
Gamers generally loath integrated graphics: integrated chips share RAM with the system, making for a slower computer and a bad GPU (system RAM is much slower than dedicated VRAM). This is the first machine Apple has released without a dedicated graphics card. Previously the Mac mini featured a Radeon 9200 with
While the Mac mini was never designed to be a gaming machine, it was intended to draw PC owners into buying a second, cheap BYODKM (bring your own display, keyboard and mouse) Macintosh. By including crippled graphics hardware (possibly as part of a price-reduced deal with Intel) Apple has ignored a potential market of casual PC gamers that would have picked up a Mac mini had it included a capable graphics chipset. With ATI and NVIDIA offering an array of outstanding Mobile chipsets (that fit into the Mac mini's low-power/small-size design ethos) we see little reason for this step backwards.




















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if you want to game, stay on powerpc: buy an XBOX 360!
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1. Macs aren't exactly a viable gaming platform unless you're happy with World of Warcraft and ports of old PC games.
2. I'm willing to bet that the average user of a budget machine wouldn't know or care that they had an integrated graphics chipset. People who do know the difference probably aren’t going to buy something like a Mac Mini anyway.
I’m typing this on my PowerBook by the way.
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I've been wanting to replace my crappy IBM (it breaks more than the cheesy no frills computers my mom used to get) and I really wanted to replace it with a mac. The only thing holding me back is that my wife and I use our computer for high performance gaming as much as anything else. Once we can really get Unreal Tournament 04, Dawn of War, and Sims2 to work the way they're supposed to, we're there.
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shame they have hiked the mini price so much..
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Also, the GMA950 is geared towards HTPC use with on-chip MPEG decoding and HD resolutions standard.
And besides, who games on a Mac?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_mini
There was a "secret upgrade" that boosted it to 64MB VRAM on later models.
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80 megs is the memory footprint of OSX.
So if you have a mini with 512megs of ram, you are already down to 368 without running any apps.
I'd go for the gig, it's almost a requirement now for this.
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I think part of the problem lies in all of these "what would steve do" and "photoshop your next apple" ideas. All these photoshop people with little or no engineering understanding are building these pictures of great ideas that are not feasable to build. So when the real products come out... real as in you can actually buy them... people are actually dissapointed.
Engadget had the Apple bug, now like every other materialistic spoiled unappriciative kid... they are bored and want somthing new.
Get over it, Macs are not for gaming... get an Xbox.
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Even with integrated memory, I think the mac mini's GPU can still keep up considering the fast FSB and RAM speed.
I'm guessing it runs on a PCI Express bus, too.
An ATI Xpress 200 would have been a better integrated graphics choice.
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I'd also point out that the last graphics card I bought for my PC cost almost as much as a Mac Mini. If they'd put some weak graphics card in there, you'd be bitching about that, too. Guess what? You're not going to fit a $500 graphics card in a $600 computer!! And you're not going to be upgrading a Mini...so just get over yourselves... there are machines out there that just aren't intended to be gaming rigs. Nothing at all wrong with that.
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"ew... someone got mac all over my gaming blog."
HAHAHA!!! That was hilarious! ^5
...and yea why is this on a GAMING blog anyways? This something that is better fit for Engadget instead.
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http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42080&d=1141157849
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No.
Because you guys (Weblogs, Inc.) seems to be so obsessed with Apple that everything that they do or do not do (in this case) needs to be reported.
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No sh*t.
It's a Mac. It's their lowest end Mac. NO ONE is using this thing for graphics editing or gaming.
What a stupid thread.
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The Mac mini is an excellent machine. we all have flat-panel TV's in our bedrooms, with VGA and DVI inputs it costs little to have a fully functional machine in every room. Add bluetooth and wifi and BAM. The house network massively expands with Apples Bonjour service. Sharing images and video without any configuration at all is something the PC can only dream of.
Fantastic machine. Posted in the wrong place.
Plus as mentioned just above; its the lowest end mac. This is no quad G5, the single fastest computer I've used for production work to date.
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I seriously hope you are being sarcastic...
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I think it's ridiculous for a company like Apple to release a $599/799 computer (without a Display, Keyboard or Mouse) that has a GPU without vertex shader support, especially when there are so many brilliant mobile chips out there. The low end of the line is where the majority of users lie, so for the lowest end Mac to feature an integrated graphics chip is a kick in the balls to Mac game porters/publishers.
I just hope that this isn't a continuing trend at Apple.
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I seriously hope you are being sarcastic..."
oh sorry, after re-reading that it sounds like everyone. No, I mean in our house. My 13 year old sister got a smart 32" widescreen LCD TV for Christmas, few days later she saw a Mac Mini in Selfridges and just bought it there and then. Its just so small and goes with her room style so well. My brother picked one up too.
When I get my own place I'm going to get myself a little Mac Mini for the bedroom or living room (or both at that price) and PowerMac for the study. Until then I'm stuck with a PowerBook.
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Conrad you're totally missing the point, even with a vid card that mac mini isn't going to play any games.
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My point is, Apple aren't going to win many new converts with this machine, especially amongst the "half-way switched" crowd. Maybe for students, or old people buying their first machine. Me? - I'm waiting for an intel MacTower. I dislike the cut-down mini (not good enough), and the all-in-one iMac (hate it for the same reason I hate all-in-one stereo systems). No sale here yet, Steve.
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Now, onto video game performance:
Here are some benches of the Intel chip vs a GeForce 6200 showing that the Intel chip can barely handle UT2004.
http://www.extremetech.com/image_popup/0,1694,s=1017&iid=106130,00.asp
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I own a PPC Mac Mini, and Quake3 is barely playable at 640x480, let alone UT2004. If you bought the Mini to use as a gaming box, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
BTW, I'm not disappointed, because it runs Q2 just fine at 1280x1024. ;)
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I am not a gamer
but imo apple cripped the intel mac with new graphics setup
base price costs $100 more,their is less actual System ram slower video
apple takes 1 step foward and 2 steps back with intel mini
its going the way of the cube
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