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"That was a fast reply"

Not, really. Over 2 hours had passed. In fact 2 hours and 21 minutes had passed. Whereas, only 59 minutes had passed before your next reply to me. I would say that shows you are the fast replyer not me. At least relative to this exchange. So you shouldn't go insinuated I reply quickly when you reply even more quickly.

Did you see that?

I took something you said, argued with it and attempted to prove you wrong.

You DID say it. Those WERE your words. Does that mean the words were an important part of your post worth arguing about? Obviously not. Thats what I've been trying to explain however I decided to give an example in the hopes you might finally understand. You do what I just did. (although in some cases you took things I didnt actually say)

Because as you said. "You wrote them here, they're fair game for critiquing"

Admittedly, its not quite this obvious but my attempts at sublety have been wasted it seems.
I'll concede that you have a right to critique things I said. But, in turn, I have a right to tell you that you are ignoring the real points of my post, and focusing in on unrelated or unimportant details which you were.

If you don't get it after my repeated explanations and this example, I can't make it more clear than what I'm doing here. Hopefully this finally demonstrates what I'm talking about. Afterall, in your last post, you more or less admitted that your responses were not quite on point, but that you think your responses are still legitimate because they do in fact address some of the words I used.

Thank you for that. It feels like maybe I got through. Maybe.

"You are VERY reminiscent of BD as you seem to type, think, and act like him; naturally, I confused the two of you. That was "my bad" too, I suppose."

Knowing how confused you seem to get from your own posts, and seeing you argue with yourself in an attempt to "cover your bases", its not surprising that you would confuse such things. I don't hold it against you.

tickle me xboxless, you are a sad, sad man. How insecure you must be to come into threads spreading FUD because you are so worried that people might like the 360 better than the Revolution. You are truly you own worst enemy.

"BTW, nothing I said about the 360 was uninformed. I'm very well informed thank you."

Such as saying the 360 "aint no better" than the Xbox on a standard tv? Compare DOOM3 and Quake4 side by side on a SDTV and tell me you can't see a huge leap in detail, antialiasing, and antroscopic filtering . While DOOM3 pushed the Xbox to the max, Quake4 was a rushed port that didn't take advantage of the system. We can only expect games to look better from here on out. Whether the 360 looks no better than the Xbox is not a debatable point that you could EVER win. Sorry.
Xbox:
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/226/1111781865.jpg
360:
http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1150/1123805551.jpg

You also wrote "everyone knows" that Geometry Wars is the best the 360 has to offer. Really? I don't recall anybody claiming that other than you. Some people have said it's their favorite game, but that doesn't make it the best the 360 has to offer.

You write about the Revolution based pure speculation and act as if they are facts. When was the price of the system and games announced again? Oh thats right, unless you are a Nintendo plant, you guessed. So someone who is so well informed, why do you constantly pull information out of you butt? And "Until they say you can't, its a safe assumption that you can." does not pass the sniff test.

"And I wasn't attacking anyone." Try calling a cop any of the following: "bitches" "you're hopeless" "borderline schizophrenic"

"20 xbox fanboys jump out of the woodwork and flame me for insinuating that a 360 has a high cost of entry and that the graphics are not better this gen than last (even though thats not really what I said)." Not what you said? Then who wrote this: "On a SDTV the graphics aint no better than a current xbox and the games are the same. The new controller aint worth $400." And this.... "My point here and previously was that the 360 was expensive and you need to buy other things to use it fully that adds up to alot of money." That's right, it as you. Seems like thats exactly what you said. Now who is borderline schizophrenic?

"Yes, HD is important. No one said its not." Except you. "Afterall if you get the same graphical leap on SDTV, then who cares about HD."
Do you even read your own posts?

Toys for Rob thank you.

Someone finnaly gets what was going on.For a while I was wondering if the people here were just naive.

He is simply trying make the 360 compete its own features against itself.XBLA OR HD?

I have both in the same system.XBLA isnt meant to compete with the hi def functionality.They compliment each other.No one stated that simple gaming couldnt be fun.And if someone did the argument these guys are using is so ignorant at best.Its so vague because who are the people that actually screamed hd was so important and simple games were'nt.Are they even still here?

Tickle me xboxless, you dont have one, hence your name.

Why would anyone listen to you about the 360?
If you did have one you would be complimenting this nice addition.Think about it like this when you cant afford a $60 dollar game you can still buy a 5-10 dollar game.And have fun at the same time.Do you even still play your launch games for your xbox, or gamecube? I dont and cant remember the last time I played halo or oddworld. Once the games start cranking out I will be playing newer games with an occasional visit to the launch games.And if you want to play hi def games, what about the people with 1-2 games?We have had these games since november 22.Most have beaten these games or unlocked all or most of the achievements.So we get the quick fix.Are you gonna continue to play a game that you have beaten? And if pressed for time are you gonna start a madden game?

Grow up!You guys just wanted something to argue about.Of course everyone with a 360 is gonna flame you.You dont have one and you are speaking on it in a negative way.

Toys for Rob you are the sad one I'm afraid. I just went through my posts and I can't find where I responded to you, maybe I missed it because there was alot of commotion early on. Did I say something to you or do you just feel the overwhelming urge to defend the 360 out of sheer love? Do you feel that somehow the people I was actually discussing these things with didn't do your console justice? Is that it? If so, that is sad, because it makes you sound spiteful jumping into a conversation that didnt really involve you. Unless you were one of the salivating fanboys that jumped out of the woodwork early on that I gladly ignored.

The 360 is fine and has lots of good qualities. You take my words out of context and try to make them what they are not because, it seems, you take my comments personally. This tends to color your response and make it difficult for you to be objective, which is clear by your tactics which I'll explain in a moment. No one should get their panties in a knot about this stuff as you seem to have done. So love your 360. Thats fine. Just don't sweat it when people on forums don't see it so lovingly as you do. It doesn't mean they are haters. I don't hate the 360. I think its a good machine. However, I'm not afraid to comment on what I view its shortcomings to be. You seem to think I'm a revolution fanboy, but I would gladly discuss the shortcoming of that console as well, and they are many, IMO.

Ok, on to your post. Yay!

"come into threads spreading FUD"

I'm not spreading FUD. Unless of course, stating my opinion is spreading FUD. I simply view some aspects of the 360 to be problematic. Thats not FUD my friend, thats freedom of speech and thought. However FUD may be the way a fanboy sees it when someone speaks critically about their favorite console. It sounds like you are the insecure one if you consider critical opinions toward the 360 to be FUD. I was saying that the 360 was expensive and after a bunch of fanboys jumped down my throat it got a little out of hand. The 360 _IS_ expensive as I see it, period.

And, I have played the 360 on a SDTV plenty and graphically it doesn't seem much better to me(I do like the controller though). I would argue that if you the graphical difference is difficult to notice without a direct side by side comparison, then the difference cant be that great. Obviously I am not referring to games when played on an HDTV. To my eye they are clearly better looking in HD even without a side by side.

"You also wrote "everyone knows" that Geometry Wars is the best the 360 has to offer. Really? I don't recall anybody claiming that other than you."

If you read all my posts, you'll notice that I was using geometry wars as a generic example of whats available on XBLA/XBL, not specifically the game geometry wars. Several of the sites I read regularly have not only called geometry wars the best title on the 360 (joystiq said this as well) but have also made it clear that if any single feature of the 360 could push it to success over sony it would be XBL and XBLA and fresh fun games like geometry wars. And I agree even if you don't. Its a great differentiating factor and "arguably" the best thing going for it RIGHT NOW. That was my point. Sorry you ignored it. So I stand by that statement.

""And I wasn't attacking anyone." Try calling a cop any of the following: "bitches" "you're hopeless" "borderline schizophrenic"

You are very tricky here.

First, the idea that a litmus test exists such that anything you can't say to a cop is therefore an attack is all sorts of lame. So if I asked someone if they had some weed, would that be an attack on them because I wouldn't say it to a cop? Come on.

Having said that, your attempt at proving me wrong on this point is intellectually dishonest anyway. I think you know it but I'll tell you why anyway.

Its because when I made the comment that you are quoting:

"And I wasn't attacking anyone."

It was a direct response to nick saying that the following comment was an attack on the entire xbox community,

"its about the best the system has to offer right now".

So, I stand by this comment as well when viewed in context. I was NOT attacking anyone with that comment. Its a horrible misrepresentation of what was stated for you to portray it as you did using things I said later and in unrelated comments to try to prove I was lying when I wasn't. This makes you appear desparate to make me look like a lier. You seem insecure because you have to try to use deceptive exerps like that. It is fickle and petty makes it seem like you are taking this personally when I wasn't even really talking to you.

And you also mentioned the word "bitches" which is from my statement, "Yeah, thems some sweet ass nickles and dimes bitches".

Wow, you really are touchy here aren't you?

This is a quote from Chris Rock which I thought was appropriate as several posters had mentioned getting "nickeled and dimed". Its supposed to be funny. Note the misspelling of "thems". Maybe I shouldn't include cultural references in my posts for humor. My bad if you honestly thought I was calling you a bitch.

Then you go on to quote me as saying,

"20 xbox fanboys jump out of the woodwork and flame me for insinuating that a 360 has a high cost of entry and that the graphics are not better this gen than last (even though thats not really what I said)." Not what you said? Then who wrote this: "On a SDTV the graphics aint no better than a current xbox and the games are the same."

I have added a stress to a portion of my quote so this makes more sense to you, "thats not REALLY what I said"

The use of the word "really" should demonstrate that I admitted to saying something similar but that there was a different meaning than what I was being accused of. I stand by this as well.

To be even more specific, I never said the graphics weren't better this gen than last when viewed on a HDTV. I said they werent better on an _SDTV_. Thats not the same as saying they aren't better at all and you know it. Many people (you included it seems) took this to mean that I thought there were no graphical improvements AT ALL which is wrong. It all goes back to my point that to get the full potential of the 360, you need an HDTV and its expensive. How many times do I have to correct this misunderstanding? So it seems I'm not schizophrenic after all but rather you just need to read things a little better before jamming out a response.

And you go on to make 2 mistakes in your next attempt to use my words against me here:

"Yes, HD is important. No one said its not." Except you. "Afterall if you get the same graphical leap on SDTV, then who cares about HD."

My comment of "Afterall if you get the same graphical leap on SDTV, then who cares about HD." was a hypothetical response to anyone claiming you don't need an HDTV to see all the graphical improvements of the 360. In context, the meaning was clear. As you have quoted it out of context, you are either attempting a weak deception (intentional) or you aren't reading my posts thoroughly(unintentional).

Its not uncommon for hardcore fans to ignore certain parts of posts and single out those parts they find offensive. Unfortunately when you do this, you miss important facets of a dialogue which renders your comments nearly useless.

Sure, twisted quoting of comments like yours might sound good if you didn't actually follow the thread, but if you did and you are thinking clearly then such comments don't stand up nearly as well.

I understand that the thread was long and its alot to expect for someone to thoroughly read all the posts. (maybe thats what you're counting on with all your out of context deceptions, I'm not sure) But if you really want to try to belittle me, at least do me the courtesy of reading my posts for reasons other than trying to find cute little contradictions that only make sense if you completely remove them from the thread.

If anyone else would like to jump on the dog pile, feel free. My name draws fanboys like flies so I'm used to it.

Since when does anyone need an invitation to comment about somebody's posts?

A fanboy is someone who blindly loves a particular company, that is not me, but you. I've owned just about every console that has ever been released, including Nintendos NES, SNES, N64, GameCube and even a SuperFamicom. I personally have 4 standup arcade cabinets in my home, one of which is Donkey Kong. Just because I'm calling you out for radical claims doesn't mean I have allegiance to any particular company. If the Revolution and PS3 have a bunch of great games, you can be certain I will buy them as well. If you called me a plant, that would be closer to the truth, but you wouldn't believe anything I say about that, nor would I expect you to.

"To be even more specific, I never said the graphics weren't better this gen than last when viewed on a HDTV. I said they werent better on an _SDTV_."
And yet even in context that is still demonstratedly not true. Clearly you did not bother to see the examples that were given by myself and others. Even the rushed 360 ports look better than their SDTV companions. To make matter worse, the 360 looks even better on a HDTV, something the Revolution will not support even though it may cost as much as the 360 Core (and have a quarter of the ram for textures, geometry, etc). This particular argument you can not win and just makes you look desperate to put down the 360.

"I'm not spreading FUD." WHAT????? "Nintendo Revolution console $150, 5 games at $40 each, your current TV works just fine and free online service puts your first year of ownership at $350." Last time I checked, Nintendo still hasn't released any pricing information about online service/games, controller, or memory cards, and yet here you claim to know how much cheaper the Revolution will be than the 360. Interesting. Your claim is 100% FUD and shows your Nintendo fanboy colors.

"My name draws fanboys like flies so I'm used to it."
That's because your posts are filled to the brim with fecal matter. You flip-flop more than any politician I have seen.

Doh! I messed up at least once...:) I meant:

Even the rushed 360 ports look better than their Xbox companions.

Wow, nice rant. You didn't prove anything though, other than that you really are a fanboy. It doesn't matter how many consoles you own. You meet your own definition of blind love. You seem to be blind to the 360s flaws. Who cares if you own donkey kong?