Mockup of Revolution controller demos

Hevy,

I agree with your points completely.

However, you are forgetting something.

The rev controller is going to make control mechanics possible the you couldn't simply "map" to a standard controller.

I like your ideas about mappings but the real fun lies in the 3d control that will be possible for the first time.

Would you want to "map" the analog stick function from Mario 64 to the D-Pad? Maybe somebody would, but you would lose a huge amount of control.

This is the way I envision the revmote to be. Its going to be different enough that the "classic" controller wont be able to duplicate it no matter how many buttons it has.

And, please people quit comparing the rev controller to the eye toy. If you have ever used an eye toy, you'll realize that its completely different and far too simple to approximate the control possibilities thats have been discussed by those who have had a hands on with the rev controller.

The eye-toy compares more closely to the nintendo bongos: I simple peripheral with very limited input capabilities.

Portnoy, you must have turned your brain off before posting too.
"Those games sell xbox's and PS3's my friend. Good games, sure, but not a big commodity on the gamecube unfortunately."

Did you ever think why they don't sell on GC? No online play and a lack of other features. Why buy the castrated version when you can get the full featured version on another system. The more software available for a system the better, period. You should want all those 3rd party games to be on Nintendo's system. That way you aren't forced to buy a Playstation or Xbox to play a game like Ghost Recon.

"Nintendo doesn't want ports", so they don't want Resident Evil 5 on the Rev huh...

"Leave the old fashioned ports to MS and PS3. Let them take last gen games, improve the graphics and then resell them. Thats fine. If REALLY want to play call of duty again, I'll buy an xbox360."

Right, and you'll be playing Super Smash Brothers, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Cart again except this time you'll be swinging your controller around. Same last gen game, barely improved graphics, resold to use a new controller.

ok, i took a laser pointed and circled things in my room.

I was extremely accurate. i even tried various seating postures, and i will was right on target.

It was kinda fun to test out. Accuracy and all the jazz are over-rated. I wanna see this thing in action on some flight games.

you get carpal tunnel syndrome when you move your fingers rapidly with your wrist at awkward angles, like using a mouse and right-clicking repeatedly, or even using a keyboard the traditional typist way. This is due to the finger tendons rubbing against the tunnel in the wrist and causing them to inflame.

The new controller eliminates that as you aren't using your fingers that much and the wrist is free, not pressed against a table.

The only bad thing is the arm-stress-syndrome-due-to-fatass-heavy-arms

Nope, the brain is fine petey. You just seem to have missed the point entirely.

Relax, whilst I attempt to stir some life into your miniature cerebrum.

"Did you ever think why they don't sell on GC?"

Yep, the titles don't appeal to the nintendo audience. Just like no self respecting xbox owner would purchase a game like pikmin or animal crossing.

You on the other hand claim the following reasoning:

"Why buy the castrated version when you can get the full featured version on another system."

There is a tidbit of logic in your claim, however, you ruin it as you then conveniently take the opposite stance in your next comment:

"You should want all those 3rd party games to be on Nintendo's system. That way you aren't forced to buy a Playstation or Xbox"

FORCED? Wait a minute! Just a second ago, you said everyone has all 3 and can choose which platform to buy games for and THATS why they didnt buy the gamecube version.

You really should think through your arguments before you go taking both sides of the debate.
It just makes you look like you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Does everyone own the other consoles or not? Please make up your mind.

""Nintendo doesn't want ports", so they don't want Resident Evil 5 on the Rev huh..."

You are exactly right. Nintendo doesn't want a Res Ev 5 port. They want it exclusive. They worked hard to get RE exclusivity on the cube but ended up losing it in the end. I guess you didnt know this or you wouldn't post such nonsense.

"Right, and you'll be playing Super Smash Brothers, Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Mario Cart again except this time you'll be swinging your controller around. Same last gen game, barely improved graphics, resold to use a new controller."

Dont forget super mario strikers!!! Man I can't wait for that one, it looks GREAT. Completely new game.
People need to realize that just because a game features mario, doesn't mean its the same game as another game with mario. The games you mentioned are some of the funnest this generation and are all completely different. Perhaps, you dont know the fun of a game that doesn't include the word "headshot".

Also,
I would hardly call a game with completely differernt control mechanics, new graphics and story the same game being resold. Thats a pathetic stretch at best. You're just trying to apply my argument against the 360 to the Rev, but it doesn't work. Everyone knows better controls allow for new game experiences. Better graphics are simply that, better graphics. They don't fundamentally change how a game is played the way improved 3d controls can. Would you give up your xbox360 controller for a old NES pad if in return you would get games at 1080P instead of 720P. Hmmmm. I'm guessing you wouldn't.

Admit it, 360 games are simply graphics enhanced versions of xbox games. This may be fine for some people, just not me.

And while I'm sure nintendo's plumber will be appearing frequently on the rev, its the new IP's that I'm REALLY looking forward to. Ok, and metroid prime should be pretty sweet too.

yes, I think we should all believe those strange ps3 fanboys instead of the developers that have actually used the thing...... ...... ..... and they are totally right, holding the control for long periods of time will probably give you cancer, and aids.. at the same time, as a matter of fact we should all just burn every game and just stare and droll over superhighdefinition pictures when you can actually count every hair of the character!!!!!!! THATS NEXT GEN!!!!

Considering vince's comment Nitnedo is making a step towards violence,even though it is cartoon violence. Strikers involves illegal checks, electric fences, kicking hardball into goalies, and super stirkes that looks like it can punch hole in a steel fortress.
Plus I can see a Mario game probably with a arsenal of powerups and rides in the future after all powerup is one of Mario's signatures. so I just saying Strikers is evidence that Nintendo isn't so kiddy. So remember I speak with evidence.

I hate fanboys so much...
Now, yeah, I do think the rev controller is stupid and is a very brave move from nintendo. I dont' care about playing with it IF the games are good. I already bought my 360 and will buy the PS3 and Rev. JUST for the games. Halo 3, Devil May Cry 4, Zelda series. Don't care about the controller.
to portnoy, better graphics in fact result in a better game. just as a better controller. remember the analog controller on the N64? the stunning 3D graphics on PSone? that was next gen in those times. Also, I do think that ALL mario games have something in common. If not, it woudn't be a mario game (duh). And in ALL new consoles (succesful consoles of course), a new good game franchise is being born. For example, Xbox: Fable, Halo. PS2: Devil May Cry, Katamari. Gamecube: Fire Emblem (in America). Now, shut your fanboy mouth up.

Videos awesome, although for the fighting I think it'd be better if it was like ; pressing A = Kick, but depending on if you swing the control up or down will result in a high or low kick. Something like that. But on the debate of how the Revolution controller will suck for FPS...are you crazy? honestly, did you skip your medication today? It won't work because your hand shakes...valid arguement, especially when real soldiers fighting in Russia in the dead of Winter have the steadiest of hands...mhmm, ya. It's funny (And this has been touched on) that games like MGS add a shakey aim to the sniper mode and people say 'OMFG THATS AMAZING ITS SO REAL!' but Nintendo gives you the real thing (if your shaky, ur shaky-practice) and people say it sucks. Guess what, your a fanboy. It's alright people just won't like you, but you have friends online like you who you "Pwn w/ ur L337 skillz"

Anyways. I totally agree with the F-Zero bit, I thought that how it should be done, the mario thing would be cool with the nunchuck attachment although I don't think Mario 128 will use it.

By the way, to say the Revolutions online will be the EXACT same as the DS's is probably not the best assumption to make. I'm sure there will be similarities. Possibly the numbers. But I'm sure Nintendo will make it a much much deeper online experience, especially considering the 'Nintendo Power' homepage, the Download service, and all that jazz. It's obvious that wi-fi will have quite a bit to do with the User Interface meaning it will be much more important to Nintendo on the Rev than it is on the DS. Don't forget that the DS is merely a handheld which relies on software to go online (hoping for a firmware upgrade to implement maybe a news page, and wifi pictochat.) but thats that.

@Lobo

You hate fanboys, well I hate stupid people pretending to know what they are talking about.

"better graphics in fact result in a better game"

Ok, I'll bite. You say "in fact". Please give me some facts that PROVE better graphics = better games. Ok, How about I give YOU some facts?

Zelda Ocarina of time or shadow the hedgehog.
Which has better graphics? and which is a better game? Hint: Shadow has better graphics but is NOT a better game.

Ok, Mario 64 and Mario sunshine? Better graphics? = better game? Hint: you're an imbecile.

Yeah, thats right. Your statement is idiocy. Even in poorly translated english, still idiocy.

"the stunning 3D graphics on PSone? that was next gen in those times."

Yeah, they made the jump to 3-D. Thats a MAJOR leap worthy of a generation change. I'm sorry but from 2D to 3D is just not the same as from 480P to 720P. A bump in resolution is not even close to adding an additional DIMENSION! Wake up and smell the burritos man.

"Also, I do think that ALL mario games have something in common. If not, it woudn't be a mario game (duh)."

Of course they have something in common you dolt. They are mario games. No one ever said they didnt have something in common. I said, "just because a game features mario, doesn't mean its the same game as another game with mario."

Thats still true. Please bring some facts on that one too. Yeah, thats gonna be even harder than the last one.

And yes, I'm a fanboy. A GAMING fanboy. I like gaming. On every console, every generation since the 2600. So flame me if you want, but at least back it up with something more than a steaming pile of bullshit.

I thought the controller would have appeared more logical than that. To me it looks like its actually a step backwards. I dont even think your going to see many of those types of games on the revolution...think of more games like, Mario Party , those will be more common, little gimicky games and tech demos.

Everyone seems to be raving about Fzero but i honestly think thats going to be the most uncomfortable way to play a driving game ever. I had Logitech wingman which had the gyroscope controllers and after trying to use it a few time I left it disabled forever.

I hope things turn out better than that for nintendos sake. And all the developers raving about the controller that say they have all these ideas...all they have a gimmicky tech demo ideas. Your going to have the same number of actual innovative games on the regular joystick as you do on the revultion controller.

For god sake why do people have this trouble understanding the concept behind the rev controller. It is not just a pointer. It is not equivalent to the EyeToy. Those both register motion in 2D space. The rev controller registers in 3D space. It's a 3D analogue stick!!! It also has tilt sensitivity so that is 6 degrees of freedom - 2 more than dual control sticks.

Accuracy? Jitter? Surely compensation can be added (only register movements above a certain threshold)?

I don't understand why people are so set on knocking an innovative interface method without trying it. Why are people scared of change? Just because you can't think of control schemes for every current genre imaginable doesn't mean other can't.

Are people worried they'll have to start from a level playing field again, where newbies have a chance of competing until everyone bones up on the new ways of playing?

I've not tried the controller, but I have used motion sensor technology before and it works wonderfully. Nintendo are also a company reknowned for the durability and quality of their hardware products (whatever you think about the maturity of their IP).

Does anyone seriously believe that Nintendo haven't developed a feasible control system here? You might prefer the PS3 or 360. You might love your analogue stick controls (which are very, very good for many styles of game). You might want to punch Mario's stupid moustachioed face every time you see it. But you can't seriously believe that a company as profit and quality conscious as Nintendo would release a controller that doesn't work well.

Honestly the revolution is the only system that interests me right now. I might want an xbox 360 if I had HD tv but I don't plan on buying one anytime soon so what's the point? I know people with HD tv and none of them play video games on them. game systems are ussually in the kids room on a old 24 inch SD tv.

The rev controllers are going to be different. I fully expect them to be ackward the first time I try them. But hey I was one of the last PC gamers to play fps games with arrow keys. You can't play counterstrike with arrow keys so I grabbed a mouse and I adapted and it sucked for the first 2 weeks.

All of you hating the new nintendo controller please tell me what's the alternative? do we pile 6 more buttons on the nextgen controllers? modern controllers are just fancier version of the 2600 controller with it's 1 big red button. You notice there's virtually no innovation in the other controller designs because we're at the limit of what the average person can handle.

The snes was the first system with shoulder buttons. The n64 was the first to boast rumble feature and analog. the wavebird was the first GOOD wireless controller. nintendo has been the ONLY innovator in controllers for the past 20 years. The revolution's controllers are a 3D answer to 3D games. And 3d games have been around for 10 years already if anything a new concept in controllers is overdue.

10 years ago when N64 hit there massive demand for it initially. Mario 64 was revolutionary and people wanted to play. With hindsight we see that N64 was a massive mistake for nintendo. What were the 2 biggest complaints about the system? expensive games because it was cartridge based, and it's SGI based hardware was very difficult to program.

What are the major complaints about the xbox 360? expensive games because of the requirment that all games be in HD. And as I said earlier how many people play games on HD tv? The biggest complaint about the PS3? impossible to program, this was a problem on the PS2 but With this multicore processor it's even worse. multi core processors have been in development for years and even now I haven't herd anyone come up with a effective way to program games for them.

Meanwhile nintendo's content to push standard definition TV's to there limit which isn't gonna look all that bad in HD either. And the rev is so backward compatible with the GC that anyone who knows how to program the GC already half of what they need to know for the revolution. Quicker development times in the early years, Games that stay below the $50 price barrier.

Small developers are gonna be driven away from PS3 and 360 and run to nintendo because they simply can't swing the development costs, Medium size developers will just copy whatever's a hit because they can't afford a flop So they'll save the new ideas for the revolution. Big developers like EA already own the hit franchises and will just pop more sequel's. I can't see how this doesn't win back a ton of 3rd party support.

Add to that nintendo's online strategy. Yea they haven't had one before but now they're doing right, free and easy. Mario Kart DS is their first online offering and 45% percent of people who bought that game went online with it. I've finally decided to buy a DS because of Mario Kart. xbox live has had something like 15% of all xbox players. nintendo's gonna be the place for online gaming in the next generation.

I've never heard anyone who's ever actually used the rev controllers complain about them. For all the warnings about the DS being another virtual boy gimick sales are equal to the psp. Nintendo has the most innovative game developers in the industry. When was the last time nintendo made a bad game? A game that was panned by everybody including YOUR favorite review forum? Honestly... think about that.

At the very least you gotta admire them for being different. If this pans out nintendo will be THE source of innovation in the industry. This whole scenario I just laid out isn't guaranteed but nothing ever is. They need a few things to break their way but if it pays off they'll be back where they were 20 years ago.

Just to disclaim myself here: I'm not a Nintendo fan boy; in fact during the N64 and GCN years I've always been one of their biggest detractors - but the whole concept of the Rev has single handedly reignited my interest in a gaming industry that, of late, has only appeared interested in increasing the level of eye-candy. At this stage there are a lot of IFs and BUTs, but if Nintendo pull this off and get the developer support they deserve the Rev will be truly phenomenal - and that's why I'm so exciting.

As an aside, people who were lucky enough to get a hands on with the early demos have attested how staggeringly accurate and intuitive the Rev controller is (and amongst these people you can count many a jaded and cynical journo, which gives me even more hope that gaming is finally going to move forward this gen).

Well what can I say.This isnt about fanboyism, its about the games.
Nintendo is a very innovative company, but you guys are just as bad as the guys talking negative about the rev.Be honest, this has never been done, what makes you think this will be so extreme.You should always expect the worse, and that way you arent let down if its good. Yeah swinging the thing like nunchucks good idea,Make sure you have plenty of space and hide all the vases!The guy was right about ports.You must be an idiot if you think that all new ips will be om the rev.If thats what you want or hope for be prepared to be disappointed.I mean guys this is technically an accessory!It could have been released on the gamecube.And if you dont use it with every game, its just an accessory.Its a gimmick if you ask me.will I get one?yeah and I want it to suceed.But it wont be as good as you guys think.Nintendo cant make all the games, hell they did that last gen and came in third.Nintendo has its fanboys just like every other system.Being a dev why go to the extreme and make games that fully utilize the revs controller when your spending millions on the ps3 and xbox360?The ports will be watered down!Did most games take advantage of the xboxs graphical capabilities?And were talking about graphics, not a new gameplay scheme!No they didnt.The devs cant just waste money and resources pushing out games that might tank, hence they go with the proven cash flow.Nintendo has been feeding us the same stuff for years and now they will do it again in one fell swoop!Do I care about fanbiys?No I dont.Im more mature then calling someone an idiot because they disagree with me.And all over the internet.If the rev takes off and hits first place we will see some great strides, but if it doesnt, and I justy dont feel it will we will see nintendo trying to carry the game system on its back again.Whats so innovative about the mario games?Yeah the 64 version was nice but its all the same since with nice graphics.Luigis mansion wasnt fun neither was sunshine!I even bought the cube before the other systems!Just look at the game reviews of the current gen.Nintendo nearly always fell behind except in the graphic department.Nintendo knows that the nintendo fanboys will buy it no matter what.They have a loyal fanbase.I grew up on nintendo so it hurts to see thge company like this, but thats what happens when you tell the gamers what they want instead of listening.They havent listened since the snes.64, sure I wanted to play cd's on it , gamecube?sure I wanted to play dvd's on it.Hell even 3do played cds!c'mon people!And im not bashing nintendo because the other guys are similar, but this topic is about nintendo.M$ HAS BROUGHT NEW THINGS TABLE AS OF LATE!Xbox live, custom soundtracks, hd era, functioning with a windows media center pc.This is innovation also.Lets hope they can get better rpgs though.

nintendo sucks!

see how that offended you guys!You guys are to old to be on a forum arguing about games!I own pretty much every system, yet I don t hate companies for nothing!Well I hate sony!They lie alot, but nintendo hasnt offered any new innovations either outside of the n64 controller!The gamecube was geared towards a younger demographic.When is the last time you saw a nintendo commercial?Their games do consist of dare I say kiddie games.Watch out now they're gonna be mad now!Men like sports, and theres nothing wrong with sports, but we also like to talk trash and we like it alot.Im not disowning the females, but im not a female, hence I wont comment on what they like.Not all men feel the way I do.You gotta remember that alot of people wont be using this controller because it will make them look stupid.Im all for change, but this will be an accessory, and nothing more.Ill get one but why swing a joystick like nunchuck?Im not trying to be a ninja.Hide all the vases, and pictures while swinging that thing.Im not bashing nintendo, just stating the obvious.If it doesnt take of we will see the gamecube all over again.So much potential, but no one wanted the risks.Talk about gta all you want but it is humorous, not really fun, but humorous.Xbox has consistently been bashed on this site, yet I dont know why.Nintendo, nor sony would even take online serious if not for m$.I remember Satoru Iwata stating that online wasnt important, but now its a selling point for the rev.And dont think, it will be like live, it will be like sonys online plan.The original xbox was huge, but it offered customized soundtracks!That was pretty good for me.People state well it was just a pc, and whats your point?It will be just like last gen, and im not trying to rain on anyones parade, I just dont see the controller with that much appeal a year after release.The ds is innovative yet what devs have actually used that second screen for anything other than a map?Not many.

Thank you trurkdaone. Great post and what I was trying to say above.

Just a quick question. How does someone buy a system, play a system, and use not the controller? "It'll make them look stupid"?

If they weren't going to embrace this new controller so completly they wouldn't make it THE big selling point of the system.

Ok one more question where did you get the impression that you swing them like nunchucks? I unconditionally promise no game will ever play like that because very few people have the martial arts training to properly or safely do that.

Oh yea one other tiny correction Satoru Iwata never said online wasn't important. He said it wasn't important AT THE MOMENT (which was 4 years ago). today broadband is in far more homes and is available almost everywhere which means there are enough potential customers to be worth the effort. Also today we have a common wireless standard 802.11 which very new and in flux 4 years ago. The proper technology wasn't in place then, now it is and nintendo ready to dive in.

Very interesting topic and even more interesiting discussion. As such, I would like to voice my thoughts and hopefully add someting to the discussion in the process. It seems to me that there are people who consider the chance of Nintendo succeeding with their new remote-like controller to be extremely low, those who think that Revolution will become the new, innovative force in the gaming industry and lastly those who take the middle road and say until it happens, no judegement should be made and consequently no haste predictions about its chance of success. Where do I stand? I personally believe that all three sides have valid points, but I also have to say that third opinion describes my stance best. And as such, I will try to point out what I think are the valid points from first two opinions and my worries concerning those valid points.
No matter how innovative or revolutionary, it's the people who in the end decides whether Revolution will become successful or not. Nintendo's desire to introduce previously non video game playing audience to the industry and thus creating the stimulus for the need to create new and different concepts for games are definitely noble and original in nature, especically when most people can agree with the current game industry's emphasis on graphics. What worries me is how this stance of Nintendo on the need to "revitalize" the industry by bringing in new and fresh gamers previously unexposed to the culture of gaming all seem too familiar to the stance which they took during the current generation of gaming: "no need for online", over emphasis on maintaining its clearly declining loyal fan base among other things. I think most people can agree that Nintendo marches to its own drums and that to those who can't agree with its practices, also marches against the tide of time, against what the general public wants. But my opinion is that Nintendo shouldn't take such a stance in the upcoming generation which has begun with the launch of XBOX360, for the worst case scenario is far more serious this time around: imagine, if you will, what will happen if Nintendo's "revolutionary stance", its unflinching desire to walk to its own beats, fails to gather the support of people. Nintendo will be left with, if and only if current speculation regarding the specs of Revolution holds any truth, the console that's decidedly underpowered than its competitors whose iterations of the games will look definitely different even to the average consumer's eyes, less so at the beginning, but more profoundly as the next generation advances. Could Nintendo possible do well in the industry, never mind beating Sony or Microsoft when most average, non video game playing audience are more inclined to become sold on the concept of better graphics?
But on the other hand, it's important to realize that nothing is set in stone, that no one can predict the future. In a bit of somewhat unrelated but still relevant note in my point of view, who, when Sony first announced its decision to make Play Station 1, thought that Sony would be leading the industry by the time 21st century came along? Who actually thought that Sony could best Sega, industry veteran, and its Saturn so completely?(There actually was a time when Sega Saturn's market share was ahead of Sony Play Station 1, at least in Asia.) The point here is that since the success or faliure of Revolution is the event which will take place in future, no can really say whether it's going to fail or succeed. But rather that it's "likely" to succeed or "unlikely" to succeed. Regardless of all this debate on the chance of Revolution succeeding however, it's interesting to think about what Nintendo would have done with Revolution or next generation console if they retained the lead in the market share which they establisehed during the era of 8-bit Nintendo: would they still be trying to bring "Revolution" into the game industry?
In the end, I believe that it would be interesting for people to consider my point of view on the game industry: whoever wins the race to become the leader of market, the gamers will always win.

Don't you guys know that better graphics make better games? Look at movies, for example:

Better Effects: Better movie / Worse Effects: Worse Movie
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The Phantom Menace / A New Hope
Van Helsing / Bram Stoker's Dracula
Alexander / Braveheart
The Fog / The Fog

See, the better something looks, the better it is!

I'm 29 and I prefer Nintendo games to PS2/XBox games because they're simply more fun. The Revolution is going to give us new and more fun ways to play games. The PS3/360 are just going to give us PS2/XBox games with better graphics. Personally, I'm tired of FPS/Sports/Racing/Tactical games.

One of the most fun games I've ever played was Samba de Amigo on the Dreamcast. What made it fun was the maracas, not the graphics. It was a total blast! Why do you think Guitar Hero is so big right now? It's breaking ground into new gameplay and control.

I'm not willing to spend my money on games like Roster Update, New Tracks, New Scripted Events, etc. I want something different rather than the endless parade of sequels out of the same tired genres Sony and MS are shoving down our throat.

I'm ready for something different. Bring it on Nintendo, I'll be in line on launch day.

Do you WATCH games? Or do you PLAY games?

Would you rather drool over Graphics and watch? Or would you rather PLAY in a whole new way? (with better graphics than this gen)

skyrous (#62): "The snes was the first system with shoulder buttons. The n64 was the first to boast rumble feature and analog. the wavebird was the first GOOD wireless controller. nintendo has been the ONLY innovator in controllers for the past 20 years."

Not quite; XBox has analog face buttons and shoulder triggers, and the Dreamcast's VMU offered an in-controller display before the GBA-GameCube link.

By the way, add the d-pad (Game & Watch), expansion port (N64), and differentiated face buttons (GameCube) to your list. ^_^

To Vejadu, portnoy:
Actually, we all have our points:
"Zelda Ocarina of time or shadow the hedgehog.
Which has better graphics? and which is a better game? Hint: Shadow has better graphics but is NOT a better game."
Yeah, Iagree with you. You got it. BUT, I've got a fact: GTA2 bad graphics, GTA3 great graphics, great game. Just an example.

To portnoy:
"Yeah, they made the jump to 3-D. Thats a MAJOR leap worthy of a generation change. I'm sorry but from 2D to 3D is just not the same as from 480P to 720P. A bump in resolution is not even close to adding an additional DIMENSION!"
I do think it is an advance and a great step. If you think having better resolution, better graphics, and more options in a console, like Xbox 360's Hard Drive, it is your problem.

"Wake up and smell the burritos man."

WTF?!?!!??!?!

Now, shut your fanboy mouth up.

@ lobo

dude, you screwed up, shouldnt it be
"I do think it is an advance and a great step. If you DONT think having better resolution, better graphics, and more options in a console, like Xbox 360's Hard Drive, IS AN ADVANCE it is your problem."?

ther is an option that says "preview your comments"

Yeah, I screwed up. Thanks for tellin'

All this bellyaching about the Revo contorller reminds me of the saying "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

Let's say that the existing control scheme (pad with buttons) is a hammer. It's been around for a long time. I had a few tweaks here and there, but all in all, it still is a hammer and nail combo.

Suddenly Nintendo comes out with a screwdriver and a screw combo in the revolution, and says that it will change how you play.

The detractors start to shout. "What the hell? That screwdriver is not heavy enough to drive that screw in! And how can you drive that screw in with those ridges around it?"

My question is why are people trying to fit the revolution control scheme with the old control scheme? I thought the whole point of it was to change how you play console games altogether?

Some folks mentioned about game ports. I think that companies that will be most successful developing game ports (Soul Calibur for example) would be the ones who would throw away the existing control scheme and create a new experience that would fully utilize the wand/nunchuck. A straight mapping of controls to the wand or requirement of the old school control attachment would be a big problem, since the deciding factor between buying the Nintendo version against buying the other two versions would then be graphics, and the Rev isn’t all about graphics.

Here is another question: If you change the control scheme on a port so much that it’s a different experience, then is it really a port, or a totally different game?

I’m intrigued as to what Nintendo et al will show in May. But at the same time, I won’t be completely sold on the game until it’s in my hands.

Even if the controller fails, something which judging from first hand reports as well as annoucements from publishers and developers is looking more and more unlikely I will still buy this system anyway.

The prospect of being able to download old Nintendo games is amazing, on top of that since this virtual console system looks like it could add new content to old games I won't be surprised if some of them are given a form of online play using Nintendo Wi-Fi. Also I don't see why games like the next super smash bros won't allow for more than 4 players playing online on a map at the same time. Just imagine a huge battlefield with 20 players, massively fun chaos is all I can think of.

For some reason I have a sneaking suspicion that Super Smash Bros REV is going to be a massively online FIRST PERSON fighting experience.

That video was retarded... I am a big fan of Nintendo and I want to see what THEY are going to do with the controller. This video was nothing but somebody with too much free time putting into a video the same things everyone has been spazzing about for the past couple months.

"IMAGINE USING IT TO JUMP AS MARIO!"
"IMAGINE USING IT TO SWING A SWORD!"
"IMAGINE USING TWO OF THEM TO WIELD TWO GUNS!"

Yes, we have ALL imagined it by now. Countless articles have been saying this exact same thing over and over again. It's getting old. If people don't have anything original to come up with, why bother repeating what everyone else has repeated a thousand freaking times.

@Some Random Poster

You speak the truth my friend. You make several points I have been trying to make repeatedly. (albeit, you stated them better IMO)

I said:

"The rev controller is going to make control mechanics possible the you couldn't simply "map" to a standard controller."

You said:
"My question is why are people trying to fit the revolution control scheme with the old control scheme? I thought the whole point of it was to change how you play console games altogether?"

I agree with you completely. Its nice to have people on here who can comment objectively without glorifying or villifying any particular console.


@lobo

Learn to talk before you spaz your fanboy shart on here please. Thanks!

Someone, please, explain to me how people are so ubelievably retarted? Passing judgement on something they've never experienced, nigh, even seen truly experienced. It's absolutely amazing how these people think they have a perfectly accurate understanding for such a complicated device that they've not so much as even seen in person.

Please, make the stupid people shut up...

All you guys talking about how efficient the rev will be about optimizing its available power check out this story on nintendo's most recent patent applications:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12/12/nintendo_displacement_mapping/