Could the PS3 really be delayed until 2007?

bandit:

Do you think anyone will bother to read everything you just posted? I'll just get to the general idea.

First of all, nobody cares about developers opinions, first because I’m not going to work on game development this generation; and second because most of the ones you mentioned are fed directly from Microsoft's tit (Either PC game developers or exclusive Xbox developers; please). Oh, and Gabe Newell wasn't so happy with the 360 either. It has a multicore processor after all. So basically you are one of the idiots that he was talking about: You believed that the 360 was really THAT much powerful. Assuming PS3 is "not that much", at least it got the stupid Xbots out of their cloud at E3.

Second, nobody cares about detailed info on the tech specs. If specs were switched on the architecture level or middleware or whatever, all you tech idiot savants (because you aren't tech savvy) would have found a way to say that the 360 is better at that. I also wonder why you are all scarcely literate. The thing is, PS3 is more powerful. Get over it, 360 will (hopefully) have some games so it can lose this time only a billion instead of 4 billion.

"BTW its pretty difficult to sell a game console with no games for it. ;-D"

Indeed, that's why Xbox 1 pretty much lost this console war, not because it was launched a year later.

And the fact that you put up a list of games for a console that is out 6 months earlier than the next, doesn't mean they are all good games. Most seem mediocre. Gears of War looks like an Xbox 1 (ok, I’ll give you the .5) game (except for the CGI, lol).

Oh and it is not:

"Final Fantasy (XII?)"

It is XIII. XII is already coming out for PS2 (along with other awesome exclusive titles) to make the wait for PS3 and ditching 1.5 worth it.

List of idiotic statements in order of appearence

1) Do you think anyone bothered to read what you just posted?

-That would inply that that individual, anytime evidence is presented to them, fails to take initiative and educate themselves on the topic. As such there opinion is uninformed and should be ignored.

2) Nobody cares about developers opinions.

-Considering developers actually MAKE the games for the consoles I think its a good idea actually listen to people who get paid to work with the hardware on a daily basis. Saying no one cares what developers think is far beyond fanboyism down to pure idiocy and to be quite honest you have no place debating anything relating to video games with that type of attitude.

3)first because I’m not going to work on game development this generation

- This implies that you have worked on other titles in previous generations. Please give a listing of the development company, the project, and your position as I might know someone there or at least I could view your work. example - assistant art director for bethesda on elder scrolls oblivion project.

BTW its a very simple matter to obtain the full credits for any game.

4)and second because most of the ones you mentioned are fed directly from Microsoft's tit (Either PC game developers or exclusive Xbox developers; please).

Yes, Team Ninja always works for MS, as well as Epic who has a special contract with nvidia, te makers of the Ps3 Gpu and have a vested interest in claiming the Ps3 gpu is superior, as well as carmack and newell who despise consoles and constantly celebrate the PCs superior arch. For these individuals to individual repeat the exact same things about a platform shows the platforms strengths and weaknesses.

5)Oh, and Gabe Newell wasn't so happy with the 360 either. It has a multicore processor after all. So basically you are one of the idiots that he was talking about:

-Because multicore code writing is VERY difficult and expensive. Just be cause it has less cores does not make the 360 a walk in the park. The difference is the usage of cache and memory latency. The 360 has excellent tools to predict and debug. The PS3 has none to very poor tools for the same purpose. The problem is is compounded the more dissimilar the cores and the more cores you add. With a lack of decent tools the for the architecture the PS3 is sorely lacking in that arena. Especially considering the how long it took for developer to get a compiler from Sony.

6)You believed that the 360 was really THAT much powerful. Assuming PS3 is "not that much", at least it got the stupid Xbots out of their cloud at E3

-I suggest you learn to read (although I doubt you would then, judging from your last post)
I CLEARLY stated the xbox 360 is the best platform for gaming. It has the ability and potential based on the platform as a whole to create amazing games within a smaller time frame and at lower cost then the PS3, no matter how you slice it, the more resources such time and money you can devote to a project the better. I have yet to see a game which has gotten worse when its budget and time to market increased. To to put it simply if you like big number then I suggest you get a tractor trailer as it has a huge engine and 18 wheels, then I like to take you on with my (not as powerful) porshe carrea. I mean by your reasoning you obviously will kick the snot out of my porshe with your much more powerful engine and 18 wheels compared to my mere 4...

7) Second, nobody cares about detailed info on the tech specs

- I would think developer would but since your not a developer then your right you dont care. Just the people MAKING the games need to care.

8)If specs were switched on the architecture level or middleware or whatever,

- what the heck are you taking about?!??! Are you sure you are a developer?!? What architecture would you switch to? x86? and obviously you dont know middleware is third party software and can be readily added after a console conpletion. whatever is right because you certainly have no idea what you are talking about.

9) all you tech idiot savants (because you aren't tech savvy) would have found a way to say that the 360 is better at that.

-Please see above before even making a comment like that. But yes if the 360 had the exact same specs as the ps3 the 360 would be better because the development environment would be (likely) be better. IF the 360 had as poor a development environment as the Ps3 then yes it would likely be the worse console of all three (yes even the revolution) the development environment makes that much of a difference.

10)The rest of this is just fanboy garbage. Gears of War cannot be done on xbox 1 you are an idiot period. It also features all cutscenes done in engine and its PLAYABLE. All on a single core meaning its using 1/3 of it potential processing power (not really but I'll dumb it down for you) Basically take your garbage elsewhere because all you have are idle threats.

I am pro- MS because, at least as for as game consoles are concerned they have far and away the best platform available of all three nex generation consoles. PERIOD. You can argue it all you want but find me one quote from any developer who has made that comment about the Ps3 and then we know who will get the games and developer support. Also riddle me this. Why does the Ps3 continue to LOSE game titles while the 360 continues to INCREASE its planned titles?!?!

You must plan on using you ps3 for a coffee table or grill as it certain doesnt seem (from your comments) that you actually plan on playing games on it.

Um the battle between Xbox360 and PS3 is more a economics and marketing battle not a technology battle.

Last generation Sony PS2 was less powerful than Xbox yet had the first mover advantage.This allowed for a huge installed base which breeds more installed base for PS2.The technology was irrelevant.

This time Microsoft has the first mover advantage with the less powerful hardware.Add on top of that Microsoft is doing a worldwide lauch at the same time which will speed up how fast Microsoft's installed base grows.

Oh and Microsoft has XBox Live which WILL change the game

bandit,

I read all your posts (took a few minutes) but when you mentioned Tecmo producer and Team Ninja head honcho Tomonobu Itagaki, you basically lost any credibility you might have had with me. That guy is a legend in his own mind. He's in bed with Microsoft, so of course he's going to bad mouth the PS3.

Look, the PS2 was a challenge to develop for but look how successful it was. The PS3 looks to be the same and anyone who criticizes it is simply being LAZY!!

It's nice that you took the time to post but dude, lighten up. Millions of people are still having a blast with their PS2's and LOTS of awesome games have been released recently, with many more to come this holiday season.

Hell, I'm thinking seriously about getting a PS2 Slim for Christmas, NOT A 360!! I've never had any problems with my PS2, nor have any of my family or friends. Playing God Of War right now and about to get started on Soul Calibur 3. Oh yeah, Shadow Of The Colossus is freakin' awesome!!

:-D

Why in hell would I want to spend $500.00 on a 360? It's basically just an Xbox with slighty improved graphics. It is rushed and offers nothing new.

Better to use that $500.00 to get some PS2 games, which there are literally DOZENS of good ones to buy this holiday season.

All those cool PS2 games will be keeping people plenty busy for quite some time. Busy until the PS3 arrives and totally wipes the floor with the Xbox 1.5 (whoops).

Mark B,

He barely lost credibility to you? Man, he never had credibility in the first place. Just look at all his posts before the last one. The last one obviously got a spell check in order to sound like an intellectual, but he's just merely a pseudo-intellectual (and that's a compliment for him).

If he was as tech savvy as he thinks, he wouldn't be that pro-MSFT in the first place. He would know that every "positive" comment the 360 got was from 2nd Party developers and especially PC game makers, which is funny because it matter much less if they have a contract with nVidia, because nVidia isn't Sony anyway; what a total moron.

Since he's managed to get as much biased info as it gets, I’ll leave him the work to research equally biased (or less) to see which companies gave Kudos to Sony's system, which are several. I'm sure someone with no life like him, such as to write eight huge posts in a row (let alone all the ones before those), knows where to get that info.

Unless of course, he wants to keep acting like a preconceiving dipshit and still disregard the fact that both the PS3 and the Revolution are several months away from the 1.5 launch. Oh well, Xbox fanboys are useless.

The best thing is, I’m getting all three systems sooner or later because I can and I'm a gamer, and he'll just stick with the only thing 1.5 can do: Play sequels old fashioned style. (read: Nothing new)

'Why in hell would I want to spend $500.00 on a 360? It's basically just an Xbox with slighty improved graphics. It is rushed and offers nothing new.'

Dear Mark B,

Why in the hell would I want to spend an (insert big amount of money here) on a PS3? It's basically a PS2 with better graphics. It doesn't even have a release date yet and it offers nothing new in gaming, either.

Yours truly,
Beeves

And furthermore, I would like to see proof that the X360 will cost $500. If you are able to provide me with it, I will keep quiet about it. But don't think that the PS3 will be cheap, either,because it certainly doesn't look it.

'Busy until the PS3 arrives and totally wipes the floor with the Xbox 1.5 (whoops).'

Will you shut up with all these 'Xbox 1.5' comments? And I hate how you immediately predict the future, and that the 'PS3 will wipe the floor with Xbox 360'. Sony won't keep on being number one forever.

Fanboy.

And I didn't say that the PS2's early release was 'the' reason it was so successful, but that it was one of the reasons.

Bandit - thanks for the info, but I must admit, you have a lot of time on your hands.

let me translate:

Dear Mark B,

Why in the hell would I want to spend 600 USD on a PS3 with an already included 80 HDD in the price and that's exaggerating? It's basically a PS2 with better graphics, Blu-ray movies, 1080p resolution, true backwards compatibility for playing the best gaming library offered in the last 10 years, and 32 times more powerful. It doesn't even have a release date yet, even if nobody cares, as long as great PS2 games like Shadow of Colossus, Kingdom Hearts 2, FF7 Dirge of Cerberus and FFXII keep coming out, and it offers nothing new in gaming, either, except huge 54 Gigabyte games, which will help in not allowing the processor to waste valuable game processing time decompressing data, and Eye-toy to allow for extremely vivid action games, not just a microphone, not to mention that you don't have to pay for online gaming AND it has everything else the 360 has, but optimized.

Yours truly,
Beeves

If he was as tech savvy as he thinks, he wouldn't be that pro-MSFT in the first place.

What a load of bull. Oh no microsoft is going to take over the world and own our souls... just shut the f*** up. I know this might come as a shock, but there are some tech people out there who can think for themselves and who don't follow blindly all this 'M$FT' crap. You know what? Linux is an elitist pile of shit. Macs are over-rated. Windows crashes. Sony is just a money-grabbing whore as any other company - including microsoft. And no I don't work for MS or have any affiliation with them.

Fanboys. The lot of you.

Thank you for your insightful opinion, Jim.

Your input is very much appreciated.

You do seem a bit tense though. Why don't you go have a few tokes and relax some.

:-D

Nobody seems concerned about Sony taking over the world. They're all big corporations. Deal with it people. If Sony were to wait until 2007 for the PS3, and with no unified online game service, they're sure to shoot themselves in the foot.

Nooooooo.

I'll side with bandit. Mark B and bd (former b) are too jaded to even be objective in all this. bandit at least cites credible sources meanwhile bd, et al. have to keep pretending their PS3 will deliver on all the goods, including the Toy Story graphics and online service (oops, hmm). They have too much confidence in obvious VAPORWARE. But, at least they will have a full year, if not more, to solidify their [supposed] claims about the PS3 greatness. Meanwhile, those of us who really do not care about 'console wars' will be playing the 360- for a long, long time before the avid diehard fanboys of Sony.

Maybe by the time it comes out we will have forgetten all this and the baseless claims of superiority. Though I noticed on a post from today on another thread that bd (former b) is becoming a little more level headed... I hope for the best.

Grindstone:

This is an old thread, LOL. Anyway, yeah, I admit I'm harsh on the 360, so? I'm gonna get all three consoles. That won't stop me from criticizing all three consoles. For example, I'm sure I'm gonna love Xbox LIVE, but still I'm much more excited for PS3, let alone revolution. I'm not very impressed with 360.

I stopped giving a shit about bandit's posts because nobody wants to read about hardware and specs; this is not a Tech site, for that there are a ton others. I also stopped responding to most of his quotes because he became a tireless rebutter, and I got pretty much tired. Just look at the "discussion" I had with another self assumed "tech savvy" in the Ridge Racer 360 thread; he gets down to technical details going against common sense. I didn't want the same discussion again, so I just thought "fuck it, not again".

I know it's a two week old thread, but the point is still debated (much like politics). I understand your point though- after a while, it becomes futile reposting the same ol' arguments.

By the end of the day (and by that I mean once we have all the consoles), I think you will be of the opinion that there is not much difference between the contenders, and that regardless of all the rantings here at joystiq, people will have still bought the console that makes them happy. I am not as fortunate as you to buy all 3, nor 2 for that matter, so you will obviously have the upper hand in that case.

It is curious to note, though, we're one week from the 360 launch, and Sony hasn't said anything- not even a "it's worth the wait" statement. Msoft continues to garner press accolades and Sony remains silent. A little distrubing, IMO.

I'll see about your Ridge Racer comments as well.

Sony continues to have nothing to show. All they can do is watch how the Xbox360 does and go from there. If it does really well, they may be forced to release the PS3 early. If it doesn't do well, the PS3 will be pushed back.

Although the general press has made it an uphill battle for the Xbox360. A Killzone movie and MGS4 movie was enough to sell mostof them on the PS3. The lack of online support and the strange controller and size of the console hasn't dissuaded them. Even free silver and an impressive line up hasn't impressed most gaming sites.

A Killzone movie and MGS4 movie was enough to sell mostof them on the PS3

Yea. Prerendered... Sony's the best.

stupid fan boy

this is a very old thread, and i dont know if anyone is going to even read this, but yeah, its pretty much confirmed that these rumors are floating about cuz of xbox fan boys. like i said, i went to eb games and that guy told me that. then just the other day a best buy employee told me the same thing when i was playing the 360, and at the same time he was praising it for how "awesome" it is. he to claims to know a beta tester. these dudes are just saying this to start rumors and they think that they are hot shit cuz people believe them.

To begin with, anyone who thinks the PS3 won't be out in time for Christmas 06 is a fucking idiot. There is no way Sony would let 360 have two unchallenged holiday shopping seasons. Whether he PS3 will be released in April or November is very debatable but it will come out in 06.
As to which console will be the best and sale the most, Sony will continue to dominate. from a hardware standpoint the PS3 is superior. It's not going completely crush the 360 but it definitely has the edge. The GPUs are pretty close but the cell processors will dominate. It is also the only console with 1080p, 7 wireless controllers at one time, and blu-ray (or any sort of next gen disc format for that matter). And everyone knows Nintendo won't compete technologically.
Of course the most important thing to look at is which console will have the best games. If you only play first person shooters then go ahead and get a 360 (but only if you can't afford a decent PC). sports fans should get the PS3 for the better graphics and racing fans should get PS3 for GT. That pretty much covers the 360s entire library (except for Ninja gaiden and Elder Scrolls, although NG could be on PS3: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617876p1.html) Elder Scrolls does look good but just like all those shooters you're better off playing it on PC. ALthough very little has been announced about the REvolution, it is almost certain that Nintendo will continue to rape the corpses of its 20 year old franchises. I hope all you fanboys are pumped up for Super Mario: Super Star Figure Skating. And now lets pretend for a moment that Nintendo gets some third party support. The only type of game that could work on that controller is an RPG. The whole thing is a gimmick. It could've been an interesting peripheral but it the most gamers will want a real controller. Nintendo fanboys, try to imagine playing RE4 or Metroid Prime with that controller. If you want the Nintendo experience go pick up a used N64 or NES. Now why do I think PS3 will have great games? Sony has the most third party support (and great first party development), the widest variety of games, and amazing exclusive franchises that are returning for the PS3. The PS2's (and the PS1's) library dominated every genre except FPS, even though it did have enough FPSs to keep me (a fan of the genre) satisfied.
Lets take a look at the history of console games over the past 10 years. When the original PS was released it dominated its generation outselling the N64 4:1. This generation the PS2 has sold over 90 million units worldwide. Coming in a very distant second is the xbox with a little over 20 million. and then there's the Gaycube with 15 million sold worldwide. Despite its impressive domination Sony could still lose some of its market share to the 360 (consumers don't always make educated purchases), but for PS3 to not outsell the rest would be the most drastic loss of market share in the history of the console wars. Not going to happen. Nintendo could very easily die this generation. Gaming is an expanding market but Nintendo continues to become farther removed from what people want. If it's cheap enough it could become a niche console that PS3 or 360 owners buy on the side, but unless Nintendo makes some serious changes to their strategy they won't be a serious contender for console supremacy. For all you fanboys and Nintendo employees saying "Its time for the revolution" and thinking that this console will actually change gaming forever, get a grip on reality. This is the real world and your gaming revolution is about as likely to happen as a Marxist revolution.
Now I'm sorry that I can't continue writing but my new issue of Game Informer just arrived with a MGS4 cover story. So please excuse me and feel free to post your 'PC developers think its easier to port their FPSs to Microsofts console' or 'Mario is the greatest and I like playing games with a TV remote' comments.

If the ps2 is so good why are people waiting for the ps3, the same reason people want a 360 it is a upgrade. Most people did not have a lcd, dlp, plasma, hdtv or sonys lcos tv for there ps2 or xbox. But the ones who can afford it are going to spend at least $1500 - $2500 for a tv for a console ie ps3/360. You only live once get what you want, stay american and happy gaming.

Is anyone foolish enough to believe that PS3 will release in the US this Sping!!! They have yet to show a single playable game running on even an alpha kit. They had no real games at last years E3 demoed. They have never shown real hardware, the box we saw at E3 had no heat vents...it was not real. They didn't have PS3 on show floor at E3, only during big media blitz announcement.

It takes a good 6 months to build up marketing effort for console release. MS started at this years E3 in May. If Sony were really going to release PS3 in Spring 06 in US, we would be seeing some of the marketing machine already.

All we've seen so far is words to dissuade people from buing 360 now as if they will really get PS3 out anytime soon. In Japan MS will have at least 6 month lead, US will be at least a year. Europe...God only knows when they will see their PS3's. Remember the huge delay between US and Europe launch of Sony handheld.

Europe is known to have the greatest potential for growth in gaming, Sony will be way behind in this region.

Don't believe the hype. I think all of you PS3 hold outs will be very dissapointed in a year when you realize...Jee no PS3 and I've missed out on a year or more of Next Gen gaming.

It will be a long time before the 360 sees any real next gen titles. probably not until after E3. MS didn't allow enough time for developers to create truly next gen games. Sony on the other hand is taking their time to make sure that the PS3 and its game live up to all the hype.

If PS3 is coming out in 2007 sony is just delaying the destuction of xbox and nintendo because sony's upcoming games like metal gear solid 4, killzone 2 and the next gta will be better then any other game revolution or 360 has.

I know this is a bit old...but...

"And I don't "settle" for just any product or game system. The 360 needs to have more than two or three good games worth buying, before I would even remotely consider getting it.

I'm waiting for the PS3. Deal with it and enjoy your Xbox 1.5 (whoops I mean 360). :-D"

as if the PS3 will launch with an entire library of top-notch titles. hahaha. expect the same number of games the 360 had. MGS will be the big one, other than that a bunch of sports games ports from the 360 and a few lesser known titles.

Not hating the PS3, but to assume it will launch with some "steallar" lineup with oodles of good games to buy is ridiculous. Please don't say "oh but I can play all my PS2 games on it" this is ridiculous. I have a 360, and 15 of my 20 XBOX games are on the list. I've played ONE of them for a matter of minutes. Backwards compatibility on consoles is a sales gimmick that like 1 out of 10 people actually use.

The 360 has MUCH better graphics than most assume. 8/10 people who say this, havent actually played it to appreciate it. PDZ looks 10 times better than a current gen game. PS3 will be a good system, but it's not going to "Kill" the 360.

Stupid fanboys.

hehe

I'm just confused if what my friend says although stupid he may be -Cough- Brian.



He says that 3 cells=1 core. But if 3 cells=1 core and the PS3 has 7 cells & 1 core doesn't that mean it has 3 cores and 1 cell?



And if it is overheating then they could just put in a coolant for the system its all to simple to fix so I say... BRING ON THE PS3!!!!

hey #2 your comment just proved that 80% of nintendo fanboys havent even passed grade 3 yet