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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 10:22AM s1ckn1c said

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Although IW makes great single player games, I can't help but feel ignored by infinity ward. If they can't stick by and support their own product after it's released, then why should we as gamers buy their sequels? I'm STILL waiting for that damn COD2 update for the 360, and how long did the PC gamers have to wait for their patch? It looks like they were too busy planning their next money maker to care about the fans and gamers whom already supported them.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 10:35AM (Unverified) said

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Aside from the issues I have with the use of the words "Reliable Source" when it comes to things like this, is it just me, or is this not a bit like another EA owned FPS franchise that made the jump from WWII to Modern Warfare? Just a small observation, seeing as how the Battlefield series also did Vietnam, but it's still valid.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 10:37AM (Unverified) said

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I'm playing and enjoying Call of Duty 2 on the 360, but I must confess that I'm getting very tired of this style of game. I also feel just a little smarmy for playing what amounts to "Saving Private Ryan: The Video Game." It's like I should be weeping buckets every time I lay on the machine gun and mow down a legion of Germans. I mean the atmosphere is just like the movie. It kind of takes the joy out of killing my fellow man. Kind of.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 10:44AM Nigeria said

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It would be intresting to play a game from Arab terrorist perspective or even Nazi German point of view. How might that change how the enemy is portrayed.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 10:46AM iomatic said

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Great. Reinforcing yet again the war on an emotion, sanctified by a evil Christian puppet government against an evil Muslim one. And vaguely equating terror with xenophobia to perpetuate hate throughout the world. Go USA.

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I'll stick with killing Nazis.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 11:08AM (Unverified) said

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How many ways can you kill the Germans? How many times can we invade Normandy? Isn't the WWII theme being a bit overused?

And modern warfare? That term is so vague it makes that psychic I call every Saturday night seem like the most reliable source of information I can get. They might as well make a "Jarhead" game where you play football in the desert and clean up the crap buckets and you see enemies, but you can't fire your gun. That would be great. Maybe the game will feature us roaming through caves in Pakistan, trying to find Osama. Maybe they could throw in some RPG elements and monsters, too.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 11:13AM (Unverified) said

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The premise could be a Family Circle Cartoon about mohammed. He could be chatting with the little girl about how her kitten won't play fetch or something. It would be cute and playful.

THEN PEOPLE WOULD DIE!!!!
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 11:25AM (Unverified) said

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why the hell does the rev get excluded? its going to own all FPS!!! im gonna laugh when people flock to the rev to play these games because of the much better control schematics and when these games dont sell nearly as well as they used to on the other systems. just watch.

metroid prime 3 will showcase the FPS capabilities on the revolution.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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Seems like everybody is jumping on the "terrorist" wagon... like they did with "communist" in the 1950's :)
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 11:51AM (Unverified) said

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thanks for the laugh, ck!

yeah, this usa v arab terrorists "modern" warfare thing is getting a little old. i guess i can see how this would help spread more xenophobia towards middle eastern people(maybe a little?), but hey that's the current trend and most people here sure do love it!
how about generic terrorists like those from counter-strike?
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 12:01PM (Unverified) said

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here we go. two more third party AAA titles that aren't coming to the revolution. The list continues to grow.

I know there will be a swift response about how "nintendo fans don't care about first person shooters like COD because they are unoriginal" but these are the kinds of games that help sell consoles to the masses. You can't get by without them.

I just keep asking...if that revolution controller really is so innovative and revolutionary...then why again is a game like COD that would work so well with the controller...not coming to Revolution? Also on the list...RE5, Splinter Cell, Sonic the Hedgehog...I see a pattern. So far it looks like the Revolution is getting rejected even more so than the gamecube. I hate to see this happen, but I can't stand the idea of buying a revolution just to play a few exclusive titles like I did with gamecube. If it weren't for the RE series I never would have bought one.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 12:07PM (Unverified) said

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I have trouble believing this whole "reliable source" thing. However, I will definently be getting both titles if this rings true (e3?).
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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me - Unfortunately, third party games have not sold very well on Nintendo home consoles. I can't see why that would change for the Revolution, Nintendo just doesn't attract developers like they used to since publishers put games on systems where the money is.

Last year:
PS2 - 45%
Xbox - 19%
360 - 0%
Gamecube - 9%
PC - 17%
GBA/DS -8%
PSP - 2%

This year (so far):
PS2 - 39%
Xbox - 15%
360 - 10%
Gamecube - 7%
PC - 13%
GBA/DS - 7%
PSP - 9%
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 12:27PM (Unverified) said

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Wow! EA decides to add variety to its tired WW2 franchise by changing the enemy to...(drumroll please)
midlle eastern terrorists, A backdrop even more tired and used up than WW2 !
Come on, if you are so desperate to churn out generic
FPS after generic FPS , at least try to change to a war thats not been used a million times before!
It,s not like its few wars to choose from!
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 12:55PM (Unverified) said

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mandark,

Do you suggest COD:Civil War? Or COD: American Revolution....

There would be no FPS aspects to these games...The tactics would be: Line up (like honorable gentlemen of war), shoot, get shot, if not shot--then move back and reload, move up again, aim and shoot...repeat.

Would you suggest COD WWI??

Tactics: Dig...hide...avoid death from above...don't poke your head outa the trench otherwise it gets shot off...Follow commanders' orders to get out of trench...run at other side, get mowed down--if not mowed down, run back and continue to hide...defend trench as necessary....

...yea...other wars translate into FPS really well.
Korean war you say?....who wants a FPS set in the "forgotten war"---makes for a forgotten game.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 1:45PM (Unverified) said

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That is all great, but when the hell are they going to release the patch that fixes the multiplayer bugs on the current Xbox 360 title. Does anyone know?
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 1:47PM (Unverified) said

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I'm waiting for Call of Duty: Canadian Invasion. Now THAT will be an exciting game with US tanks and aircraft versus the Canadian Mounties and their vicious four legged beasts! It will easily win GotY.

Nick
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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What about COD: Vietnam? Could be interesting.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:01PM (Unverified) said

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After years as a mapper an admin at After-Hourz.com, this franchise has shafted us for the last time. We produced a ton of custom content from maps to gametypes, server fixes, admin tools, UO vehicles and more and no one went further than Infinity Ward and Activision to drive us away enmasse. Good luck, people, you'll need it because as Mr. Collier said "...the mod community just wasn't there...". Well, it isn't...now. Visit us with Red Orchestra, by a developer who cares.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:07PM (Unverified) said

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YO NO WW2 GAMES ARE A BIT OVERUSED
BUT I THINK COD2 WAS BY FAR THE BEST WW2 GAME TO DATE
BUT IF IW IS PLANNING ON MAKING ANOTHER FPS WW2 GAME
I WOULD LOVE TO PLAY AS A NAZI
I DONT RECALL ANY GAME LETTING YOU PLAY AS THE BAD GUYS
[Some inappropriate content here. Sorry, folks!]
ANYWAY I WOULD LOVE TO BE A GERMAN SOLDIER
BLITZKRIEGIN MY WAY INTO RUSSIA OR DESIMATING POLAND AND FRANCE
I MEAN COME ON
THATS SOME FUN STUFF
BUT THE TWO COD GAMES SOUND FANTASTIC
IM READY FOR A GOOD MODERN DAY SHOOTER
I HATE BF2 FOR XBOX I HATE MERCENARIES
IM HOPING GRAW WILL BE FANTASTIC
BUT IM WANTING THIS NEW COD
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:13PM (Unverified) said

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Erm, just to clarify, mandark... Call of Duty's made by Activision, not EA. Hope that helps! =)
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:18PM (Unverified) said

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@ iomatic:

You're going to hurt yourself dude...seriously...stop looking into this so much.

As for this whole "xenophobic" stuff...it's perfectly natural to be a "little" scared about it.

Is it wrong to think that? Yea.
Is there a legit reason to think that? Yea but saying it is "arab" terrorists is bit wrong since it is more of an issue of "Islamic terrorists." However since Islam is centered around the Middle-East it is only logical that most of the Islamic terrorists are Arab.

If they do a CoD: Vietnam game and it turned out GOOD...then that would be a change since just about every Vietnam game that has come out has been complete crap...ESPECIALLY the Vietcong series.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:24PM (Unverified) said

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"Erm, just to clarify, mandark... Call of Duty's made by Activision, not EA. Hope that helps! =)"

Just to clarify...Call of Duty is made by Infinity Ward and PUBLISHED by Activision.

Medal of Honor is MADE by EA and PUBLISHED by EA.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:26PM (Unverified) said

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How come terrorists = from middle east OR muslim ???
How come nobody in the US understands not every muslim and/or middle eastern is not a terrorist / bad person ?

How come people say very horrible things about THE MOST SACRED PERSON in a religion which quarter of the world believes in ; and get away with that in this "very civilized" and open minded internet site / forum ?

As a muslim I am very offended about bad things written/spoken these days and to see it even in a gaming site, well... I think we have lost the basic qualities of being a human...
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:34PM (Unverified) said

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"Just to clarify...Call of Duty is made by Infinity Ward and PUBLISHED by Activision.

Medal of Honor is MADE by EA and PUBLISHED by EA."

Well, Jago... I thought about making that distinction between developing and publishing for the Call of Duty series, but seeing as how Activision has acquired both Infinity Ward and Treyarch (which absorbed Gray Matter Studios as well), the difference is mainly one between in-house studios and the (corporate) publishing parent. In the case of the Medal of Honor series, if we really want to be consistent, you might say that Medal of Honor Pacific Assault was developed by EALA and published by EA as a whole. Just to clarify some more... =)
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:35PM (Unverified) said

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Ok first off...the people who are "offended" about the Mohammad cartoon strip need a reality check. First off it is [flame] (same with the gods of other religions.)

Second,all these people who are "offended" about the way Mohammad was drawn seem to want their cake and eat it too b/c those SAME countries portray the Jews in a VERY negative light as well.

Third, if we were all a "civilized" world then we wouldn't really need to rely on some [flame] to tell us what to do.

Finally...

"How come terrorists = from middle east OR muslim ???
How come nobody in the US understands not every muslim and/or middle eastern is not a terrorist / bad person ?"

Not everyone beleives that...those who spew that crap out are completely ignorant...BUT...it is true that A LOT of the terrorist acts being done are by those of either Middle Eastern decent or are Islamic Extremists.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:39PM Village said

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patientx,

Yes, how come so many terrorists are from the Middle East or are Muslim?? Interesting, isn't it?

And why haven't Christians the world over rioted and protested over the poor characterizations of Jesus in recent Family Guy and South Park shows? Why is that?

huh...
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:41PM (Unverified) said

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I understand that some cultural/racial issues are involved anytime you're talking about a game with Middle Eastern terrorists, but let's avoid flame wars about religion and Islam in particular because that's not what this post is about (nor this site, for that matter). And to clarify another point, there are many Muslims residing in Asia, Africa, and the Americas as well, with a huge number living in Indonesia, one of the most populated countries in the world. Thanks for reading, and please stay on-topic!
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 2:44PM (Unverified) said

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Touch?y friend...touch?.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 3:16PM (Unverified) said

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IW and Activison lost my support the moment they neglected to include Punk Buster in their COD2 product. They are too concerned with finding the next dollar instead of supporting their current client base.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 3:17PM (Unverified) said

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I agree, there really isn't a huge place for any new COD titles, either centered on WWII or modern combat. If we want modern combat for the 360, BF2 will be the solid choice, with perhaps GRAW suiting those with simulation tendencies. Modern combat has been done, and been done to a very good level of production, and I don't see the COD title bringing anything new to the table (especially from the description). I see it being an easier shoot em up and be content with how easy it is title.
WWII is also thoroughly worn out. Granted, COD had a huge hand in the WWII game industry, but the cards were played, the game's pretty much spent.
I think the problem with the COD series right now is that games are transitioning from single player to massively multiplayer, and the style of COD is very indidividual-centered...Everyone is tired of the freelance army soldier blasting his way through lines of Germans, and would rather be a part in a largely objective based team game such as BF2 (or for those still sucking the WWII tit, let me suggest DOD). The COD style is a dying breed.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 3:21PM (Unverified) said

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Village, its because other religions [flame]. Muslims are very dedicated. So excuse us for standing up for our religion.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 3:24PM JoshMilewski said

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Aw man, BF2 clones...But whatever. I have the original CoD and I still play it online from time to time. I really don't see anything different from it and CoD2, but maybe Modern Warfare (BF2: Modern Combat for consoles, anyone?) could be better. As long as it's different from BF2, it could be good.

And it hopefully won't run like the piece of crap BF2 does on my PC, but do you think we'll be able to play as the Middle Easterners online like we can play as Germans online in the original game(s)?
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 3:38PM (Unverified) said

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It's called "hypocracy" sgt manji...NO religion is "all holy" and "perfect"...INCLUDING Islam.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 4:41PM (Unverified) said

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Screw you BF2! I'm going with IW on this one!
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 4:47PM (Unverified) said

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"And why haven't Christians the world over rioted and protested over the poor characterizations of Jesus in recent Family Guy and South Park shows? Why is that?"

Anyone remember the piss christ incident? Well christian did protest over it, the difference here is the politicial situation there and plus cartoon werent even comical just plain offensive, where folks in the mid-east and muslims in general are in the light. And one more thing, Mohammed has already been in southpark actually and there was a French cartoon of Mohammed as well, but none of did nothing these cartoon were just offensive and were nothing funny as south park.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 5:07PM (Unverified) said

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I join some of the previous posters in saying that Infinity Ward can go fsck itself until it releases a patch for the busted-ass-uselessness of COD2.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 5:31PM (Unverified) said

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Who cares COD is dead.
The way the PC users have been treated by ACT and IW is nothing short of criminal.
COD2 was a rushed un-finshed pile is poop, it should have stayed on the (thankyou Microsoft we love you kiss kiss kiss X-box360) where it belongs.

Many PC users have given up on COD2 and most will never purchase an IW game again.

Fool me once shame on me, Fool me twice-bugger off.

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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 5:36PM (Unverified) said

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I don't mean to go off topic with this, but I felt I should say something.

By rioting, burning buildings, and killing people, all the participating muslim community is doing is turning that cartoon into truth. The cartoon portrayed the prophet mohammed with a bomb as a turbin on his head, symbolizing that the muslim community supports destruction, and violence. What do they do in response to this cartoon? Instead of staging a peaceful protest, or peacefully asking the paper to remove it to send a different, more positive message for there religion...they riot, kill people, and burn buildings??? All this essentially, makes the cartoon look true. I understand that muslims are very dedicated to there religion, and if that is the case, then why did they not stop and think to make a positive statement? Rather than just storm the streets and burn buildings to the ground?

From what I have obtained from speaking with my Islamic friends, here in the states...for every muslim that is over in europe and the middle east being violent, there is another muslim that is peacefully speaking about how these people are making a bad reputation for there religion.

Christians get made fun of and insulted every day in America by the media and entertainment industry. Democrats preech all day about how muslims and gays should be treated with equal rights, but at the same time they shun the ideas and beliefs of christianity, essentially mocking them. You don't see any christians storming the streets burning down buildings. That doesn't mean they aren't "dedicated" if dedicated means killing people, and burning down buildings over a cartoon that we disagree with, then I guess they aren't. But true dedication would have been using your brain and thinking out proper action to take that wouldn't hurt the reputation of a religion that is already viewed around the world as being related with terrorism. All they did by rioting was make matters worse for themselves.

I don't mean to sound like a conservative jackass, because I'm not but this is just my opinion.

Which brings me to say. THIS IS JUST A GAME! In the same manner that the cartoon was just a cartoon. It's not like the developer's were saying...hmmm...how can we mock and make fun of the muslims? I know! We'll make a game in which they are terrorists! Hardly the case. The problem with people today is that things have gotten so out of hand that I couldn't even make a damn cookie and sell it on the street without offending someone because they worship chocolate chips and have different beliefs or values. Somebody makes a game connecting muslims with terrorism...what does that make them? All the sudden everyones saying "that's racist...your discriminating if you support that" Give me a break. Don't like it, don't fucking buy it, but don't sit there and tell me what I can and can't sell just because YOU not ME don't agree with it. Welcome to America.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 5:38PM (Unverified) said

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oh...and yea. I alreay got rid of COD2 because the online sucked and infinity ward did nothing to fix it. Once I beat the campaign I quit playing it.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 5:51PM (Unverified) said

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"By rioting, burning buildings, and killing people, all the participating muslim community is doing is turning that cartoon into truth. The cartoon portrayed the prophet mohammed with a bomb as a turbin on his head, symbolizing that the muslim community supports destruction, and violence. What do they do in response to this cartoon? Instead of staging a peaceful protest, or peacefully asking the paper to remove it to send a different, more positive message for there religion...they riot, kill people, and burn buildings??? All this essentially, makes the cartoon look true. I understand that muslims are very dedicated to there religion, and if that is the case, then why did they not stop and think to make a positive statement? Rather than just storm the streets and burn buildings to the ground?"

Well, as far as I know, peaceful protests and complaints were lodged by local Muslims when the cartoons were first released, but a rebuff of ambassadors from Muslim countries by the Danish premier got international relations off on the wrong foot after that. From there, things apparently snowballed as certain activists took their case to the Middle East. Here's one foreign source concerning the incident:

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/21-02-2006/76288-0

Regardless of whose side you fall on over this controversy, please note that this topic is really going off on an off-topic tangent. Please try to avoid hasty and inflammatory responses to it.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 7:00PM (Unverified) said

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It's not like Musilims are the only ones rioting and blowing up crap beacuse of their relgious sensiblities christians are tired from 2000 years of blood shed remeber the age of relgious wars in the 1600's we chrstians are more bloody than the muslims just not anymore and dont forget chrstians masasacred muslims in bosnia and lebanon its not like were clean either....
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 7:08PM (Unverified) said

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Iomatic is [flame]. To say the USA is evil is absurd. Last time I checked US Christian citizens were not beheading innocent people in the name of Christ.

You need to stop [flame].

There is evil in the world and as far as I am concerned and as history has demonstrated, the USA, regardless of how unpopular, has always come to the aid of those in need.

PS. If you give me the "it's all for oil" crap you really are [flame]. Canada and Mexico could supply the equivalent amount of oil that the US gets from the Middle East and are a heck of a lot more stable. No religious fanaticism, no beheadings, no suicide bombers who were brainwashed by evil Mulas.

Give us a break and go play Pong.

Rant over.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 7:30PM (Unverified) said

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You know I am totally confused about what new Call of Duty games are supposed to be coming out in the future. On other public forums on other web sites, people are talking about the next Call of Duty games that are supposed to be coming out and the latest rumors are that the games will be about the Allies armies fighting the Japanese Imperial Army in the Pacific Theater of War during World War II. The games are supposed to be about island hopping warfare in the Pacific during World War II. There are a lot of different rumors going around right now about what Call of Duty games are coming out in the future. I think different people at Infinity Ward are throwing people off on what is really coming out. I think Infinity Ward needs to do everybody a favor and issued a offical press conference to put to rest all the rumors out there right now.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2006 9:08PM (Unverified) said

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So b/c people are spreading rumors and people are dumb enough to actually believe that information warrants the company releasing a press release for somehting they aren't even ready to show off yet?

How long have you been using the internet now? You do realize that forums are NOTORIOUS for spreading wrong information right? It's like playing the old game of "telephone."
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Posted: Mar 8th 2006 12:04AM (Unverified) said

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I'm glad Call of Duty is branching out. I just don't understand what happend on the last release. No cook frags??? No sprint??? No vehicles??? No anti-cheat??? I would pay $500 for a game that played like Call of Duty UO and included code to keep all the files pure / hack free. Oh and why use PB the COD guys can do this on their own if they wanted. I could be wrong but I don't think I'm alone in wishing the game designers would care more about making a game that would last and less about making a game that would last 6 months...untill they want another $50 from me.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2006 1:22AM (Unverified) said

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There is something about the style of COD2 that I really appreciate. It is just very, very well done. I would appreciate that same style in a modern shooter. Incredibly historically accurate, with accurate in game play with just the slightest touch of arcadiness to make it enjoyable. I would love to see an under realistic modern military shooter. I hope they follow the style of COD.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2006 12:16PM (Unverified) said

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Personally, I love the CoD franchise. Yes, they pushed CoD2 out way too quickly (trailing hitboxes, anyone?), and the wait for the patch has been interminable. But the focus on solid infantry combat is what i love most about it. If you want vehicles, go play BF2. If you want a (somewhat) more realistic, up close and personal infantry experience, go with any of the CoD titles.
As far as the "WWII games are old" and "everyone is doing modern shooter" arguments, what else would you suggest? I figure their are 3 options in any semi-realistic war games (if you exclude any moronic sci-fi stuff): past, present, and future. I don't want to be FPSing as a knight, and i don't want lasers and hovercrafts. Eric made a good point about other, recent wars being difficult to translate into exciting and fun games. I for one am not interested in playing "Grenada; The Biggest Little War That Was". If anyone has any suggestions on another realistic, fun war setting for an FPS in the vein of CoD, i am all ears.
Finally, the whole "why's it gotta be terrorists?" thing. At the moment, Terrorists are currently our only legitimate, shooting war enemy. They are socially acceptable as an enemy as all of the Western world has been impacted by terrorism in some way. Any other enemy would either be a joke (US v Luxemburg, battle royale!) or inappropriate politically/socially. How many people would be outraged at a game featuring the US invading Canada, or something similair? Granted, not all terrorists are Muslim/Arabic/etc, and not all Muslims/Arabs are terrorists. But the recent experience of the world makes Middle Eastern terrorists identifiable and more than acceptable as enemies.
All in all I will be anxiously awaiting the release of any CoD sequel. As long as IW takes its time and makes these ones right (still waiting on that damn patch), they have GREAT potential.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2006 1:20PM (Unverified) said

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Why doesn't IW just fix the damn games it has out now.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2006 3:44PM (Unverified) said

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Any word on a release date?

Wonder if modern warfare will be able to give BF2 a run for its money. Or BF3 maybe by that time.
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