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Posted: Jan 10th 2006 3:08AM (Unverified) said

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McKenna's article actually started off sounding a lot like Dan Hsu's EGM note on editorial integrity ("My industry pisses me off."), but the former's skewering of video-game journalistic conventions was probably a more entertaining read for me. (The fact that publishers can buy coverage from one major games media outlet, if not more, was probably even more depressing in hindsight.) Read Shoe's rant -- along with some online responses to it -- over here:

http://my.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=6228583&publicUserId=5379799

Previews will be previews, though...

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 3:31AM (Unverified) said

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All Videogame journalists are wankers.ALL OF THEM !!!!!!!.The very worst of all the wankers are the total wankers at OXM .I thought the idiots at PSM were bad but the OXM guys are the biggest wankers ever.Those writers at Nintendo magazine treat everyone lke they're 4 years old kids,Also a bunch of wankers.Don't get me started on those old wankers at Edge magazine .

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 3:58AM (Unverified) said

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"The writing is bad."



Vlad writes about video games. Vladimir, is your writing bad?



"He's pulling punches out of self-interest! Because McKenna wants to curry favor with future employers, he's refraining from writing honestly and is therefore guilty of the very same conflict of interest he accuses others of. Oops. If games "journalists" want to be considered serious journalists, they'll have to break themselves of that nasty habit."



He is refraining from writing honestly, and refraining from naming names. But what journalists don't refrain? How often does a NY Times writer criticize the NY Times or another publication? People have to eat and pay their bills. Not burning bridges is a good career strategy.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:02AM (Unverified) said

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How about the pointlessness of posting non-stories on slow news days which a certain video game blog has taken to recently...

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:05AM (Unverified) said

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Irony, the key to good journalism is objectivity.



I do agree in a sense, however, that videogame journalism appears to be another form of marketing. I mean, an official publication dedicated solely to Xbox couldn't possibly be biased to help sell Xbox games, right?



I mean sure, there is room for an editorial or opinionative piece here and there, but you can't disguise it as real authentic journalism.



Furthermore, I feel that video game journalists don't really scout out good stories and just print up the daily spiel that all the other publications print out as if it's nothing.



Although, I must admit, that the people that the Escapist are really good journalists. Providing more insight behind the scenes of reporting the stories.



As for reviews, they're useless. The videogame journalism industry is clogged full of them and also, the journalists are also largely responsible for producing hype around new products, something that furthermore proves subjectivity.



So the author of that article has a point, that videogame journalism really needs to clean up its act.



McKenna is guilty of having a conflict of interest, however, if he were to become a journalist for any major publication I'm sure he'd be a decent one.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:15AM (Unverified) said

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WeeJames: I can see from your comment history that you've been reading since June. Dig up some of our archives from late 2004 and early 2005. We've ALWAYS focused on writing about games-related stuff that interests us. I don't mind repeating this: we are NOT just news. We report on all games-related stuff that we find interesting.

That's why we've got the culture.joystiq.com which this story falls into.

Nothing has changed. Still the same goofy blog we always were. Don't think of us as just news.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:26AM (Unverified) said

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What, you guys have never seen a hypocrite post on the internet?

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:55AM (Unverified) said

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"makes like Kirby"... that's awesome. :D

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:56AM (Unverified) said

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As McKenna mentions before going on to say "I want to work again", and perhaps he should have highlighted this more, there is the issue of libel. If he did name names then there would most likely be teams of lawyers sent around to beat him and his publication up. And as far as I know, he works for Tom's Hardware Guide, which is probably why he wrote the article. Not much gaming done over there.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 4:58AM (Unverified) said

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Since the demographic of gamers is around the 18-30 year older market. Why don't they try to write articles that appeal to that audience. Instead they seem to write for a market of tabloid papers readers.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 5:01AM (Unverified) said

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^ Krupp is McKenna.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 5:38AM LarZen said

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Who cares...

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 5:44AM (Unverified) said

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So will the editors of Joystiq make a list of bad websites, bad journalists, and bad articles to prove their point or this is more bluster?

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 5:51AM (Unverified) said

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Nice post Mofomojo, great to see well articulated thinking on the posts, gaming "journalism" is not done by TRUE journalists, a bunch of biased fans rule the place where there is no room for deontology... a shame IMO, since most of game publication readers are youth lacking the tools to filtrate propaganda pouring from it...

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 6:00AM (Unverified) said

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Every once in a while, it becomes fashionable for some weblog to step forward and flail his arms against the keyboard for a while with great angst resulting in a rambling, conflicted post not unlike this piece by Vladmir Cole.



In a bit of unintential situational irony, Vlad accidentally proves his own headline--"wasted opportunity to give 'em the what-for"--by demonstration.



Vlad rightly trashes a rant about publications that "sugar coat" poor reviews so that they won't interrupt the supply of preview and review products. That's certainly a valid point to make. If Vlad had stopped there, he'd have come out ahead.



But he doesn't stop there, unfortunately. After accusing the ranter of failing to name any names, Vlad fails to name any names. In other words, he sugar-coats his own criticism right after he just finished lambasting other writers for doing the same. Why does he refrain from giving examples, instead only linking to another website's list of only four offending journalists? He doesn't explain.



There are still no strong critics of games journalism itself, as evidenced by Vlad's wasted opportunity to say something meaningful without linking to an old SA article.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 7:07AM (Unverified) said

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Interesting read, but I think I like Dan Hsu's better, considering the fact that he's "one of them", the mainstream gaming press.



Had this article been written by someone else, I would have taken it more seriously. I have two problems with Aaron McKenna. One, he wrote "In Defense of Jack Thompson". And as someone who visits GamePolitics on a daily basis and contributes to Thompson's Wikipedia entry, I don't think Thompson deserves any support or extra media attention whatsoever. If only McKenna could forsee what a wacko Jacko would be in the following months after his article. Even Thompson's former allies (like David Walsh) don't support him anymore.



And the other is that McKenna was a former editor at The Inquirer, which you know is the PC Hardware and Gaming equivalent of the National Enquirer. Lot's of gossip and rumors and news that's not really news.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 8:06AM (Unverified) said

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"Apart from libel"



There's no libel if what you're saying is true. This kid doesn't even know *why* he won't name names.



If you're afraid you're libeling somebody then you are by definition admitting that you are lying about that person for the specific purpose of damaging their reputation. So you've just invalidated your entire essay.



I do agree with him that game "journalism" is less journalism and more marketing/PR these days (which is why I'm here - joystiq don't play dat), but that's not saying anything new, and he's making the point pretty poorly.



So really, nothing to see here.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 8:29AM (Unverified) said

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Garbage. Since when is it news that some uninformed kids posted a rant on the internet?

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 9:01AM (Unverified) said

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All I'm saying is that considering the total lack of a critique and discerning views in traditional news, I welcome any video game journalism as being more valid. At least video game journalists do their best to show the reality of video games, arbitrary scores nonwithstanding.

Who knows what traditional media outlets or doing nowadays, apart from stenography.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 10:08AM (Unverified) said

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@ #5



While i have nothign against Joystiq posting items of interest, i dont really feel that in ramblings of some kid on the internet really qualifies as such. Its hardly a "wasted opportunity" since whatever this random kid says is of little interest to most people. As far as i can see this article is nothing more than a pointless critique of a post on someones blog.



Dont get me wrong, i love Joystiqs style and check it every few hours while im at work for the latest news, i just dont see the point in this article.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 10:38AM tucker973 said

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Jeff - thanks, I was just about to post the same thing myself. People need to understand terms like "libel" before hiding behind fear of persecution. If criticism were libel, most published media would awfully boring.

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 10:43AM (Unverified) said

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Maybe, just maybe, the point was to get people talking and opinionated.



Joystick +1

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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Oh but Elle: I did name names. That's the point. =)

Posted: Jan 10th 2006 2:01PM (Unverified) said

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The guy know's what he's talking about... I used to subscribe to PSM, EGM, etc. a few years ago, but I noticed that since the PS2 came out, PSM greatly cut down on the pages of actual content and got progressivly worse at wrting, and EGM...eh, not enough text for my consumptoin, just a bunch of screenshots to me.



It's all becoming politics, just like reviewers for the movie industry, half of them are getting either some type of kickbacks [bribes] or pressure to not really write objectivly, at least the widley known and popular ones. And when videogame journalisms gets to this point, the garbage that some will perpetuate will help perpetuate some studios to continue making crap games.

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