Major PS3 titles missing launch date

@ Andir:

You said:
"Not to mention the price difference is a whole $20 when you add the Hard Drive, WiFi, and Live service to the 360."

Again, this inflated pricing B.S. continues. The hard drive is included in the Premium Xbox 360, the WiFi is NOT necessary (and stupid, since it's damn near 15 pounds- Why do you need a portable 802.11 solution? Just use ethernet cable!) and the Live service is free if you don't plan to play multiplayer online games (just using it for downloads and updates), and only $50 a year for a superior online gaming experience with controls that keep the weenie 12-year-olds from ruining your game. THAT ALONE is worth the $50 a year to me.

Xbox 360 Premium: $400
PS3 Crippled Version: $500

Both play games in HD. Both play standard CDs. Both can upgrade to WiFi or use an ethernet cable. Both have free online. Both have a hard drive.

But only one has an online rating system for other players, only one has a decent weighty controller with rumble, only one will have a decent library of games come November, and only one will have the ability to play HD movies as an OPTIONAL upgrade, instead of forcing the drive technology on us and making us pay for it whether we want it or not.

In this light, there's NO INCENTIVE to get the PS3, save the desire to play Final Fantasy or MGS4 (when they finally come out). Since many people do not like those games, there's nothing making the PS3 seem worth the extra $100 for a similar console, unless the ability to play $40 Blu-Ray movies in 480p strikes your fancy.

By the time the PS3 launches, the 360 will have hundreds of games, including huge sellers like Oblivion (already one of the best), GRAW, WWE Smackdown vs. RAW 2007, all the EA games, Dead Rising, Crackdown, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Too Human, Gears of War, Enchanted Arms (which might lure those FF fanboys away), Sonic the Hedgehog and a slew of others.

Consumers will look at the huge rack of Xbox 360 games, and at the price tag, and then look at the 15 games for the PS3, and the higher price tag for even the crippled version of the console, and they'll choose based on what looks more fun RIGHT NOW.

I don't predict a lot of sales initially. I certainly won't get one at launch.

-Sony has "built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even if it didn't have games."

This right here is my only issue with sony. Sure a $600 console is a bit off in my book, but do they have to be so cocky all the time? I mean, if I were buying one, this statement doesn't exactly make me feel comfortable that there will be a good launch line-up.

"Yesterday I spent an hour trying to explain to a colleage at work the difference between the Core & Premium PS3 & I succeeded.................in confusing him even more!" You couldn't tell him the difference was hard drive size, lack of digital HD output, memory card reader and Wifi?

"Will my DVD's play on BluRay & What the hell is BluRay?" - Yes, BluRay is a blue laser driven format. The discs are scratch proof (resistant?) and it holds more information than DVD or HD-DVD. All other claims to some conspiracy are just that. Claims.

"Will my son/daughter be able to use this, it looks really complicated?" - There is really nothing complicated about a horizontal menu, that has one layer of branching. See the UI demo movie if your worried. Advanced features I'm sure are just that. You may never have to go into them if you don't want.

"My son/daughter wanted a games console, is this a games console?" - Yes

"Is this a mainstream console? or is it only for the enthusiast? (Neo-Geo & 3DO)" - It's the playstation. It's as mainstream as your going to get. The only thing your not going to see is Mario, Luigi, some wierd space suit clad FPS game and an ominous white box sitting amongst the stereo equipment, unless you want one of course.

"Its very expensive & there aren't many games for it - OMG HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY THE GAMES ARE!" - Game prices to be announced yet, but look at this train of thought. Entertain yourself for the same amount of time by going to the movie theater. You might play two hours a night, 3 nights a week. That's roughly $30 a person per week if you bought movie tickets, popcorn, etc. Is the game worth $30, $50, $60 to you? The console it self is another price fiasco. If you go buy yourself a 360 with hard drive, WiFi adapter to get online, and the Live Gold membership so your kids can play with their friends online, your saving $20 with the XBox360. Not sure about the Wii pricing yet.

"The question for me is will the Playstation brand survive Sony's rape of it?" - Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's always been the Sony Playstation...

I don't think Sony's in all that a stable position anymore with market mindshare...

As soon as the launch price weeds down to the masses, and employees of game stores (who protested to me that the launch price would be $8-900 dollars, whatever...) there will be those who have and those who have not. This will fall down on Japan too. Lots of people don't realize that Japan's just coming out of a decade long recession and extravagances don't just march out of stores like they did there in the gadget frenzy of the 80's.

Japan was VERY slow to adopt DVD's, even SLOWER to adopt the PC/Mac. Now, if you think the average Japanese consumer is looking to go to the Blu-Ray format, great. But realize that Japan's HD saturation is about the same or less than the US. What does that mean? That means the same to them as it does to us. Unless you're already HD, and you've got the cash to drop for the PS3 as a video player, it's going to be a hard sell to the gamer crowd. There are not going to be masses swelling for the PS3 initially. There just won't be.

The PS3 is definitely going to have a rough first year. That first shipment due for "fanboys" and enthusiasts is going to be probably 80% of the console sales they're going to have until the price drops at LEAST $100. There's going to be very few parents who can look at a $400 console, a $200 console, and then a $600 console and think twice about the economics of the situation. They're not getting the system for them, it's for their kids.

Anyone here with kids who has a salary under $50,000? When was the last time you dropped $650-700 on your kids for one thing? One thing? That wasn't a PC?

I've seen other forums, ones where kids are scrounging for ideas to purchase a DS lite or PSP. Those kids are going to be able to get a PS3 on their own? Probably not anytime soon. Sony's locked themselves in here and Sony can only hope that they have the cash to ride out this bad press, price gouging, and confusion of hardware options. MS and Nintendo sure can.

@Zero Corpse

I look at what the X360's got out right now, and it looks to me like the same boring lineup that MS had with the original Xbox. I know they're facing a battle for mindshare this time around, but they're not going to win me over with ports or updates of the same 'ol stuff they had 3 years ago.

There are gamers out there that wouldn't touch an EA title to save their lives (me...) and there are some who don't like playing against chatty 12 year olds who like using curse words as nouns/pronouns/adverbs/verbs/conjunctive phrases/etc. I had an original Xbox and kept it for 12 months. After I beat Halo, where the best thing about it was the fight with the flood, IMO, it pretty much sat there for the next 10 months. I did try to play some other games, but there wasn't any one compelling gaming experience on there for me. KOTOR wasn't the game I was looking for (no pun intended), and racers get old after awhile so Forza and PGR were stale to me.

If fun is gauged by how many retreads and re-releases you can put out in your first year then X360 wins hands down. I already bought Burnout Revenge/Gun/Madden/King Kong once, why should I buy it again?

We have to wait till nearly 2nd gen games come out for the console to finally get something worthwhile on the x360 (oblivion) and even then, it's an RPG. I love RPGs, don't get me wrong, but that's a really limiting game if you're going for mass appeal for your console and your best title is an RPG. Oh, and a Tom Clancy game.

When some of the E3 titles start to ship, then the potentially good content starts to arrive on the X360, and we'll see where we are by then.

all i need is sonic next gen. and i will right on the wagon for ps3 at launch. if sonic doesnt make it then i will go with Resistance: Fall of Man from the makers of one of my favorite games in a few years ''ratchet and clank'' so freaking fun. just adding a little bit for the psp game.
im probably going to sell my ps2 once i get my ps3 and i will continue to play all my holiday ps2 games on the ps3.

all i need is Resistance: Fall of Man and im right there at launch for ps3.

shaka.

"With something crazy like 100 million PS2s out there, backwards compatibility isn't going to sell any PS3s. Why would I spend $600 to buy a new system to play games I could play on a system I already own?"

Slightly improved graphics? I don't know, but it's a good marketting technique, atleast I think so. Maybe a bundle like "Buy the latest itteration in the Final Fantasy series and a Playstation 3, and get $50 off!"

... Yeah? :)

From what I have seen and heard the PS3 is going to win. All non-hardcore gamers that I know say they want the PS3, and all the hardcore ones may complain about the PS3 are still gonna buy one. To Those who feel the PS3 is forcing BluRay down there throat sometimes new technologies have to be forced or we would never progress. Did the PS1 force CDs down your throat when you wanted to keep cartridges, what about the PS2 with DVDs? Implementing new technologies into ones we already want is the only way people are going to adopt them. I fail to see what the 360 brings to this next generation besides shinier graphics. Atleast the PS3 is adding a new medium with more room and shinier graphics. The only person I know that plays their 360 daily plays Halo 2 on it. Finally to those who say $500 or $600 is too expensive for a game console, most of the people I know, many of whom only work summer jobs, plan to get one. I plan to get all 3 consoles.

Lots of people that say they are going to buy the PS3 haven't even read anything about it. They think it is better then the 360 in graphics but it isn't. They have this huge imagined idea of what it is but they don't know anything about the reality of it.

A new medium? For what reason? Games won't be improved on it. Name a game that takes more then two dvds. Hell they could put all localizations on games right now. Reason they don't is trade laws and because it takes months to do so and they aren't even sure those localizations will come about. Sorry blu-ray isn't going to cause gaming companies to put all languages on a release it's still going to be regional with different companies handling the localization.

As for load times guess what the PS3 has them and to allevate that by 50% it puts the game on your hard drive. So your hard drive gets filled by one game or three causing it to delete the data. This puts lots of wear and tear on the hard drive.

Games well they aren't any better on the PS3. Lack of rumble and other issues with the PS3 hardware are causing a lot of grumbling among game developers. Numerous former playstation 3 exclusives are now multiplatform. Heck several developers have hinted that any PS3 game can be put on the Wii without any graphic downgrades.

The cell processer a complete joke. It's not any more powerfull then what the 360 has. Multi cores for a console is a complete joke. HD takes all that extra processing power to render something 99% of people cannot even tell the difference in.

A game written for a multicore console isn't any better then the version written for a single core. Multicore processors at least work in pcs due to all the background tasks. So your screensaver, virus protect, firewall, and any other tasks don't slow down your pc as much.

I see a mass defection of developers from the PS3. 600 isn't the cost of a PS3. It's over 2 grand since Sony wants you to buy a HDTV. Games that are 75 or 90 dollars filled with ads aren't going to be popular either when people see these games aren't better then the xbox games or wii games that cost half.

Blu-ray is not a natural evolution of gaming console tech. Odds are both blu-ray and hdvd will die out. VHS lasted for two decades.

Lots of people are unhappy being asked to rebuy their dvd collection.

Sony fanboys are empathised in this little video in this link. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6405445518216376043&q=ds

Although a spoof it does contain several statements uttered by many psp fanboys. Even though those statements are based on complete BS sony fanboys believe them.

Warhawk
Resistance: Fall of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Tekken 6
FIFA 07
Madden 07
NBA: Live 07
Tiger Woods 07
Fight Night: Round 3
Fatal Inertia
Bladestorm: The Hundred Years War
Sonic The Hedgehog
Full Auto 2
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Rainbow Six: Vegas
Alone in the Dark
Call of Duty 3
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
NHL 2K
John Woo's Stranglehold

Thats a pretty good looking list considering 360 had Gun and Tony Hawk which were just 360-playable Xbox games you paid extra for (in terms of next-gen quality). Oblivion was delayed for months and DOA4 took till new years. All the EA games were lacking essential things that were in the current-gen versions. I can only hope Wii and PS3 launch games will be better than that and nothing big gets delayed like Oblivion did.

@idioteraser: Is that you? The information he brings up is about the same as what your doing. Let me rephrase your comment in the same manner as the video you posted:
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Hi, I don't know if you know this, but the PS3 is ...probably the worst sytem you can pick up.

There's nothing really good about it. It has a larger optical drive. What would you need that for? It's a horrible idea. It just uses more power. Everything I play only uses 4G. I'd never need more than that. Look it up.

It's pretty much the same system. I mean, it's still named the Playstation. The other systems change the name of the console.

PS3 doesn't have rumble, rumble is the future man! Look it up.

What in the world would you need more room for. the games I play right now use up 4G. You'll never need more than that! Check Google...look it up if you don't believe me.

PS3 is crap. The PS3 will eat up your battery life. Even though you don't put batteries in the PS3.

Storing the games on the hard drive will cause too much wear and tear on your drive. What's this term people keep using, Gigabytes. Don't listen to that. Giga-something. They keep using these techical terms to confuse you.

I've never seen a Cell based game, but it's a gimmick. Sony is a Japanese company and yeah... You'd never use one of the seven cores to process AI, added units on the screen or any of that crap. Look it up. Can't do that on the PS3.

If you buy a PS3, you have to buy an HD TV. You can't use the PS3 without it. I mean, your regular TV won't benefit at all form the better signal. What would you need all that screen for? It doesn't make any sense folks.

Listen Folks. Why would you need 2 disks. One disk is enough. Nobody wants a touchscreen..I mean bluray drive. Look it up.

I have played my Nintendo while it was hooked up to my TV. Try that with the PS3. You can't do it folks.

The Wii has a remote control looking controller. The PS3 on the other hand..still uses that old looking controller. I mean, that thing is like 17 years old. the PS3 isn't innovative. They pretty much just stole everything from everyone else. I mean, movement sensing? I saw that years ago. The Wii is going to be fun. The PS3 isn't going to be fun. The 360 is better folks. Look it up.

Although this comment spoof contains several statements uttered by many anti-ps3 fanboys. Even though those statements are based on complete BS fanboys believe them."

Thanks for the video. It helped me determine just the type of person you are.

If the PS3's launch lineup isn't solid, I think they'll find it very difficult to move many $600/£425 consoles.

I mean, even if the Wii doesn't have a great lineup, if it's as low as $250 at launch it'll be a worthwhile investment because there'll be stuff coming along later. If the $600 PS3 doesn't have anything decent at launch, why bother buying one then and there, when you can wait for it to drop to an affordable price by the time anything worth buying comes out?

That's pretty much what has kept me away from the XBox 360 so far; it's just too expensive for the games that are available. PS3 will have an even bigger price for the software to overcome.

(I'm becoming less and less convinced by the "people will buy it for the Blu-Ray" suggestions.)

This video cracked me up, its hilarious, watch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4&search=sony%20e3

Idioteraser
If that what you want to believe to make yourself feel better about your 360 purchase, then be it. But all that crap you are saying just makes you sound really dumb and if you believe it then you are that dumb.

I'm buying a PS3 and I know the facts.
These are the facts just outlined for a mentally challenged person such as yourself can understand.

1. The PS3 is going to have superior graphics than the 360
2. You don,t need a HDTV to play the PS3.
3.Games in HD take up more space, DVD is already at its limits. Bluray is need it.
4. The cell processor is much more powerful than the 360 and yes multicore designs are better suited for gaming.
5. You don,t know the prices for the games and MS bought a company for 600 million for in game advertising
6.Games developers need to make money, the PS3 isgoing to sell nobody is leaving
7. Your iq is 72.

I hear of lot of people talking about God of War 2 as a good launch title for the PS3 and justification for buying a PS3.

I didn't go thru all of these posts, so forgive me if somebody already said it, but that is a PS2 game.

LMAO

Pedro,

I think your getting a little ahead of yourself there:

"1. The PS3 is going to have superior graphics than the 360"

Actually that is not a fact and you are mearly buying into hype if you believe that just becuase they say its true. In fact if you actually read about the parts inside, youd realize that the 360's graphics capablities outperform the PS3's while the PS3 has more max performance on the cpu side of things then the 360. Meaning real performance will be a wash for most of the lifespan of the consoles if not the entire lifespan of them. It will come down to developers giving us compelling games for either console.

"2. You don,t need a HDTV to play the PS3."
Same goes for the 360, not sure what your point was on this one.

"3.Games in HD take up more space, DVD is already at its limits. Bluray is need it."
This again is debatable and it is possible that will come true, but you dont really know how much the majority of devs are held back by dvd's size. If this is ture, I dont think we will feel it until the latter half of this generation. But would it really kill you to get up and change a dvd if you had to say use 2 DVD for a game? Have you ever played a PC game? I for one will play a good game wether its 1 disc or more.


"4. The cell processor is much more powerful than the 360 and yes multicore designs are better suited for gaming. "

I dont knwo how you define 'much more powerful' , but the theoretical performance difference between cpus is about %50 in favor of the PS3. Mind you thats only the cpus and that performance rating doesnt equal games with better graphics. Either way, your trying to base an argument on theoretical performance, nothing proven. As far as multicore designs, the 360 cpu is also a multicore design, so it will enjoy all of those benefits, of course just in a different way.


"5. You don,t know the prices for the games and MS bought a company for 600 million for in game advertising"

Who cares if MS bought that Ad company. Does it really make you so mad that youd give it as a reson for not getting a 360? If thats your conviction, then thats fine, but then you have to accept the similar actions Sony has taken that others may not agree with.


"6.Games developers need to make money, the PS3 isgoing to sell nobody is leaving"

I agree with you here. No one that is exclusive to the PS2 now will suddenly jump ship and be exclusive for the 360, but I think you will see more of these exclusive developers considering going multi platform. Its simply a matter of economics, seeing the numbers of games they could sell by having it on other consoles that are popular. Like you said, developers need to make money.


I think that the PS3 will do fine, but they do not have an assured domination of the market this time around. It will sell out at luanch because of the low shipping volume and then it will slowly pick up speed once supply is there and AAA titles make it. I see a similar pattern to what the 360 suffered through last year. I will be getting a PS3 when the games are there and hopefully a price drop. The games Im interested in wont be out till late next year anyway. Plus, Im releaved that there will be many games for the 360 that could be AAA titles coming as well, so Im satisified with that purchase.

Uh, Hey Pedro.

1. No, it won't.
2. If you don't have an HDTV, why are you spending money on an HD gaming console and extra for an HD movie player that only benefits HDTVs? Buy a PS2 or Xbox if you don't have HDTV.
3. DVD is not at it's limits. And if it was, ooh no, heaven forbid I have two discs!
4. Actually, the Cell processor has shown to have horrible yields, whereas most processor clock in over their speeds, the Cell is shown to be slower. And the 360 has multicore processor design too, but it has a streamlined architecture for graphics output, the PS3 does not.
5. Blu Ray movies and games will be at least $5 more than the $60 MS pricetag. I would expect them to be $69.99 price points.
6. True
7. Idioteraser's IQ of 72 is a lot higher than yours.

M4
The PS3 games are not finished and they look better than the 360 with a year headstart and much better than the 360 launch games. I do have an HDTv. Go with the 2 disc for 200.00 more I'll have wifi and next gen player with only one disc needed.What do you know about yields you work for IBM. By the way IBM said they had the very good yields from the cell.What do you know about prices you work for sony. And by the way my IQ is 137. You're just an MS bitch

tropper11
Just answering some other guy's post and you're wrong.

great comeback pedro, i guess i was expecting too much out of you.