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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:17PM goverland said

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Excellent review, but I have to take exception to your crashes annoyances. I have yet to experience this in Live play and I know several other players that also have not experienced any problem.

One other annoyance you forgot to mention would be the lack of knowing who is talking during Live play. When you really want to send feedback on someone you can't figure out who it really was because there is no indicator during play as to who is speaking.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:17PM ill trooper said

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I enjoy this game. The detail of Canal street and Park Row in NYC is stunning, and Tokyo' Shinjuku area detail is just as accurate (although Shibuya/Harujuku would have been more fun to see!)...



That being said and respected, I'm still let down by the jagged, lower-res game-play that takes over from the beautiful HD menu system, and the HD resolution that taunts you right up until the last minute, down to the chiming-countdown HD camera shots that suddenly devolve into some chunky proprietary res right when the race starts...



We can take your 'Playboy' metaphor even further here if you want: Something about realizing it's still a magazine after being lost for a few charming seconds...
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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:18PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, this is the first review that talks about the cons of the game that I have read.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:21PM (Unverified) said

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Hmm... I have 25+ hrs on pgr3 and fair share (3 or 4hrs) playing online. I've never had a system crash. AND I was playing on a launch day 360 with a launch day copy of pgr3 (do they improve load times, over time?).



So I dunno why you guys are crashing so much.



Anyways great review. As a former new yorker and native/current las vegan and a tokyo tourist, I can verify that the locational realism is downright scary good. I am surprised you didn't give it a 9 though. But thats cool. It's good to have high standards.



My one bone to pick is that you didn't mention that the game allows you to use essentially whatever car you want to use for the games entirity. After having accumulated every ferrari and every lambo(to get gamer points of course)I still stuck with my TVR sagaris (a c-class car) and finished the game on medium and am currently digging thru hard. One thing I always disliked when the early gran turismo games was that with your early car you claw your way up from nothing and sort of "bond" with that ride but eventually you run out of mods to get(even the uber pricey "race" conversion) and you gotta kick that civic to the curb for something with rwd and more cylinders. In pgr3 once you find the car you like you can just use that car and succeed.



Anyways thanks for the review!
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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:24PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for this! I was leaning towards this game, and this was the final push. I'm going to go out and buy this sometime this week.
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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:44PM (Unverified) said

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for those of you that keep saying that your game hasn't crashed, it's not going to crash on EVERYBODY'S system. but i have had this happen numerous times, but only when i was checking someone else's gamertag. this is very annoying because i'm always about to enter a race and it freezes and i then have to shut the console down and start it back up. but i defenitely recommend this game to everybody as it is an awesome game, but i also agree about the menu's being hard to navigate
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Posted: Dec 27th 2005 11:47PM Raaj said

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VC:



Thank you for an excellent review. Even though Joystiq is coming out late with game reviews, I would rather prefer your style of reviewing the game after playing it thoroughly, rather than like some of the game sites that just rehash the PR data sheet of the game just with different words.



Even with all the obvious faults, this game does so much more stuff right and better than its peers that this game is in a class of its own. I just cannot wait to see what Bizarre can do with the next iteration of the game, if this is what they achieved for a launch game.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 12:49AM (Unverified) said

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Graphically this is the best looking racing game to ever grace consoles up to this point. This review was very good, however one of your gripes with the Multiplayer is pretty retarded. The timer resets every time a new player comes into the lobby for a reason, its not a glitch. Its not hard to figure out Bizarre wanted to give other players more time to join and the room to fill up. Did you notice when the last person enters the room the timer shoots down to 5 seconds from 30?
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 1:06AM DustoMan said

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I'd also like to chime in and say that crashing has never been a problem with my copy of PGR3. The only game I've had that problem with is Ridge Racer 6. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with everything else in the review.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 1:46AM (Unverified) said

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I hated the dead feeling of the cars. When you're turning beyond your tire's grip you have no sort of feedback (controller vibration or tire screeching sounds) to let you know you're overcooked. You basically have to guess and hope you didn't brake too much... or little.



The online was definitely cool, and we had no crashing problems, but the loading times were a bit excessive I thought (though if I took a stopwatch to it it's probably on par with Gran Turismo 4, if not a smidge slower).
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 2:04AM (Unverified) said

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I too have yet to experience a crash. I've played the baajesus out of it.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 2:14AM ZeroCorpse said

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I dunno. I'm not into racers like this one. I'm digging NFS:Most Wanted right now on the 360, but when Burnout hits, I'm done with NFS. I gots to have me my crashes!



Driving games in which your car is invulnerable are old tech. We have the ability to make realistic crashes now--- SO DO IT!!!
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 2:21AM (Unverified) said

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Excellent review. I love the format and how you actually talk about the cons, not just the pros.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 3:58AM (Unverified) said

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I love a good racing game.It looks like it is going to be a great year !
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 4:54AM mt1 said

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you will only ever gfet realistic crashes with unlicenced cars the manufacturers dont want us knowing what really happend when we crash ;-)



ive never had an actual game creash but ive bever looked at people gamercards in the game
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 4:57AM (Unverified) said

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Congrats everyone for being bullshitted into buying this game after all the "high definition era" marketing hype with this game having a really low resolution and having to be upscaled to 720p.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 5:07AM (Unverified) said

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I want to ask the person who said about the jaggies etc what tv he is playing on? because I have 2 360's 1 hooked up to a hidef LCD and one to a crt monitor thats hidef and have no jaggies at all I also tried it on my normal crt before i got my vga cable for the monitor. Again no jaggies. I wonder if your on pgr2 LOL
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 6:12AM (Unverified) said

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i'd get your 360 checked out or make sure it's getting enough air because i've checked gamertags and played for a few hours online and never had a crash. i've had one crash with this game and it was after returning to the menu from a career race. besides MS is in a big giving mood at the moment. a friend of mine sat on his headset and MS is just sending him a new one for free ;) this in addition to all the overnighting of the few bad consoles.



the counter restarting i don't think is a glitch. everyone needs a chance to adjust their cars and such. if everyone is playing with a class E car and someone joins with a class A car and there are 2 seconds left on the counter, that's a bit unfair and would piss me off much more than waiting a bit more. i ended up doing this last night but just by not noticing.



i will agree though that it's needed more QA. the achievement system is rather sketchy. there seems to be a bug that prevents everyone from getting the full 1000 gamerpoints (the online pro seems to never register), and if you're not connected to live when you get certain achievements, it will never give them to you. the load times are my single biggest gripe with the game. some of the single player events take less time to play than loading around it. i don't really understand why it needs to reload the main menu. couldn't they have been compressed and shoved in like a spare 32MB of ram or something, so that i didn't have to sit through 2 loading scenes for every event? honestly though, if there is one innovation Nintendo should get credit for with this generation it's that there's virtually no load times for their games. this should really be a part of what the next generation is about. with all that processing power, it should be possible to heavily compress that stuff and stream the rest.



the sad part about this game is its wasted beauty. unless you go into photo mode or slow the car down, most people will never see the attention to the little details. like that the crowds are all individually animated, and if you come too close to the walls, they'll all back away from the walls or throw their arms up in guard. some of the scenery, such as Las Vegas is just amazingly beautiful and detailed.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 6:50AM Rymix said

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PGR3 has crashed my 360 a few times...



You forgot to mention that the game is way too easy, start to finish. There are five difficulty settings for each challenge, but all of them are easy. Remember the cone challenges in PGR2? They could take many attempts, often over several days, to crack the Platinum kudos requirement. In PGR3 I got Plats in every cone challenge at the first attempt, almost without exception.



Also the online play is not as productive as before, thanks to the online career mode. This encourages people new to online play to drive like they would drive against AI, which is to say ram people out of the way with scant regard for protocol. It makes playing online a chore, not something to be enjoyed.



Finally, the handling of the cars feels remarkably similar throughout. There is little variation between the most and least powerful cars in the game. Remember the F40 from PGR2 vs the Mini Cooper? There is no range like this in the third installment. And, even though the F40 (for example) is in 3, it feels like every other car in the game.



It looks absolutely stunning though, and this makes up for all the above because PGR3 is the sort of game that people who don't like car games buy...to show off their next-gen console to their mates.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 6:56AM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for all the comments, ya'll.



I know why the counter resets. Take a look at the Starcraft lobby system for an example of a lobby done right.



As for the crashes: the Xbox 360 doesn't crash on any other game. Just PGR3 in multiplayer mode. It's just not a stable implementation.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 7:56AM (Unverified) said

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What? You turned the engine sounds down to hear the music?!? I turned the music off to hear the engine sounds. I do that in all racing games.



You're not a true racing fan, but it's ok.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 8:53AM (Unverified) said

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There are a couple flaws in this review. For one, you can't blame bizarre for crashes on your system with this game. It's more likely a hardware issue. I've played many many hours on multiple games, mostly PGR3 and online and have not had one crash. As many here have already said.



And second, I think the timer resetting to 30 seconds id be design, not a bug. If you notice as soon as the room is full it resets to 5 seconds. If the room isn't full it is giving enough time for it to fill up. Out of a few hundred online races I've only had one where I had to wait too long for the room to fill and game to start.



Other than those, I agree with everything. Thanks!
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 9:23AM (Unverified) said

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My friend has this game, and one of the best looking games I've seen. He's been obsessed with playing it since launch. When I asked about the game crashing, he said he's never experienced that.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 9:53AM (Unverified) said

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I'm so-so happy with it, I'd give it 6.5/10.



Yes, it does crash (almost always on Live), and yes the menus are are HD but the rest of the game is blown up.



It's still a decent driving game though.

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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 10:41AM (Unverified) said

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Rymix, you must be a racing God if you are getting plats on the first try. Good for you.



However, I have to question the accuracy of your words, because the cars clearly behave very differently. Some of the cars have a lot of torque and are hard to keep on the tracks, while others, like the Lambos seem to be rock solid handling wise. I'm glad I can't drive an 85 Hyundai. The developers stated that all cars had to go at least 170 mph.



I can't fathom why people would complain about the graphics. I have never seen a more beautiful racing game. Try enjoying entertainment for a change instead of looking to hate on everything.



I'd like to see more car specific races on-line. Seems like if you don't pick the Ferrari F50 GT, you have no shot against a competent driver.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 10:44AM (Unverified) said

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I'm sorry but I did not like this game at all, good thing I rented it. I know many people that did not like it either. After playing NFS and RR6, all the drifting and cop chases, this game was like um, a, slow man. It looks beautiful, but if you're into arcade style racing and like some realism in your car crashes, this is not the game for you. The main thing I hated was the load times, and that was the final straw. Restarts had load times too, not like the other racing games I mentioned. PGR3 just did not do anything for me except want to take the game back asap to the rental store. It also made a hell of a lot of noise spinning in my drive more than any game I've played. I really had a bad experience with the game, and I was disappointed since I was a fan of PGR 1 and 2. Maybe next time.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 11:00AM nossy said

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Solid review. I still haven't experience a crash even on Live. Even after running the system for 10 straight hours, it's still fine. Crashes shouldn't be factor into the review because it doesn't exists everywhere. But yeah, the game itself is as good as the car in the game. Yes the load time is quite annoying especially when you're just doing the Kudos challenge which last 15 seconds or less. And the game is not really short unless you play on Easy level. It'll take about 8-10 hours to finish the game on Medium difficult level. It is way easy to grab expensive cars even before completing the game. I don't think it's a problem because it'll take you some time to master the control of some cars. The F50 GT is umm a bit difficult to control. Overall I think the game is worth the $50 that I paid for. And like joystiq put it, it's an easy game to jump into, but a difficult game to master.



So why don't Joystiq do a review which include playing on LIVE? It points out some problems on it, but it doesn't elaborate on the experience which Live brings to the game. Playing PGR3 on Live IS part of the game. I would point out that it sucks when players ram you from behind while drifting around a tight turn. Where's the racing etiquette? It also sucks that EVERYBODY likes the F50 GT. It should have class specific races as well. I mean there is a class system in the game.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 11:07AM (Unverified) said

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I love the game. It's a real blast and shows off the 360. As for game crashes, my cooling fan kicks into high gear while playing. You may be experiencing overheating rather than software glitches.



On the topic of car crashes, I do have a criticism regarding this review and others. No damage modeling? - False. My cars show dings, dents, and scrapes. While it's not possible to destroy the car, the cars do reflect cosmetic damage and minor deformations.



Sidebar:

GTR on the PC is the benchmark for realistic damage modeling. Body panels would fly off realistically revealing highly detailed bits underneath, bent rims = flat tires, wheels would fly off, smoke would obscure vision. While very realistic, you quickly found yourself out of the race if you had an off-track excursion. Incidentally, the game also included the "innovative" in car view found in PGR3.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 11:46AM (Unverified) said

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Just wanted to chime in and say that the game lock ups while viewing others gamertags is NOT a hardware problem. IGN mentioned they had they same problem and I get it all the time. Many people I've talked to in the game said they have the same problem as well.
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Posted: Dec 28th 2005 1:26PM (Unverified) said

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I've been playing PGR3 on my XBox 360 exclusively (if you don't count XBL Arcade titles...too much Hexic), and while I think it's a great game, as a racing game fanatic, Forza Motorsport still comes on top overall.



Couple of reasons for that:



PGR3 Solo Career is way too easy. I got me a F50 GT in less than a day and it usually doesn't take me more than one try to get a gold medal even if the track is unfamiliar to me. Forza Motorsport had a much more natural progression curve, and it really felt satisfying going up a rank in Forza. Not so in PGR3, it's just another number.



PGR3 is gorgeous, but only if you have HDTV. I don't, so the jump from Forza on the XBox to PGR3 on the 360 is not big enough.



PGR3's driving model feels like you're driving a toy car compared to Forza. Cars slide way too much and the way they turn feels too much like an arcade game than a real car.



That all being said, I'm completely addicted to PGR3, and the few negative aspects are outweighed by everything that's great about the game. It's just not The Racing Game (tm) for me. Forza is.
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Posted: Dec 29th 2005 2:20PM (Unverified) said

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I have a weird problem with PGR3 and wondering if anyone else has it.. I have had 3 copies of it now, and my Xbox has scratched every one. It works for a few hours, then gives me a "this disc is unreadable" error. I look at the disc, and sure enough it has small scratches where before it was perfectly smooth. 3 different copies of the game. The Xbox works fine with every other game I've tried - CoD, Gun, FIFA, PDZ, Amped, etc. WTF?
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Posted: Jan 5th 2006 5:53PM (Unverified) said

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No crashes here.... yet.
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Posted: Jan 13th 2006 9:23PM (Unverified) said

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"None of the drivers I've asked to play the game can complete the Nurburgring challenges at either difficulty."



lol, that makes me feel a hell of a lot better! I have only completed a few at hardcore difficulty. Some hardcore, and hard settings are very very close to impossible. Like the cone challenges. Those really piss me off. Novice might be 300 Kudos, easy 750, and medium 1,300. But hard jumps that number up to an insane number, something like 6,000! And HOLY SH*T!! Hardcore?, about 40,000 f**king kudos!!!!! I don't care what anyone says, THAT is impossible. But even if it wasn't impossible, the scale from novice to hardcore is VERY f**ked up on the cone challenge!



oh yeah, and mine only crashed once, but I was done playing anyway lol.
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