Molyneux predicted a Revolution ... in '04

Unless of course, Molyneaux just took his money and then built another studio. Not likely though. Maybe this was why Microsoft bought them. Maybe they had decided to stop making games exclusively for X-box/Windows, and Microsoft had to nip it in the bud.

Yeah, Molynuex has always talked about wanting to make a game on the Revolution. Too bad he can't now that Microsoft has bought them up, that is unless Peter bails Lionhead and starts afresh with something new.

I doubt he's going to leave MS. Being bankrolled by MS gives him a lot more opportunities and stability than being a studio on his own.
It's cool that he shared in Nintendo's vision, but nothing will probably come of it. Maybe he's officially the grandfather of the revmote.

The Prophet has spoken. The Mesiah is coming....a revolution will begin. Repent evil PS and Xbox owners and you shall play with our NintendoRev.

That was an incredible find this long after... Prophet Molynuex definitely has the Nintendo innovation thinking on his mind; not the graphics powerhouse 360 or PS3 way... Hopefully he'll be able to make a Rev game, if he was this excited then, I wonder how excited he is right now... Hmmm, come to think of it, maybe MS just bought Lionhead so he couldn't make his amazing Rev game...

There have been motion sensative "controllers" before. Anyone remember the laptap type device that had bronze grids, that would revolutionize the way we play?

Powerglove? A whole list of controllers comes to mind. The revmote is a great start, and being included in box, should help to push gaming further.

Thanks, this is why I come to Joystiq.

There is a difference between the powerglove (I believe the other device you are describing was the U-Force) and the revmote. This is being, from all accounts of what I have read thus far, the revmote is highly functional. I remember owning both the U-Force and Powerglove. The U-Force never worked, ever. The Powerglove worked great as long as you were using the pad on the side of it, and just that. Both were great ideas, but the technology just was not there yet. Now, the tech has caught up with the idea, and it should be an amazing ride. I can't wait.

This man speaketh the truth. Woe beitde all who fail to believe.

I, for one, do believe.

Molyneux has great ideas, but he tends to have a tough time implementing it. His main problem is "feature creep". For those unfamiliar with the term, feature creep is when software developers keep on adding new features to the product and it ends up becoming far more expensive to make and takes far longer than anticipated. Feature creep wouldn't be so bad if it were behind closed doors, but with Molyneux, it always ends up in public before it ends up in the game.

I remember when he promised this huge world in Fable where everything aged and changed as time went on. Instead, all that aged and changed was your character and the world ended up being a constricted set of corridors.

Molyneux has a problem shoehorning his ideas into a manageable project with a limited timeframe and limited budget. The positive aspect of this Microsoft aquisition, though, is he may be given that near unlimited budget and timeframe to play with to actually open up his creativity.

I am starting to digress. In short, it is nice to know that Molyneux might have loved to make something with the Revmote, but he is also the last person we should look to for something that actually functions. Molyneux is a great idea-man, but a terrible project manager.

What's stopping Microsoft or Sony from making a new controller for the next gen systems? Just because the standard Xbox 360 or PS3 controller is designed after the last generation of controllers doesn't mean that a new, improved controller isn't being developed at the moment that will take the same basic functions of current console games and expand on them.

Well, Evil, the problem is that add-on peripherals never sell all that well, nor do the games that come with them. There are notable exceptions like the varous dance pads, but in general, if a game requires a special peripheral to function, then it won't do so hot, nor will the peripheral get all that much notice.

A couple of major notables are the huge mech controller for Steel Battalion, the Eye Toy and the PS2 hard drive.

They could make the controller, but because it isn't a standard, out of the box item, they will unlikely ever get to a point to be viable.

Just a quick thought. If Microsoft decided to bundle a revmote style controller with Halo 3, I don't think they would have any problem reaching a high market penetration for the controller.

Remember this years from now:

Stuff changes. Some of this stuff changes for the better.

You may bow to me, the great prophet SetupWeasel.

Tony, they'd probably also get high market penetration for being sued by Nintendo for patent infringement. Believe me, you wouldn't believe some of the minor, minor things you can patent. For instance, automatic CD loaders, there is a company that patented the ability to rotate an arm around to pick and load CDs. Not any particular method of rotation, just rotation in general. Any company with an arm that rotates has to pay these guys.

So when it comes to something highly sophisticated like the Revmote, you can bet your ass they've patented it to hell and back every which way.

some thoughts...

what i find strange about the 'revmote' is that the nunchuk addon isn't wireless too, it defeats the simpleness feature of it being a pick up n play one handed remote. what if in a family father plays a conducting game say, and son an fps, each time they have to detach/ attach this thing, and somethimes they may forget it stil lattached when they reach for it...

the reach seems limited too with the cord...

maybe they could have a revmote with a cross directional pad, and one with a joystick, or just the nunchuk as is wireless.

but then developers could also use two regular revmotes instead of the nunchuck.

and then even, the nunchuck is just one of many extensions to come...

something that occured to me that might be cool is the gyroscope technology of the revmote built into a cartridge extension for the ds...

and what i really am curious about is how they will deal with the zero point, the reference point for movement with such type of controller. since if you have to make a gesture or move the controller, holding it still may be more dificult, or when you have sudden unexpected movements or whatever.

i guess we will see when it comes...

What's stopping M$ and Sony? One word: patents.

From what I've read, Nintendo did a bang up job of patenting the revmote. It would be difficult for the competition to legaly copy the device.

I think we are closer to seeing Microsoft release an alternative to the revmote than everyone believes. (this is just an idea that came to me)

Here's my idea: Microsoft is just missing one thing when it comes to a controller with motion control (like the revmote)... an input for their controller to determine where it is at in an x/y/z axis.
Enter the Xbox eye cam... take a close look at the front of your Xbox360 controller (part facing away from you). Do you see a rather nice reflective surface that is sure to be picked up by a high defination camera?

Even without that reflective surface, a high defination camera should be able to determine where (and when) the controller is being moved.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Microsoft take this route to enhance their already great controller...

You know.. there isn't anything stopping Sony or Microsoft from releasing a revolution like controller.

It's just a matter of time. and if they're lucky, they'll make it better than Nintendo. Like Dual Shock was better than Nintendo 64's analog stick.

Nintendo patented the revmote alot but nintendo wants Sony and MS to join there vision too in that style of controls. If you read all the speeches of Iwata he says he wants sony and MS to join the vision of a new way to control games. Nintendo probably patented the revmote enough so theres would be better and sony and MS would have a hard time copying there controller to its full potential. But nintendo wants them to join the vision too. Nintendo is smart they know what there doing. Thats why the first next gen system I'll get will be the rev which I think is a true next gen system that is new.

You nintendo people never cease to amuse me.

Nowhere in any of peter's speeches did he express any remote interest in making anything for nintendo, or any of it's consoles.

He formed an aliance/and later a perchase with microsoft because of the people working at microsoft, he's had the choice of working with many other software/hardware vendors, and still he chose microsoft.

Nowhere did he say anything about using a gyromouse, in fact his games are not even playable with a gyromouse.

And really, in case you didn't know, that's what the revolution controller really is, and it it works out well, expect it to be improved and used on both sony and microsoft systems to greater effect.

I think David Wong has the best insightful commentary on the subject:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/fanboy.html

@ #20

So I guess Molyneaux's numerous invterview about the subject have been wiped from history??

http://www.revo-europe.com/news.php?nid=8422

Whats he's saying about console controllers at least is correct. This is illustrated in the fact that FPS games, in which your moving around a 3D space, are rubbish on consoles, and much more suited to the PC native mouse and keyboard system. More specificly talking of the mouse.

If the new Nintendo controller is as responsive and natural as mouse-controller games, it surely will be a revolution in periphals. My only worry is that motion sensitive devices in the vein of what their controller is trying to do are utter tripe right now, and game input always ends up bearing no relevance to the gamer's actual movement with the device.

The Rev controller can easily be copied by Microsoft and Sony. What Nintendo cant do is copy all the raw processing power of its 2 competitors.

Because of this the Revolution = waste of money. Unless of course the system costs $100. Then I can consider it a novelty item.

Wow, now all the sony and microsoft fanboys don't think the revmote sucks. Isn't that amazing.

Oh, BTW when bill gates was asked if he wished he had come up with the revmote, he laughed and said no. So I don't see anything like the revmote coming to the 360.(i.e. a remote that can since 3D movement)

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This is straw grasping for nintendo fans, what do you expect peter to say?

"No, it's a fucking stupid idea", No, he won't say that.
Everyone has to play nice at these events, or they risk the chance of looking like a jerk, that is everyone but ken kutaragi, he's used to being a jerk.

This thing is a gyromouse, and they have existed for some time now, nothing new.

Just don't go dragging peter down to your level.

Enjoy your wack-a-mole, or whatever games this thing comes with.

In case anyone is interested, you can find some pretty good gyromice at the following url: http://www.gyration.com/en-US/Products.htm
Some of them are expensive, but you pretty much get what you pay for.

Yeah, I was wondering which one of those mice has a sensor that allows your computer to track the 3D movement of the mouse, you know the x,y,z axis.

Whiteguysamurai you really are retarded huh. You just can't admit that you were wrong. "Everyone has to play nice at these events" you are a moron huh. Look gringo why would he say he said he was excited about it, would love to make something for it and he says that it is better for 3-D games because it is a true
3-D controller.

Playing nice would be if he said its a good idea I not that excited for it but excited and will see how it goes for Nintendo with this controller and at least there trying something new. That would be playing nice not saying what he really said like I would love to make a game for it I am really excited about this and disses the regular controllers by saying there not meant for 3-D gaming.

Look if you can't admit that you were wrong about what you said that he didn't say anything about being excited for the rev and wanting to make a game then you are a retard. The revmote has more potential then a gyro mouse because it can sense depth and you can move it in any direction up or down, left or right, foward and backwards.

Dude you can't do that on a gyro mouse so don't talk out of your ass because you don't know anything. If you plan to post don't post anything stupid whiteguysamurai. (Also gringo means white bastard in spanish if you didn't catch that whiteguysamurai)

Nintendo's main guns have been asked if Sony and Microsft can just copy the disign of the controller and they said that they might try to jump over the patents but might not get very far. Remember that lawsuit Sony lost over the Dual Shock and Microsoft just bought stock in the company to avoid losing? That might happen with the revmote and its Nintendo owned patents.

Molyneuzx is the best game designer after Miyamoto and Will Wright but lack of $$$ is what kept him down. with microsoft money they might show if he can really do it or just that's the best we can get from him. whatever happens things like these are going to turn gaming for the better just like the DS is doing on portable consoles, started like a gimmick and turned out like a Giant leap for Gameboy.

Not only does the revmote sense movement in 3-D space, it senses the actual orientation of the revmote, i.e.
twisting, tilting,etc. Which equal more ways of interacting with the game. It amazes me that some morons can hate on a cool new way of playing. After all, why do we play video games? Interaction is a large part. The revmote will only increase the level of immersion. Give Nintendo some goddamn credit for having the balls to take such a huge risk. When is the last time Sony or M$ took such a large gamble?

Do any of you guys noticed that when People ask him questions, his mouth continues to talk and he keeps making gestures with his arms? (could also be my mac at work who sucks in video playing)

Is that his real voice?

Pete, finish off what you told us about Fable in Fable 2 first. That would round up heaps of "innovation" and "gameplay" to make Rev gamers drool.

The Revmote isn't precise. Sums it all up.
(This is a valid as calling it "functional", eh?)

"The Revmote isn't precise. Sums it all up."

Cool! Where'd you play it?! We've been begging Nintendo for months to play it... all the people I know who have said the exact opposite. You must have some really impressive connections... *swoon*

Looks like you guys deleted Whiteguysamurai's last post. You saved him alot of embarrassment.

Him:
"Gyromouse supports USB 2.0 and has upgradeable drivers hence Rev functionality can be added"

I have NEVER in my entire Joystiqing life seen any comment as daft as that. You = a fool.

Don't judge it until you play it. Lots of third party devolopers have been singing Nintendo praises so don't put down the controller until you play it.

Well, it wasn't that but the racist remarks that got his post deleted. That *is* really dumb though.