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"#12, You are pretty confident there. I would say look at the DS and the PSP before you make a blanket statement like that."

Yes, the DS is beating up the PSP, but that's another story. Both are way different, and the DS is much cheaper. The 360 on the other hand, will have games priced equally, and don't come here with "maybe PS3 will have more expensive games", that would be hypocritical because you talked about how some people take rumors as gospel.

"Besides Microsoft has said that they are going after a different variety of game developers this time around, they have been working hard to get games that Japanese games are really into also, I would expect to see all of the RPGs, and other games come out for the 360 that appeal to a wide variety of customers."

Nobody was talking about what may come later. Yes, the 360 is going to get great games in the future, but there's no reason to rush out now and get a 360 if the best games on it are Halo 2 and Geometry Wars.

"And the comment about current gen games are better than anything on the 360 just proves you are just some brand name following zombie."

LOL, you seriously believe the 360 has anything against FFXII (no seriously, just because Oblivion is the first American RPG on 360 it doesn't mean it will live up to the hype), or against Kingdom Hearts 2, or against Twilight Princess? Pfff.... you must be a graphics following zombie at best, and a 360 fanboy at worst. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think you're the earlier.

"Lolzorztomynegativestars, Really please tell me where you have come up with this determination since most of the gaming houses are saying that the hardware is virtually the same, and that most people will not be able to tell the differences in the consoles. So please tell everyone how you are qualified to make this enlighting comment?"

I never said the PS3 is 10 times better graphically, I said it is a better piece of tech. I don't know why is it so hard to understand for some people. It doesn't matter how many people can take advantage of it or not, it will be a bargain for 500 (if it indeed costs 500), and it has a lot of things a 360 doesn't have. You may say "I want a games console, not a media device", but that doesn't make false the fact that the PS3 has overall better tech than 360. And if it doesn't matter to you or most people, then why even try to object? Some people are just hilarious. Get over this fact, it's not like, as you said, it will matter to John Doe.

I hate to say it but it is kind of funny seeing the Sony fanboys scramble. I seriously doubt it has much to do with blu-ray. The consoles are probably overheating, and Sony is finally realizing that the PS3 isn't more powerful than the 360. Sorry fellas, I'm not trying to be mean, but after all of the crap you've thrown at 360 fans, you just deserve it.

"...much less the vibratory sticks"

I don't know what I was thinking. I meant force feedback.

Hmm, I find it funny that in the last generation all of the ps2 fanboys completley denounced graphics, they all said "who cares if the xbox has better looking games graphics dont matter". Now all of the sony fanboys are saying the ps3 is gonna be better cause it has better graphics?? What the hell, sony is the biggest hype machine ever, remember the "Emotion Engine" with toy story graphics and all the crap about aol on your ps2? I have no clue why people buy sonys crap still...I weep for the future generation of gamers

stupid Sony SHEEP! you guys are the worst fanboys period.

I was reading some article about the AACS copy protection a few weeks back where it stated all Blu-Ray devices would have the copy protection implemented and the fact that it was nowhere near ready.

Unfortunaly for Sony fans, due to the stringent nature of the AACS protection, unless you have a top-of-the-range HDMI compatible Hi-Def TV (and any early adopters wont....about 3 million americans) then your ps3 graphics will be running in a very dodgy sub-720p resolution and will hardly look better than revolution games.

Posted at 8:25PM on Mar 14th 2006 by Scott

What are you smoking? Games aren't going to be HDCP protected LOL. Why would they do that? So you don't spread videos of yourself playing?? ROFL.

Not only that, Sony's Blu-Ray MOVIES won't be downgraded on non HDCP TV's! That's right!

"Sony decides against downsampling on analog HDTV"
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060314-6377.html

Mandatory downsampling is NOT in the Blu-Ray spec, it's a studio by studio decision.

lolzorztomynegativestars:

I'm sorry but your arguments don't offer much proof for their claims.

You tell us that the PS3 is overall a much better piece of tech, but you fail to mention a single feature that proves this point other than the games you prefer.

You then back up your "Revo is more next-gen than the 360" comment by saying that the gyroscopic controls will only be STANDARD on the Revo and that it will be cheaper. How does this make it "more next-gen"? I can use a gyroscopic mouse on my PC and play games at higher resolutions than a Revo NOW. Does that make my PC more “next-gen”? Oh, yeah, it's more expensive... So how does the price of the PS3 factor into your argument?

The next part of your post regards game and console pricing, stating that the 360 needs to be cheaper as do the games. You expect them to cost LESS than current gen games? You also fail to recognize the fact that PS3 games will cost the same- $60. Once again, if you like the games Sony offers, great, but this does not demean the value of OTHER titles. Furthermore, the PS3 console will likely cost more than the 360, so I really don't see the logic in your argument.

You then go on to say that the next generation of consoles was "forced down our throats". How is this? New consoles come out every 5-6 years, yes? Since the Dreamcast was released in 1998 and the PS2 in 2000, I think the market was due for a next-gen system in late 2005. Furthermore, no one forced anyone. Microsoft isn't MAKING you buy their product.

The majority of your subsequent posts deal with your personal preference in games again, so I won't address them.

Finally, you once again claim the PS3 is a better piece of "tech" than the 360. Again you substantiate your claim with no facts to back it up. The PS3 is rumored to be a media hub. Is this the basis of your argument? Is this a your reason to purchase it over a 360? Maybe to a minority of people (like yourself) this is a selling point, but to the vast majority of consumers, the 360 and the PS3 are for GAMES. This website deals with GAMING, not multimedia devices. Look to engadget for that market. Therefore, for the purpose of GAMES, the PS3 is not "overall better tech" than the 360. All the bells and whistles that Sony is flaunting (if they ever come to fruition) appeal to few people (look at the PSX) due to the prices of these devices and the fact they already have stand alone devices that perform the same tasks- usually better. So if you want to argue that the PS3 has more CRAP added to it that will inflate the price and narrow it's market, then YES, you might be correct. However specs aren't final on the grey box, so who knows what features it will truly have...

I'm glad you stand up for Sony in these hard times, but I haven't bashed them (other than rebuttals to your arguments possibly) so I don't know why you felt the need to single me (and my star rating?) out...

Take care. I'll let someone else argue with you now.

Well i agree with you number 100, how playstation gamers both hardcore and casual did not care about graphics. And now playstation fans are happy that the ps3 is going to have the best graphcis, i dont even think playstation gamers can handel high graphic gaming. Ps1 could not handel the n64 or the dreamcast in graphics, but it still dominated and ps2 could not handhel gamecube and xbox in graphics but ps2 still topped both of them. I dont think casual gamers care about graphcis but i think they care more about realistic gameplay taht can do real life situations like GTA or Madden graphcis dont mean shit to the casual gamer. As for the ps3 launchign in november I still dont know if its going to be a global launch or a regional launch. What sony needs to due since there flagship device the ps3 is being delayed sony needs to try and bring the ps3 development cost down and try and hope for a 299.99 launch for the ps3 but thats very unlikely. But a 299.99 ps3 will make the ps3 run circles around the rev and 360, but a 299.99 will hurt sony pockets, Howard Stringer will be crying and average joe in the OC or gangsta nigga living in the PJS will be happy about a 299.99 ps3 just to play madden or GTA. 499.99 ps3 or even a 399.99 will allow nintendo and microsoft to dominate over the ps3 in certain regions. Casual gamers espcially here in America will be alienated by a 499.99 or a 399.99 ps3. Just think about it surfer joe in Cali gangsta thug nigga in BK are going to what a ps3, even low income families in America want a ps3 and a ps3 only a 500 dollar or a 400 dollar ps3 will upset casuals. I really wish nintendo and microsoft can draw in some casual gamers. Hopefully low budget download titles can persuade casual gamers to buy a rev or a 360 because it wont happen casual gamers dont go online to play games or download games. Well any screw casual gamers im a hardcore gamer and my support is going behind the rev and 360.

WOAH..... Some of these blogs are too long! Is anyone reading them word for word?

Sony would be crazy for not bring out the PS3 this holiday season.

First of all it's hard to take seriously poorly spelled analysis.

Second of all:

Dear Sony,
Christmas '06 in North America or else.

If this delay garbage is indeed confirmed tomorrow (tonight on the west coast)I think I might seriously consider getting a 360 and doing exactly what Microsoft wants... two Christmas seasons is rediculous, but not unheard of. I forget when the PS was released but I'm pretty sure the '96 launch of the N64 was at least two Christmas seasons removed from the Playstation and it carved a pretty healthy niche for itself if I remember. But it still lost... even though it was the better system as far as I'm concerned.

All I'm saying is Sony is not doomed but I think they just ceded a large chunk of their market share in the States and the call of Oblivion may be too strong for me to resist... but if Sony announces they've still got GTA and DMC I'm pretty sure they've still got me by the horns.

It was better when there were only two. Genesis vs. SNES forever.

"I'm sorry but your arguments don't offer much proof for their claims.

You tell us that the PS3 is overall a much better piece of tech, but you fail to mention a single feature that proves this point other than the games you prefer."

1080p display (whether you want to believe it or not), 2x HDMI, Blu-ray reader, presumably bigger (than 13 GB lol) hard drives (maybe for DVR, but most definitely for music and HD-movies), Wireless out of the Box, and 1 Gigabit internet speeds (yes, in Japan and Sweden among others there is internet that fast, for around 60 Euros), and it can read a lot more formats than the 360. Questions? I don't care if you can't take advantage of it, I just proved you how

"You then back up your "Revo is more next-gen than the 360" comment by saying that the gyroscopic controls will only be STANDARD on the Revo and that it will be cheaper. How does this make it "more next-gen"? I can use a gyroscopic mouse on my PC and play games at higher resolutions than a Revo NOW. Does that make my PC more “next-gen”? Oh, yeah, it's more expensive... So how does the price of the PS3 factor into your argument?"

I just told you how. Read above. Oh, and as I said, next-gen doesn't mean just better graphics, it means a lot of things; Xbox 360 offers, compared to its predecessor, better graphics, mainly. I suggest you chew my info before you spit yours.

"The next part of your post regards game and console pricing, stating that the 360 needs to be cheaper as do the games. You expect them to cost LESS than current gen games?"

I expect them to cost the same as PS2 and Gamecube games cost when they launched: $50 bucks. Don't worry though, PS3 will also alienate us with higher game prices.

"You also fail to recognize the fact that PS3 games will cost the same- $60."

LOL. I never said they wouldn't. You fail to comprehend.

"Once again, if you like the games Sony offers, great, but this does not demean the value of OTHER titles. Furthermore, the PS3 console will likely cost more than the 360, so I really don't see the logic in your argument."

Umm, I've been saying over and over, than the PS3 will cost at least 500 dollars. Way to read other people's arguments. Now I'm starting to get how Joystiq selectively gives stars to readers they like, as opposed to features they don't like in readers.

I never demeaned any title, I demeaned Xbox 360 for not having a wide range of genres on its "BEST GAMING LINE-UP EVER". I don't understand how Microsoft has the Chutzpah to put that Motto on every store with 360 games when there are hardly any good games, let alone games from every genre (or new genres, for that matter).

"You then go on to say that the next generation of consoles was "forced down our throats". How is this? New consoles come out every 5-6 years, yes? Since the Dreamcast was released in 1998 and the PS2 in 2000, I think the market was due for a next-gen system in late 2005. Furthermore, no one forced anyone. Microsoft isn't MAKING you buy their product."

Xbox launched 4 years before, let me remind you. So they rushed the next-gen, pretty much. They are pretty much forcing the market into advancing to next-gen costs when the current-gen isn't finished. Just look at how many great games are coming out for current-gen consoles. Xbox 1.0 still had a lot of life left.

"The majority of your subsequent posts deal with your personal preference in games again, so I won't address them."

Translation: I don't know what to say about the 360's gaming genre's disparity, so I'll selectively ignore your comments.

"Finally, you once again claim the PS3 is a better piece of "tech" than the 360. Again you substantiate your claim with no facts to back it up. The PS3 is rumored to be a media hub. Is this the basis of your argument? Is this a your reason to purchase it over a 360? Maybe to a minority of people (like yourself) this is a selling point, but to the vast majority of consumers, the 360 and the PS3 are for GAMES. This website deals with GAMING, not multimedia devices. Look to engadget for that market. Therefore, for the purpose of GAMES, the PS3 is not "overall better tech" than the 360."

LOL, stop deviating from what I was talking about. As I said over and over again, the PS3 is a better piece of tech for the reasons I mentioned above, regardless for what you want the PS3 for. I also said that most people won't be able to take advantage of it, so? That doesn't make it any less true. Way to conveniently avoid my argument.

"All the bells and whistles that Sony is flaunting (if they ever come to fruition) appeal to few people (look at the PSX) due to the prices of these devices and the fact they already have stand alone devices that perform the same tasks- usually better. So if you want to argue that the PS3 has more CRAP added to it that will inflate the price and narrow it's market, then YES, you might be correct. However specs aren't final on the grey box, so who knows what features it will truly have..."

For the time being, everything except the DVR capabilities is true.

"I'm glad you stand up for Sony in these hard times, but I haven't bashed them (other than rebuttals to your arguments possibly) so I don't know why you felt the need to single me (and my star rating?) out..."

I singled you? Uh, hello. I wasn't singling you out, I was replying to everyone here, and you decided to "answer" to my claims or complaints. Too bad you didn't fully address them. Better luck next-time.

"Take care. I'll let someone else argue with you now."

Good, I guess you'll let me know who's that someone else.

lolzorztomynegativestars you have no idea how right I think you are. I do think the PS3 is a quantum leap where a quantum leap is a small change.

I think the new chips might be great, I will have to see but upping the power does not make a system all that much better. I personally think the Genesis/SNES era works well, GBA games are still dang fun, even if the power of the system is weak relative to the other current systems.

If Sony does delay it, I think it is better for the games I would like to see some really excellent games come out for the system but I will not be first in line, I will wait for price drops because BR disc are just not a priority.

sony is taking there time to release the ps3 due to the fact that when ps2 was released the made many errors and could not humble them selves enough to their fans that they made the newer ps2's with cheaper material to cut corners. shame on sony == xbox 360 is better because it is from a company that cares about quality not quantity. they rather get less out to their fans just as long as they are workin right.

Bruce:

How right you are, quantum indeed means very small... I probably got carried away with the fact that almost everyone uses it to mean a leap that goes beyond the beyond.

I actually meant a "big leap", in the fact that it has a lot of tech that the 360 doesn't offer.