PSP to increase lead over DS in 2005

They also said that the DS *and* the PSP have sold 13 million units.

That's simply not right. I'm of the opinion that someone ought to remove this SIG... for great justice.

Hmm... recent history leads me to disregard these predictions. They very well could happen, but is the DS known for superseding predictions like these? I don't think Nintendo will just sit by and let Sony win without a pretty big fight. It will probably be very close, either way.

Handheld gamers tend to be casual gamers. You really can't compare handheld and console gaming in such a way to this trend. If people want a portable media player they tend to gravitate to the Ipod not the PSP and on the games front the DS has more and diverse games. Its line-up has much more variety and there is simply more of them. Sony is trying to get the PSP to assume the place of the PS2 but it cannot because of hardware limitations. It will continue to suffer until that changes.

Beg pardon? Variety and depth of games on the PSP? Which ones are he talking about? Now I ain't no fanboy, but out of the current games and releases in the next 6 months I see two I'd wanna play - GTA and Ghouls n Ghosts. That's it.
And if 3rd party games are gonna make up that much of the catalogue, you know EA are gonna have a big chunk of that. Which doesn't support any idea of vgaried and deep games.
Oh yeah - woot! First post!

Worst. Analysis. Ever.

They don't even give a reason why a (vitual) gameless system can beat a innovating system like the DS.

That Analysis is a waste of space.

Damn, maybe not. :-(

Ofcourse this is pure speculation, but I have to agree... the "stats" already show that the PSP is only just beginning to pick up steam. This Nintendo also knows, probably is why there are DS redesign rumours(?) floating around... The PSP being a little more expensive will take more time to gain on lower-priced portables... but it's inevitable.

The PSP has barely SHIPPED 10 million units by October 2005.

I call bunk on them selling 13 million for their first year.

I doubt the PSP has SOLD 13 million...shipped I can believe though.

Of course they say that. They're ignorant. It's their job to make stuff up. There is nothing to back up these claims. I guess they're so sick of going with the obvious(and being wrong) that they switched it up and went the way of unorthodoxy.

What makes the PSP seem like a device that's picking up speed? must be the stellar games on the horizon...wait a minute...

Must be the strong launch that reflects the hardwares lifecycle...wait a minute...

Must be the fact that the DS is losing steam...wait a minute...

Must be that the DS has less 3rd party support, and no upcoming hits...wait a mintute...

Analysts are as much a reliable source as pshycics, alm readers, or tarot cards.

Give me a break, you guys make money?

Increase their lead? When was the PSP ever in the lead?

Talk about a fatal flaw

"As the class of gamers seeking console-like gaming grows..."

If you want to play console games you play them on a console with a 6' screen and 5.1, not on a poxy 4" screen with tinny stereo speakers. Handhelds represent small simple games, games that consoles were pumping out years ago. underpowered, oversimplified, overly fun (just like the console games of yesteryear).

there are handhelds and there are consoles. neither the 2 will mix. handhelds for the gameplay. consoles for the immersion. I'd probably need a lot of my head removing before I get immersed in anything smaller than a 14" screen.

This analysis is horrible. It dosen't take into account how horrible the games are for PSP have been thus far (well, that's more of my opinion, but the ratio of good to bad games for PSP is something everyone can agree upon).
The PSP is hella expensive too. I mean, they expect me to spend 250.00 (plus around maybe another 100 or 150 for any games or movies) and then expect me to shell out 300 - 500 for PS3 by this fall or next spring? Yeah right, I'm in college, I dun got that kind of money. Now, 130 for the Nintendo DS and I already own a PC? Not much use for a PSP, even less so if an emulator comes out for PC, which will eventually happen.

Needless to say I call bunk as well; I mean as much as I want one for homebrew purposes, which I think is the PSP's only truly great advantage and sadly Sony is refrusing to embrace it, I overall see the PSP as wasted potential thus far on par with the 360's dissapointing launch.

Next-Gen.biz.... *laugh*

Seriously, every time I see a link to them I KNOW for a fact that there will be something in the article ripping Nintendo. In fact, it seems to me that that's their only function is to be an instrument of FUD against anything Nintendo is trying to accomplish.

I haven't seen one positive "news" article or editorial come out of them regarding the company. I could probably send them a story with photochopped pictures of Miyamoto drowning kittens and they would publish it in a heartbeat.

I have a PSP and a DS and haven't seen a whole lot of games for the psp worth buying, or even playing. The only thing that makes the PSP worth owning is home brew and the ability to play emulators although Sony tries to discourge that by requiring firmware upgrades on the new games that almost seem worth buying. If a firmware upgrade is required however, the game isn't worth it in my opinion. When some half-way decent games come out for the PSP we will see. And by the way, the reason that the psp has been outselling the DS since christmas in Japan is the same reason as why the gamecube has been outselling the 360 here, there simply arent any to buy.

What the heck are they talking about?
The Ds Has been very successful so far,
And have you noticed most of the stuff
released for Psp is movies!
Nintendo has killer games, Sony has movies.

Speaking as someone who's worked with fund managers and analsysts...they MAKE STUFF UP. It's what they do.

Let's put this in perspective: in Q3-2004, they said that Apple and HP would be selling a million iPods a month for the rest of year, and 3 million in Q1-2005. That would have been triple what Apple predicted. Guess who was right and who was wrong?

Don't you mean "PSP to increase lead over DS in 2006" not 2005?

I don't know where these analysts pull out these figures, but I know where they can shove them.

Interestingly, 93% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

44% of all people know that.

Rabid Nintendogs foaming at the mouth... You all make me laugh with great satisfaction. I wish more articles like this were posted every day. Such a joy to read such comments from Nintendo evangelists... Note how there are ONLY Nintendo fans replying? Bwahahaha...

The PSP is sexy and very powerful. Games, music, movies, and internet capability... I carry one device. My PSP has paid for itself many times over, it's the coolest thing I own. I love convergence done well.

good job darryl. You totally refuted all the points made above.

Certainly the PSP is convergence done well, but the poor game sales cast some doubt as to its validity as a game system.

the DS is outselling the PSP by 4 to 1 when it was in stock over xmas in japan how soes this translate?

PSP got a darn good hardware. Now the only thing missing is good games lol.

There are only Nintendo fans because this is blatantly biased projections.

Given their foundation is that the PSP has sold as well as the DS, (which it hasn't), it must be refuted.

PSP fans dare not speak up, because quite simply, its wrong.

And I'm really sorry that the PSP is the coolest thing you own. Maybe you will do better in the next life.

Convergence done well? Half-assed browser, very limited and expensive storage capacity for video and music, a very poor music player with very limited features (even less than the feature-less iPod), lack of support for different audio/video codecs, very poor battery life for an audio player, being excesssively bulky and heavy etc; the list goes on my friend. I'd rather carry around a MP3 player like the Creative Zen Vision:M and a GBA than having a PSP.

#19

You no more of a "Sony fanboy" than we are "Nintendo fanboys".

Hell you are worse

Why is this article even getting press? Come on, Joystiq. You can do better than this.

Just because "I" tell you how it is, means that is the way it is.
"Just because I'm dressed this way..... does not make me a whore. Fellas that is true, just because she's dressed a certain way does not mean that she is a certain way. But you are wearing a whores uniform, I'll tell you that." - D.C.

I agree with Darryl. Convergence done right = PSP.

This whole "no games" debate is ridiculous. I own Tiger Woods, SOCOM: FTB, Grand Theft Auto: LCS, and Burnout Legends. ALL are excellent games (albiet adult games, something that flies over the heads of many reading this) and will hold me over for many months to come as I'm nowhere near completing any of them yet, despite playing on a fairly regular basis.

Oh yeah, this innovation you speak of. How many DS games offer 16 player online WITH ability to communicate with everyone else on your squad??

Innovation that improves gameplay > Innovation for the sake of innovation (two screens)

Any adult that plays Nintendogs should be immediately placed on their local sex offender registry.

it's always the same rabid fanboys that come on here and start posting how they know more then any analyst (not saying their right either) then start to pull numbers out of their ass (probably got from a more "reliable" site).
That's great you guys have a DS and love all those quirky innovative Nintendo games. THAT'S GREAT!
But some of you simply deny the fact that the PSP have made their spot on the handheld market.
They're not "suffering" or "failing". Their games don't all suck. It's a matter of opinion. Are you telling me that every game on the DS scored a perfect 10 on every review? Hell fuck no.
Yeah there's alot of ports, but I've said this before. The Nintendo Advance thrived on ports. Hell, even the DS has it's share of ports. Don't give me that crap. Innovative? Yes. Out of this world? pfffffft...
Don't you guys want a choice? Doesn't competition bring out the best in them? I'm not saying the DS sucks cause it doesn't. I'm not saying the DS isn't successful cause it is.
What I'm saying is this whole fanboyish thing needs to stop. The PSP is here to stay.

Really though, who gives a shit? Bet next article having to do anything with either one of the two, you'll have the very same douchebags come on here and grace joystiq with their simple minded ignorance.

All you people saying they only shipped 13 million units can shut up, Sony is still getting the money if they are shipping it and retailers don't just buy the console unless their selling out, it's not like their gonna buy 1,000 units to make Sony look better. Plus I can believe that the PSP will do better then the DS in 2006. Their getting a lot of good games like Field Commander, Syphon Filter, E3, Katamari, Splinter Cell, FF7: Crisis Core, Pursuit Force, MGA2, and more. As long as they push their online network ahead of the DS they'll do fine. And the DS may have a lot of good games now, but those won't sell a ton this year. The first month a game is out is when it sells the most copies. The DS is getting MP:H and Tetris though, but I can see a lot of intrest in the PSP especially with a price cut.

Very poor battery life for a PSP?!?

I get 5 hours out of my battery. Where are you where you're gaming for over 5 hours and can't get access to a power source by the fifth hour? It gets me through a stint at the airport (waiting + flight). That's all I need and the longest I ever go without an available power source.

Now the iPod video with it's 2 hour battery......THAT'S poor battery life.

"Rabid Nintendogs foaming at the mouth... You all make me laugh with great satisfaction. I wish more articles like this were posted every day. Such a joy to read such comments from Nintendo evangelists... Note how there are ONLY Nintendo fans replying? Bwahahaha...

The PSP is sexy and very powerful. Games, music, movies, and internet capability... I carry one device. My PSP has paid for itself many times over, it's the coolest thing I own. I love convergence done well."

Translation: I’m fat.

"Convergence done well? Half-assed browser,..."
Works perfectly for me, even has java script support... I can check my mail and other various sites, what more do you need? It's a portable, need flash or other fancy browser features? Use a desktop! The PSP browser works just fine.

"...very limited and expensive storage capacity for video and music,..."
With a 1GB stick, I have all the storage I need... Right now I have 4 full albums which I rotate often, plus 2 transcoded HDTV episodes of LOST (about 140MB each)... When I get bored of my tunes or want to watch a new episode, I transfer the new material - the memory stick is *rewritable*, gosh!

"... a very poor music player with very limited features (even less than the feature-less iPod),"
That's just what I would expect to hear from an iPod owner :) Whatever man, I press play, the tunes start. I press stop, they stop. I have shuffle and repeat... done. What else does any sane person need? Bottom line, works perfectly for me. I listen to tunes on the PSP everyday.

"... lack of support for different audio/video codecs,..."
Ahh... really? Like what codecs are missing? All you need is MPEG for audio/video... IMHO. All my music is in MP3, and I transcode all video to MP4 with ffmpeg in Linux... If you are referring to WMV, then I have to disagree... I'm happy that Sony stays away from implementing stupid Microsoft crap... I was sad when they added WMA support, useless.

"...very poor battery life for an audio player,..."
Pfff! Funny I have never ran out of juice whilst listening to tunes. I regularily take 6 hour bus rides, my PSP holds up all the way. As the PSP does more than just play tunes, I carry another battery which gives me all the time I could possibly need. Maybe you're different, maybe you regularily travel for 12 - 14 hours at a time, but I don't... The PSP battery life is far from poor. If you're a heavy user, buy another battery... imagine that.

"... being excesssively bulky and heavy etc;..."
Ok, I'm no Conan but you must be terribly feeble because the PSP is very light-weight... If you can't hold a PSP then, well, maybe there are other issues worth your attention. Bulky!? OMG... that's the best part... If the PSP is bulky then the DS is a jagged hunk of plate steel mangled badly by a blow torch.

"...the list goes on my friend. I'd rather carry around a MP3 player like the Creative Zen Vision:M and a GBA than having a PSP."
Then buy all means, do so... for me, a cell phone and PSP are all I need for communications and entertainment. I have two pockets in my coat liner, PSP on the right, phone on the left... head-phones... portable device bliss.

#29, your argument makes no sense. Not only do the majority of the comments agree that the PSP would be a great platform IF IT HAD GAMES, they also never mentioned anything about sony "suffering" or "failing". Where is this call for Sony to give up the competition? The only two arguments I've seen repeated here appear to be: 1. lack of games, and 2. expense, and the issue of console ports was never even mentioned.

So maybe before you start calling people douchebags, you should try reading the comments and formulate a counterpoint, lest you reveal your own "simple minded ignorance".

Of course, the same goes for both sides.

And yet for all that rebuttal, they still strike against the comment "convergence done well"...

Sure there are workable solutions as you mentioned, that of course add to the cost of the PSP with large flash memory sticks and extra batteries, and for a battery add some bulk.

For still merely adequate audio/video solutions (even in your own words, its sufficient, but nothing stellar)...with no mention of what would be presumed to be the central point of a PSP, the gaming.

Notice how it says "2005"? DS kicked PSP's ass in 2005...

I will admit the PSP is a sexy media player, the web surfing is neat but is too troublesome it takes me 2 minutes to type in a web adress in that thing...However the PSP has simply lost sight of its original function, to play games. There is simply no playing at this station.

What DS owners have to look forward to so far in 2006:

New Super Mario Bros.
The Legend of Zelda DS
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence
Bomberman Story (online)
Pok?n Diamond/Pearl
Mario Basket 3 on 3
Final Fantasy III
Seiken Densetsu: Children of Mana
New Harvest Moon: Rune Factory
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (online)
Ash: Archaic Sealed Heat
Tales of the Tempest
Kaitou Wario
Custom Robo DS
Densetsu no Starfi 4
Dracula Castlevania
Gyakuten Saiban 4
Magical Vacation: 5-tsu no Hoshi Ganarabutoki
Dragon Quest Monsters
Super Monkey Ball Touch & Roll
Tenchu DS
Tingle RPG
Ultimate Card Games
Ultimate Brain Games
Vandal Hearts DS
Xenosaga I & II
Worms: Open Warfare
Ys Strategy
Megaman ZX
Tetris DS
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings
Tamagotchi Connexion: Corner Shop!
Black & White Creatures
Nicktoons Unite!
Super Black Bass Fishing
Top Gun
Super Princess Peach
Golden Nugget Casino DS
FIFA Street 2
Scurge: Hive
Nicktoons
Dynasty Warriors
Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi
Brain Flex
Pokemon Trozei
Top Spin 2
Mage Knight: Destiny's Soldier
Ice Age 2: The Meltdown
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Stormbreaker
Garfield's A Tail of Two Kitties
Star Trek: Tactical Assault
Legend of the Dragon
Shin Megami Tensei DS
Puyo Pop Fever 2
Azure Dreams
Pokemon Ranger: The Road to Diamond and Pearl Nintendo
Flipper Critters
Rub Rabbits!, The
Marvelous Interactive Real-Time-Strategy Project [untitled]
TBA 2006 Bomberman [untitled WiFi-enabled sequel]
Fairly OddParents
Wish Room
Puzzeloop
TBA 2006 Yu-Gi-Oh! Series [working title sequel]
Castlevania [untitled sequel]
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2
Digimon World [working title]
Dark Reflections
Cerulean Dreams
Konductra
Biker Mice From Mars
Cartoon Network Racing
Strawberry Shortcake
Rainbow Islands Revolution
Zoids Saga DS: Legend of Arcadia
Tottoko Hamtaro: Nazo Nazo Q - Kumo no Ue no ? Shiro
Contact
Nights of War Songs
Iron Feather
Street Racing Syndicate
Deep Fried project [untitled]
Professional Wrestling [working title]
Katamari Damacy [rumored]
Jeff Corwin Experience
Baten Kaitos DS
World Reborn: Unification
Intellivision Lives!
Code: Lyoco
Turok Next [working title]
Boy and His Blob, A
Totally Spies
Boktai
Egg Monster Hero
Winning Eleven Konami
Anaka
SSX 4
Raid Over the River *TBA
Chaos League *TBA

Sony tried to take over the handheld Market the a Day. It was poorly constructed plot and nintendo is like Jack Bauer it always survive. The PSP's problem is simply lack of software. And according to my friend "Nintendo has our childhood that's why is so success it's our first love."

Monkeypox, I could understand if this is the first DS vs PSP thread you've come across on this here site. I've been reading up on a few of them. And I've come to the conclusion that there are alot of Nintendo fanboys infesting this site. The word "failure" might not be in this one but #3's "It will continue to suffer until that changes." like it's ......well, "suffering".
I really don't have the time to explain myself. But most should get the point.
GTG home!

great attempt for rebuttal but that list is loaded with crap games as well. But if you eliminate the nicktoon and cartoon network games and etc. we'll have a gigantic list of shit. Glad to see the Sony fans are out too...."foaming at the mouth"

=)

Lets see, the DS is dominating the PSP in Japan, its game and Hardware sales are through the roof while the PSP is left in the dust.

In Europe and NA the two consoles are basically neck and neck.

Also key to note the DS slaes in NA have been depressed due to high GBA sales, expect this to change when pokemon is released on the DS and the DS drops in price.

Basically this means the DS will continue to retain the lead, because of the vast lead it enjoys in Japan. While in NA it will gain the lead as its sales skyrocket.

In addition this leads to increased Dev support and finally better games, the PSP only has the flashy graphics on its side.

Winner DS.

I would like to recall my comment.....
the was a HUMONGOUS TYPO....I GIANT LIST OF GOOD GAME AFTER WE REMOVE THE CARTOON GAMES.....THIS IS IN CAPS SO NOBODY WILL REMARK AGAINST ME

again.....just forgive my previously horrible grammar. I was in a frenzy to cover up the horrible typo I made. I often have the phrases I'm going to type run through my head as I type them leaving a few words chopped off here and there. I would like to claim that the gigantic list of games posted is full of 1/4 crap games and 3/4 are the actual good games.
The Sony fans are still adamant about protecting a system with mediochre games and the only popular software being the home-brew stuff. YES WE ALL KNOW IT CAN PLAY MOVIES, GOD! If they think that their time has come they can just sit back down, because this means the fight's just beginning!

yeah, tyagi kind of has the ultimate point there: the PSP dosen't have Pokemon, and Pokemon makes billions a year. Slight advantage who ever has Pokemon and shit loads of games.

Although I would've ommitted Totally Spies and Zoids from that list of DS games coming in 2006 lol.

I never said all og those games were great and worth getting. I merely posted the list compiled of the games coming out for '06. All of those games must appeal to someone, it is an example of the diversity in its library. Just out of curiousity do you actually know anything about the games you question Matt, or are you just judging by name? There are 34 games on the list I will definitly check out. Looking at the PSP lineup at best 17 peak my intterest some of which are likely to end up being PORTable versions of the console counterparts.

Why is it that when people post thier grievances they are automatically branded as "fanboys". Is the PSP flawless?! absolutly not. Is the DS?! NO. Each system has its flaws.

#40
I use the term suffer, because...it is. There is no doubt in my mind that the PSP can do alot better if the design philosophy were altered. Playing Socom on the PSP is NOTHING compared to the PS2 version and simply nowhere near as fun. Games like Luminies,Valkyrie Profile,Kingdom of Paradise,etc. are the way to go. Original games designede to the hardware, not watered down portable versions of console games that is the majority of the library of the PSP.

"SIG has compared year-by-year sales and estimates for the first five years of each machine's life, using sell-in and factory shipments."
Does this mean they compared sell-in in one case (DS) with factory shipments (PSP)? I mean, Media Create reports less than 2,5m PSP sold in Japan. NDP reports a bit more than 3m units sold in USA. That would mean they sold 7,5m units in Europe. Had Sony sold that amount, wouldn't you agree they would really advertise it, especially after Nintendo announced they sold 3,5m units there?

Anyways, I am buying a PSP when 1. Breath of Fire III is released and 2. it lowers the price.

#47
Sony has only sold about 2.3m units in Europe, ds around 3.5m.

#38
Not all of those titles will be released this year, Final Fantasy 3 probably won't be out til Q4 in Japan(07 in US?), but there's still plenty of franchises coming out, add Metroid Prime: Hunters and the 3 Brain Training games to your list.

Why does everyone compare the PSP's shipped numbers to the DS's sold numbers?