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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I have a good feeling the GBE will just turn out to be a portable GameCube.

Think about it
GBC = NES
GBA = SNES
DS = N64

The next logical step would be to create a handheld that did GameCube quility games and If your going to do that might as well let it play GameCube games. It would also let them start off with a large libery of games for it. and It would let people who own a Revolution be able to play them on a TV like the GameBoy Player with out the need of extra hardware.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I would prefer the Game Boy line stay in 2D territory, simply to preserve "retro" gaming if nothing else. That would make sense with Nintendo having the DS as a "third pillar". And it better have backlight.

Nice stab about the colors, though. I always get mad because I buy the consoles before the pretty colors come out. Not with the Rev, though...I'm going shiny black or shiny white.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I think nintendo was holding a next generation gameboy back because of sony's PSP and the possiblity that the DS might not sell very well.

But well, we know now hah. The DS is awesome and has a fantastic lineup, probably the best of 2005, even with counting the consoles. And the PSP, is a piece of crap line-up wise. Sure there's GTA but thats it.

Anyway, since DS is selling fantastic i dont think nintendo will pull out the next-gen gameboy anytime soon. Maybe in a couple of years.

But it would be very weird to see a classic gameboy without touchscreen. The extra screen may go, its not that important, but the touchscreen is very important and should become standard on all handhelds (PSP2 will have a touchscreen when it comes out i bet)
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I would put money that Nintendo won't release a Game Boy "Evolution" just because it would ensure the failure of either the GBE or the DS. Developers would probably have end up choosing one of the handhelds to develop on, and I have a hard time believing that consumers would by both a DS and a GBE. I think the GBE was Nintendo's backup plan if the DS flopped.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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After looking at the most recent sales figures, I'm thinking the DS has become the "first pillar"...

Nintendo has no need to dilute the handheld market any further. I have a feeling that any near-term plans for a "true GameBoy successor" have been scrapped in light of the DS's financial success.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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If they made a compact, powerful, 3d, traditional handheld, with real analog control (Even if it had like 2 buttons and 2 shoulders, if it had some analog movement I'd be happy), I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Maybe. Really I think the DS is the right idea for a handheld, just save the super powerful systems for sitting on your couch, not on the go. But I can't say a GBE like described above doesn't sound awesome.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I'm also going to say that any plans Nintendo might have had for another handheld are going to be put on hold for the time being. I honestly think DS: Year One has been as close to a "best case scenario" for Nintendo as possible. Another handheld would risk diluting the market too much.

Though to be fair, I think all new handhelds from here on out from Nintendo will be backlit.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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This article is way off the mark.

The Game Boy Micro is the current evolution of the Game Boy, and the DS' line will be the "high tech" GB line. I'm interested by the idea of losing the second screen, but I don't think it's likely: sometimes you need the entire second screen simply for the controller (ie in the fps genre), and you would lose DS back compatibility almost entirely.

We won't be seeing a properly new GB (GBE if you must call it that, although I think DSE makes more sense) for at least 3 years. We've got plenty of DS SPs to tide as along though.

Ian
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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- It will be fully backwards-compatible with the GAMECUBE!!!11 That would make sense for 2 reasons: 1. It would totally pwn the PSP, and 2. the Gamecube discs are pretty small, so they would actually fit into a portable device.

Maybe it will simply be a portable Gamecube with a 640x480 screen...

- It will have a camera and microphone, so that you can record movies and save them on SD-cards

- It will be able to use any mobile-phone connection available nearby, so that you can go online ANYWHERE (but you have to pay the same amount of money as you would with your mobile phone)

- it will cost 5€ (give or take a few zeroes...)
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I doubt ths system won't be backlit. Nintendo has got the message there! I'm pretty excited about GBE because when it comes to handhelds, Nintendo knows what they're doing.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Just for the record, that whole "GBE SP" thing... yeah, that was a joke (and also quite a convenient place to split the post). ;)

There's no doubt in my mind that should Nintendo ever release another non-backlit handheld, the gaming public would simultaneously rise up in a terrible wave of anger and furious vengeance, the likes of which have never been witnessed by God or man or Miyamoto.

But that's just my opinion.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Honestly, I really don't think a GameBoy Evolution is needed at the moment. The DS is doing extremely well, but then again, so is the GBA. I think a more interesting question would be, "how will the next iteration of the DS be like?" "Is another iteration even needed?" Nonetheless, that's some pretty cool speculation, and although I disagree on some things, it's still cool. :)
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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i still think the idea of another handheld in the gameboy line as being completely retarded. The DS is more than capable of being nintendo's premiere handheld for a very long time, and they are just beginning to exploit its underlying technologies! Seriously, this and the constant discussion of a next gameboy at the 4CR mailbag is driving me insane, is every THAT anxious to drop another 150$-200$ on ANOTHER portable system when the one they have already has a touch screen, microphone, TWO screens AND wifi???

And we definitely do not need ANOTHER system just to play 2D games.... the DS and GBA are both more than capable of doing the dutues (Gunstar super heroes or Super Princess Peach anyone?)... and that next iteration of the GBA could very well have been the micro.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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So if I follow this correctly: Nintendo mentioned a new Gameboy 1.5 years ago, and we haven't heard anything since; that is, if you ignore the appearance of the Gameboy Micro. And you're ignoring the Micro....why?

The DS is the core of Nintendo's handheld market. The GBA market is slowing, and as the DS continues to gain market share, people will start to abandond the GBA over time. What would Ninty gain from having a GB with superior technology to the DS? Not much, that I can see.

And given their propensity to step-aside from the technology war and their decision to make development easier, not more complicated, for developers, I can't see them splitting their audience. Of course, I think it's also obvious that Ninty doesn't give a rat's toss about GB/GBC game backwards compatability...and frankly I think they're right.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I really hope they redesign the DS. Despite the incredible lineup, I'm not going to invest in the DS until they redesign the form factor, ideally making it more sturdy looking and thinner. I realise this is an incredibly shallow comment but, for now, the DS looks too early-90s and plasticy to be taken seriously.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Some people seem to be under the impression that the DS is intentionally the next revision of the Game Boy, to which I must reply... no. No. Just... no. Nintendo never intended the DS to be a Game Boy. In fact, they could have marketed it as a Game Boy and boosted sales significantly. So why didn't they? Because _it_isn't_a_Game_Boy_. As of this moment, and until one or the other becomes unprofitable, there are two branches to Nintendo's handheld strategy. Each will progress in their own ways with their own strengths and weaknesses. There's certainly room for more than one, if the differentiation (see article) is there.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Reginald P: I don't think you want the DS to look "more sturdy looking", but "cooler". Nothing wrong with that, but I've been using the DS daily for a solid year now, and it's pretty damn sturdy. I've dropped it on the train several times now; the screen and system have performed just fine.

I think you will see a second-generation model of the DS, similar to the SP vesion of the GBA...a refinement of the original concept. I'm not sure I'd expect a radical departure design-wise, though.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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My prediction;

-There will be a redesign of the DS to match the Revolution (think GC+SP), looking cross bred with the Game Boy micro.

-The GB2 will be insanely powerful, able to run Gamecube ports (the GC uses a G3 processor, if you didn't know the latest G3 is VERY cool running and uses little power. look at Apple's G3 laptops.) It will have a very high resolution capable of running the Rev's download catalogue. It will not be very big and, like all Nintendo's handhelds, will be extremely awesome and dominate the market. Graphics of a PSP, the sheer goodness of GBA/DS.

-The Rev's design will remain unchanged from the prototype demoed at E3.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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No backlight until the GBE SP...?

No.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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"The DS is the core of Nintendo's handheld market. The GBA market is slowing"

Maybe surprisingly, this is not true. The GBA line continues to dominate in handheld sales, by something like 2:1 over the DS and PSP (which are still reasonably close, though the gap is widening).

Together, the DS and GBA lines have about 75% market share. Which I will agree with whoever else said is probably the best-case scenario that Nintendo could have hoped for this year. But it's the GBA at around 50% and the DS at around 25%, not the other way around.

Nintendo knows - and it's been true for the entire history of portable gaming - that price, battery life and simplicity are way more important than power in a portable system. That's why the GBA line continues to sell, and it's why the original 8 bit Game Boy chugged along for so long despite more powerful competitors like the Atari Lynx and NEC Turbo Express. Nintendo is doing the same thing to Sony that they did to Atari, NEC and Neo Geo - they are schooling them on the handheld market.

The DS was sort of a hedge against the PSP - it successfully outflanked the PSP and has suppressed Sony's market share. But I honestly believe the GBA is still Nintendo's bread and butter and that's borne out by the sales numbers. There's no doubt profit margins on the GBA are also higher - this is not cutting-edge hardware anymore, and they're still selling the Micro for $99.

The DS could *eventually* take over from the GBA, but it is not the core of their market yet. And an updated GB could just as easily supplant the DS - the Game Boy name has a lot more cachet and name recognition among average consumers than the "DS" name does.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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One of the commenters said a second screen isn't really needed. I absolutely disagree. In fact, I think most people really don't realize how important or useful that second screen is. Someone was talking about FPS', that's a great example. But especially after playing Mario Kart DS, I realized how useful a second screen can be. Not just for the map, but for so many little subtle things that really make a difference. I'm at a point where I would find it weird to have a portable system without two screens. Honestly, I don't think Nintendo needs a next GameBoy. I dig the DS a lot, they might as well just stick to that line of systems. The fact that I play my DS more than any console I have, which I own all three by the way, tells me that Nintendo is doing something right.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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If they do make a new Game Boy, it better have the same screen preportions as a god damn television (or better yet, widescreen) this time. That "short" screen that prevents Pocket NES from being short of perfect sucks.

It should also have flash stick memory for storing downloaded ROMs and should let you play the NES and SNES games you downloaded to your Revolution.

To all the people who keep saying the GameBoy won't be coming back because of the DS...
No way. Even though the DS is a success now, GameBoy has been and continues to be just as much of a success.

Hey! Maybe if the downloadable Revolution content is a huge hit, they'll make the new GameBoy into a 2D masterpiece with all the processing power dedicated to making 2D games the likes of which nobody's ever seen.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I'm not gonna say no to the ability to play gameboy games backlit, its killing me that i can't play Links awakening on my DS, but considering that most shops dont really stock many GB/GBC games anymore it seems a bit..redundant to offer that suppourt. *shrug*

..Unless they were downloadable via the rev backwards compatability service of course :p!

Gameboy next won't have carts. Gameboy next will be pure emulation, freeing up devs for the Rev and DS :).
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I hope they won't canibalise their DS with the new gameboy, it would be such a shame.. but would be like apple, dropping their most popular mp3 player before the christmas period for the iPod nano, idiots? no risky? yes..

erm, yeah i just hope my DS doesn't become redundant just over a name.. or they don't cripple the features.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I'm agreeing with ALH. The next gameboy is going to be a device you connect to your revolution to take your emulated games on the go, SNES and NES, more than likely. It MAY have the GBA slot, but then again, it might not. It might be a dedicated emulation machine.

And yes, it's going to have lighting:p Don't be stupid.

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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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One thing that it was said by nintendo, i don't know if it is official, but the DS will comunicate with the Revolution. Besides, the GB series has been always for the unexpensive market, not for the biggest graphics, so i think that wen, if ever the gameboy evolution comes out it is not going to be much if any mor powerfull that the Nintendo DS, so they can keep costs low. I think the next gameboy will not be much more powerful but it will compensate it with other features like analog controls, better resolution, online features, tilt and rumble or any other little advances. Something that keep them under the hundred dollars but make them more apealing.

Sorry for the grammar, my english is under construction :P
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Link's Awakening DX looks awesome on the new screen GBA/SP!
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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We'll see a redesigned DS before we get a new generation Gameboy... I don't really see a need for a new Gameboy if they get the new DS right... Since DS games can be made to handle analog input(touch screen commands), there is no reason why a simple analog stick couldn't be put on the DS. Something like the yellow camera stick from the N64 would be good enough, IMO... durable and rubbery for grip.

Peace out.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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I'm for a portable gamecube, with internal flash memory, interactivity with revolution , no disk drive just flash memory reader,Nintendo could surprise us with wide screen ( I doubted ), and they can release it even now, it won't hurt DS sales at all, it's all about multiple products, even the Micro is doing really good, so Xmas 2006 is possible, and keep in mind that noone did know about the GB Micro until Reggie reveal it at E3, so they can do the same thing in the E3 2006, like a Revolution + GBE package , with same design and lots of interactivities, this could even be Revolution last secret, who knows !!.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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One must remember that the Gameboy Micro line is not going to be a continued series, Nintendo made it just bonus and a limited time only set.

If they do make another Gameboy sometime soon that is not a limited time only like the Micro, we can guess based off a few things.

Nintendo has become big on making development easy. The DS is easy to work on, and the Revolution is similar enough to the Gamecube that it is also easy to make.
Thus the next Gameboy will be either easy to use or similiar enough to other systems it isn't that hard to get used to it.
My best guess, it will be able to use Gamecube discs.

Nintendo loves to connect their systems, even if it doesn't always work that well.
Thanks to Bluetooth and other systems used by Nintendo, it is easier and mostly hassle free now.
The next Gameboy will be wi-fi, to connect to other systems.

It will go through a remake a year and half after it's been released, give or take some months.

A portable Gamecube though would be nice, as I remember the fun I had with the Sega Nomad (when the ratio wasn't messed up). Though I doubt that alone would be the next Gameboy.

The DS can serve as the Revolution download play on the go easily, and if it can't right now, the expansion slot (GBA slot) could easily be used to make it so.

As long as it is diffrent enough, I doubt a new Gameboy would hurt the DS that much.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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They'll just put their GameCube guts into a handheld, and call it "GB3" (Game Boy Cubed), but they'll offer the games on chips rather than discs.

And it will still be better than any portable Sony can whip out.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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The coolest gift of 1991? Ohkay.

P.S. The DS can't play older GB/C games because it doesn't have the Z80 processor to run them. I don't blame them for taking it out.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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* The GBE will be released six months to a year after the launch of the Revolution.

No. Third pillar or not, the next "GB" won't come out until the end of the DS's life.

* The Revolution will connect with the Game Boy Evolution, but not with the Nintendo DS. classic Nintendo titles can be downloaded onto the GBE’s internal memory for nostalgia on the go.

No. The DS will connect with the Revolution. Games will be downloadable through the wireless download option on the DS, but will not be permanent. When the DS is shut off, they will be lost.

* Unlike the DS and the GBM, which are only equipped to play Game Boy Advance cartridges, the GBE will allow you to play your entire back catalog of Game Boy titles

No. Nintendo has moved on. Classic GB games will not be playable.

* The GBE will store game data on DS-esque flash memory cards

They will stay cartridge based, but it will be in a GBA style cartridge slot to save costs of having 2 slots. Either that or they will have a clever 1 slot design that accepts 2 formats.

* The GBE’s screen resolution will be drastically increased over the GBA’s, though all the while retaining a similar aspect ratio. Despite consumer demand, the screen will not be backlit.

Yes, it will be backlit. It would be suicide not to include lighting at this point. But it will probably not be widescreen which consumers will want. There will be a resolution improvement, but it won't be "drastic." At best, it will be PSP sized pixels on a GBA sized screen.

* Not only will the GBE allow you to play all of your classic Game Boy games, it will allow you to play all of your multiplayer Game Boy games wirelessly, including games not built especially with the GBA wireless adaptor in mind.

No and no. You really seem to think there's a large number of people cuddling in a pile of classic Game Boy carts. They are not going to spend the extra effort on this nonsense.

* The Game Boy Evolution will be the hottest gift of 1991 with the addition of X and Y face buttons, as well as a quasi-analog d-pad which will register variable pressure in up to eight directions.

1991? Nintendo does seem to think that more buttons goes along with 3D (as evidenced by the DS's extra buttons) so I'm going to pray you are right here. Analog will be tricky, I don't think they'll use the PSP goofy thumb thing though.

* The GBE will include gyroscopic technology. The unit will also feature a built-in rumble

Doubtful. How many gyroscope games are out for the GBA? Built in rumble is likely.

* the battery life for the Game Boy Evolution will be the lowest of any Nintendo handheld to date.

It will certainly be better than the PSP. It will likely be a bit less than the GBA:SP, but I doubt anyone will notice. But why are you claiming this if you also say there will be no light?
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Whatever it's going to be, keep in mind that Nintendo keeps an eye on two things: cost and battery life.

Battery life means no optical drive. Never! Like it or not catridges are here to stay for handhelds (which means no Cube compatibility)

And low cost (< US$125) means no exotic 3D chips or Dolby or monster PSP screen.

Frankly, I can't figure out what it could be without eating away at the DS or just becoming a port whore like the PSP.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Couldn't Nintendo Enhance the DS graphics through the GBA-slot and end all this PSP vs. DS stuff?
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Honestly, I'm still pretty damn happy with the regular gba, especially my gba micro. If they just keep making Fire Emblems, Earthbound sequels (woo!!) Metroid games, and maybe even some new castlevanias, then I'm pretty sure I will just keep buying and playing on this console.

GBA is just perfect portable gaming.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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2006 will bring a DS:SP around Spring.
Christmas 2007 might bring a new Gameboy.

End of story :)

Personally I don't want it to use optical media or be a complete 3-D system... I just don't think 3-D works well on portable consoles (with the exception of Mario Kart).
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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anyone want to play 4 bit games on a new PSP-like resolution screen??

retards..
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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People who like to cling to optical media fail to realize that flash is the future... storage capacity is growing(not surprising) while prices will continue to drop. It'll get to the point where enough storage for a quality 3D intensive game will fit on a chip the size of your fingernail, use way less power, and create less waste for the environment. The whole debate about Disc vs Cart is so 1990's.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Whoever said that it would accept normal GB/GBC/GBA cartridges is a dumbass. Did anyone not read the Revolution will be accpeting those flash memory cards to store downloaded NES games etc. Nintendo will release all the GB backlog (although they'll wait 5 years for the GBA until it dies), over the revolution service, then you will be able to jam this card into GBE, the slot which will also play GBE games. This would be the perfect way to market connectivity and to actually make it work, play the entire Nintendo backlog on the move ;)
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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Nintendo retired the Gameboy line and have sinced moved on with working on the DS handheld.

GameBoy Advance was the last update made to this handheld series, and the GB Micro version being just compact remodel of it.
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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The Gameboy is officially dead handheld, time to move on joystiq!
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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didnt nintendo confirm that revo would link up with DS?

i like the idea of a handheld that plays gamecube games, if you could use the existing back catalogue on it (the discs are small enough) they could keep developing games and pushing the gc hardware for a few more years, and cash in off re-releasing games for it.

that would be amazing
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Posted: Dec 18th 2005 10:05PM (Unverified) said

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the should combine the gameboy with the ipod
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Posted: Dec 21st 2005 9:02PM (Unverified) said

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Also the new gameboy will have an OLED screen and may possibly have 128-bit graphics.



and from post 14. "The DS is the core of Nintendo's handheld market. The GBA market is slowing, and as the DS continues to gain market share, people will start to abandond the GBA over time."



in the US the GBA continues to outsell the DS and PSP combined, only in Japan is the DS outselling the GBA
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