Would you upskirt Chun-Li? Japanese hobbyists would.
by Christopher Grant 
{ Dec 2nd 2005 at 1:00AM }
Inverted Castle brings us news of a group of Japanese hobbyists who've made an all girl fighting game roughly
translated as "Line-Kill Spirits". What makes this
title unique is the inclusion of upskirts as a gameplay mechanic.
Sure, sex is on full display in titles like Dead or Alive, but this is a little weird. Hunty writes, "That's
it. The Japanese are done. They can now return to planet Japania, leaving all the people of Earth horribly confused and
scarred for life."
Oh, and there's a video.
[Thanks, Hunty]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
bertram @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
there's twisted people in every culture. it's no reason to stereotype an entire nation.
Brody Brooks @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
While that is plain, simple fanservice, the game looks fun! No, I'm not in it to wank off at panty shots. Just the concept is hilarious! Where can you download it?!
ZeroCorpse @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Right. And they can take their used-panty vending machines, tentacle rape movies, and peepee-cola with them.
Japania... That explains SO much.
appleseed @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
japans nuts
Sieth @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Nothing new really, walk into any used software store in tokyo and you will find way worse games. I think about 90% maybe more of young japanese males are super pervs, maybe more. Kind of a creative idea though.
And dont knock calpis until you try it. Not a bad drink.
Dimitri Plabato @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
wow, the creators of that game sure are perverted. But then again, Dead or Alive has more jiggle than a bowl of jello so it's not that bad. It looks like an interesting fighting game though.
vrf @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Every nation has sick people. You just ran a story the other day about guys getting off on nude Warcraft elves. Hunty should know better than to lump all Japanese in with a few pervish video gamers. And Christopher should know better than to quote him.
Cantor @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
I think it's the after effects of the nukes dropped to end WWII, it would explain why wierdness consistently stems from Japan. lingering radiation
michaelk @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
It's not the weirdest japanese thind I've heard of. That's still the anime pillows, or maybe the bully porn. They still make awesome robots though.
michaelk @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
No, I remember what's weirdest. It's the people who dress in full latex costumes of anime characters. It's not cosplay but like furries. That's just disturbing.
some_young_guy @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
I've been to Japan, and it's very true. A lot of men have fetishes for upskirt shots and school girl outfits. But if the game sells, then why not? The makers would be targeting a very unique demographic, that's for sure.
gramps @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Is this here the fancy new Xbox 360 graphics I have been hearing about?
Qubit @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
OMFG, Thats great! They need to make more games like this, especially in the United States. Our culture is too uptight, I've heard about people who thought they were going to hell because they had "bad thoughts" (and "other actions"). People are hard on themselves over here, and have little tolerance.
Conn @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Oh man, imagine if this was ported to the 360. The 360 would DOMINATE Japan.
justchris @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
I think it's hardly fair to call this perverted. As a culture Japan is somewhat more open, and they happen to enjoy look at women's asses. Guys in other countries enjoy it, too, a vicarious thrill. And, no matter what the country, there are gonna be a few people who take something tittilating to the extremes of fetishism, but that doesn't make the base idea any more perverted.
codered @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
What western people think of as "weird" and "peverted" does not mean that everyone in the world HAS to share that view, you are not the center of the universe, not everyone is peverted if they think differently than you do, and this game looks hilarious.
Ian Charles @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
I agree with Brody Brooks, the game looks like its just a bit of fun.
CorporateWhore @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Cultural differneces ... I find it disgusting that you can buy guns over the counter in the states. Games that have murder and mindless violence as a main game play mechanic are obviously not twisted and perverted in any way. People in glass houses ... and all that.
scott @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Enough with the Puritan mask, Halloween is over. This is in no way limited to Japan. We all want to see the camel toe. Whether in video games, in volleyball, in gymnastics, or ice skating. Yeah, I know you know what I'm talking about.
Jack @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Whatever floats your boat, but I find it strange that this article is praising dead and alive volleyball but this is weird cause Japanese guys have a fetish for upskirts not skimmy outfits. I find both games weird, but whatever.
GlitchCog @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
The issue isn't that the Japanese are perverts, just that Americans are repressed Puritans. Sexuality is a sin, people. Either enjoy life and sexuality, or go to church and be repressed. You can't have it both ways.
You can waste your time telling a priest in confession about how you think about panties sometimes even though you know it's evil, or realize that it isn't evil and chill out.
Nossy @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Wow imagine what Hilary Clinton and Jack Thompson would react if this game make it state-side...
If lifting girl's skirt up and taking a picture of it is OK in Japan, I'd like to visit it one day.
Ebola @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Make Love not War!
Im not hippie, there are far things far worst out there. was it me or did the video of this game look boring and not fun to play with the PS1 graphics oh boy!!
I'm all for this kinda stuff, just make it look good and fun, damn it!!
Ebola @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Make Love not War!
Im not hippie, there are far things far worst out there. was it me or did the video of this game look boring and not fun to play with the PS1 graphics oh boy!!
I'm all for this kinda stuff, just make it look good and fun, damn it!!
mat @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
look, I don't care what culture you are in, but it is not healthy to fixate on women's undergarments.
This isn't about a repressive culture lashing out at an open one. This issue has nothing to do with progressive ideas about love and sex, it is about perv's with a strange obsession for panties.
If posters want to take on "repressive western culture," there are better issues than this.
I really don't think there is an argument here...
StalkerSteve @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
GlitchCog,
People who go to church aren't repressed. You're myopic views are the chains that bind you.
Oh yeah, and to be on topic, the Japanese are pervs, and anyone arguing otherwise are just as nearsighted as an atheist. Go to Japan and unleash your inner perv-dom and leave us Americans alone with our guns.
GlitchCog @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
If this game seems fun to somebody, they shouldn't be shamed and reprimanded for liking it.
"People who go to church aren't repressed."
Repression (ri-'presh-&n): a process by which unacceptable desires or impulses are excluded from consciousness
That's exactly what church-goers are told to do (to avoid hell), and its exactly why people have a problem with this harmless game. The real problem is the church's ideas on "unacceptable-ness" include stuff that doesn't hurt anyone.
x23 @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
sure america is 'sexually repressed' ... i guess. how much porn is made in the US again? remind me again which country it is that bans showing pubic hair in porn and pixelates it all out? i forget sorta. probably not the sexually advanced japan though. thats nonsense talk!
John @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
That must be a very young Chun Li. The Chun Li I remember from SFII was much older and hotter. I used to play that game all day and lose on purpose against her so I can kick her ass over and over and over....
BTW, Vega is so f'ing gay. Anyone else hate that pu$$y?
Thanks,
John
http://www.deliveryblog.com/
GlitchCog @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
It's not about how much porn is made where, it's about the public's ideas about it. American think it's evil, where the Japanese (while they do have their share of rules, the pubic hair one is of American origins I think) accept sexuality and don't consider it to be evil.
In America, if this game were brought to the attention of the media or politicians, they'd be screaming. The children! The disgrace! Jesus-this, god-that! Evil! Sinners everywhere! But in Japan, people just say, "Eh, it's just a game for pervs. Oh well."
(Off topic: StalkerSteve, if you want a broadminded view regarding religion, I suggest The End of Faith by Sam Harris. The future is bleak.)
mat @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
All you internet porn-hounds can try to justify as much as you want, but it cannot be denied that there is a clear link between porn addiction and harmful, deviant behavior.
But regardless of your opinion of repression or free-love or whatever, any behavior that reduces a person's perception of the opposite gender to something solely for sexual pursuit, is far from progressive. It is beastly and unevolved.
You want to talk about progression and moving away from repression, lets talk about sexual equality, not justifying porn.
mat @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
"Just a game for pervs, eh, oh well."....?
LIke its no big deal? We should be striving to improve society, not just accept destructive behavior.
Look, I'm all for tolerance and the big umbrella and everything, but if a behavior is destructive, it should not be promoted.
The views on what is destructive chnage over time, take homosexulaity for example. But you cannot convince me that squid rape cartoons, panty dispensers, and the like are part of an open society.
If anything, whats happening with that culture in Japan is a pedelume swing from generations of a super oppressive heirarchical culture, to the opposite end of the spectrum. Extremes on either side are not good, and what you see in Japan is an extreme.
GlitchCog @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Mat, where's your "facts" about the connection between porn and harmful behavior? Evil people might like porn, but so do good people. And there're lots of evil people who don't like porn, specifically religious murderers like those who participate in Muslim mercy killings. Those guys are clearly evil, but they hate porn and sexuality more than you can possibly imagine.
So how does this game hurt society? American crime rates are much higher than Japanese crime rates, even though the Japanese have "squid rape cartoons, panty dispensers, and the like."
The only reason you think of using this game as destructive behavior is that you've been raised in this Puritan society where sexuality is considered evil.
"You want to talk about progression and moving away from repression, lets talk about sexual equality, not justifying porn."
So you're saying we should have a game for women where men were objectified like this? That wouldn't sell very well. Why? Because the sexes are not equal. I'm not saying we shouldn't be given equal rights and opportunities, but they are clearly not equal. Besides the obvious physical differences, men tend to have higher sex drives, which make them want perverted video games. Denying these differences is ignoring the "problem," although I don't see it as a problem at all. The problem is that we think sexuality is evil, not that it exists or exists differently for both sexes.
DigitalStupor @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
GlitchCog, you thoughts are nonsense and rubbish. Mat, thanks for sharing some decent thoughts. Everytime you run into stuff like this in blogs, you have this crew of posters talking about how "open" another society is over "repressed America". Thank God the people in America are still holding on to shreds of decency. We should never mistake self-control for repression people. It's quite normal for porn-addicted young men (of growing numbers in every country) to continue to try to find ways for personal justification instead of facing the truth about their troubling addictions. Having "society" openly accept wrongful behaviour will never alleviate the fact that certain things are just wrong. I don't need to search for statistics, just check the testimonies of people whose marriages, families, and lives were almost (and in many cases actually were) destroyed by pornography (I've had many friends like this). You young porn addicted men out there come to understand what lust really is, and how pornography will take you down the wrong street to sexual fullfillment, the better you will understand that you will create a unsatiable desire that ends up destroying things you hold dear. What you mistake for "freedom" is really enslavement of a greater kind.
That's my vent...let's see what more gibberish Glitch will come up with now!
Mark B @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
GlitchCog,
Thanks for mentioning The End of Faith by Sam Harris. It's a book that everyone should read.
Something needs to be done before it's too late. Click on the link below for more information.
http://www.samharris.org
P.S. Porn, like most things, is best enjoyed in moderation. As long as you're not hurting anyone, it shouldn't matter what you do.
Art Guy @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
"certain things are just wrong.''
But what is wrong to one person, is just fine to another. Societies each have their own culture and rules of etiquette. We know murder is wrong in pretty much every culture, but what about a woman wearing a skimpy bathing suit? To some it's evil and a crime, to others it's no big deal. There is nothing inherently wrong with nudity or undergarments. Well, unless you are the religiously repressed type who thinks nude statues are also obscene. You can decide what is wrong for yourself, but don't pretend to know what is wrong for everyone, especially in a case like this.
"I don't need to search for statistics, just check the testimonies of people whose marriages, families, and lives were almost (and in many cases actually were) destroyed by pornography (I've had many friends like this)."
That is a blanket statement with nothing to back it up. To generally claim that porn leads to the destruction of families is as truthful as saying alcohol destroys the lives of anyone who drinks it. Some people will take any addiction too far, be it alcohol, overeating, sports card collecting, etc. Any addiction that ruins someone's life is bad, but to blame needs to be put on the individuals self control, not the object of the addiction. In this case undergarments. There is nothing wrong with finding undergarments sexy, again, unless you are repressed.
The U.S. is different than a lot of cultures, they have no problems with showing somebody get their head blown off on the evening news, but will shriek in horror if they see a nipple. One is a violent act against another, the other is a prewired sexual reaction. I'd much rather have a society that is open about sexuality than one that idolizes violence.
"GlitchCog, you thoughts are nonsense and rubbish."
Wow. Feel free to have your own thoughts and positions on a subject, but lets keep it civil, acting childish only weakens your argument.
LSSLAVE @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
My christ people are wierd... and racist
The Japanese ARENT open minded. Taking snapshots up a girls skirt is ILLEGAL but people do it.
Murder is wrong but GTA still does it and people have fun, think of it like that.
As for repressed society, I would say a few people forget they dont control the world and think that they can tell us what is right and wrong. I am Canadian, up here we are drastically different than the Americans. On Canadian television you can see nudity and hear curse words, but violence recieves MUCH harsher restrictions. We are open minded about sex, guess what PEOPLE HAVE SEX. Hate to scorn you who think it is so evil but guess what so did your parents, thats how they conceived you. Canada on the other hand is against violence, something that the US does to games but promotes all the time (You dont hear any comments about American Army video games do you?)
GlitchCog @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
"The Japanese ARENT open minded. Taking snapshots up a girls skirt is ILLEGAL but people do it."
Not quite... it's illegal if the subject is unwilling. I assume the characters of this game, who are entering a competition where this is required for victory and who also have a camera of their own for the same purpose, are willing participants in having their underwear photographed. Furthermore, it is in no way immoral to enjoy something like this, despite what your religion tells you. If this is your cup of tea, go to town as long as you don't hurt anyone or upskirt somebody in the real world unwillingly.
I actually think that the perversion of the Japanese is largely due to their censorship practices. If you can't see someone's privates in porn, you have to find your jollies elsewhere. You can't just look at a vag, so you have to be turned on by weird power play and objectification like eating shit, pedophilia or upskirting, all of which (if I am to believe the internet <-HA, that’s a joke) are big in Japan. I think this sort of perversion is actually partially the result of a closed attitude about sexuality.
What? @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Mat: Explain to me how this game is significantly harming social welfare? You really are making some completely unproven, unsupported statements there. You may not like it, but it seems like a baseless statement to say it's harming society significantly. Also, your analysis of Japan as an extreme seems a bit silly (and baseless). That's what we call a stereotype. Look at national sexual crime rates and normal crime rates and such. Compare Japan to other industralized nations (oh like the US!). I've done this in more than a few courses, you might have some interesting findings (like it's difficult to use broad sweeping generalizations to simplify nations with millions and millions of people).
If you care so much about sexism and the problems arising from it, fight a bigger fight and argue somewhere else about strip bars, and prostitution, and illegal sex [slave] trade (that's a good one, look at the suppliers and the buyer nations). A game like this is so minor compared to those things, and i DO NOT believe statistics will support the idea that something like this (a game about panties) is worse for society than say all the other stuff that is not game related going on.
ZeroCorpse @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
People, people! You're all missing the point!
They sell PEE COLA in Japan! They sell USED PANTIES in vending machines! Their top-selling porn is RAPE PORN.
I'm sexually liberated. I'm polyamorous. I'm the type that believes that sex is something that we should all be having, and we should ditch the jealous and possessiveness. But there's a fine line between healthy sexual enjoyment between consenting partners, and perverted stalking of little girls and unhealthy fetishes.
In America we have a lot of puritans who try to rain on our sexual parade, but in Japan there seems to be a lot of tolerance for what would be considered criminal sexual assault anywhere else in the world. Little girls and those women who are unwilling targets of sexual advances/assaults don't just say "Eh. It's just a pervert." because they are being threatened.
I don't care if people are straight, gay, bi, or whatever. You can have sex while wearing a Woody Woodpecker costume if it turns you- and your partner- on. I think prostitution should be completely legal (and taxed/regulated by government) in America, but taking pictures of little girls' upskirt panties, or viewing pornography that features groups of men capturing a woman on the train and raping her- That's too far for most people who respect women as sexual partners. That kind of thing goes back to the ABSOLUTELY SHITTY WAY Japanese culture treats women, and has for thousands of years.
Oh, yes. There are other nations which treat women like crap, too. American women can't complain about how they're disrespected here once they've seen what happens in the middle east (female circumcision) or some African nations (slave trade, rape gangs, rampant AIDS epidemic). The world's a rough place, but encouraging the subjugation of women or passing it off as "just another pervert" is not the way to go for a society.
Japan is cool. . . They just have a long way to go when it comes to gender equality.
mat @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
What?, I agree with you that this game is fairly innocuous and is probably not harming the greater welfare. And I agree with you that there are worse problem related to sexism, like Strip Clubs and the like, but the only reason I even posted to this was to argue with those defending this game based only on the merits that it is from a different country, and that somehow makes it untouchable.
I just don't think that you can defend games like this, or the dark side of any culture for that matter. And yes, I know using terminolgy like "dark" and "evil" can be seen as inflamitory, but it is what it is. Games like this are symptoms of a bigger problem, and just because this example is Japanese doesn't mean we can't criticize it.
What? @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Quick note about slave trade, many eastern european nations are selling to western european nations as well. Please go read about it from news sites (it happens all over the place, south asian, african, Indian, and western nations all have significant amounts that governments are trying to stop, etc. etc.)
Again ZeroCorpse: provide some data on the porn types. Oh you don't have any? Ok, I disagree with you, I say America has more of the disagreeable porn types. But neither of us have any evidence other than "i heard there is this" or "i saw one of these once" or "my friend said that". I offer you to have some real evidence that compares it to another country. In my experience of staying in Tokyo and then Gifu for 2 months each, I didn't once see a panty vending machine or a pee cola or whatever. You guys are taking a few instances and enlargening them without any data at all. What if i sat here and said "you know christianity promotes pedohphilia and underage sex because some priests have been caught doing that to many times dozens of victims"? It's a generalization that is largely baseless! Or a popular stereotype like "Japan is perverted", what about America? Do we not have a large sex industry? I seem to have thought we did...
What? @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Mat: I see your point :)
GlitchCog @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Durex survey... the Japanese have the least sex of dozens of nations surveyed.
http://www.durex.com/cm/gss2004Content.asp?intQid=398&intMenuOpen=10
NofrikinfuN @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Considering that "Bra and Panties" matches have been included in several of our more recent WWE Wrestling games, I fail to see how this is any worse than what we do in America. If anything, this is better because it at least performs the act in a humorous manner. (Although, the schoolgirl thing is a little much, admittedly.)
KillaK @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
If you don't like America's view on garbage like this then leave this country. Because it will never be acceptable (legal) to watch rapings, young girl porn or upskirt shots, and pee cola.
NofrikinfuN: These matches you speak of are no different than watching models who are in their bras and panties, leagal aged models. Not young children, who are being exploited, with cameras up their skirts. Your attempt to compare them makes you look kind of stupid.
How can you call Japan conservative, because they pixel out pubic hair? They need to pixel out the 11 year old girls face.
I don't mind porn in moderation (I prefer the real thing personally), but the ultra-perv Japanese take a good thing too far and if something of this sort is in tons of their video games it must embedded in their society.
Illini2003 @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
Does it strike anyone else as odd that the game has all its writing transalated to english such as the score and press start at the top of the screen? Is this really japanese?
Art Guy @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
KillaK - I took the liberty of fixing your post for you:
If you don't like America's view on garbage like this then leave this country. Because it will never be acceptable (legal) to see a nipple on tv, get a bj, or have consensual but unmarried sex. While watching somebody being killed is just good entertainment.
These matches you speak of are no different than watching real boxers who are professional adults on tv. Not young digital children, who are being digitally exploited, with digital bullys beating them up (see the game BULLY). Your attempt to compare them makes you look kind of stupid.
How can you call U.S. conservative, because they pixel out nipples? They need to pixel out Janet Jacksons whole body.
I don't mind violence in moderation (I prefer the real thing personally), but the ultra-violent Americans never take a good thing too far and if something of this sort is in tons of their video games it must embedded in their society.
KirbyMeister @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
You do realize that pr0n has been found more addictive than crack cocaine, because it never leaves your brain [you dont forget it] while crack eventually leaves your system, but not before leaving a massive endorphin rush and a high.
Art Guy @ Dec 18th 2005 9:13PM
KillaK - Good one. Nothing quite like a personal attack to show how your point of view is better reasoned. I wonder in what kind of environment you learned attacking someone is better than civil discussion?
The point that you missed, was that different cultures have unique attitudes about sex and violence. Most countries are open about sex and disapprove of violence. America however is ashamed of anything that could be thought of sexual, while glorifying violence. One is a natural act between consenting people, and the other is a physical violation.
Compare the crime rate in America to other civilized countries to see how this underlying attitude is detrimental to society. The United States ranks first in assaults, rapes and total crimes. Almost half of the assaults in the ENTIRE world happen in the Untied States, a staggering 2.2 million, the closest rival has a scant 500k assaults with Japan trailing with just over 43,000 assaults.
Assaults:
US - 2,200,000
Japan - 43,000
Murders:
US - 12,000
Japan - 637
Rapes:
US - 89,0000
Japan - 2,200
Total crimes:
US - 23,600,000
Japan - 2,400,000
Total crime per capita:
US - 80 per 1,000 people
Japan - 19 per 1,000 people