Nintendo responds to Epic's Revolution disdain

OMFG...I was not changing the rules...I WAS CORRECTING WHAT HE WAS SAYING!!! That is not the same thing!!!

...also just b/c you used your thumb to control something doesn't automatically mean it was a thumbstick.

If the Revolution is like the DS with next gen graphics, count me out. And just how next gen its graphics will be have yet to be seen. From what im hearing so far its not looking good for them.

Nintendo has gone from one of the most loved companies to one of the most annoying and hated companies at this time. Theres no way in hell im buying a Nintendo system just to play Mario and Zelda, some people are really brainwashed. They better pick up 3rd party support then maybe just maybe Ill consider them for a second system next to my 360.

Theres actually one game that I would instantly buy a Revolution for, a second Eternal Darkness, but seeing how Silicon Knights jumped ship from Nintendo (much like many 3rd parties) I dont see that happening.

If you check your N64 box (I just did), they call it an "analog control stick"... and that's straight from the Nintendo.

I have seen people use the N64 controller like a joystick (thumb and finger), so by your arguement... just because people use an "analog control stick" with their thumbs, or thumbs and fingers doesn't automatically mean it is a thumbstick either.

I think part of the problem here, is that you are confusing innovation with invention/creation. I agree that Nintendo is innovative, but they didn't: "3. Created the analog joystick (N64)".

"3. Created the analog joystick (N64)" is what my arguement has been about all along.

Basically, to settle the squabbling, Nintendo didn't INVENT the idea of a joystick-shaped input device. They simply APPLIED it differently in their game system.

Just like the haven't INVENTED the wireless controller, or the touch screen lcd, or gyroscopic and motion-sensing technology.

But, their distinction and innovation, is in their APPLICATION of the aforementioned technology.

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"And just how next gen its graphics will be have yet to be seen. From what im hearing so far its not looking good for them."

You must be blind or something b/c recent articles have come out saying that you won't be able to tell much a difference between Revo, the PS3 and the X360. Something doesn't need to be big in order to be powerful.

#51:

geez...and since you weren't able to figure it out, he meant analog THUMBstick!!! Is that so hard to figure out on your own?

That's scary looking Yoshi behind him. Like Zombie-Yoshi! Yikes!

Navstar - haha. And everyone else: the joystick mess is a bit off-topic and everyone is just running circles and no one is about convince anyone else their opinion or choice of wording or perspective, etc. Let's stay on topic - no more joystick mess.

#41: In order to apply the Unreal Engine to the Nintendo Revolution, Epic would have to re-comile it specifically for the Revolution. Each gaming console runs off of a similar, yet decidedly different, programming language, and, because of this, the Unreal Engine would have to be "translated" so it could be understood by the Revolution. And that takes time and money, especially when you are dealing with possibly millions of lines of code.

*Thumbstick boys: #52 is correct. Technology is one thing - being able to apply it is another. The first television was a single white line emitting across a charged screen, but is that how we think of a television nowadays?
And you should understand that there was an incorrect word-choice in robert's comment (Joystick vs. Analog Stick), but I think most people would agree that these terms are often interchanged.

Man, how far this has gone from the original intent of the article...

Oh, and another thing... About gimmicky games: Nintendo have always done a good job of filtering out crappy games (and a MUCH better job than PS). And, because it, after all, is NINTENDO'S CONSOLE, it probably means that Nintendo will have to give the go-ahead to these add-ons, as well.

#57:

Ok well you are probably right about UE3 but for all we know they (or someone else) maybe working on that already but they won't make it known until the Revolution has been fully unveiled.

'Cause I'm... back from the dead... everlast comin' back... YO WEIRDOS!!! been a long time since i've tried to post something on this pro-$ony love-M$ blog... lol... I've been reading the comments & "MAMAMIA" as would say our plumber pal, I can't believe that people(posts#:2,8,10,21,22,24,30) really think what they're writting!!!Thanx there are good posts: #1,11,15,19,27,31,52...
1st of all do anybody has any kind of interest in real life??? you know breathing air, eating, socialising with people, working & beeing able to work, knowing the world we live in, beeing aware of what surrounds us, the planet, politics, economics, science, culture... well life I mean, because if so, one should know that life for youngsters & humans in general has not been always as we know it now. I mean M$ represents the opposite of what allows us today to enjoy a good free, honest & loving life; giving bucks to them is cuting the branch where you stand, you should know that M$ is one of the worst companies in the world, they want to dominate the world, they spie on us with their sofware, they help the U.S. governement to spie on everybody, they spie other companies, stealing their projects, they use & abuse of dumping wich should be firmly prohibited & punished, they push hard on economic liberalisation wich is a very bad thing indeed since the only ones who gains with it are the yet overpower/rich ones who help Bill to desregulate the market (I wonder why... not to make the world a more egalitary & fair place for sure...lol), they don't have any problem in having their products beeing manufactured in poor countries by children working in near slave conditions, they are only interested in the wallet of us, "rich" occidental kids( we represent less than 80% of the youth population worldwide...) their only goal is to make money, quick no matter what & you would surely know how well intended they are towards you if you should go living in south asia & all of a sudden became poor, they would "gently" offer you a "job" (16 hours work at least, underpaid, security is a tale, with no rights of any kind least the right to die workin' & shut up!!!). You should know what are the REAL costs of them being able to sell you their prodcuts... that said I sincerely don't know how someone can decently buy M$ products, & if you say that you don't care, that all you want is to play, then maybe you deserve to be smashed crossing the road by a driver who all that he wants is to drive. Buying M$ is like spitting in the air, it's like W. Bush ecologic policy: an insult to intelligence...sour lol.then come your arguments but since nor $ony nor M$ passed the previous arguments, I guess it's a one choice pick!

Dude your entire post was an assault on the english language and grammar.

I f you are interested in what I said upper, go to Kotaku blog, this blog must be done by Bill Gates himself, almost only Xblok 360 banalities, no news, propaganda... pics of every M$ no-one executive selling blabla, there's even a link to join the marines in case you want to get killed in Bagdad or kill innocent civilians, like in stOOpid videogames I know & believe it or not the link is related to M$... that tells enough

sorry about grammar, i'm not american nor english, really sorry (spy & not spie & other stuff...)I try to improve myself by reading good american litterature... I sincerily apologise...
PS: read Philip Roth's "the human stain" great reading!!!

Regardless, this is a VIDEO GAME blog site...not some place to spew out garbage or paranoia.

...and show a little respect to our US Marines btw...regardless of how you feel about any conflict, they are amongst the bravest soldiers of any countries military.

I have one thing to say to this guy: PLEASE MAKE A PRESS CONFERENCE TELLING EVERY GAMER THE SAME THING.

#8: I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Are you saying you play FPSs with just one hand? You don't put your left hand on WASD and your right on the mouse? Or perhaps you play console FPSs with one hand, instead of using the standard dual analog setup every console FPS has used since, well since Goldeneye (although it used the C buttons since the n64 controller only had one analog stick)? I'm not saying the Revmote will be better than the current standard, but it can't be any more counterintuitive.

#10: I don't know. Everyone said they knew how computers were going to work, until the first GUI appeared. Then everyone knew how computers were going to work, until we ended up with the internet. And everyone just knew some things wouldn't work in video games, until nintendo introduced the D-pad. As technology changes, what we know to be true changes with it. After all, I defy you to take games like Meteos and Kirby Canvas Curse, and remove the touch screen functionality from them, and still have them be decent games. Just because one man doesn't see how it will work doesn't mean it won't work. I don't see how they're going to use the revmote to play Super Smash Bros., but I'm willing to wait until either they say they can't do it, or they figure out something I've missed.

#22: You may not, but I have a friend who picked up a PDA, and ended up playing games on it more than keeping notes, but then, he's an ubergeek, he does things like that.

#51: Really? I've not seen much hate from Nintendo, even my friends who don't have a GCN express nothing but joy when I bring mine over to play games with them. And the reason people are so hardcore for the new Mario/Zelda/Metroid games is not because we particularly care about the franchises. It's because we know Nintendo cares, and those particular franchises always see the most work, and usually end up with the best gameplay. No, they're not the only good games for the system, but I have a lot of 3rd party games for the cube I enjoy as well. If you want to complain about the lack of 3rd party support on the gamecube, then blame everyone who didn't buy one. Nintendo had great 3rd party support from the beginning, but since people wouldn't buy the games, persisted in thinking the system was just for kids, so wouldn't buy the system, 3rd parties stopped making games for it, because they couldnt' sell it. Take Resident Evil 4. It's lauded as one of the best games of this generation. In many people's eyes it blows Halo & Halo 2 collectively out of the water. The Gamecube version came out before the PS2 version and looks much better. And I guarantee you it will sell anywhere from 5 to 10 times as many units on the PS2. Is that Nintendo's fault? No, it's yours, the consumer, for buying a crappier product (and anyone who denies the PS2 is a crappy product is obviously a fanboy. I mean, I love all 53 of my PS2 games, but the hardware is the buggiest, weakest crap of this generation) when something better is sitting right next to it, and costs less. If the Xbox had more than about 10 decent games, I'd rate it over the PS2 as well (I have all 10 of those games, plus some btw).

#57: That's true. But I'm actually wondering if there are any games on the gamecube that use the Unreal Engine, because the Rev is using the GCN API, so anything that runs on the cube will run on the Rev, just not as well as something optimized for Rev would. Anyway, it's not beyond developers to hack the engine to work with the Rev, it's been done before.

Sorry, no opinions of my own, I'm not the type to take other people's word for things. I'll wait till I play it myself.

Mark Rein has no vision or has been bought.

I'd also like to point out that Nintendo's response shows a lot of class in my opinion.

JC:

Look at or call it however you want. Nintendo invented the thumbstick. And you didn't get the point about the programming of the games for the joystick; what I meant is:

Were those games you mentioned programmed to function with continuous movement? That is, did they have 360° rotational sensitive movement, or could you just "move forward/back, and to the left/right at the same time"? It's doubtful any of those games you mentioned worked like any N64 game worked with the thumbstick.

And yes, they invented it because the fact that you could move a joystick before as an analog one doesn't mean it worked like one. Nintendo implemented analogue better than anyone before; hell, they were the only ones to do it, no one ever did that before. And nobody before made a "thumbstick", or however it's called; those joysticks were used with the whole hand, and you merely used your thumb to press a button; the thumbstick in N64 didn't have a button, and you could not control it with your whole hand (unless you are a hamster).

So what nintendo did is:

1. Invented the analog thumbstick
2. Invented the implementation of analogue programming (that is, a system that calculated vectors using the analogue input from the controller, as opposed to a mix of digital inputs that made Wolfenstein or whatever other games you played seem like they were played in an analogical form)

No other console used that before nintendo showed the N64 controller; Neither analogue programming, nor thumbsticks. Your "wisdom" has been rendered useless.

"No other console used that before nintendo showed the N64 controller; Neither analogue programming, nor thumbsticks." is much better than "3. Created the analog joystick (N64)"

Thank you for fixing your post.

...for the record, Choplifter did use variable throw / variable action. Basically an analog joystick is nothing more than two paddles. You have an X axis and a Y axis that the joystick moves through. Simple variable resistors are contolled by where the joystick is in it's grid... changing the relative voltage for each axis. Without getting too technical, let me just say that if you moved the joystick a little to the left, the aircraft moved slowly, if you move the joystick all the way then the aircraft moved fast.

Hey #60 could you PLEASE run your posts through an ENGLISH spell checker next time?
Thanks...


Oh... one more thing.
You have no room to insult our country's armed forces!
Just do a little research and look into how many of our brave men and women died fighting for FORIEGN SOIL. (See WW1 and WW2 Euro campaigns and Viet Nam first) Then if you still feel the same about the Marines or any other US military branch...please do the world a favor and off yourself in the most painfull way possible

Ok... now that that is out of the way....
I do have to say, to judge the Revolution this early is damn near retarded. Same with the 360 or PS3. The truth is we can't really judge a console untill atleast its 2nd generation of games come out. Launches are launches... 99.99% HYPE and .001% truth (or less when talkin about the PS2 launch or any other Sony product) Im getting a 360 first, cause...well its the first out. Then a revolution (mainly for my wife) Then my PS3, Why? Cause Im a "hardcore" gamer. Whatever the F*** that means...
In all of this I will most likly have a favorite, but im not gonna argue like a damn fanboy or sling mudd about one or the other.
So why cant everyone else agree to disagree and just enjoy the games
We should always be 1 community who cares if its PS3, 360, Revo., or PC we play.
WE ALL HAVE ONE COMMON ENEMY!
JACK THOMPSON!

Alright... got my rant out of my system... have a groovy night... Peace!
-Ghetto Assassin

To Jago and jc:

Some words of wisdom. "Fighting on the internet is like taking part in the Special Olympics, even if you win you're still retarded."

Seriously guys, enhance your calm.

#41 - seeing that the Unreal Engine 2 did not and DOES not support the Gamecube (but DID support the PS2 and Xbox along with the PC), and that the Gamecube tech is very similar to the Rev's in some ways (as the N guys have stated) I'd hardly say that my conclusion that Unreal Engine 3 will not support the Revolution "based on nothing."

*Especially* given Mark Rein's jackassery - I think it's highly unlikely that you will ever see a game on the Revolution that uses the Unreal Engine technology.

"*Especially* given Mark Rein's jackassery - I think it's highly unlikely that you will ever see a game on the Revolution that uses the Unreal Engine technology."

Like anyone gives a shit. Why not make or use an original engine, for a change?

Looks like Mark Rein just got a
*~Corporate Bitchslap~*

Merrick laid the smackdown.

Mark Rein is soon to be a dinosaur just like all doubters of Nintendo's innovation.
I was impressed on day one of that controller idea & have the vision to understand what that truly will do for gameplaying.
I have no doubt Nintendo will pull it off.
NONE WHATSOEVER.

These guys remind me you of the guys who said the earth was flat, that man can never fly, that you can't go past heaven (outerspace).
Exhibitions of their own limitations.

If one has the knowledge, one can do ANYTHING.

Nintendo has the knowledge. Get ready for the Revolution....as 'Unreal' as that may sound to you now.
(it won't later)

John Lucas

Boi, I get so tired of hearing the same BS comments time after time ...
' nintendo made a mistake on the controller '
' nintendo make gimmicky games"
' nintendo are a '' kiddy " company '

blah! blah! blah! TURN THE DAM PAGE PLEASE, its getting boring!

The same was said about the DS and look at it now ...

NO ONE ( apart from nintendo themselves ) have seen the machine in action.

I-N-T-E-R-A-C-T-I-N-G on the screen, WHAT THE F*** WRONG WITH THAT?????????????

I think some of you ' players ' need to open your eyes as well as your mind to the things that you could do.

OPEN THEM EYES HATERS, YOU MIGHT SEE SOMETHING!!!!!!!

: )

Wait, he talked garbage about Nintendo, and now Nintendo wants to send him a dev kit?

WHAT THE F*CK?!