PlayStation 3 pr0n, nothing of substance
by Christopher Grant 
{ Jan 9th 2006 at 4:00PM }
As expected, amidst the rather strong launch of the Xbox 360, Sony decided to sit the PlayStation out of CES. Well... not entirely. They did have some units on display, as Hexus.gaming proudly trumpets, but nothing new; there were no announcements and no anticipated hardware changes. The units were still labeled "concept units".
If Sony is planning on launching the PS3 in just a few short months, the decision to ignore CES while Microsoft continued to talk 360 is mystifying. Nintendo has continued to tease us along with short glimpses of the possibilities the Revolution will offer; yet, as far as we know, the PS3 is a faster PS2 that also plays HD movies. They are going to need to do much more than this sorry showing to sustain gamers' interest between now and E3. In the meantime, enjoy the pr0n. It looks identical to what we showed you 8 months ago at E3.
[Thanks bandersnatch; Via GameInsider]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
joe @ Jan 9th 2006 4:12PM
well, im guessing its pretty obious by now that its gonna either be at feb 12ths event or its not gonna be out till the hoildays
Jeff @ Jan 9th 2006 4:16PM
"They are going to need to do much more than this sorry showing to sustain gamers' interest between now and E3."
I'm not sure why this matters. Exactly how many units is Sony going to have in the marketplace between now and E3? That's right: zero. So why do they need to maintain interest between now and then?
Yeah, I know, so that everybody doesn't just buy an Xbox 360. But good luck with that even if you want to. Until MS starts working out its shortage issue, I don't think Sony has much to worry about. In fact, they're probably content to let MS reap as much bad press as they can.
Meanwhile, Sony is obviously doing their best to push the products they actually have in stores, especially the PSP. I think their overall strategy with the PSP has been pretty abysmal so far, but I do think it's smart to focus on what you've actually got out. I mean they're competing against themselves to a large extent otherwise; make everybody wait for the PS3 and what are you doing? That's right, making everybody wait for the PS3. You've gotta be careful what you wish for. And Sony would love nothing more than to sell some PSP's in the meantime.
There is plenty of time after E3 to ramp up the hype for the PS3. The last thing you want to do is blow your load early (seriously, some of you guys need to learn the virtues of delayed gratification, if you know what I mean).
I'll close by just pointing out that in the old days, we wouldn't even know what a system was going to look like until it was practically on the market already. And I'm not just talking about the ill-fated Saturn launch... even the NES wasn't officially unveiled until the summer before it went on sale. We've become conditioned lately to expect hard, finalized info now years before these things go on sale and that's just not the way it usually works. Sony themselves are probably the most responsible for that... they were the ones that announced the PS2 about a year and a half before its launch in order to blunt the Dreamcast's penetration. That's basically also what they've done with the PS3, but you shouldn't expect real hard info until we're closer to launch.
Jeff @ Jan 9th 2006 4:19PM
"even the NES wasn't officially unveiled until the summer before it went on sale."
Er, let me just clarify this. The Famicom went on sale in 1983. The redesigned NES is specifically what I was talking about.
C. Grant @ Jan 9th 2006 4:26PM
Great comment Jeff. I understand things weren't always like this, however, they are like this now. The excitement Microsoft has created for the 360 is pretty potent. Shortages aside, since I expect them to be gradually solved in the coming months, the 360 is doing a great job removing the willingness to wait for a PS3. PS3 will still explode onto the scene, no doubt. It will still be amazing, no doubt. Problem is, if Sony loses 10%, even 5% of their audience to the 360, they've done irrevocable harm to their property. To a lot of gamers a simple update at CES would have trumped all other announcements. They had an opportunity, and a forum, and they didn't take advantage of it.
Re: competing against the PSP. They're def. doing something wrong if there's a fear PSP sales will dramatically hurt PS3 sales. They already have their hands full on that front anyhow.
Michael @ Jan 9th 2006 4:44PM
As an interesting side-note see the CNET article about the huge and clunky size of the Blu-Ray players. Specifically, here is the link to the picture about the Sony Blu-Ray player:
http://news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6024705-5.html
So, the interesting thought is that they are going to shrink the whole Blu-Ray thing down to fit into a PS3 along with the other gaming hardware (cell processor, video, memory, ...). Yet they still couldn't fit a stand alone Blu-Ray into a more svelte case.
Evil Inside @ Jan 9th 2006 4:45PM
I don't see what the big deal is. Everyone that wants a Playstation 3 will be buying no matter when it comes out and no matter how much it cost and how much Sony hypes it. It will simply sell itself.
I agree with poster #2, they are simply taking the time to further promote the PS2, PSP and getting more people aware of PSP's current and future capablities(Location Free TV, etc). Sony has stated that the next gen of consoles will not arrive until the PS3 is released.
That aside, once the Sony hype, it will be non-stop and the buzz will be loud.
Scott @ Jan 9th 2006 4:46PM
Sony had better show off something big at E3 because they got nothing right now and that will be their last chance for the big "Spring launch".
Chiablo @ Jan 9th 2006 4:54PM
Since Joystiq's comments are apparently still broken. I'll repost what was supposed to appear in an earler PS3 post:
What gets me is that Sony has been touting that the PS3 will blow everything out of the water and it will become the icon of everything gaming and electronic from now until the end of time.
Problems:
1. The main Dev kits are JUST NOW being distributed.
2. The BluRay standard is just now being finalized.
3. They are supposed to release this thing before
year end
What is going to happen:
1. Launch title games will be either rushed and bugged like the Xbox360 titles, but there won't be any way to patch them due to no online component. Also, the launch games will probably be ports of Xbox 360 games for the first few months of the system.
2. There will be a huge shortage of units because of the lack of processors and bluray drives. Japan will get 2/3 of the supply of systems. The shortage of units in the US will be worse then the shortage of Xbox 360's.
3. They will miss the Holiday season for the US and European launches. Don't expect to see the PS3 until spring or summer of 2007.
4. The propriatary format and fees assicated with developing for the PS3 will drive US developers to program on the Xbox 360. The benefit of this, however, is that it might prevent developers from releasing thousands of garbage games like the ones that plagued the PS2.
5. Standalone BluRay players will cost $400 at the time the system launches. I expect the PS3 to cost $700-$800 or MORE.
This is all just theory and personal views. I honestly think that Nintendo will have the best launch of all three 'next gen' systems. I think I'll stick with PC gaming until the second price drop and/or mod chips for the various systems start coming out.
Karmakin @ Jan 9th 2006 4:56PM
They need to change the font in front. It's the same font used in the title for the Spider-Man movies. IT's very distracting.
nymph3tamine @ Jan 9th 2006 5:00PM
OMG! It's like it's almost in my hands. So pretty...so very pretty.
BTW, is it wrong that I'm scrolling down each pic very very slowly? I don't think it's wrong.
nemi @ Jan 9th 2006 5:09PM
Am I the only person who recalls that at the sneak preview of the PS3 by Sony a few months ago that they said "after this we go back to work on the console, there will be no further previews and no further hype unitl it is ready for launch" ?
Sony are sticking to their word.
Me, I'll only buy it when GT5 comes out AND only if it looks like it is making good use of the console. (Big difference in quality from GT3 to GT4 on the same console).
pr0cs @ Jan 9th 2006 5:10PM
I really think Sony did a lot of harm to themselves by not showing at least something new about the PS3 at CES. If they fail to show substantial info at E3 I think a lot of people sitting on the fence about a 'next gen' system will probably choose the 360 as a stopgap.
Waiting till 2007 would be suicide in North America I think. By then there will probably be close to 100 360 titles and not only will they have to compete with the 360 but the Ninty-rev as well.
Embassy @ Jan 9th 2006 5:18PM
i have NO desire to by this behemoth machine...once again sony is being WAY too cocky right now and it will come back to bite them in the ass...the 360 is better than they thought..xbox live is better than they thought..and im sure nintendo has piqued their curiousity...unlike MS and nintendo..sony has nothing new to offer the gaming consumer...no cnetralized online gamimg community..no new intiuitive control scheme..all they have is a new expensive media format that just RECENTLY got the green light...i think sony is in for a rude awakening this holiday season...
Jago @ Jan 9th 2006 5:27PM
"1. The main Dev kits are JUST NOW being distributed."
That is wrong...some studios have had them for months and while they might not have been the final-final SDK units, they are still enough for the developers to dive in and figure out what they can and can't do.
Should Sony have had them finalized sooner? Yea of course.
It is important to keep in mind however that alot of the recent stuff we know about the PS3 is either wild speculation or info that has been passed on from person-to-person.
Jago @ Jan 9th 2006 5:35PM
"no cnetralized online gamimg community..no new intiuitive control scheme"
Again...you are making it seem like there has been a final decision made on these things.
Despite Sony making the announcement a while back that they would not have a centralized online service, they actually have not made up their mind yet.
As for the controller, how can you make a statement like that when it hasn't even been finalized yet?
I'm no biased Sony fanboy either...I just want people to be responsible and not make stupid statements.
omer nisar @ Jan 9th 2006 5:38PM
Hey Guys:
Well this is just directed to people saying that it isn't supposed to come out pre E3. IT IS!!! It has a scheduled release of Spring in Japan, in order for it to get here in the Fall.
GeoFlame @ Jan 9th 2006 5:58PM
They may not have a centerlized online system but they'll still have some form of online and thats all I need, I could care less about flashy menues and shit I want play and thats all. I dont care about stupid score tracking. The only people I really like playing with are my friends anyway 80% of people online I play with are stupid or being asswholes no offence lol.
But ya nintendo has the only system that has something acutally new, like xbox 360 has live but big wup it was on the orginal xbox and I have a better system for that its called the computer and I dont pay monthly fees.
Id say just wait till E3 this year thats when everything is Supposed to be shown then we can see whats what.
Jago @ Jan 9th 2006 6:12PM
Thats the problem...Spring is only a couple months away. The system should either be completed and in mass production by now or in the very near future.
James @ Jan 9th 2006 6:14PM
Looks like there's no shortage of connections in the back of the PS3. If Sony really thinks that is not confusing to the consumers it's targeting with the PS3, then they are dumber than I thought.
Consumers only wants to plug in the power cord, plug in the audio/video connection and maybe the network connection and off they go. If they have to figure out iLink, hdmi, blah blah blah, then they are going to just forget about that crap. The PS2 connections are far more simpler to figure out for the typical consumer than the PS3 would if they stuck with that bazillion outputs design they have now.
Murc @ Jan 9th 2006 6:15PM
I agree with Embassy.(#13)
To me, it seems like the Biggest thing Sony is pushing, is the Blu-Ray drive...When is should be the damn games!
Everyone knows that what we saw at last years E3 was CG on a freakin super computer.
In a few years...hewes what I think we will see.
The PS3 will have sold the most units world wide...Owning Japan, and the 360 will be in the number 2 spot, with low numbers in Japan, But the US numbers will be just shy of the PS3's, And the Revolution will be far below everyone else, but still wont due to bad.
kizza @ Jan 9th 2006 6:38PM
Sony asked all PS3 developers what online service they would prefer, & 99% of them opted for the non-central hub way. This means there is no up front payment system needed to play. I would think the best thing for developers is to make heaps of extra content for games people already bought & sell it via downloads to them. Like extra maps & stuff, if enough people are on they could make mega bucks selling a few new maps for $1 or 2.
I believe also, that Sony has some kind of plan in place for friends to meet up & organise which games they want to play.
After all, Sony have had a full team working on the PS3 online service since before the PS2 network adaptor came out. Sony have also officially commended & admitted that the live system is good & that they will have a similar type service.
Sony have stated all of this on the record. So for all the MS fanboys that think Sony only diss the competition, your wrong again.
I mean they do hang crap on them, & MS hang crap on Sony, thats business. But at least I've heard Sony have positive things to say about the competition.
Obscene Truth @ Jan 9th 2006 6:55PM
Okay, please listen up everyone, even Joystiq editors.
At the Sony E3 press conference, they put up a schedule for their next year or so.
http://tinypic.com/hvumx3.jpg
Nowhere is it mentioned that PS3 will be huge at CES. Reasons? Look again, guess what? February 2006, there is a Playstation Festival. What do you know :) It would make no sense to reveal anything substatial about the PS3 at CES when a month later they will have ALL the limelight at the Playstation Conference.
Sony had a Playstation conference for the PS2 as well, and 20 days later it was released in Japan. I can bet we'll see the same thing.
The PS3 will be released in Japan, North America and Europe in 2006. There is no way Sony would push it back to 07.
Please take note of this, and don't say that Sony's next chance is E3, because we have the PS Conference coming next month.
Jago @ Jan 9th 2006 7:15PM
#19:
Gimmie a break man...those are some rediculous reasons you listed.
The average consumer can easily figure out where the connections go. Plus if they want to find out further information on what the other conenctions do, that is not hard either.
Also...the PS2 had its share of inputs as well when it launched. The HDD bay, the optical audio port, the A/V port, the power connection, the firewire port and the USB ports.
n3rrd @ Jan 9th 2006 7:41PM
"and I have a better system for that its called the computer and I dont pay monthly fees."
I wish I had a free internet connection. This either shows your age, or how absent minded you may be! Just a silly little observation.
I can't wait to see a PS3 in action, in person. I don't believe a lick of what comes out of Sony's mouth after the stunts they pulled with the displays of power from the PS1 and PS2. I am sure it will be an impressive machine, regardless.
I was looking forward to the Revolution myself, but just sifting through all of the console war garbage that shows up in any post about the new consoles has actually made me change my mind. I really don't think I am going to be picking up any of the new consoles. I'm disappointed with the direction video gaming is headed and suppose that seventeen sequels for every unique title, slumville environments, and required "mature" gaming just isn't my thing.
Oh well. Heres to hoping the market doesn't run itself into the ground (a second time).
ali @ Jan 9th 2006 8:15PM
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS AT JOYSTIQ. WHAT DID SONY DO TO YOU? WHY WAS THE XBOX360 LAUNCH SUCCESSFUL?
THERE ARE HARDLY ANY UNITS AVAILABLE AND THE GAMES (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2-3 GAMES) AREN'T ANY GOOD. THERE IS NOTHING NEXT-GEN ABOUT THE 360. I'M NOT SAYING THE PS3 IS BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE. SO WHY DO YOU CRITICIZE THE PS3? I HAVEN'T READ ANY ARTICLES FROM YOU GUYS THAT DOESN'T BASH SONY. I MEAN F*** SONY FOR ALL I CARE. THEY JUST WANT MY MONEY BUT I JUST THINK IT'S UNFAIR WHEN YOU CRITICIZE SONY A LOT MORE THAN THE OTHERS. BE A LITTLE MORE FAIR WILL YOU? THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T RUSH AND GIVE THE CONSUMERS A PIECE OF CRAP CONSOLE WITH SO MANY BUGS LIKE MICROSOFT.
don_sf @ Jan 9th 2006 8:26PM
sony can relax, out of 100million ps2 owners, i think some of them will want to the next playstation.
this is what microsoft gaming aint got, there is something about a playstation console which makes it better than any thing else.
xbox 1 was a better and more powerful system but no where near as good as ps2. why?
by da way, the ps3 looks niiiice. that is something you can have in your living room and feel proud. xbox 360 belong inside a shelf tucked away.
don_sf @ Jan 9th 2006 8:29PM
wooow woow man chill. please. facts speak for themselves ok.
ps1 - 100 million+
ps2 - 100 million+
xbox - 20 million
xbox 360 - 4
Michael @ Jan 9th 2006 8:45PM
From n3rrd
"I was looking forward to the Revolution myself, but just sifting through all of the console war garbage that shows up in any post about the new consoles has actually made me change my mind. I really don't think I am going to be picking up any of the new consoles. "
I agree for different reasons. Most of the games for any console are garbage, and they don't live up to the hype. At sixty dollars a pop for next gen games, I have more interesting things to do with my money, than to buy games that I don't enjoy. Instead I prefer to pick up used games. This lets me find out which ones are good before I buy. Although I may be a year or two behind the curve, I still have a constant supply of one to two year old games to entertain me.
So, I'll just sit out the console war for a few years and wait to see what is popular. Meanwhile I'll enjoy lots of play time with current gen. stuff.
(Although I do admit I am most intrigued by the Revolution at this time.)
boyfinley @ Jan 9th 2006 9:20PM
"and I have a better system for that its called the computer and I dont pay monthly fees."
"I wish I had a free internet connection. This either shows your age, or how absent minded you may be! Just a silly little observation."
Such a misnomer argument.. you pay for xbox Live PLUS your internet connection. On PC/N-WFC you ONLY pay for your internet connection. What was that about who's age & absent mind?
Deth @ Jan 9th 2006 9:36PM
Obscene- I dont understand why sony would unveil new info at a playstation conference. isnt everybody there die hard sony anyway. it seems to me that if they were to unveil new info at a more general conference, they would win over people who are not necessarily into sony (and who were going to buy the thing anyway).
neale @ Jan 9th 2006 9:41PM
"21. Sony asked all PS3 developers what online service they would prefer, & 99% of them opted for the non-central hub way. This means there is no up front payment system needed to play. I would think the best thing for developers is to make heaps of extra content for games people already bought & sell it via downloads to them. Like extra maps & stuff, if enough people are on they could make mega bucks selling a few new maps for $1 or 2.
I believe also, that Sony has some kind of plan in place for friends to meet up & organise which games they want to play. "
apart from the upfront payment thing, youve just described xbox live. you have no idea what youre talking about. and that fact that live costs 40 here in the uk is nothing, its the same price of a game and its reply value far surpasses any game.
i own an xbox 360, and for me to own the sony they have to offer me soemthing different. so far all i see is blu-ray. im not interested in GT5 or watever its at, MGS doesnt interest me.
the controller really puts me off but until i hold one i wont know.
nintendo though - the gamecube was party central! the next one i expect will be even better, play my old games and offer me something very, very different. coming in at a fraction of a cost aswell. cannot wait
Embassy @ Jan 9th 2006 10:11PM
the thing about sony is there ALL TALK...people keep " HEARING" that they will have an online service similar to live..or that they " heard" the controller will be diff..or this and that...there is no PROOF...the same stuff happend with the PS2..same shit different toilet...useless HDD , lackluster online..a barrage of CG trailers at E3...the list goes on...at least MS does MOST if not ALL The things they promise with the xbox and xbox 360...unified and easy to access online gaming?..BOOM u got LIVE...next-gen graphics?..BAM enjoy PGR3 , DOA MADDEN , and PDZ...steady supply of downloadable content ..?? BOOM heres fight night try it out...easily accesible games..??.. BAM here enjoy xbox live arcade...next gen drive for HD movies?..BANG..heres the external HD-DVD drive...see where im going with this..???..SONY needs to stop talkin and SHOW us wats up...cuz as of now...the ps3 is still a THEORY on PAPER with no tangible evidence to prove for or against anything they've CLAIMED...
James @ Jan 9th 2006 10:18PM
#23 Please learn to spell.
All I'm saying that the PS2 has a cleaner back panel than the PS3 mockup.
And how many of your typical consumers use HDD, optical audio output, firewire and usb on the PS2? The answer, few and far between. Why not go with a more universal connection (albeit proprietary) that can handle av, hdmi, and optical out. That would replace one or two connection points for 4. And what's with the 3 network ports? Sony has stated that the router functionality is no longer in the PS3.
Kashmir @ Jan 9th 2006 11:07PM
to #32 (embassy)
You are right. There are a couple of exceptions (the HDD and wireless controller on every system, tons of units on launch day) but Microsoft delivered on basically everything else they promised. As for people (fanboys, I hate throwing that term around but I have to now) saying that the 360 isn't next-gen, what proof do you have of this? What do you have to compare it to to make the 360 not next-gen? The PS3, which of now doesn't exist? The non-gameplay MGS4 trailer(which wouldn't look as good as PGR3 in in-car view if Bizzare was given a month more to fix aliasing)? I keep hearing on these comments that things about the PS3 aren't finalized, (online service, controller, etc.) so how do you know what the PS3 really is now? As of now, it is just some pretty CGI from E3, an "unfinished" system and controller design, the MGS4 demo (Kojima said it could be done on 360 just as easily), and , uh... At least the 360 was, for all intents and purposes, done being designed before E3, 6 months before launch, not having massive design changes a couple of months before its "spring" launch.
I think it's just silly to say that one thing is horrible when comparing it to a thing that, for most parts, doesn't really exist yet. I have a 360 and it's been the most fun I've had in gaming for a while. I'm not a fanboy, I'm just calling them as I see them. So far, Sony has nothing real that is impressive to me at all over the 360. They did these same cheap hype tactics for PS2. Remember Toy-Story quality graphics and the PS2 being like jacking into the Matrix? They are doing the same thing here, albiet to a smaller degree.
If PS3 somehows pulls it off, and all the games are better and the services are superior to 360, then I will happily convert to the PS3 side, but I seriously doubt that will be the leaps and bounds above the 360 that people are saying it will be.
All I'm saying to all you ignorant Sony fanboys is that when the PS3 launch titles are finally revealed, and they look slightly better then the 360 launch titles, if that, and the 360 titles look much better by then, just remember that Kashmir told you so.
aegies @ Jan 9th 2006 11:13PM
maybe i'm imagining things, but didn't sony say they were cutting back down to 1, or maybe 2 gigabit ethernet ports? i'm still seeing 3. so, would that mean these are the same concept blocks they've been showing for almost a year now? they aren't even updating according to their own details yet.
kizza @ Jan 9th 2006 11:16PM
Sony will be getting my cash regardless.
As good as live is, online games also have lifespans, they are selected down to a few that last the test of time. Games like Socom & Halo are what you have to play if you wanna get a game well after the game has released. I've had several PS2 titles I could not even get a game on & my mate has had the same problem with live.
You have to be careful what you buy, as what you may like, is not what everybody else likes.
As to the knobjockey that is neale, you give us some more info on what they are gonna do then genius. I'm just re-iterating what Sony hasd stated. I never said it was true or I'd bet my life on it, but I do believe Sony will do a better job with there online service this time. Anyone who doesn't think that, is aboviously a huge ninbendo or xpox fanboy, that is trying to scare potential PS3 buyers to opt for the 360 or Revolution. I mean ninbendo fanboys should not say crap, as there beloved gamecube had no speakable online services. All they've said about the revolution is that you can download 20yr old back catologue SNES games & such. Believe me, this is the most useless feature I've heard of. You can download all these games to your pc now, can also d/load a snes collection to a disk to play on PS2 & Xbox. I've played these games again lately & I can confidently say that my next gen. purchase is to play next gen. games, not twenty year old has beens.
Thats like hiring a old, saggy boobed prostitute over a young silk skinned prostitute on the grounds that she was the best r00t on the corner 25yrs ago. Sony's PS3 will be my console of choice, I've played games for years now & had numerous consoles & Sony were the ones that have brang the innovation for me.
Sony released the 1st backwards compatible console for games & most peripherals alike.
Sony has had the best selection of AAA titles on the broadest genre levels.
There products have the most innovation, like eyetoy, singstar, buzz.
They lead the way for unique, quirky, non-sold out titles- how many games on xbox or cube are like Shadow of the collosus, Ico, God Of War, Mark Of Kri, We Love Katamari & a whole shlew more.
So what they have grand visions of there products that don't reign true...Big deal....
I bought the PS1 & did not here a word of hype about it, I hade the most fun ever on a console on my PS1, until PS2 came along. Yes they proclaimed there projection of toy story graphics & so on..etc....etc sales hype..blah.....blah.....blah. I bought my PS2 on launch day (1st console I'd ever got on launch day) & I loved it. I kept hearing all these negative comments (kinda like MS is getting now) about how the graphics were only just better than PS1's. Well I still had my PS1 favourites & I put them on to see what these morons were talking about, & I found the PS1 graphics unbearable to look at. I quickly distinguished those stupid comments. 360 is the same, I have seen demos & games running in store on 360 & they are a lot better looking than xbox graphics, as they should.
But graphics & online are a piece of the whole package. Thats why I'll be getting the PS3. I will get Socom 4 & Unreal for online & all my favourite solo player exclusives like Tekken, God of War, etc,etc.
Jago @ Jan 9th 2006 11:30PM
It is impossible to put EVERYTHING in one universal port plus it would probably cost more to that as well. Plus it would be cheaper for the consumer as well since they wouldn't need to hunt down some special cable. If they want to use the optical audio port...they can go to a local electronics store or eBay to find it. If they want to use the HDMI or USB ports...they can do the same thing. You wouldn't believe how cheap those cables are on eBay and they are high quality too. I've been using them for a while now and have NEVER had any problems.
As for the 3 LAN ports...have you ever heard of a little something called a "hub"? Guess bit b/c then you wouldn't have asked such a dumb question.
As for the average consumer...more and more of them are buying surround sound system and HDTVs have been dropping in price dramatically. So having the optical audio port is not a waste b/c people do use their PS2 as their DVD player (including me and I am no average consumer.) The USB ports are also not a waste b/c it allows players to use USB keyboards for online play. Firewire was taken out of the PS2 quite some time ago b/c it wasn't utilized (the same happened with the PSOne system link capability.) Hell I believe Nintendo did the same thing with the special port that was used for their component video cable.
If sounds like going to a store and looking for a cable and then plugging it in is too difficult for you. lol
Jago @ Jan 9th 2006 11:51PM
"All they've said about the revolution is that you can download 20yr old back catologue SNES games & such. Believe me, this is the most useless feature I've heard of. You can download all these games to your pc now, can also d/load a snes collection to a disk to play on PS2 & Xbox."
Wow...if that is not the DUMBEST thing I've heard all day I dunno what is.
In order to get your Xbox to play emulated games you have to have it modified which also makes it impossible for players to use Xbox Live. Now tell that to a normal non-hardcore gamer consumer and they won't want to do it.
As for the PS2 doing that, I have never heard of that plus even if it was possible a normal consumer is not going to know how or where to look.
You my friend are the definition of a BIASED and IGNORANT Sony fanboy.
jopojelly @ Jan 10th 2006 1:49AM
wait, "There products have the most innovation, like eyetoy, singstar, buzz. " -- what?!?! Ive never heard of any of those, wait, maybe ive heard of something called an eyetoy....maybe, but really, WHO CARES!!
penn @ Jan 10th 2006 3:08AM
i cant believe how loyal fanboys can be to nonsense and hype.if you are not moving forwards in business, then you are moving backwards.
if fanboys think sony are being purposefull and strategic in showing the same trailers from e3 2005,ps3 prototypes (without a controller) in glass cases, no playable material and no development news of promised features. then you are turning a blind eye to the underlying turmoil.
companies dont just DO that kind of thing on purpose because its just plain and simply bad business practice. you might as well say to investors, retail vendors and potential customers "WE HAVENT REALLY DONE MUCH SINCE THE LAST TIME WE MET"
to say its to keep the limelight on the psp and ps2 is plain and simply dumb. sony are not in the game for love of the fanboys. they are in it to attract investors to pour money into the console and the brand, to attract retail shops to buy big with the confidence that it will sell big, to attract customers to say spend your money here.
If sony felt the need to burst the xbox bubble in 2005, then they should feel the need to burst the xbox bubble here, because the xbox will only get better from here on in. (the xbox have already achieved a playable demo of fight night while ps3 still only have a target demo from the e3 tradeshow)
congo kong @ Jan 10th 2006 3:27AM
I'm not going to judge PS3 until I get all the details. I plan to buy a next gen console (not Revolution because so many of their franchises are aging and the graphics will basically be current-gen) and it will either be PS3 or Xbox 360. I'd certainly prefer the PS3 to be superior since it has full backwards compatibility (a feature I find painfully lacking in Xbox 360). It's hard to buy the Xbox 360 when it seems it will never be able to play games like Doom 3 and Far Cry, and I don't want to buy an original Xbox to play it. I feel Sony needs to launch their console in the next few months though to sway people from buying the 360, and a centralized online service is needed. Even if a centralized service isn't necessary, most people enjoy it so it's important in winning the next-gen console wars.
Jago @ Jan 10th 2006 4:46AM
"(not Revolution because so many of their franchises are aging and the graphics will basically be current-gen)"
Some of those franchises you speak of are STILL among the best games each year they come out AND they are highly respected by both critics AND consumers. Plus you make it seem like the ONLY games on Nintendo platforms are badly designed, poor selling franchises...which is wrong.
As for the graphics...you are basing that on either FALSE information or UNPROVEN rumors. Saying you won't buying something someone told someone told someone told someone that something will be less powerful, etc. is just plain stupid.
kizza @ Jan 10th 2006 8:44AM
Comon Jago, plenty more dumber things come out of your own mouth on a regular daily basis. I have all three current gen consoles, so nice try with the biased fanboy crap......But zzzzzzzzzzzz...wrong again, retard. I thought there were switches in xboxes to allow you to turn off any non-official enhancing parts, so you could still play live. If not, a lot of people have two consoles for that purpose, as for your PS2 comment, yes your right, not many people would know how or where to get it...... But mainstrean gamers don't buy PS2's & Xboxes for 20 yr old games (they buy it for the new GTA or similar), hardcore gamers do.
Quote from Stupid: Now tell that to a normal non-hardcore gamer consumer and they won't want to do it.
Non hardcore gamers don't really know or give a rats @rse about old games, they want the latest cause there schoolchums or work buddies have it. that means shiny, new, spiffy titles, retard.
Quote from Stupid take 2: As for the PS2 doing that, I have never heard of that plus even if it was possible a normal consumer is not going to know how or where to look
Why does it not surprise me you've never heard of it, retard? Just like your father never heard of condoms.
Joe @ Jan 10th 2006 10:32AM
It amazes me that people actually are this hardcore about getting console information. Who the hells cares about the rumors and hype. I don't care what so called experts know or think. I can glady wait for an official announcement from Sony. I'm in no rush. I still have a ton of PS2 games and Nintendo DS games to play. I'm in no rush for next gen gaming.
I've owned a PSone and PS2. I've greatly enjoyed both systems and don't have any complaints about them. They provided everything I needed. I grew up with Nintendo, but I later became a Playstation gamer because of the variety of games their systems have to offer. I can wait to hear Sony's official announcement of the PS3. If it sounds like a system I want I'll go and buy it. If not then I'll wait to hear with the Nintendo Revolution can do. Its that simple. I for one do not care about all the hype, rumors, supposed specifications, and name calling. I have to a life to live. I am actually leaning towards the Revolution since I like the low console price. Thats mighty tempting to me. Low price and game selection are two features more important to me that super, duper, photo realistic graphics.
I'm no expert when it comes to video console histories since I've never really cared that much. I've been to busy playing the games. But correct me if I'm wrong here. Didn't' Sony do a surprise announcement for the original Playstation at E3? I think I remember reading how Sony shocked Sega and everybody else with the Playstation announcement at E3. We could be in for the same thing. These are big corporations. This could all just be part of the hype machine to shock and awe us.
Jago @ Jan 10th 2006 12:39PM
Wow Kizza...what are you 12? Are you incapable of have a discussion without resorting to personal attacks? Guess not...which your intelligence level.
Also hate to break it to you, but everyone is superficial and fake like you. Not everyone wants something so they be considered "cool" by their friends. At a certain point people grow up beyond elementary and high school behavior and buy things b/c it interests them.
But you wouldn't know that...
penn @ Jan 10th 2006 8:39PM
hey, i am not really a hard core gamer fanboy. i am here as a spectator in corporate warfare, to see how and if a sony monopoly in gaming can be overturned in one generation by microsofts xbox 360.
(i am watching the same war go on between microsoft and apple in the PC domain...but thats off topic...)
i really believe that sony are in strife about a number of things alot of which have been mentioned.
blu-ray - an uncertainty in the industry - is to become central to the ps3. HD-DVD is to be an accessory in xbox 360 (maybe even blu-ray will become an accesorie in future if it is succesful.
hints of astronomical hardware costs ($1800 stand alone blu-ray player vs $500 stand alone HD-DVD)if this is a clue as to the cost of these drives, then maybe microsoft were right in using dvd.
no online service for sony announced thus far, so no competition for microsofts xbox live marketplace.
backwards compatability an uncertainty in ps3...backwards compatibility garunteed for some of the games.
no finalised game demos, controller or console...all being target demos and prototypes.
all of these factors..plus the lack of communication over these issues from sony...hint at trouble in the home. If I were a sony investor...i would be worried, i I were a microsoft investor I would feel a little more confident despite the problems and bad press over the xbox.
Jago @ Jan 10th 2006 9:18PM
"$1800 stand alone blu-ray player"
According to Endgagdet last week, one of the Blu-Ray units that was shwon at CES was about $1000. Also 2 HD-DVD units they showed came in 2 flavors (one was $500 and the other was $800.) It's still a couple hundred bucks higher then HD-DVD but at least get your facts straight.
I'm not defending Sony but they could also be being quite b/c they (like Nintendo) don't want information getting out. A company being quiet about a product doesn't ALWAYS mean something bad is happening.
congo kong @ Jan 10th 2006 10:08PM
"Some of those franchises you speak of are STILL among the best games each year they come out AND they are highly respected by both critics AND consumers. Plus you make it seem like the ONLY games on Nintendo
platforms are badly designed, poor selling franchises
...which is wrong."
I never said any games were badly designed. I
said they were aging. It's true. Nintendo's big sellers are the games like Star Fox, Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. Even when a game isn't related to those characters, they slap one of those names on the game to make money. Look at Dinosaur Planet (which eventually became Star Fox Adventures), a game completely different and original but Nintendo decided to play it safe and make it a Star Fox game. And
btw, I have a Gamecube so I'm full aware of its abilities. Just about every title it seems comes out for Xbox and PS2 and not Gamecube. Nintendo plays it safe with those franchises they know make money and won't go into new territories. It's rare you see a
big seller Nintendo game without Mario on the title.
"As for the graphics...you are basing that on either FALSE information or UNPROVEN rumors. Saying you won't buying something someone told someone told someone told someone that something will be less powerful, etc. is just plain stupid."
False information? As from IGN? It isn't a rumor. Nintendo has confirmed the Revolution won't have the graphics capabilities of the other consoles. It's going to be slightly better than an Xbox. That's
why it's going to be cheaper. Also, it doesn't support High-def. I don't want to play video games for the next 5 years on standard definition television. Nintendo is making a big mistake IMO to not
put in high-def, just like they made a big mistake having little (or none) online service for the Gamecube, and just like they did when they stuck with cartridges for the N64.
Jago @ Jan 10th 2006 11:03PM
I read that story on IGN about the Revolution but that info didn't come directly from Nintendo. That whole article was about feedback IGN had received from various developers.
As for High-def...tell me what high-def will add to games. It won't make the games play better nor will the games change if you use a HDTV instead of a normal TV.
Sony and MS biggest problem is that they are making machines that appeal only to those who either have loads of money to spend or spoiled little brats who beg their mommies and daddies to buy them something. There is a whole nuther audience out there that they are alienating.
Also, a system doesn't need to be big in order to be powerful. Exmaple? The Gamecube is very close to the Xbox in what it can do yet it is alot cheaper to build, cheaper to sell and is doing it with a smaller form factor. You have not seen what the Revo can do graphically and neither have I...hell even developers haven't seen everything that it can do b/c there hasn't really been an example yet.
You are basically making judgments on what someone told someone told someone instead of directly from the horses mouth.
congo kong @ Jan 10th 2006 11:26PM
"As for High-def...tell me what high-def will add to games. It won't make the games play better nor will the games change if you use a HDTV instead of a normal TV."
It will make them look better. It isn't about gameplay, but about how they look. That's why so many PC games look beautiful. They're on HD monitors.
"Sony and MS biggest problem is that they are making machines that appeal only to those who either have loads of money to spend or spoiled little brats who beg their mommies and daddies to buy them something. There is a whole nuther audience out there that they are alienating."
You're wrong. They're making games for BOTH standard and high definition. If they were just for high def. I'd agree with you. And you don't need to be rich to have an HDTV, at least an average one. Nintendo simply is taking away the option of high def.
"Also, a system doesn't need to be big in order to be powerful. Exmaple? The Gamecube is very close to the Xbox in what it can do yet it is alot cheaper to build, cheaper to sell and is doing it with a smaller form factor. You have not seen what the Revo can do graphically and neither have I...hell even developers haven't seen everything that it can do b/c there hasn't really been an example yet."
Even if Revolution has the graphics that PS3 and Xbox have on standard definition (which I doubt), it won't have high def. This makes me certain without a doubt that PS3 and Xbox 360 will have superior graphics. Also, so many next-gen games are being planned so far just for PS3 and Xbox 360. Revolution simply won't have the games PS3 and Xbox 360 have. It'll be much like the current generation except Revolution won't have the graphics to compare.
"You are basically making judgments on what someone told someone told someone instead of directly from the horses mouth."
Nintendo themself has said there system won't be about horsepower and graphics capabilities, but to make an affordable console.