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Posted: Dec 4th 2005 8:49PM (Unverified) said

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Sony needs to sell a some sort of way to freely write to UMD's... imagine going to best buy and buying blank UMD's knowing that you can put whatever you want on there; homebrew, mpeg movies..anything!!! Sales would skyrocket.. it should be a no-brainer, but sony doesnt get it

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 8:56PM (Unverified) said

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I, for one, have lots of movies on UMD. They're great for travelling, working on projects at school and even to watch if I'm sick in bed. If you don't do any of those things, I guess it's pointless, but I think they're great.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 11:10PM (Unverified) said

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If the movies were ALOT less, let's say $10 each, then I would definately buy them. Until then, the article says it already; why would I pay more for less?

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 9:37PM (Unverified) said

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I think the main thing is the price. To expect us to pay more than what a DVD costs for a movie we can only watch on a small screen is ridiculous.

My best solution would be a DVD/UMD two pack for, say, 5-7 dollars more than what we would pay for the DVD alone. That way I can have my DVD to watch on the big screen and a UMD to take on the road.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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I think that they should drop the price, i mean i dont want to have to pay 30 bucks for a movie ill only watch twice

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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I also think that they should make a rental service so that people can rent them for a low price then return them once done

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:03PM (Unverified) said

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Today at Wal-Mart I saw something odd... Volume One of Family Guy...on 5 UMDs. The packaging looked odd, looked like they were stored in styrofoam... It seemed to have most or all of the bonus features from the DVDs.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:06PM wshwe said

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Convenience is why I buy UMDs. I don't have the time to rip DVDs.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:03PM (Unverified) said

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I will never buy a UMD movie simply for the fact that I get less for my money than buying the equivalent on a DVD. I also second #1's comment about being able to buy blank UMDs to burn whatever we want, which would generate a lot of sales for the PSP.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:03PM (Unverified) said

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I will never buy a UMD movie simply for the fact that I get less for my money than buying the equivalent on a DVD. I also second #1's comment about being able to buy blank UMDs to burn whatever we want, which would generate a lot of sales for the PSP.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:07PM (Unverified) said

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I have to say, while I agree that the quality isn't as good and that Sony should make a UMD burner, I really like UMD movies. The PSP is great for finding specific moments in films if you are at all interested in film studies.

Of course, I also like the new video-capable iPod, so maybe I just like small portable video, quality be damned.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:17PM (Unverified) said

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I think UMDs would be more appealing if 1) price is lower and 2) Sony releases a home DVD/UMD player combo, so you are not restricted to use UMDs just on the PSP

Speaking of which, isn't UMD supposed to be an "open standard"? Where's the 3rd party support?? If it takes Sony several years to realize the Memory Stick media is crap for their own digital cameras (they're beginning to support CF for high end cams), I wonder how long it'll take them to realize another "proprietary" format like the UMD is not helping their case to be a consumer friendly brand..

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:23PM (Unverified) said

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i think sony should set a flat fee for all UMDs because it is such an exclusive format.

they cannot play on big screens unless you have a special attachment so i think sony should set a base price at 10$ or something like that. i

only have one umd and it is spiderman 2 from the promo for the first psps.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 10:42PM (Unverified) said

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Id rather just download simpsons and family guy episodes and convert them with PSP video express to put on my 1 gig mem stick. Right now I have like 17 episodes and the family guy movie.

Posted: Dec 4th 2005 11:24PM (Unverified) said

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I previously pointed this out in the PSP homebrew post and the reason applies here as well: sony can NOT release an umd writer because it will be used for pirated games. People will rip off games onto umd. What each firmware update tries to do is to make sure files can only be executed from umds. if umds have the ability to launch executables, there is no stopping the game piracy..
homwever, sony should it easy to make sure writtable umds have no execution capabilities and have only media capabilities... that would be nice..

on the movies rate, i doubt ill buy umd movies for more than 9.99. the best thing would be to unclude umd version with each movies as apackage fro 5-10 bux more, like someone else suggested...

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 12:39AM (Unverified) said

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Sony, you listening?

PUT A UMD PLAYER IN THE PS3!

Ok, so I realize that isn't going to happen, but if it did, I would buy nothing but UMD movies.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 1:10AM (Unverified) said

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I haven't bought any UMD movies, i have no problem ripping my own DVDs. However, i do think its cool, and i think people who say "ARG!! UMDs are teh illogical!!!" miss the point: UMD Movies are an impluse buy!

Someone wandering around the mall could buy a UMD instead of a CD or pair of jeans or something where they might not plunk down for a $40-50 game. I tend to see people either own a lot of movies or none at all. I'm personally in the "none at all" camp, but i appreciate the attention the big studio support brings to our burgeoning handheld.

Also, i think the PSP owner community needs a better way of sharing PSP-encoded movies ... but that's another issue...

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 1:21AM (Unverified) said

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I'm with Soatari. I think there is that happy price medium that Sony's gonna have to find before I get excited about buying UMDs.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 4:44AM (Unverified) said

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I'm in for 2 cents:

Remember the Mini-disk? Sony's proprietary format with only slighly degraded sound quality that couldn't be copied?

I think that the movie thing in UMD format will end up being Sony's 3rd "betamax" format failure, all because of high prices (remember the high prices on the pre-recorded mini-disks?) and lack of other players for the format.

And really, with the penetration of the DVD format, what was Sony thinking?

Think: given the option of renting the DVD from netflix and then using your computer to compress the movie file to 250MB or so, who's even thinking of buying UMD's?

Not me....

Your's truely,

Joe 6-pack.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 5:57AM (Unverified) said

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I can't see any good reasons for buying a film on UMD instead of DVD...

If I had the time to watch films (i.e. if I had to commute to work on the train), I would certainly rent them. LoveFilm ( http://www.lovefilm.com/collection.php?cl_id=184 ) has a decent-sized library, which would make watching them on the PSP worthwhile (especially financially!)

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 7:21AM (Unverified) said

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UMD movies are sometimes going for as much as £22 in the UK. Absolute daylight robbery.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 6:35AM (Unverified) said

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As far as UMDbeing Sony's 3rd betamax failure - Minidisc was a reasonably successful format because it was introduced before many had CD Burners. I bought a Pioneer HiFi System with a Minidisc recorder in it about 10 years ago and this let me copy CD's in digital quality. What killed off minidisc was the ever increasing popularity of cheaper PC's and cheaper CD Writers. UMD has been introduced as a storage medium for PSP Games first and movies second. The main problem with UMD for movies is that if you own a DVD you can convert it and shove it on a memory stick. Once you're fed up with it you can bin the copy and replace it with something else. All the while you have the original DVD in your collection. So if you own the orginal DVD why fork out for the UMD version? If you find yourself in a store with a DVD in one hand and a UMD in the other. The DVD wins everytime simply because you can watch it at home and (after converting it) on your PSP. With UMD you cant do this.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 7:25AM (Unverified) said

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I second #4. Making the DVDs + UMDs for something more (6/7 dollars more), would be a solution, to me at least.

Hell, if they really want to cut the price down, they could even come without a box, just some short of case (the UMD).

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 4:51PM TechCF said

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I have not bought any UMD's yet, but will by one to try it out. The price it too high for the entertainment value (I get more out of the very pricey games).

Flat fee of $10 would be great, I would propably have bought a lot already if they where that cheap and as available as games.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 10:18AM (Unverified) said

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you guys keep touting this memory stick thing. First of all, im not going to pay 70 dollars for 1 gig of memory in any format, memory stick or otherwise.I'd much rather pay for blank UMD's. Then, after you've spent an hour or so ripping the dvd to the memory stick, you can only have one or two movies on it, then you have to either store them or get rid of them later to put new ones on. And finally, have any of you people actually done this? Because if you have, youd know that a movie compressed to 250 or even 500 megabytes looks and sounds like absolute SHIT. I'd kill for 1.8 gigs to mess around with, and the ability to take several movies with me.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 11:20AM tyendude said

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I'm with the majority. Price, price, price. Up here in Canada UMD movies are $50 plus tax. Make them about $5-$10, and i'll have the largest UMD movie collection around. At $50, i'll buy 1 every couple of decades.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 7:55PM (Unverified) said

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I might consider purchasing UMD movies if there was some high quality and easily portable way to output to a TV, turning my PSP into a portable UMD player on my parents TV, say, for the holidays. Otherwise, I'm sticking with DVDs for my movies.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 8:45PM (Unverified) said

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Convienience is nice but the price to quatlity ratio is prohibitive. A scheme that would work for me is, if the DVD is $15-20, do a special UMD bundle for $28-32.I belive this was done for an anime film in Japan.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 4:21PM (Unverified) said

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A decent video out for the PSP without having to hack it open or use an optical video capture would make UMD movies more attractive to me. DVD/UMD combos would also work. But I think that a good USB->video out adapter and program for the PSP (assuming that the 272p or whatever doesn't look like absolute crap) would make lower priced UMD's a very hot commodity.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 1:38PM design1stcode2nd said

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Unless UMD movies are $8.99 or $9.99 I'll never buy one. What would be better is to be able to rent them for $1-2 from Netflix, blockbuster or similar. Now that I would do.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 3:53PM (Unverified) said

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If the UMDs were around $10 I'd buy a lot more of them. They're nice when you're away from home or want to watch one in bed. However, in the $15-30 range, I'd rather just buy a normal DVD so I can watch in on the big screen with stereo. If Sony had made some way to connect the PSP to the TV, I'd be all over UMDs, it'd be the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned. Until then, only movies I'm really crazy about and don't mind watching 100 times over with be in my UMD collection, which is very limited considering the selection right now.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 6:16PM (Unverified) said

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I agree with your comments derboy. I loved my minidisk player. Great sound quality. But you could never buy the recorded disks at a reasonable price, and you couldn't get equivalent copies made. These are the advantages of the DVD that will keep UMD Movies from having a significant penetration.

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 5:18PM (Unverified) said

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You hit the nail on the head and I've been complaining since the launch of the PSP.
I've been a faithful supporter of SCE and the least they could do is pack in some extras, maybe even extras that have been reserved exclusively for UMD's. I know it can be done!
And why not make dual layered UMD's while they're at it? Put some effort into it is all I'm askin'..

Posted: Dec 5th 2005 7:06PM MojoLA said

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If UMDs were $9.99, I would consider a few. No way I am paying MORE than the cost of a DVD I probably already own.

And folks, Sony will NEVER release a UMD burner - that would be like them saying "we are tired of selling memory sticks and commercial UMDs." It's not going to happen.

My main beef is that Sony holds back full-res 480x270 content for material you PAY FOR. You can only see the full glory of the screen if you buy a UMD or pay for downloaded, Sony content. All the PSP is to Sony is a hook to make you keep buying stuff. It is pure greed.

Sony, trust us - even if you let us encode our own video at full res, as long as your content is REASONABLY PRICED, we will still buy it!

If you started a download site like iTunes and we could download 480x270 TV shows for $1 or $2, THAT WE CAN KEEP FOR FUTURE VIEWING, we would do it. If UMDs were $9.99, we'd buy them.

But forcing us to ALWAYS pay TOO MUCH for ALL our content will only continue to bring you more quarterly losses and unhappy customers.

The minute the 16:9 video iPod is released, the PSP is going to take a big hit - unless you ACT NOW and give users what they want!

Posted: Dec 6th 2005 8:52AM (Unverified) said

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Personally, I think the solution is fairly simple:

- Drop the price (obviously): UMDs need to compete with, not be trounced by DVDs

- Start releasing two disc sets: if the UMD can only hold a movie, then release a second disc in the package for $15. Have it be special features, games, game demos (if related to the movie... Batman Begins movie and Batman Begins game demo...or whatever)

Overall, just put some smart marketing people on the case. Clearly there's not any there now.

Posted: Dec 7th 2005 6:53PM (Unverified) said

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I have to say the only reason I own a UMD (the free demo disc) is because I need it to run homebrew games (Fastloader).

It would be cheaper to buy or download movies off the internet and convert them to the PSP format.

Posted: Dec 8th 2005 10:17AM (Unverified) said

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For the cost of a UMD writer, wouldnt it just make sense to finially put a hard drive in the PSP and have 20g worth of storage instead of 1.8?

Lack of Storage is the weakest part of a great device.

Posted: Dec 16th 2005 2:29PM Pho EVA said

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Memory stick, nuff said,,.,yeah it may take some time to convert DVDs tot he stick, but in the long run you are saving yourself a nice chunk of change - rewritable and large capacity. Depending on the conversion method, you could put all the extras on the stick , or just make your own 'UMD' and just rip the movie.

U can have 2 movies on a memory stick and still have a game in your system.,.,less stuff you have to carry around

Posted: Dec 25th 2005 10:48PM (Unverified) said

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A lot of very good comments listed above. I'll add my comments here.



RE: impulse buys. Even as an impulse buy, I'm going to chose the format that makes the most sense for me. $25 for an impulse DVD purchase, or $25 for an impulse PSP purchase. DVD wins hands down.



Pricing: Throw them in for $5 bundled with a Sony DVD, and I'd consider going with that instead of the $15 - 16 for a new DVD. Even then, I would be doing this more for the time saving factor than anything.



UMD Writer: As much as I would love to see a UMD writer, it's not going to happen for the reasons stated above. There are enough issues right now with piracy and memory sticks. Giving people cheap UMD media would just make the issue worse. What I would personally like to see, is a method where a game could be copied to a UMD and then locked to my PSP based on it's serial number so that copy could only be played on my PSP. That way I would be able to shove a 2GB memory stick in, and I could leave 2 or 3 games on it for a trip (which is when I use my PSP the most). If the PSP had 2GB of internal storage on it to begin with, this would have been a nice solution.



Posted: Dec 30th 2005 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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yes, i agree to the "pay more get less" but hey umd movies a revolutionised the way we can watch movies on the move, there a lot smaller and compact. The psp is a lot smaller than a portable dvd player so certain sacrifices have to be made to the specification to the psp the umd is practical built around the psp.



Sorry about spelling has to type quickley**

Posted: Jan 3rd 2006 5:42PM (Unverified) said

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I can imagine some pretty cool ideas for UMD, but sadly I doubt we'll ever see them.



First, the price is obvious. $10 is about as much as I'd pay for a UMD movie. Maybe $15 if it's something really great.



What I'd like to see is more smaller format stuff available for really cheap. For instance, television show episodes distributed on UMD. Maybe even a subscription service where for x dollars a month, you get a few of your favorite TV shows delivered to you on UMD weekly, so you can watch them when you want.



I could even see some niche-market content being distributed on UMD only.



Do they make demo discs yet? If not, that would be pretty cool.



Since Sony is doing so much with their ACID product line, remix competitions on acidplanet.com and so on, I think it would be very cool if I could pick up free (or almost free) remix kits or sample packs at local music stores or software stores on umd. It might not offer more ubiquity than a CD-ROM, but it would at least increase the visibility of the format. Possibly even a PSP version of ACID, which would sort of turn it into a portable music composition tool. I'd use that a lot, I spend countless hours sitting at my PC using Acid, I'd love to be able to to use it whenever inspiration strikes.

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