Sony to delay PS3?

Wasn't Sonic the Hedgehog PS3, Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo and Metal Gear Solid 4 running on PS3 in REAL TIME? Yes. All of them look great.

Now you can have a clear idea that does Game Videos Clip shown by SONY running in Real Time was not running in the actual PS3 machine rather than a PC with 2 NVIDIA Graphic Cards.Because the system is not in the final stage.And if this is so, XBOX 360 can do that and much more. Come on Sony you are in big Trouble. Now even the first device to play

Blue Ray will be delay.

Who honestly believed Sony? Morons?



It's obvious they just said 'Spring '06' to take people's attention off the 360 and get some folks to wait for PS3. Typical Sony PR.

Kizza, relax sit down and watch a movie. Dont take it personal. It does not take a genius to understand that 360 is going to be at a price adavntage over 360. Oh and grow up with the retard talk.



Heres your quote:

"Everyone of these companies & all companies in any business, always overhype & over promise"



Thats really good buddy, ever heard of integrity?

ya ya typo, I must be a retard.

bearattack, you've proven your ignorance. We get the point.



About the delay, I have more then enough games to hold me over like KH2, FFXII, WOW, Zelda:TLP, and much much more.

The pre-rendered PS3 demos were running on PCs with PS3-like hardware (ie video card) to simulate what it should look like on a PS3. Anyone believing that the demos we've seen were running on actual final production PS3s were hoodwinked.

Even if Sony pulls out a miracle and releases the PS3 this year, it'll only be in *Japan* with just a few games. Don't expect to see it available in the US before the end of the year or early 2007.

22. "Sony can't win with a 2007 release date, the straight facts make it that they have to release this year or risk alienating and angering fans. What I mean is kids getting teased friends feeling gamer envy the usual stuff. Yeah people who come to joystiq/engadget can wait, but I don't feel the average gamer will wait for sony."



--Yes, but you have to remember that the average "Gamer" owns a Sony Playstation 2. Beat those numbers, and you got waiting fans..

wow. bunch of crazy comments floating through there. lots that are just dumb.



a lot of what bd said is dumb -- not to pick on bd specfically as his opinions are echoed by a lot of others here. (by the way, how was your surgery, dude? i assume everything went fine.) it's sort of blind faith in a company rhetoric that sounds really silly when you start to break it apart.



the bottom line is that it sounds like they are taking option 3 in my list:

http://m3mnoch.wordpress.com/2006/01/06/the-blu-ray-of-damocles/



it's really their only chance. hopefully by then, blu-ray drives will be less expensive and stand alone players will have a place in the market amongst the early adopters. the ps3 can come in and sweep up a few of the outside mainstreamers. (tho, ideally, they wouldn't launch with the optical drive until there's actually a demand....)



that way, they are preserving the chances of blu-ray to become a standard and placing the long bet. it's a better strategy for the company than to create artificial channel conflicts and solidify hd-dvd as the future. afterall, they don't get royalties on hd-dvd.



what they are giving up is their shot at generation domination. they might (and that's a big, big might) be able to hold even with the 360 based purely on the playstation name.



it'll be hard tho.



they'll be launching in the middle of a few things:



1) 360 games will be hitting their strides. gears of war is only the beginning. it's gonna get wild. remember, the original xbox is only a 700 mhz celeron and look at half life 2 and king kong. who would have thought you could play half life 2 on a 700 mhz celeron?



2) online mmo's will be all over xbox live. after playing final fantasy last night, i'm pretty stoked about the future of them. especially when you think about the problems typical mmos have like lag due to polygon counts. (huge populations in town or at 'beginner' areas) the 360's graphics card ati built has specifically included crazy polygon support as opposed to the typical 'let's do t&l render passes quicker' type of thing common to pc gaming.



3) price cuts.... i'll say it again. by the time the ps3 launches, the 360 will have it's first price cut. this last generation, the xbox was able to match the ps2 in a price cut just because of microsoft's hot desire for market share and deep pockets. sony doesn't have deep pockets. they don't have a $60 billion in cash warchest. and they are only 1/7th of microsofts market cap in a low margin business as opposed to high margin software.



they are going to sacrifice the ps3 to the 'name brand' gods and pray in order to ensure blu-ray actually makes it as the standard.



m3mnoch.

i forgot to mention something else. someone back there commented on how we are getting used to microsoft's release of screenshots and news, etc. and how sony (nintendo even more) hasn't done that.



that's part of microsoft's strategic marketing plan. that's their entire embrace and extend attitude. they are hell bent on driving the attention. driving the release game.



that's why they started talking first about hd. that's why they are pushing live. that's why they have pushed wireless. that's why there's a deluge news and content. that's why they did a worldwide launch.



they are doing all these firsts and talking about them to tout themselves as thought leaders. once it's in the minds of the people, they just need to execute on them (which they have. maybe not flawlessly, but damned good.) to become industry leaders.



it's the strategy they have used over and over. from the operating system to the web.



embrace and extend. welcome to being assimilated, sony.



m3mnoch.

If sony doesn't have anything playable for PS3 by E3 I think microsoft's chances of winning the nextgen console wars will double

It's obvious... regardless of what magazine or article you've read. This thing isn't coming out till 2007 in the US.

I don't think Sony is actually going to make a PS3, they have already lost the next gen market to MS and nintendo, both of whom are doing much better financially than Sony and both of whom will have broad next gen console market penetration by the time the PS3 comes out. For them to "polish" the cell processor to the point where the dev tools will be as good as x360 could take billions more, not to mention blu-ray is stillborn technology that is actively being lobbied against by almost all the content providers.



Besides, Sony has no online service, for them to build the servers and infrastructure MS already has in place with Live will cost them billions also. Basically, Sony will have to hemmorhage cash in order to get the PS3 to market, and when it does, the failure of PS3 could actually bring Sony to bankruptcy. MS, as a software company, realized that the dev tools would be the deciding factor for next-gen, not the actual hardware. Sony, being a hardware company first, thought that the raw horsepower of their proprietary system would be enough to overpower the competition, as it turns out, hardware is really an afterthought to the people who actually design the games, all the coders care about are quick dev times and robust software development tools.



Sony gambled and lost. I hate to see Sony go the way of the dodo (I have always had high respect for sony hardware over the years) but I am afraid they probably will.

You can get mad at bearattack79, but hes pretty much right. Of course the prices are up in the air but youd have to be an idiot not to know the PS3 will launch at higher price point then the 360. Blu-ray? Cell Processor? and around a year gap between the two consoles. By then the 360 will probably drop in price. Use some common sense it goes a long way.



Deciding factors will come down to the PS3's online capabilities and quality of games. So far the 360 is more developer friendly but well see how things turn out at the PS3's launch.

Here was the PS2 launch. Look familiar? They announce the system. Disappear, comeback with nothing but tech demos and nothing playable. They do the Playstion conference showing playable games. Launch shortly after. Maybe launch a little later tis time than last time but regardles they are on schedule. Sorry haters.



November 27th: 1998 - Sega RELEASED the Dreamcast in Japan at 260$. People thought the graphics were awe-inspiring.



Sony doesn't even unveil their next system until March 2nd: 1999. During the initial unveiling, no games were shown, no tech details, Ken talks about the Emotion Engine.



Sony finally formally unveils the PS2 all the way on May 11th, 1999, a full 3 months after the initial announcement of the system. But still, no games are shown, nothing but a few technical details on the system itself.



September 9th, 1999. Sega releases the Dreamcast here in the United States. System sells out, flies off shelves, gamers are amazed at Soul Calibur.



February 18th, 2000, Sony for the first time shows off playable PS2 games to the public during the Playstation Festival. Nearly a full year after the systems unveiling. Dreamcast still selling strong in the US, falls flat in Japan.



Playstation 2 goes on sale in Japan on March 4th, 2000. Not even a month after the initial playable demos of games were showcased. Even without any first party titles or big name titles, THOUSANDS of people line up to take home the console. Stores are sold out before they officially open and a little less then a million consoles sell. Sony later announces a 980,000 unit mark and 500,000 of those being sold through Playstation Online.



May 10th, 2000. Sony announces plans to ship the PS2 to the US in October.



September 20th, 2000 Sony announces difficulty of manufactoring PS2's for the US due to a new graphic synthesizer design that failed.



October 26th, the Playstation 2 is released in the US selling 500,000 consoles at launch with 100,000 consoles per week hitting stores after that, always selling out. PS2's remained sold out until March 21st, 2001 despite the 100,000 a week shipments.

To Kizza, and reklessgemini.



Heres a quote from Kizza.



"Everyone of these companies & all companies in any business, always overhype & over promise"



This is a sony fanboy who accepts the fact!! Do you share the same view?

So many posts with people lacking knowledge of what happened with consoles and what is happening it isn't funny.



Alright PS2 started off bad because one when developing the system Sony kept the SDK kit closed source, big mistake because they tried to force the developers to conform then work with. Not to mention the Emotion Engine did not work as it was planned. As a result many PS2 games didn't even come close to the desired quality at start, it took them a few years to just reach that because of those two major flaws.



XBox got a good run by playing off these flaws, they first went to developers and worked with them to design their SDK, controllers, etc.. So by the time the PS2 was getting the quality they had originally wanted XBox became large enough to be a competitor. Though XBox still lost profit in doing so and to this day hasn't made it back yet.



The PSP it's major flaw was with it's scheduling of it's system being ready caught development of the games for it off guard and caused a slow release for any games on the system, this seems that it'll recover from it around Februrary 1, 2006.



XBox 360 as much as people want to deny it was pushed to release sooner when it would of been a better product later. The only real "Next Gen" thing about is that it supports 3 PowerPC Processors, yet now MS is making the PS2's mistakes by trying to make the developers conform to make more complex coding using the practically the same old programming tools. On top of this the system has inadequate cooling and runs insainly hot and is a monster at consuming energy. Not to mention it's lack of any Blu-Ray or Toshiba HD-DVD drive (Which they are considering to place a HD-DVD drive in as a later option).



The system is basically the same old technology just with 3 processors instead of 1 and badly designed for energy and cooling. The XBox 360 might be cheaper but in the long run it's going to hit your hard with the electricity bill. Also add in that XBox had a delay on their SDK being released which was also a mistake the PS2 made, they are making the same PS2 mistakes now.



PS3 learning from PS2's mistakes changed around their SDK and made it open source, now the developers are actually an integral part of making a part of device so they basically get to make programming tools that they see to be useful. PS3 also is getting processing power equal to XBox 360 with a few differences one major spot is in it's floating point capable of 2 Teraflops vs. XBox 360's 1 Teraflop. Also the CBE design provides it potential to produce more power then the XBox 360's 3 PowerPC Processors due to the law of Diminishing Returns.



Anyway most of this speculation of a late release is histarical. If Sony learned from their PSP mess (Which I hope they did) then they should be able to pull out last minute surprise release without any problem to the game line up. As for it's release Sony had stated a Spring 2006 release which means Februrary, March, April, May, and June as possible months. The Blu-Ray technology is speculated with a May 1, 2006 release and every PS3 game to be out on the systems launch even has a May 1, 2006 release date. Not to mention on the Japan site for the PS3 they even state a possible Q2 release which sets May 1, 2006 as the start of Q2 and still in the confines of a Spring 2006 release.



As far as everything stays the way it is it looks like the PS3 is scheduled for a May 1, 2006 release.

Considering sony said that it will anounce the price at this years E3 i doubt the west will see it before the end of the year but hey could be wrong. I laughed when MS said the 360 would be out in time for Xmas 2005 :x

the facts? what facts? console specs? All kizza is stating is that companies over hype... it's the art of marketing.



I agree with m3mnoch, Microsoft is doing a hell of a job but you can't take Sony out of the picture just yet like #64 claims. MS and Nintendo already taken the next gen market? Nintendo hasn't even release the Revo and MS fell short from their 3million 360 goal.



I'm going to enjoy the best of three worlds

360=online play

Revo=good exercise for my arms

PS3=jpn exclusive titles

wow.



even i don't think sony will go into bankrupty. especially not the way of the dodo. their console team might go the way of sega, but not the dodo.



i see them focusing more on the mobile market. i think that's a viable exit strategy for them. especially given the fact that they just can't compete in software with microsoft -- and that's what games are. software and tools for developers. [insert other windows dominance metaphors here]



and, that guy chris is all kinds of wrong. you guys can go read some of the analysis on my site for views a bit closer to reality. he misses things like carmack saying the 360 is easier to program for (have you seen visual studio 2005 for games? xna integration?) to open source doesn't mean easy (in fact, it's almost always the opposite) to his bizarre reliance on floating point performance for main processors (we're not running photoshop filters on the main processor, man. you should look at floating point processing for intel vs. powerpc chips then tell me who the market leader is.) of a game console.



also, i want to speak up for the silent majority here: my xbox 360 is not hot. the unit doesn't run any hotter than the vcr. the power supply isn't hot (nor even warm) to the touch. i mean, my transformer for my router runs hotter than it does.



people who bitch about it being hot are either a) in that 2% of flawed machines or b) don't own 360s and like to propogate rumors.



that, of course is based on the 6 people i know (including me) and their NOT HOT XBOX 360's. yes. not a one of us runs hot. or even close.



anyway....



m3mnoch.

"So when did Sony say the PS3 was coming out Spring 2006?



I Believe it was on a giant 20-30 foot screen at E3 If Im not mistaken.

Hey, Kizza, you make good points about fanboys, and I agree. However, one reason that some people are fanboys is when you are really into a system like the Dreamcast and you see it killed due to ignorance. I know, I know, ultimately it was Segas fault, but ps2 hype certainly didnt help. Personally I would like to see all 3 consoles do well.