Paper Mario says, 'OMG the GameCube isn't dead yet!'

I know that I sold my cube a few months ago simply because I wasan't playing it, just like my PS2. Not a single game interested me. The last game I played on the ole lunchbox was Metroid Prime 2, and I loved it. Heck, I loved every game I played on the cube, but that fact that there were no new ones coming out that interested me influenced my decision to sell it.

In my opinion (from the mind of someone that only owns an Xbox 360 now) the gamecube and Xbox were about even. Xbox had and still has its fans, the gamecube the same. Everyone knows the PS2 smoked everyone, and to be honest I wouldn't be able to tell you why. The only games I really enjoyed on mine were the Metal Gear games. At least Nintendo has quite a few GOOD first party titles that they put out fairly often.

Anyways, on-topic here, this game makes me want to buy another gamecube.

Oh someone is moody today :-P

the clear standings for consoles were
1-xbox
2-PS2
3-gamecube
The PS2 got smoked by the xbox and its godly HALO.

51: wait for the wii.

i'm still tooling around on the ol gamecube (personal favorite console to share the experience with other humans), and i just bought a ps2 (everybody knows this is the market leader in profit and mindshare), but the real winner of the last gen has to be the gba. it had easily 100 must own awesome games for it, if you include the famicom classics. easily. the xbox was an interesting experiment, and i think the 360 is gonna be a good product of said experiment. but the ds is gonna surpass the gba, which is REALLY exciting for me.

The Gamecube absolutely got smoked this round, and it cracks me up to see the Nintendo-biased interent fanboys get so riled up over a throwaway comment like that. Happens every time.

Nintendo made the profit? Well, yeah - but that margin is heavily enhanced by the sales of the DS. Take that out of the picture and the Gamecube isn't nearly as impressive.

There's no excuse for Nintendo dropping the ball like they have. YES the XBox didn't make a profit...so what? You have to spend money to make money, and the 360 will likely be turning a profit in '07 because of the brand they established between the original XBox and the 360. Nintendo was the tyrannical king of the industry (and if you think they weren't tyrannical when they were #1, you aren't familiar with the industry's history), yet Microsoft beats them out on their first try in a completely foreign market to them...and yet Nintendo is the underdog and the sentimental favorite. Go figure.

Some of you guys are funny. If you look at the GC library you can get Call of Duty, Madden, Need for Speed, Medal of Honor, Tony Hawk, Rainbox Six, Splinter Cell, Naruto, FiFA, Prince of Persia, Gun and a hell of a lot of other 3rd party games.

So how is it many of you guys are saying that Gamecube didn't have 3rd party support?

Also, just because a group of people that you know may own more xbox titles than gamecube titles that's doesn't mean it's true for the entire gaming community. Unless you are good friends with the whole world population. Personally, I own 35 gamecube games which is down from 43 but only 6 Xbox games and 9 PS2 games.

I also agree that Nintendo is still the most profitable of all three companies. Nothing is outselling the GBA. In over sales and profitability, Nintendo owns everybody.

KR:

That's pretty amusing that you think losing ***4 billion, repeat after me, that's 4,000,000,000*** dollars on a console and still come out neck and neck with the Cube is really a good thing, considering the latter had virtually no advertising or hype whatsoever, had a "kiddy" image in the mind of every 50Cent loving 12 year old in America (that's a *lot* of preteens), and made a profit to boot. Really amusing.

And no, the DS had zip to do with it, the Cube made a profit all on its own (even if it wasn't as big as Nintendo's handhelds).

Of course Nintendo has a kiddy image. Who doesn't let 5-year olds like my nephew play Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem? I mean, scenes like blood dripping on the screen and my character's head falling off are the kind of cute imagery that's clearly meant for only kids.

Of course, that's just for when my nephew isn't distracted by Resident Evil 4, which he had for the 'Cube months before the PS2 version came along.

As for a new Paper Mario, I actually hope they don't bother adding Wii functionality. It seems to me that I'm still waiting for Twilight Princess because too many people demanded it work with the Wii, thereby stretching out its development time. I'd rather not see that happen with Super Paper Mario.

"Of course Nintendo has a kiddy image. Who doesn't let 5-year olds like my nephew play Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem?"

No way it has an adult image. Just like any 21 year old who wants to pokemon, it so much mature.

32_Footsteps - But Nintendo has a kiddy image for a reason, they primarily release kiddy games. Not that there is anything wrong with that, or the games aren't any good, but they just don't make games for "Mature" audiences. Therefore anyone who says Nintendo has a kiddy image is 100% justified, as it is clearly something Nintendo is targeting.

Rating: Mature-Teen
Sony 17-21
MicroSoft 13-16
Nintendo 2-11

BTW - Capcom made Resident Evil, not Nintendo.

If you compare GC's worldwide marketshare with Xbox, the smoking is a lot less certain. Xbox bombed hugely in Japan and other asian markets... it's a DISTANT third place there. In the Western world, it's a lot more popular.

The GC did well and sold tons of games. Compare:

Xbox
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Xbox

Microsoft Xbox games that have sold more than one million copies worldwide as of May 2006. [447]

* Halo 2 (7.75 million)
* Halo: Combat Evolved (6.61 million)
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell (3 million)
* Fable (2.39 million)
* Grand Theft Auto: Double Pack (2.26 million)
* Project Gotham Racing (2.14 million)
* Need for Speed: Underground 2 (2.05 million)
* Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (1.95 million)
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (1.70 million)
* Need for Speed: Underground (1.64 million)
* Star Wars: Battlefront (1.59 million)
* Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3 (1.58 million)
* Project Gotham Racing 2 (1.56 million)
* Dead or Alive 3 (1.54 million)
* Madden NFL 2005 (1.45 million)
* Madden NFL 2006 (1.44 million)
* ESPN NFL 2K5 (1.41 million)
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow (1.41 million)
* Medal of Honor: Frontline (1.40 million)
* Star Wars: Battlefront II (1.36 million)
* Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (1.35 million)
* Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 2 (1.29 million)
* Spider-Man: The Movie (1.26 million)
* True Crime: Streets of LA (1.24 million)
* Enter the Matrix (1.21 million)
* Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords (1.20 million)
* Tony Hawk's Underground (1.17 million)
* Doom III (1.13 million)
* Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (1.13 million)
* Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (1.11 million)
* Medal of Honor: Rising Sun (1.10 million)
* Max Payne (1.09 million)
* Call of Duty: Finest Hour (1.07 million)
* Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (1.07 million)
* Spider-Man 2 (1.05 million)
* Forza Motorsport (1.01 million)

Nintendo GameCube
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Nintendo GameCube

Nintendo GameCube games that have sold more than one million copies worldwide as of March 2006.

* Super Smash Bros. Melee (6.05 million) [248]
* Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (6.01 million) [249]
* Super Mario Sunshine (5.56 million) [250]
* The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (4.32 million) [251]
* Luigi's Mansion (3.27 million) [252]
* Metroid Prime (2.77 million) [253]
* Pokémon Colosseum (2.50 million) [254]
* Mario Party 4 (2.43 million) [255]
* Sonic Adventure 2: Battle (2.33 million) [256]
* Animal Crossing (2.24 million) [257]
* Mario Party 5 (2.01 million) [258]
* Star Wars Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader (1.88 million) [259]
* Star Fox Adventures (1.85 million) [260]
* Sonic Mega Collection (1.80 million) [261]
* Pikmin (1.61 million) [262]
* Mario Party 6 (1.54 million) [263]
* Paper Mario 2 (1.51 million) [264]
* Soul Calibur 2 (1.48 million) [265]
* Resident Evil 4 (1.44 million) [266]
* Sonic Heroes (1.43 million) [267]
* Resident Evil (1.40 million) [268]
* Kirby Air Ride (1.37 million) [269]
* Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (1.36 million) [270]
* Super Monkey Ball (1.35 million) [271]
* Super Monkey Ball 2 (1.32 million) [272]
* Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (1.30 million) [273]
* Resident Evil 0 (1.26 million) [274]
* Mario Party 7 (1.19 million) [275]
* Spider-Man: The Movie (1.16 million) [276]
* Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (1.13 million) [277]
* Mario Power Tennis (1.13 million) [278]
* Need for Speed: Underground (1.12 million) [279]
* Sonic Adventure DX (1.10 million) [280]
* Pokémon XD (1.07 million) [281]
* Donkey Konga (1.06 million) [282]
* Pikmin 2 (1.05 million) [283]
* Tales of Symphonia (1.03 million) [284]
* Super Mario Strikers (1.01 million) [285]

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_computer_and_video_games

Looking at those lists, it's obvious that Nintendo did pretty well with the Gamecube. Especially considering a big chunk of those games were Nintendo 1st party games, thus they got ALL the money from them.

AND Nintendo probably has a few more million sellers on the cube - I'd expect Paper Mario and Zelda to crack a million.

Sabre:

(1) It's already been stated that USB storage devices can be used since it DOES have USB ports.

Wow it has USB ports. Finally! it took only a generation. Now I can go out and buy a USB flash drive or a USB based hard drive, because the Wii doesn't come with its own storage system out of the box.

(2)No HD support. Woop-de-freakin-do. It's still expensive to buy, expensive to develop for and has not fully penetrated the market.

So when is a good time introduce HD to consumers. Five years from now, ten? How about the people who actually have HD sets that want to play GameWii games at a higher resolution? What's wrong with supporting higher resolutions? Your claim about it being expensive is false. Games have been made to support higher resolutions for a long time (just check the PC). It isn't as expensive as you think it is. So wait wait, you're going to wait til full penetration to introduce it? Let's see Sony didn't wait to introduce a DVD based console. Microsoft didn't wait to introduce true console online gaming just because their wasn't full penetration. Geesh at least it should have been an option.

(3) Umm...the 360 is doing the same thing with Xbox Live Arcade and people don't have a problem with it. Plus if it means not having to have 5 other systems hooked up and reducing the clutter then people will do it. It worked for iTunes...it will work for this.

The thing with Live Arcade vs. Virtual Console is Live Arcade has games that aren't old as hell unlike the VC. I'm sure most people wouldn't mind 5 dollars or a little more for a NEW game. Why would you pay that to replay an OLD game? I wouldn't pay more than a $1.00 to play Mario/Duckhunt. There is nothing new to it. It's just nostalgia. Hanging on to the past.

So when everything is said. Add all that with an unproven controller, and last gen hardware the GameWii just isn't selling me on being revolutionary. Maybe that's why they changed the name, because ain't no revolution here. Just more Mario, Samus, StarFox, Pikachu, etc.

Wow. That boss battle looks great. Like "Shadow of the Paper Colossus." I can't wait to play this game.

When talking about Gamecube vs Xbox sales, why does everyone always result to "lost 4 Billion dollars" and "only sold a few million more" comments?

That logic doesn't make any sense from a gamer's perspective. Maybe an investor will look at it that way. It should matter to the gamer how much money the console maker made anyway, as long as games came out for the system.

I'm sorry, but the Gamecube just doesn't have enough third party games. Period. It has nothing to do with "kiddie" games. Whether Microsoft burned money or not, they still had more games available than Nintendo did (without including the GBA Player adapter).

I guarantee that more people are playing Xboxes daily than Gamecubes. Xboxes still live on through Live.

I own all the consoles available for sale at the moment, and I'm really disappointed that the Gamecube didn't have more to offer. I like the console better than my PS2, but unfortunately it's not seen much action since MP2 and Resident Evil 4.

I doubt very much that Nintendo made as much money out of the Gamecube as Sony did out of the PS2. The PS2 Sold 100million units and god knows how many games. Sony would have probably gone bust if it was not for the success of the Playstation brand in its first 2 incarnations!

"Nintendo failed because they failed to meet the needs of it's clientel. They forgot that the users that remained loyal over the year aren't 10 anymore. We are 20, 25, 30. We have matured, and we need mature games to go along with us. Playstation and Xbox fed the need, while Nintendo continued to cater to the kiddies. They turned the Nintendo brand into something that one "graduates" from. You get to old for Nintendo and graduate to Sony or MS. Also, they severely underestimated the value of online play. There is no reason that Madden, Need for Speed, Mario Kart (warp pipe not counting), Super Smash Brothers, any of the James Bond games, and countless other titles don't have an online option. The other thing that doomed them is that it isn't a multimedia device. People want more than just a game player now, we want basically a cheap set top box. Sony did it, MS did it, Nintendo "stayed true to it't roots". Even trees grow Nintendo, it's time to branch out." - rjholla2003

And Josh look how many Mario games the Cube had, it's both astounding and ridiculous: I counted 11 Mario titles, the other games are mostly geared to 10-15 year olds. If you look at the data you can assume that the Cube's followers were mostly younger kids who probably weren't old enough to purchase Mature games. "Look through their games library and you see game after game based off a kid's cartoon or movie. Nintendo also apparently gave up on releasing decent Nintendo titles and instead they chose to put out a ton of games featuring Mario doing a sport, or a party." (Raptor)

Ahem any external hard drive has far more storage then any console internal hard drive would and cost far less to boot.

An internal hard drive drives up cost for the consumer that doesn't need it. It also makes the console less reliable and the chances of an internal hard drive failing in a console is very high.

The wii has 750 mb of flash memory most of these virtual console games due to Nintendo compression will not even take 100 k of flash memory.

If Nintendo is using the Ique model you buy the game license and can redownload as much as you want.

Xbox owners as well as PS3 owners would love to use external hard drives instead of internal hard drives since it is far less hassle.

You can get a 400 GB external hard drive for 250 dollars now. Two years from now that will be much cheaper.

Sony charges a 100 bucks for an additonal 40 gigs.

Microsoft charged a 100 bucks for a 20 gig hard drive for the 360.

HDTVs are not common over the world. Most people don't give a crap about HDTV since it has been around since the 1960s. The next gen tvs are 3D display.

HD for games uses 1/4 of the console's resources to put something 99% of people cannot tell the difference from a game displayed on an Enhanced Defination tv.

The wii virtual console will have new games. Old games will be enhanced. Most people will pay 3.00 dollars for a license to a favorite NES game.

You got people playing five bucks on xbox arcade for Joust when the game is on the Midway Arcade collection for xbox with far more games for 20 bucks.

Xbox live is the one ripping people off on classic game prices. Most of your so called new games have been on the pc for years and can be played legally for free.

LongShotX:

It's people like you who make the internet what it is. Keep it up.

First of all, the Wii does come with its own method of storage. Flash memory. 512MB of fast, inexpensive and accessible memory, and expandable via the refined SD standard. With the way flash memory is coming down in price, where now it's extremely inexpensive ($17-35) to add 512MB to 1GB of memory, that trend will grow on its own exponentially over the next five years. Nintendo isn't behind the times, it is ahead of them. Not manufacturing a device dependent on an antiquated storage medium with moving parts makes the whole process simpler and less expensive.

Second, the argument put forth in the high-definition vs. standard-definition debate is that at this point the cost involved outweighs the reward. I would personally agree with that. With low market penetration, high-definition gaming is an expensive, processor-consuming feature that would only be able to be taken advantage of by a miniscule portion of the gaming population in America, and even less in Japan, or any other country, where high-definition is a decidedly lower priority than it is here. In addition, households that do have a high-definition television largely only have one, stipulating that in order to take advantage of the benefits provided by high-definition, the games must be played on the family or household's main television, as opposed to in the bedroom or wherever else one chooses to play. Until there is no further detail that can be implemented on the 480p level, until our games are indistinguishable visually from the best DVD movies, measuring visual quality by resolution is kind of like measuring musical quality by volume.

And, finally, regarding the Virtual Console... Iwata-san has stated repeatedly that the Virtual Console will be used to open up development to small, independent developers, with a set price range of 500-1000 yen. I know, I know, facts have a funny way of getting in the way of stupid biases. With the low-cost development kits and newfound philosophy of giving great ideas a venue again (see Iwata's priceless quote in TIME regarding Tetris), the Virtual Console is poised to become the best asset for independent development to come along in a long time.

In addition, the characterization of the great classics as "nothing more than nostalgia" is the most misguided thing I've read on here in a long, long time, and that's really saying something. When A Link to the Past was released for Game Boy Advance in 2003 at full price, it received universal praise, and received a 95 composite score on Metacritic. Why? Because thirteen years later, it's still one of the most enjoyable games ever created, and that's recognizable to anyone who picks it up, whether they've played it before or were not even born when it was first released. To claim that just about anything currently on the shelf for the $50-60 price could provide as much enjoyment as a $5 downloadable copy of Super Metroid seems ludicrous to me. Great games are great games are great games, and the greatest games are great in any generation. Old games are only fun because they're nostalgia? Tell that to my 17-year-old worn out copy of Tetris.

Well I won't say anymore since I'm hurting Nintendo Fan boy feelings. I use to love Nintendo but I'm not into the whole brand loyalty. It's all about finding the best for what suits you. Nintendo no longer suits me. I am 20 years old. My dad bought the NES when it first came out. It was awesome. I got older. I matured. Nintendo did not mature. I moved on. What I'm saying is the proof is in the pudding. The Wii either needs to put out or shut up. We will see how well it does. End of Story.

@ LongshotX:

You matured? Really? We sure as hell can't tell based on your posts.

Have you PLAYED the Wii? Doubt it.

Have you developed anything for the Wii? HIGHLY doubt it.

Oh and it DOES cost more time and money to produce a game that runs in FULL high def. The developers have to spend more time on making sure the models, the textures, lighting, etc look just as good as the SD version. PLUS with the higher powered 360 and PS3, it takes more TIME and MONEY to develop for them b/c it is a new platform and b/c they both have hardware that has never been done before in a console.

...oh and don't give me the PC has done it crap. If the PC is "so great" then tell me why is that the only games that ever really make some type of dent are RTS, FPS and MMOs. Like I previously stated...consoles SMOKE PCs...every year with it's games. GAMES are what count...not the hardware.

Red Steel, Killing Day, Medal of Honor: Airborne Assault, Project H.A.M.M.E.R., 100 Bullets, Call of Duty 3, Sadness, Resident Evil, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Necro-nesia, and a rumored Silent Hill should keep you "mature" people happy for at least a week. =P

Then the visuals are a slap in the face. Why in God's name would you want to play games on new hardware that look the same as the old hardware? Then there is no DVD playback out of the box. So basically you're getting a Gamecube with an unproven controller aka the Wiimote, "potential" DVD playability, no new means of data storage, no HD support,and the Virtual Console to play old titles that you have to pay for. Wow, now that's a bargain!!!

First of all, this is a post about the new Paper Mario, why does this always happen? Now that that's out of the way, I have a few comments for you, Longshot. The Wii is going to be 2 to 2.5 times more powerful than the Gamecube (that might I add has better graphics than your precious PS2). You're an adult now, maybe you can do some research before you say things that are widely known to be untrue by us "grown-ups". yes, I like kiddie nintendo games. Wanna know why? cuz I have fun playing them. I have played numerous PS2 and XBox games that didn't interest me at my friends house. That's why I'm happy they waste their money on those games, so I don't have to. Secondly, why are you worried about DVD playback? Do you not have a PS2 or dvd player already? You need another one? Why is that even considered as an argument against the new Wii? Stupid. Any real gamer (except Sony fanboys who are just lying to themselves) knows that the Dual Shock is the most uncomfortable controller out and has been since it was born. Not to mention that Sony is doing a piss-poor job or copying the "unproven" wiimote with a piece of shit new dual shock that has a fraction of the features that the wiimote does. But when people are using it, they'll look like they're doing a stupid-looking 80s dance with a cheap piece of plastic in their hands that breaks so easily they'll have to buy 3 more before they get their next Sony console that'll still probably use that same copycat controller 10 years from now. The Virtual Console is a great idea and I have a long list of old games that I will get when the Wii comes out for cheaper than Live Arcade games and provide a full game, not some quick little distraction like 90% of the LA games are. Meanwhile, you'll be waiting for more pos $60 games to come out for your PS3 and start rebuilding your movie library full of $50 blu-ray movies that are unneccessary, especially since you probably don't have a HDTV set, like the vast majority of the world.
And don't worry, you're not hurting any of our feelings, what you say doesn't matter. We've been defending Nintendo since it actually needed it, nowadays the Sony fans are the only ones looking stupid and we just sit back and laugh at everything you (and all of Sony's Reps) have to say.

I don't align my self with the PS3 philosphy. It's PC/Xbox 360 all the way. I'll support the American brand as long as it continues to push new envelopes and develop new and innovative acessories and games. As well as connectivity with people across the globe. And by the way if the Dual Shock was the most uncomfortable controller ever, I wonder why there is 100 million Playstation customers. Why didn't they scrap the design after the PSone. Because it worked. It was a good design. Although the location of the left analog is up for debate.

Ok just to make you happy and so I can sound relevant. Paper Mario is going to sale like pancakes. But I ain't buying it. Talk about milking a franchise character to death. And don't get started on Halo because it's only had 2 iterations with one on the way. Mario is in his like 2000th incarnation. All we need now is Mario American Styled Football and Mario Basketball, then Mario Boarders, Mario Space Wars, Mario Cop, Mario's Time Machine, Mario Lacrosse, Mario Texas Hold em' Up, Carboard Mario, Mario Prime, Mario Sims, Mario Flight, Mariolympics, Mario Man X, Mario: Italian Job, Mario vs. Sonic, Mario Tetris Edition, PacMario, and maybe maybe in 15 years when HD takes hold Mario 1080p. I could go on for days.

Wii= Dual Cube = do or die.

For me, the most exciting thing to come out of E3 this year was seeing Pit in the new smas bros trailer. I should hope to see a full fledged Kid Icarus game some day. Seems like Nintendo is just realizing the amount of muscle they have! A lot of us first-generation gamers now have kids and have exposed their kids to the classics. This bodes well for the big N. I own all 3 systems and they all have their strengths, but I have to say that I've had most fun with Nintendo-created games. Graphics do matter... I cried when Soul Calibur 3 was only available on PS2. (I bought it for PS2, but its sad that Soul Calibur 2 looks better on my XBOX. Heck, Soul Calibur 1 on the Dreamcast looks better than SC3 on the PS2.) ...graphics do matter but games are what its all about. Nintendo knows a more accesible system (price / age) will put games in more people's hands. I've only bought a single $59 xbox360 game since launch. It will also take an extremely great game to make me dish out $600 for a PS3. But thats another topic. It'll be fun to see how it goes. It sure is a good time to be a gamer. ;)

"Mario is in his like 2000th incarnation. All we need now is Mario American Styled Football and Mario Basketball, then Mario Boarders, Mario Space Wars, Mario Cop, Mario's Time Machine, Mario Lacrosse, Mario Texas Hold em' Up, Carboard Mario, Mario Prime, Mario Sims, Mario Flight, Mariolympics, Mario Man X, Mario: Italian Job, Mario vs. Sonic, Mario Tetris Edition, PacMario, and maybe maybe in 15 years when HD takes hold Mario 1080p. I could go on for days."

Well...so much for sounding like an adult and having a civil conversation.

As for the whole "I support American" thing...*YAWN*. Gimmie a break man. I'm american as well but I buy he stuff that is fun, pushes the envelope and is innovative...and it's not always going to be american.

'Mario Prime' sounds like fun. I'd so buy that.

Well first, I would have to pitch in that while it doesn't mean that the world shares the same experiances, I personally don't own many Gamecube games, and every person I know doesn't either. Again, this doesn't represent the WORLD'S perspective, but it is mine and many others. With that said, I DID enjoy mine more than many fan boys give it credit for. Was I the only one who DID enjoy Mario Sunshine? Why does this title take so much shit? Am I missing something? Also, as different as the graphics were for Windwaker, they were't ugly (at least they were crisp and clean, unlike most PS2 titles),and the different graphic style still really didn't stop it from being a good game. Again, at least IMO.

Something else I think people forget is that it isn't so much that the Gamecube didn't have 3rd party support as the other consoles had that SAME support too (for the most part).

Again, I, like many others, didn't own JUST a gamecube. So if I have a choice to play a game with better graphics, a better controller (opinion), and faster load times (for me this is my xbox) vs the gamecube, I'm gonna get it for the xbox. Makes more sense to me.

The simple fact is I NEVER owned a GC game that wasn't an exclusive. Neither did my buddies. If it was coming out for the xbox, I'd rather just play it there.

I'm surely not going to get into the 'who smoked who' debate, because I can't see how you can chalk this up to anything more than OPINION. Now since this is a gaming blog it's purpose is to serve up OPINIONS (something many forget) I'm surely not going to blame them for being here, but I do think that too much stuff posted here is presented/interpreted as FACT, when it is in fact simply NOT.

Does final fantasy and metal gear solid justify my purchase of a PS3? For me, no. No I just don't have much desire to play either game. I loved FFVII but I just don't have the time for those games anymore. I hear MGS is a great IP withsome great titles, but I love Splinter Cell and simply don't have the time in my life to tackle more than one of such a game. (don't throw this into a MSG vs SC debate. This is simply my opinion. I've enjoyed SC and have no reason (yet) to play anything else.) The titles I love are on the xbox, so the xbox won last gen FOR ME (opinion). I've never liked the playstation, and still don't have a reason PERSONALLY to get one. Any of them. I have owned ever Nintendo console and see my self to continue to do so, as well as Microsoft's console as long as things don't go sour for either company.

I agree with some. In a way it does seem to get old to hammer the same IP over and over again with title after title.
but here's the thing. I still enjoy mario. I don't want them to stop making mario games as long as they're fun. For me, they are. That's why they exist. I don't want Zelda to end because they're still fun for me. Same goes for Halo, Splinter Cell, ninja gaiden, amped, ghost recon, etc.

These are OPINIONS people. I think everyone gets real upset on this site because someone's opinions stomp on their own. If you can't take someone else's opinions (as long as they are stated as such), then leave. I will however, say that I do hate it when people falsely present things as FACTS when they simply aren't.

In any case, it is my OPINION that the dual shock controller is horrible. Not comfortable and needs triggers. I was, however, one of the freaks who thought the original Xbox controller was awesome (big hands). Although I will admit the analog sticks we're quite up to par, I liked the button placement and size. I really like my 360 controller as well, but the shoulder buttons are unfortable to hit sometimes. Overall, though, the 360 is very enjoyable and will be the only 'next-gen' console I buy (that is, out of the X360 and PS3), and will very likey get a Wii.

I think I had more to add but I can't remember, and franky don't think you kids want to hear any more of this old man's opinion.

Although, one more thought. Does the xbox's exceptional use as a media box not give it major points in anyone elses opinion? I mean, sure. It can't be used in a strict debate, as it wasn't the consoles design or anything, but I've never used any device more in my life than my modded xbox. I dunno, something to think about.

Every time someone brings up Nintendo's 'kiddy' image I chuckle. Especially when I go to the Nintendo store here in New York City and see adults sitting in the DS circle. Or when my 35-year old friend went out and bought herself a DS after playing Wario Ware: Touched on mine. I chuckle every time I see a 40-something-year old playing beating Donkey Konga bongos because it's "not as complicated as a controller, and it's fun."

I think some people, those who feel they have something to prove, confuse having fun with being childish. If you're not playing some testosterone-soaked shooter your puka shell necklace-adorning, Abercrombie & Fitch-wearing 'bruhs' might point and laugh at you.

Nintendo hasn't been in business as long as it has by pure luck, they know exactly what they're doing. They make consoles and games that are fun for the whole family. They feel gaming shouldn't be too complicated, I'm 26 and they still make games I like. They know that some people don't want realism to 'escape' to, they want fun.

As for the topic at hand, I'm definitely getting this game. I got the first for the 'Cube and it's a blast to play. Great visuals, humor and gameplay.

all i can say is that i feel sorry for the casual gamer when it comes to next gen gaming. We all know that only hardcore gamers bought an gamecube and hardcore gamers bought an xbox, hardly no casual gamers bought an xbox or gamecube. Some casuals probably played some gems on gc and xbox like halo2 zelda or mario kart. But the avreage game played ps2 and only owned ps2. Most average gamers play ps2 on a a small tv screen it was more economical for them. Now comes next gen. Casual gamers have a philosphoy wow the xbox360 sucks the nintendo wii sounds kiddy, so now casual gamers have an excuse not to buy a wii or a 360 even though both consoles are drastically cheaper then the ps3. But when casual gamers see the ps3 they will be enamored and wowed until they see teh ps3 price tag. Casual gamers can say what tehy want about nintendo and play thier crappy ps2 games which have some revolting graphcs. Either way I'v owned 4 past nintendo consoles and looking forward to my fifth nintendo console called the Wii. All i can say is that mainstream Americans like casual gamers and soccer moms are extrmelly fucked and screwed when it comes to the ps3 price point and philosophy, besides 12 year old johnny is to young to play GTA anyway.

Mario is in his like 2000th incarnation. All we need now is Mario American Styled Football and Mario Basketball, then Mario Boarders, Mario Space Wars, Mario Cop, Mario's Time Machine, Mario Lacrosse, Mario Texas Hold em' Up, Carboard Mario, Mario Prime, Mario Sims, Mario Flight, Mariolympics, Mario Man X, Mario: Italian Job, Mario vs. Sonic, Mario Tetris Edition, Mario RTS, PacMario, and maybe maybe in 15 years when HD takes hold Mario 1080p. Then Rock, Paper Mario, Mario Fantasy, Mario Presents: Peach Porn, Mario Hockey, Chutes & Mario, Mariopoly, Mario Combat, Covert Mario: Goomba Strike, Mario Canoe, Mario Scuba, Mario Grind, Mario Guitar, Mario Rush, Mario vs. Capcom, Mario Busters, Mario Boxing, Mario Fighter, Mario Uno, Mario Megamix, Mario 8 - 4000, Mario MotoCross, Mario GP, Mario ATV, Mario Nighttime, Mario Jazzercise, Mario Pocket, Grand Theft Drain Pipe, Mario Pimp, Mario Concerto, Mario Wiipeated, Mario Rap, Mario Cycling, Mario Gym, Mario Universe, Mario String Theory, Mario Light, Mario Sportscenter, Final Mario, Project Mario, Mario Stalkers, Mario Joystiq, Mario Surf, Mario Wave Runner, Mario 480i, Mario Canvas, Mario Puzzle, Mario Mix and Match, Mario CAD, Mario Engineering, Mario in Smoke that Pipe, Mario Killers, Mario Recycled, Metal Mario, Pulp Paper Mario, Mario Rape.


Ok Mario is still cool but dang that right there is basically all of the potential Mario games for the Wii and beyond. If I have missed anything let me know please. Again Paper Mario is cool. But Cardboard Mario will be much better.

Wii= Dual Cube

Like I said:

Well...so much for sounding like an adult and having a civil conversation.

You aren't capable of it LongShotX.

For someone who has -2 stars you must say some really off the wall stuff as well.

Paper Mario is going to rock! I hope it'll include some Dual Cube functionality.

No I have negaive stars b/c of a blogger/mod that writes for joystiq having a personal grudge against me for no apparent reason.

Sounds like a personal problem to me Sabre.

Nintendo Wii= Dual Cube

Paper Mario = Fun.

PS3= POS3

360 = run circles around competition

Sabre = I respect your opinions.

It's hard to respect yours when you are being sarcastic and incapable of making an opinion without mocking something/someone.

This game looks so much fun but then I just love the Mario platformers. Still the style looks very unique (I love crazy art styles), and the switching between dimensions sounds like a very interesting gameplay addition. Hopefully this game shall rock as much as the New Super Mario Bros. game. Or more.
Though... I'd rather not have Wii functionality, at least not in the same vein as Twilight Princess. I'd rather play a platformer with a traditional controller and not feel as if my choice of control has meant I've been left out of extras the Wii version might get.

On another note; why do people care so much about wether or not the Gamecube got 'smoked'? How does it affect your enjoyment of the Gamecubes games?
Unless of course you own shares in Nintendo... or work there. Then I could understand it.