

__________________________________________________
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
kingkenny, yeah, and a 1x Blu-ray drive in 2008 is even cooler.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Oh no, here we go again, same old story on a different headline, EVERY Freaking single day I click on something in Joystiq. Well yeah Sony has this, well MS has this, and Nintendo have that. Ok PS3 is better, no way Xbox360 is, oh no, but don't disrespect Nintendo even though it's weaker, they got THE controller. This will go on and on until the end of next year when supposedly all 3 "next-gen" system will be out. My golly, let's just sit down and have a few cup of caffienated drink, alcohol if you prefer, and share our GAMING experiences instead of expressing our undying love for our favorite video game company.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
still don't get what people expect from the 360 beyond far improved graphics.
if you want revolutions get the console with that name. only that their graphics will in comparison according to nintendo not be so great and what you'll do most of the time with that controller is play games like Nintendogs Revolution.
Which will be perfectly fine for some people, just like new Mario and Pokemon games for it.
I somehow am not from that camp. Gears of War, Oblivion or Gotham Racing 3 looks revolutionary enough for me and delivers what I expect.
Revolution will be fine for some games, just as my DS just had two games for it bought in total I just don't think there will be more bought by me for the Revo. Serious "traditional" tried and true gaming will happen on the 360 and, if they ever show and ship it, the PS3.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
kingkenny
Again kingpenny, you aren't thinking. You wont be saving too much HD content on the drive because they have the Media center to stream HD content to the xbox360. You can upgrade to a bigger hard drive if you are the type of person who would want to save HD content on the hard drive. How many people would really want to do this? Not enough to force MS to lose money.
Where did blu-ray come into the picture? You wont be able to save HD content on a blu ray disk, only the developers can do that.
Think! Think! Think!
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
I must add: Follow OTAM's advice before you decide for yourself whether PDZ is good or bad.

This being said, don't buy it. Play a demo or rent it first. You do not want to reward Rare if the game ends up being bad.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
"You wont be able to save HD content on a blu ray disk, only the developers can do that."

What the hell are you talking about? Of course you can save HD content on on a Blu-Ray disc. As soon as the PS3 is out there will already be BD recorders on the market, (although very expensive) and you will be able to make custom BDs, just like you can do today with DVD media.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Don
you took that out of context. I was talking about the blu-ray drive that comes with the PS3...
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Re: KingKenny

You're comments are extremely uneducated. The size of the game disk is not a determinant of the game's quality. Most PS2 games are in the 2 gigabyte range (Except for RPGs) and most of the space is taken up by fmvs (Full Motion Video) not the actual game.

Game developers will be less dependant on FMVs in the future as they can probably run awesome quality sequences on the game engine, thus saving up lots of space.

Bottom Line, size doesn't matter ;-)
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
"if you want revolutions get the console with that name.... Revolution will be fine for some games"

post #38 (pooie)
Are you an advertiser lol? jk. I love when people play fanboy to stuff they:

a) haven't played
b) no one has played yet
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
Back the topic of PDZ, I was really disappointed to hear that there aren't any checkpoints in the middle of a level. I still don't understand why making me replay an entire level when I die at the very end is supposed to be more fun for me. Because it isn't. I don't give Rare any props for being "hardcore." If Microsoft really wants to expand the industry, then they should make games that focus on being fun for the gamer, not some sort of old-school boys-at-the-playground bragging rights shit.
Reply

Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:00PM (Unverified) said

  • 2 hearts
  • Report
"I popped in Far Cry Instincts (which I have rigged up in HD resolution)"

Huh? Far Cry doesn't support widescreen on Xbox.
Reply
Sorry, you must be logged in to leave a comment.

Featured Stories

WRUP: All the Reckoning

Posted on Feb 10th 2012 11:45PM

Xbox Live Indie Gems: Nyan Cat Adventure

Posted on Feb 10th 2012 10:15PM

Engadget

TUAW

Massively

WoW