Nintendo discusses Revolution at UBS conference

It's a little annoying when PR people get their numbers wrong.

Europe, 2 Million+.
America, 2.5/3 Million.
Japan, 3,774,087.

It's actually 8 Million from the lowest possible figures, maybe nearer 9 Million.

More on topic, hopefully the DS ethics work as well in the home console market as they have in the handheld. And I don't see why not.

I have to say, Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time is a pretty damn fun game. My XBox 360 gives me confused stares while I play this game. I would say I give each about equal time.

Home consoles are going to be tougher for them. I think people are really underestimating the importance of the lack of HD support - this is already around 11% of the market, supposed to be 27% by 2007 and the adoption rates will likely accelerate, driven by the Xbox 360 and PS3 and the new high definition optical disc formats. It's already difficult to even buy a non-HD set, unless you really go bargain-basement.

If you assume consoles are supposed to last for 5 years, Nintendo's gonna have a real problem by around 2009-2010. Once you have HD, it's really just hard to look at SD content anymore. And it will make the PS3 and Xbox 360 that much more attractive alternatives. It's also a mistake to think that Sony and MS won't try to counter Nintendo if the Revolution does start to gain a foothold. (They may not be totally successful, but look at what Sony's done with their first try at portables; they've taken a big chunk of market share away from Nintendo.)

I don't think being able to push the same number of polygons or having all that texture memory is necessarily all that important given what Nintendo is trying to do. I think it could work trying to appeal to more casual gamers; that's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is that they are creating a system that is literally stuck in the past in this one particular area, and any system is only as strong as its weakest link. It's like asking gamers to play games in black and white, or to stick with 2D when everybody else is doing 3D. It's one thing to not be trying to keep up with the joneses, but you need to at least match your technology with the specs of the display devices it's designed to match up with.

I think Nintendo has good intentions and taking risks proves that they are sincere. Lots of people trashed the DS as a gimmick, but I don't think that can be said now that its still doing well. I think Nintendo will sell lots of Revos on launch but i think a lot of people will wait to play it before they decide if they want to buy it. Nintendo is clearly following the same stratagy that made the DS a success. I just hope for their sake, that they deliver a great experience or else they will end up 3rd again. I love the retro download idea, but then again, I already have it all on my PC with an X360 wired control that works in XP. I'm hestant, but hopeful and I will reserve full judgement until after i've played it.

I had a PSP. I sold it. Now I have a DS. Nintendo won me over by making games I *Wanted* to play (sorry, Lumines, you just weren't enough.) I'm sure Revolution will be the same way. And if it's as cheap as they say it will be, who wouldn't get one?

I think the success of Nintendo Revolution will have more to do with the success (or lack thereof) of PS3 and XBox 360 rather than what Nintendo will be doing.

If the other consoles deliver on their expectations, Nintendo will be in big trouble.

Whooptido HD... I don't know a single person that's even considering buying an HD TV and I'm willing to put money on the fact that the majority of the new markets Nintendo is going for aren't either.

The opinion that everyone has a huge TV in their living room and is really interested in getting the most out of it comes from the same place that is killing the games industry.
(rant over)

The DS is a success. I have a DS, now I'm buying the DS Mario Kart Bundle and give the old to my brother (even now he plays more than me)Now I will be able to play vs with him in Mario Kart and Advance Wars DS.

I bought Nintendogs, but I think it's a gimmick, it uses all the input devices very well, but after a while it get boring, even my sister doesn't want to play it. (And I felt stupid calling the dog by its name :P)

Now, what worries me it's that the killer games for DS are published by Nintendo. I hope that doesn't happen with the Revolution and more developers make excellent games for it.

#3, you're American aren't you?

The rest of the world doesn't really care about HD at the moment. Japan can't decide on a unified definition and the cost in the UK is astronomical. Most TVs on sale at affordable prices are not HD. Every kid with a TV in their bedroom has a non-HD TV and will have for many, many years to come.

I get the feeling (in Europe at least) that we simply don't care enough about our TVs to make the change for quite some time. I'd doubt that HD uptake in Europe will be of any significance for the next 5 years at least.

Why is that bad? Nintendo is a very good publisher AND developer - I like the idea that they decide to publish and market games that they find interesting. And since they are one of the best developers - I could only ask for more first party titles by the big N.

And once again - HD is overrated. It's something for the tech savvy out there, but not for most people at the moment - they don't have 2000 euro to spend for a HDTV, new blueray player and console.
Nintendo offers a platform that is good for all parties involved: cheap system / games, cheap for developers (compared to an xbox360/PS3 project) who are more willing to experiment, new input method, retro gaming (remote/DS), wifi... All that combined is worth a lot more to me then HDTV support.

The true magic is not in the CPU or GPU ( which happens to be great). The combination is where the real magic is.

Here are the specs on the GPU as reported by the same group who gave IGN and Revogaming the "Broadway" info. It now looks like the Revo will have a total of 256mb which is great news since it doesn't need 512mb that required for HD.

- "Hollywood" is based on ATi's RV530 GPU
- The GPU has been optimised significantly (more on that below)
- The graphics are not as bad as IGN might make them sound
- The Revolution's RAM, whilst being around 128MB, is highly optimised

Here are the specs for the RV530, thanks to Anandtech:

RV530

600MHz Core Clock
1400MHz Memory Clock
512MB Maximum Memory for "XT"
256MB Maximum Memory for "Pro"
128-bit Memory
12 Pipelines
Maximum 16x32MB 1.4ns GDDR3

I own a DS, PS2 and Gamecube. I never bought an xbox because the only game I REALLY wanted has Halo1and2. Personally, I love my DS (Metroid Pinball, Advance Wars and Mario & Luigi are consuming most of the play time).

Will the Rev be capable of 480p? I know its not HD but on my 46" plasma 480p looks pretty good (not as good as 1080i). If they can pull that off (like in the GC) then I think its got some legs.

The true magic is not in the CPU or GPU ( which happens to be great). The combination is where the real magic is.

Here are the specs on the GPU as reported by the same group who gave IGN and Revogaming the "Broadway" info. It now looks like the Revo will have a total of 256mb which is great news since it doesn't need 512mb that required for HD.

- "Hollywood" is based on ATi's RV530 GPU
- The GPU has been optimised significantly (more on that below)
- The graphics are not as bad as IGN might make them sound
- The Revolution's RAM, whilst being around 128MB, is highly optimised

Here are the specs for the RV530, thanks to Anandtech:

RV530

600MHz Core Clock
1400MHz Memory Clock
512MB Maximum Memory for "XT"
256MB Maximum Memory for "Pro"
128-bit Memory
12 Pipelines
Maximum 16x32MB 1.4ns GDDR3

Yes REVO will come with 480P standard.

All I know is I was a lapsed gamer but now I can't put down my DS. I believe in Nintendo, I think they are 100% on target. The 360 games I've played look good and run smoothly, but nothing's gotten under my skin yet like animal crossing or mario kart....

Sorry Jeff, I think lots of people will disagree. HDTV's here in Canada start in the $500 dollar range, and they aren't even true HD, more like SD with only 520p. Unless you call an Xbox 360 bargain basement.....well.

I would also like to point out that Nintendo might be the ONLY company aware that most people are losing money quicker then they can gain it these days. I already talked about the decline of the middle class here in North America in another comment post, but the point is you HAVE to recognize that by 2009-2010 as you specify, things will probably be worse in this part of the world. I don't see any reason for a turn around, as long as China rises more as a super power and the U.S and Canada decline along with the rest of the supposed developed world.

Also, for new disc formats, they will be obsolete quicker then beta tapes. Hard disk storage and direct downloads will be the real next-gen of storage. Or maybe even just holodiscs. Also having played many an HD game, the differences between HD and non-HD are much smaller then what people are saying. It's nice sure, but don't you think that effect will wear off by 2009? A shiny new car only feels new for so long, until you become used to it, and you're already looking at the next great model.

"#3, you're American aren't you? "

This guy clearly spends too much time with his antique game collection to see the real picture.

For example:

"It's already difficult to even buy a non-HD set, unless you really go bargain-basement.

That statement is totally false where I live. Nevermind the simple fact that Nintendo seems to be going for the bargain console this gen anyway so they will be attracting the same types of people not ready to get an HDTV. Hardcore tech savvy buyers (the minority) will be more interested in the 360/PS3 and nintendo knows this.

"Once you have HD, it's really just hard to look at SD content anymore. "

I also disagree with this. I have an HDTV in the basement and a standard TV in the living room and I go back and forth between them without a problem at all. In fact when I watch DVDs on my standard TV they look very nearly as good as the HD broadcast content on my HDTV. I think the content has alot to do with the picture as well as resolution. Only elitists and snobs should have a problem with this. I hear the same crap from friends with huge TV's. "OH how can you stand to watch your 32" screen, its SO TINY" Bla bla bla.

"look at what Sony's done with their first try at portables; they've taken a big chunk of market share away from Nintendo"

This is a flawed statment because its difficult to say if many PSP owners would have bought a DS or not, as well as the fact that many people own both which makes it look like PSP has a much larger market share than it does. And nintendo and sony have both stated they are not directly competing products, so you could also say the PSP has taken market share from apple and portable dvd players. Who is to say what number of PSPs sold constitute the handheld gaming market?

"The point I'm making is that they are creating a system that is literally stuck in the past in this one particular area, and any system is only as strong as its weakest link."

This statement has huge problems. First, if the revolution is successful in changing the expectations of gamers, then in a year or two, you will be describing the control mechanics of the xbox360 and PS3 as "stuck in the past". You need to apply your "logic" to all 3 consoles without first assuming certain consoles have already won. This is a glaring error in the fundementals of your thought processes. You could end up being right, but assumptions like this can create incorrect logic trains if the assumptions don't materialize.

Second, your logic would render the PS2 as only as strong as its graphics (which many consider to be the weakest of last gen) but yet its selection of games helped people overcome the graphics and still win the last gen.

Lastly, its clear the poster Jeff, has little understanding of the global market as HD penetration in japan and europe (markets that are typically stronger for nintendo than xbox)is very low and there are few signs that is changing.

Another poster mentioned that they haven't solidified an HD standard in other countries, but I would say we haven't solidified a standard here. What is it? 720P? 1080I? 1080P? And there are others, in fact nearly 18 digital TV standards. Not all of them are high definition by the way. EDTV is also considerd Digital television. Because of this, many TVs now have to support many resolutions and this makes them much more expensive, not to mention the fact that LCD and plasma TV's have a native resolution that will always look better than the others, even to the point where if you are not in the native resolution, sometimes you will have decreased picture quality.

If the rev controler can be used for anything like the ds games or around their game prices then i'm gonna fall in love. I don't own a ds but I have played it at target for over 2 hours playing nintendogs and I only wanted to buy tape!! But now some jerk stole the stylus. I think too many put too much on polygons and stuff too. For my computer I have a nice cpu but a cheap graphics card (x300) so all the new games are on the lowestest setting but that doesn't stop me from playing far cry (the prettiest pc game i've ever seen) and fear (the slow motion is amazing, the rest is ok) and I still have a blast playing them.

As for the rev not having HD i'm not worried, i'm more excited about wifi (isn't broadband up to 50% and expected to replace dial up in 1 or 2 years?). to me hd is a bit overrated or at least until 2010 when all the chanels will have to be digital. i'd rather play games on my amazing lcd monitor than a any tv. Why, because i already own it. If nintendo doesn't have anything to connect it to my monitor then i guess i will have to hope someone on ebay has made one for me to buy. (anybody know anything about rev and monitor hook ups?)

Something I haven't seen anyone comment about is the effect on the assumed lifespan of the rev. Since it will (by all accounts) be less powerful but cheaper, I think we may see that standard lifecycle reduced to maybe three years. What happens in 2009, when Nintendo launches another console, that's just as powerful as the xbox630 and the ps3. Both Microsoft and Sony will be roughly a little over half-way through their standard lifespan, but the rev will have the same power at roughly the same price by then...


Is Nintendo crazy? Like a fox...

@ 18 I have heard that the Rev will have VGA outputs or computer monitor outputs.

It also has several usb ports and who knows, maybe that can output video too. It is amazing what people are doing with usb these days.

For #19
I learned stuff like that in my marketing class in college. Well, there are no standard lifecycles, they just guessestimate on previous lifecycles so there is no certantity of how long it will last and if there are more competitors then the lifecycle will be shorter because then features becomes an issue so companies are always trying to disguish their product with features and price (nintendo) because other companies make copies of yours. If one company is doing something completely different the others have to ask themselves "do they know something we don't" and believe me they are already making copies just in case. You know the saying "if its not broken don't fix it" well that doesn't work in the business world, if you are not inovating you are dieing. So if you are not the inovator you better be the follower. These don't have to be big changes either just something that is noticable. Think about HP, they are known as the premier pc inovator (probably because the spend more on R and D then any other computer company, and its their logo "invent") Oh if you don't know what lightscribe is then you don't know burning. Ok back to work. Because of this they may not be selling as many desktops pc as dell but they have passed them in global notebooks, supercomputers, servers, and are now returning more money to the shareholders. Profits are what matters to Shareholders not how many units you sold. The biggest influence for consumers is PRICE followed by need and features and all that fun stuff. With money being tight now and if the rev price range of 99-149 is true then a lot of PARENTS not their children will be very happy, the kids will be happy when they have more games than the kid with the 360 or ps3. College students will be happy too. Can you imagine drunk college students with that control. Oh I can't wait. Just to let you know, the price leader and inovation leader (you need both) ALWAYS WINS.

for 19, Only the part about lifecycles is in response to yours the rest is me not being able to shut up.

I understand the importance of HD with live action Movies and TV. What I don’t understand is the important in gaming.

My local Gamestop has the Xbox 360 and a high definition set, with the new King Kong Demo playing. While it looked nice, it didn’t look as nice as watching the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park on my regular old TV (not even close). To me it seems video game consoles still haven’t reached the potential of standard definition. If that is so, why the big rush to HD? Should they focus on making video games that look as good as they can with standard definition. I understand images can look smother blah blah blah, but there is always AA, and it doesn’t seem that the limiting factor is the low definition. Xbox 360 would have impressed the hell out of me if they made game play look as good as some of the digitally created movies on standard TV.

Am I missing something?

I wouldn't worry about HD. They will make an adapter if it becomes popular enough, and developers will happily support it.

We all know their console is going to be much less money than the competition, so I think Nintendo will stay alive, despite Sony/Microsoft fanboys claim.

Thankfully for Nintendo, even 360/PS3 supporters such as myself are still looking forward to their system. A couple of my room mates aren't even looking forward to the PS3 and are waiting for the Revo. I personally like my 'Cube better than my PS2.

In fact, I'm more likely to buy a Rev BEFORE I get a PS3 just because it will be cheaper. I think Nintendo is making some smart moves.

More interesting gameplay over slight graphical improvements is a good move. People can get fun without the large pricetag.

The thing about the Revo and DS is that the other systems will not be able to provide games that it can with the special controls. PSP? pfffff I've got those games on the PS2. The graphics will be good enough, so it won't matter.

anyone know how you go about buying shares in Nintendo?

I have a DS and a PSP... have not had the PSP out in months... I continue to play my DS every few days. The PSP games have great graphics but are pretty much the same thing I have played 1000X on my console systems. The Nintendo DS games are just entertaining as hell...

for 24, They are most likely sold on the electronic exchange (nasdaq) if not call a brokerage and, with a nominal fee, they will make the order for you. Because they are japanese company it might be difficult for you to do it yourself if you don't knoledge of how the system works.

Here is what their corporate site says "How can I buy stock?

Nintendo of America Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo Co., Ltd., which is located in Kyoto, Japan. Although ordinary Nintendo stock shares are traded only through the Tokyo and Osaka stock exchanges, un sponsored American Depository Receipts (ADRs) are available on the over-the-counter market. For more information, please contact a local stock brokerage firm.?

#23 HD makes things bright, shiny and sharp but the 360 and the PS3 still can't display a face that conveys realistic, natural, genuine emotion. Funny but that kind of thing can be seen on any standard def home movie.

So you're absolutely right. Graphics don't even meet the limits of standard def yet. HD is a distractor to mask the graphical wall the industry has hit.

"While it looked nice, it didn’t look as nice as watching the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park on my regular old TV (not even close)."

I've been saying this for months!!!!

Thank you for coming to the same conclusion.

Imagine if they made a lord of the rings game that looked as good as the lord of the rings DVD looks at 480P. I would shit my pants. The 360 doesnt look that good at all even in HD!
I just want a game that looks as good as a DVD in standard def. Until then HD is a huge waste of money for gaming.

To JRM,

Nintendo is traded on the U.S. exchanges as an ADR (American Depository Receipt). This allows them to be a Non-U.S. company, but trade and settle shares in U.S. dollars.

You need to have some form of brokerage account to purchase stock. Most companies like E-Trade have a minimum dollar amount to open an account; usually around $500 but shop around.

The symbol for Nintendo's ADR is NTDOY and it trades as a pink-sheeter, meaning that it probably doesn't trade on a standard exchange. Don't worry about that too much, but know that it may effect how long it takes to complete a stock order.

To JRM,

Nintendo is traded on the U.S. exchanges as an ADR (American Depository Receipt). This allows them to be a Non-U.S. company, but trade and settle shares in U.S. dollars.

You need to have some form of brokerage account to purchase stock. Most companies like E-Trade have a minimum dollar amount to open an account; usually around $500 but shop around.

The symbol for Nintendo's ADR is NTDOY and it trades as a pink-sheeter, meaning that it probably doesn't trade on a standard exchange. Don't worry about that too much, but know that it may effect how long it takes to complete a stock order.

A few more comments for Jeff.

You're assuming all of your facts off of a few things that are consumerism driven, but unrealistic.

You're assuming that everyone come 2009 will own all HDTV's. Or eschewing that for they'll ONLY hook consoles up to the HDTV's in their houses. I don't know about your childhood, but I wasn't allowed to hook up ANY consoles to the nice living room TV.

I was regelated to the 13" in the den. I see this playing out in the same fashion for kids. They get the console in their room that gets hooked up to their 19"TV or the kitchen, etc.

If I had kids they wouldn't get consoles in the room (can't monitor what they're playing ya know...) but that's another point.

As for HD, whoopee... I've played PC games for years. I've seen high res games. They look alright, but nothing I NEED to have a good game.

You want to know what some of my favorite games are? Ms. Pac-Man, Tetris, REZ, Banjo-Kazooie, Half-Life 2, and UT. These games all come from different walks of generations of gaming. Does HD factor in on fun or on presentation? I'm not having fun if the pretty graphics make for a crappy game.

I want gameplay over graphics. Graphics can stink to high heaven if the game's fun. What good genre's exsist to support graphics then? FPS, Sports, Flight Sims?

The 3rd innovative feature of the Revolution is that you don't need a TV to play it, it's not a headset or a VR visor,The revolution is the first Hybrid portable/home console, the final design is a bit smaller than a DVD case and 1.5 times thicker, there is a 6.5 " screen in the side that never was shown and controls, the final design will look familiar ,the original Gameboy, you can take revolution outside and play Nes/Snes/N64/Gc games or play new Revolution software at home with the TV and the freestyle controller, and there is an add-on USB reader that can read all previous Nintendo home console cartridges on Revolution.
The conclusion is " you need a Revolution " .

For 31, you are right on. I remember my 13in tv with one speaker on the back. it was the cheapest at kmart when it was given to me. by the way Half life 2 looks good on anything and really still maintains its fun ie throwing paint with gravity gun, does anyone need any game than tetris and half life 2..NO WAY.. thats infinite fun right there.

Not having HD is mistake. Does anyone here think that HD tvs are going to somehow get more expensive and less popular year by year? No, of course not.

How would like it if someone told you that from now on you're going to have to play your games in 640x480 for the next 4-5 years while your friends play in 1280x720 or 1920x1080?

"How would like it if someone told you that from now on you're going to have to play your games in 640x480 for the next 4-5 years while your friends play in 1280x720 or 1920x1080?"

I wouldn't care as long as I was playing games that were more fun(which they probably will be). We've survived on 640x480 for this long, surely things won't be that bad. Last time I checked, the TV shows coming through my normal TV still look a lot better than the graphics that any game system puts out... It's not just about resolution.

Nintendo's refusal to back emerging technology may seem ok to the fanboys now, but refusing to back online play 5 years ago with the Gamecube was ok to them too. Now look where they are.

If you want to play online against real people instead of some lame AI on a console then you have to own an Xbox, or to a lesser extent a PS2. The same will be true of HD in a few years, and Nintendo will once again admit they missed the boat and include HD in their next console, while the other 2 players move on to the next new technology and leave Nintendo behind again. Nintendo will always be playing catch-up if they stick with the idea of supplying cheaper hardware.

ajservo, you assume games are for kids. The average age of a video gamer is 30, although Nintendo gamers might be a little younger than that (no data to back that up, just a gut feeling).

If I can't plug my video gaming device to any TV I want at the age of 30, I have bigger problems.

To #32, that's a load of crap. Nintendo has already admitted that making the GC 'portable' was a pointless choice. The only time people are carrying their consoles around is when they take it from the shop to the space under their TV. This is where it stays until the next generation replaces it. If people want mobile gaming, they buy a handheld (see: Gameboy, DS, PSP).

I hope Nintendo is bright enough not to bother with that idea again. It was common sense all along, and I can't believe a multi-million pound international corporation like Nintendo made such a stupid choice in the first place.

Putting a handle on a console so that you can 'easily carry it around with you'. Oh yea, great idea, I'll take it with me next time I go camping. Except for the fact that I don't have a portable screen with a handle on it, and even if I did, last time I checked the outdoors didn't have electricity sockets to plug into. Doh!

Nintendo: keep making your innovative games with lots of gameplay, but please stop arsing about with novelty hardware ideas that simply don't work.

ajservo: You said 'I want gameplay over graphics. Graphics can stink to high heaven if the game's fun.'

That's great, and I agree - so does everyone else on this forum. By saying you'd rather have good games than games in HD you're implying that HD will make games poor - which obviously is not the case.

I will be playing my good games in HD on my nice wide-screen HD TV, while you play your good games in SD on a 14" portable.

For the meer fact that its going to be so cheap I and most people I know would pick one up just to get one for such a good price. That will make the revolution the most sold console and once you have one the gameplay will in everyone over.

“How would like it if someone told you that from now on you're going to have to play your games in 640x480 for the next 4-5 years while your friends play in 1280x720 or 1920x1080?”

But does the resolution doesn’t make that big a deal compared to the video card chipset. 640x480 with the latest card and eye candy turned up looks better then an older generation card at higher resolution. In fact when I play games on my PC I rarely will use the highest resolution, I will typically play at a lower resolution so I can turn up the eye candy and still have acceptable frame rates. I would still rather play a game at low resolution and have it look like the cut scenes in today’s generation of video games (which can come close to Jurassic Park, Lord of Rings etc.). For example, the cut scenes from Resident Evil 4, Prince of Persia, or Dead or Alive look better then actual game play I have seen from the 360 in HD. Shouldn’t the focus be on matching that level of quality on standard def?

Still haven’t heard a compelling argument for HD in video games.

I think Nintendo is on to something. What happens next Gen with the other systems. They get a little better. push a few more polys or what ever they will use by then. Gen after that the same thing...The change in graphics is getting smaller and smaller. Eventually you will have games that look like movies, and who really wants that? All the games will look too real and play the same way. when I saw the sweat in that NBA game for X-box 360, I got kinda grossed out, and I realized that they will reach a point of no return unless someone went a different path. Micro and Sony are hell bent on shoving what works down everyones throat, and for the most part, people swallow... ;D. Then the swallowers(I like calling them that) critisize change. Just remember history repeats itself. The movie industry is feeling this now. Look at all the movies with huge special effects, they arent doing as well as those kinda movies used to. People get bored of graphics, they need to change the way we watch movies cuz movies have reached an enpass, keep making the same type of movies and choke the industry, or inovate and change the industry for the better saving it. Same goes for games, it just might take a Gen or 2...Sorry for the long post, I tend to rant.

If the Revo. takes off like the DS what does that mean for the future? PS4 games with great graphics, Xbox games with reat graphics, and another underpowerd Nintendo system w/ HD and innovative ways of playing?

The people who are on here saying 'I'd rather have good games than ones that support HD!' are the same people who 5 years ago were on here saying 'I'd rather play good games than play online!'.

There's one small problem - what about the good games that are also online? You were denied those exactly the way you are beind denied HD now.

Imagine how great Mario Kart on the Cube would have been if you could play against anyone in the world over a WAN. If this had been the case, fanboys would have been raving about it until the cows came home. But alas, it was not the case, and you were limited to local split-screen while everyone else enjoyed online play.

Now Nintendo's going online but leaving HD out. 'History that is forgotten is destined to be repeated' is a very appropriate quote, no?

ink, a 360 and PS3 will work with SD too, you know that right? Project Gotham 3 for example has 4x antialiasing when viewed through SD, which I believe counts as your 'eye candy'.

Just because they support HD, it doesn't mean they will only work with this format.

It's nice to have the best of both worlds though and not be forced to live only in one.

I'm curious, has anyone besides me read "Blue Ocean Stategies"? If you have any doubt that Nintendo is going to absolutely dominate next-gen (profit-wise if nothing else), read that book. Greatest book ever, it will really help you understand what Nintendo is thinking, and why it's going to work.

Oh, and being a member of the video game press, Nintendo kindly gave me a copy of Reggie's entire presentation. Maybe I'll post it online later...

I can't believe that there are people who say they don't want HD support. Only people who can't afford an HDTV would say something like that. First, I would expect HDTV sales to increase a lot next year at this time. The market will finally be ready to support a price that the average consumer can afford. After watching true HD programming, it is hard to go back. The argument that a DVD looks the same on an HDTV as it does on a SDTV is pointless because DVDs are recorded in standard def. I still think DVDs look better on an HDTV though because of progressive scan being possible.
Why are people saying they would rather have good effects in games than HD? Why can’t we have both? The 360 and PS3 are going to end up being much more powerful hardware-wise than the Revolution. I think this is a given. Because of this, I think they will be able to display images in HD WITH all of the “eye candy” that many people here are referring to. To the person that said they turn the resolution down in their computer games to be able to display more effect I say this: I max the resolution AND effects in my games because I have better hardware than you. I don’t need to lower any settings. This will be the same when comparing the 360 and PS3 to the Revolution.
I can’t stand the fanboy remarks on these comments sometimes. How can you defend Nintendo’s stance on not supporting HD? This is just like they didn’t support DVD or online play in the last generation. You call them innovative? Sony and MS pushed DVD and online play and Nintendo is just following in their footsteps. I’m not saying the Revolution won’t have fun games, but I’m certainly not going to defend Nintendo’s stance on not supporting HD.

"Home consoles are going to be tougher for them. I think people are really underestimating the importance of the lack of HD support"

False. The people with buying power don't care.I think every hardcore gamer on earth is overestimating the importance of HD. If everyone wanted the best looking picture, they would buy PSPs and Xbox's. Not DS's and PS2's. PEOPLE. DONT. CARE. Only people with no pull on the market care. And since they have no pull- Who cares!

"I just hope for their sake, that they deliver a great experience or else they will end up 3rd again."

False. They were tied for second in market share, but all other things considered, Nintendo did much better than Microsoft this generation. Nintendo did GREAT financially and stayed competitive with a company not doing any better and LOSING billions of dollars.

“How would like it if someone told you that from now on you're going to have to play your games in 640x480 for the next 4-5 years while your friends play in 1280x720 or 1920x1080?”

Wait, are you asking us, the people on joystiq, or the people with the buying power? Because I think you know the answer for the former. For the latter, the answer is "What? I just want to play Nintendogs, dude. Get off my balls with your crazy talk".

I tried to send Joystiq a tip, they didnt use it so I will say it in this thread.

Developers are HAPPY with the REV, they figure they can put out GOOD titles in short times because it will be easy to develop for (just like the DS, Children of Mana was done in record time but the game still looks amazing) and will not have to cut corners to get games out like they are doing with the 360 already.

They even said the system had PLENTY of RAM.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=13482

Just read that article (or the one of my blog on my link, it has my opinions and puts things into perspective on the matter)