GRAW downloadable content up for 1200 MS bux

$15 isn't bad for an expansion pack (especially since I think most of us are used to paying $20 for them); and with the content + naming, I'm iclined to think of it as such.

The way you worded this post, I take it you don't think of this as an expansion but rather as missing content? Why? Was GRAW not a complete game? Maybe it was just my copy.... but it felt pretty complete to me. Did we buy different versions of the game I wonder?

Now, horse armour complaints I can understand... but it seems like any content that gets released on XBLA with a price tag, regardless of what it is get's the same "OMFG! WHAT A RIPOFF!" response, which quite frankly boggles my mind. Is it the lack of physical media? Is that why people are so offended by the idea of paying for expansions and addons?

Duh, it costs money to develop products... every single ghost recon gets updated usually for $40... its not like there is a shortage of content for this amount of money. Oh yeah... if you think it is too much, do not buy it

I think this is a really reasonable price for what you're getting; the two additional game modes essentially multiply game time, and I think this package has already been severely underrated by a lot of people (at least according to the Xbox forums). Compared to the other downloadable content, like the awful Oblivion stuff, this stuff is amazing.

Kudos to Ubisoft.
Kudos to

Considering that's more than BF2 expansions will give you, I don't think that's a bad deal at all.

I like this business model, mainly because you don't have to leave your home to get new content...I don't have a 360, but I'm hoping the PS3 will play out like this when I buy it later this year...

I don't mind getting a game that has room for expandability, and I defeintely don't mind spending a few bucks to expand it...I can only dream of what this could mean for FFXIII, since S-E said that they would be utitlizing Sony's online service.

$15 isn't bad for an expansion pack (especially since I think most of us are used to paying $20 for them); and with the content + naming, I'm iclined to think of it as such.

That's what I thought. Although I don't plaw GRAW, and don't know how much content is added.

The problem here is that 700 MB download size. Wait till a couple more of these are released. How much of that hard drive is usable again?

800 MS points would have been perfect, but this is just too much money for an instant sale... now I am going to have to think about if its worth it to me.
Right now its not, because I havent really played the game online, and thats all the content is good for.
Why do they think that increasing the price is the right thing to do? Arnt they trying to attract MORE gamers?
Le Sigh.

The good thing though (and I think this may have something to do with the pricing) is that MS isn't going to charge you to redownload content.

So, you play GRAW for a few months, get tired of it, delete the pay-for content, then later (say, maybe a month before GRRAW [Ghost Recon: Really Advanced Warfighter] comes out) you redownload those content packs and keep having your fun.

I don't think this is a good deal. $15 for a few new weapons (all the weapons in multiplayer feel the same anyway), 4 new maps and some things that nobody cares about?

No thanks Ubi.

I think for all of the new guns, maps, and missions you get $10 dollars seems appropriate. Not $15! Besides, if you are like me I have moved on to other games after playing this game out, and I don't know if I want to "Jump (back) In" to GRAW!??!!

But the price seems fare for what you get compared to, oh I don't know... a certain Horse Armor add on! LOL!

-X Budd

The biggest problem with all this d/l content are not the prices but this 'microsoft points' middle-man bullsh*t. Who wants to win/purchase tickets or coins that can only be used/redeemed at one particular venue. This isn't a town carnival or your local Chucky Cheese, is it? I mean this whole points thing is such an embarrassingly and shameless grab at your wallet. I'm all for d-loadable content but don't tell me I have to buy your 'points' first, that's ridiculous. Imagine if companies like Best Buy or EBgames used the same policies and forced customers into buying a $75 "point card" to purchase that $50 game (or anything else for that matter) because they don't sell a $50 card. Are you kidding me?? I have a 360 and I love being able to d/l demos and trailers for free but I won't even consider paying for anything if I have to go through this point crap first.

Now I'm really torn. I was going to buy the 1600 point gift card( can't use credit card) to get myself Marble Blast Ultra along with one other item, and I thought this would be perfect! Since it was just an expansion, and it didn't have to be shipped, I thought it too would come in around 800 points...but now this! Why does MS have to make it a 1600 point card? Isn't there a 2000 point card out there? You know, nice round number?

I guess it almost helps that I'll get 100 points with my 3 month subscription for summer...but almost doesn't cut it when it comes to the economy.

lol @ all the MS fanboys saying how if you think it's too much then don't buy it. Also saying how it's a great price when you think about all you're getting.

Now, where have I heard that before...

$15 ain't bad, but let's be honest, relighting maps is cool but it probably didn't take too long to do for Ubisoft...I already got bought it anyway...The Major Nelson blog was filled with "RIPOFF!" comments and such, how many of them actually bought it too? Most of them prolly.

I guess you all forgot that the add on content for GR:Summit Strike was FREE. This stuff should be priced at $5, $10 tops.

This is the main reason the PREY demo isnt out

This is a load of crap. How do I get a refund for Live? I paid $50 for a service that cant even download updates. And now they expect me to pay $15 for a tiny ass add-on? No thanks.

If this is the future of gaming, count me out.

i think i will wait for the GOTY edition which will probably include all these expansions and get that instead

$15 is just wrong. Ubi is now just taking advantage of its fan base.

Summit Strike was $30 and was a mass of ALL new content. as was its later free DLC.

so much for being "gamer-centric", Ubi is just trying to get over.

so x360 dlc is 15$ but pc dlc is free? where is the logic ubi? plz explain

Yo Blink, I think you can buy 2000 points exactly through Xbox Live... yea get Marble Blast
Yo Oneiros Dreaming, I think you start with 13GB usable on the HDD... I'm down to 2

Seems like a ripoff to me. I'd rather save those points for Street Fighter when it finally gets released.

The comments in here will never change for the subject on hand.

Here is the bottom line.. you want it, you buy it. If you don't care about it, then you don't buy it all.

That really is it.

I wanted GRAW but I decided to hold off on buying any games till N3, GoW, and/or Splinter Cell is released (but I might pick up LOTR: BFME or Prey this summer for the dryspell). The demo didn't interest me an hour after I played it (it was only one multiplay level) but it was pretty fun. I can see people paying 15 bucks for such a good ammount of content but 700 MBs! Jesus! This worries me. I'm already at 4GB (I've been lower) with all the demos and movies I've downloaded. Of course you can redownload things as much as you want, but eventually the HDD won't be enough. Another 100 bucks for a new HDD plus no way to transfer game saves (unless you want to pay 40 bucks for a memory card). Hopefully MS gives us defragmenting options in our consoles soon, too.

"That really is it."

no, it's alot bigger than that , this is mainstream console gaming's first platform at an online "marketplace" and some of the first results include overly expensive Horse Armor, and shady attempts to have people consider a tweaked version of a gun or map as "new content".

we're already paying 20% more for next-gen games. $50 for xbox live. and now popular franchises feel they can charge whatever they want for dubious pieces of "content".

it all sets a dangerous precedent.

bigger picture still, it may ultimately give Sony the right path to catch up to Xbox Live: price.

These first attempts will get these greedy developers the cash because it's all so new, but once the novelty wears off, and once there is more competition, hopefully we can get back to mainstream gaming prices.

Let's think about this? Ghost Recon came out A FEW MONTHS back and they are now releasing this new content for it, and not a lot of new content either. Sweet! New camoflage! New game modes! and they're saying that these weren't ready when the game initially shipped? Nonsense. It sounds to me like part of their business model was to ship the game lacking the extra content just so they could sell it later and by later I mean the immediate future. Guaranteed that this "NEW" content was 100 percent ready when they initially released the game. What a bunch of crap! I don't know if it's Microsoft, Ubisoft, or whoever but it pisses me off.

I don't own an xbox 360, and never owned an og xbox. I'm really not interested in xbox live. Downloading old school games is interesting, and street fighter 2...? awesome. But my super nintendo is still plugged in and I can pop in my old favorites any time.

Butcha can't listen to your favorite albums when you're playing Starfox...which I've really really wanted to do in the past few days. Nintendo could actually do it since they're reworking all their old games to be emulated on Wii, they could just as easily add in the ability to turn off BG music and use your own.

...sadly, that's not gonna happen, as the 360 will be my media console, and the Wii my gaming. Ah well.

And Imadogg, I can't really, I have to use a gift card, I don't have access to a credit card( heck, I'm even using passport accounts to have Live Silver).

Well, the 360 is getting really right up there with the PS3 now... This is 'Next Gen!'

I will likely buy this, once my mysteriously dead 360 is repaired. But I digress. $15 is not a very good deal, considering Summit Strike, the sequel to Ghost Recon 2, was in stores at $29, and while billed as a 'mission pack,' it works as a standalone game with no real need to own GR2 at all. A full game with 10-12 levels, new uniforms, new guns, new vs. modes... Did I mention you didn't even need to own the first GR2? Oh, I did? OK.

I hope DigiSmalls is right... I know that dude outside of 'the matrix' and he's on point - I hope so this time too...

I own GRAW and the co-op missions were one of my favourite parts of any game ever, me and my friends really had a good time playing through the 4 short missions, but 1200 for essentially a few co-op levels and some new maps (with crappy MP graphics) HELL NO! Downloadable content does nothing but screw the gamers. I see they are already working on DLC for Prey, before the game is completed! What a joke! This isnt extra stuff, this is stuff that should be IN the game on release.

maybe im behind the times..but i cudda SWORE this has been common for PC games for eons...

none of this sh*t is essential to the overall enjoyment of the orignal game...its just " extra" and of course Devs are going to try and squeeze as much cash out as they can..they already see the short end of the stick as it is...i cant hate on them for trying to make a dollar..im sure ps3 and Wii will be the same for this kind of stuff...

and u guys are saying " OMGOZ PRYCES HAV GONE UPOZRZ" ...well guess wat..?? so have Dev costs...

im not justifying the price...but this is nothing new...

I was excited for this dlc with the expectation of $5-10 but at $15 I'll be on the fence. I've got entirely new games I'm excited for and the $15 I'd spend for the next two weeks would be better spent on jnk food when the new games get here.

Hopefully this is just part of Marketplace prices stabilizing.

"Guaranteed that this "NEW" content was 100 percent ready when they initially released the game."

For someone who spends almost an entire post expounding on how much you don't know and haven't experienced, you're quite confident. You might want to loosen your tinfoil hat. While Ubisoft may have already had portions of the expansion packs in progress as they sent the original game off for certification and duplication, I'd HIGHLY doubt that they had anything close to a finished, polished, tested, and distribution-ready expansion pack sitting there with a nefarious plot to not include it in the game. Generating new content with a small team actually can be as quick as a few months (assuming the game has a decent production pipeline in place) and some of them may have been features that weren't ready in time to meet their original ship date.

The problem with charging for content is that it leaves the door open for this scenario:

DeveloperGuy: We can't add all the modes and features we planned on having in time for the deadline.

DeveloperGuy2: Let's just release what we have now and then charge extra for that stuff later.

I'm not saying the price tag isn't justified in this situation, but I am saying that charging for "extra" content is a slippery slope especially when that extra content should've been a part of the original package.

I'm going to download this tonight can't wait to get my hands back on the SD (silenced) sniper rifle had great fun with that on ghost recon 2 against a big team of human players. Poping up out of bushes to take them out one by one.

In the UK its more. It costs £13, which is $23! skanks.

Well Well, another AWSOME download and a TON of complainers.....that's not suprising!! The REAL bottom line here is if you play GRAW online and have FUN doing it then go out and buy the content, I'm sure you'll get your money's worth!! And if you don't play or bought the game yet, well it's simple don't press the download button stupid!!!!

It's really a little overpriced... $15 for couple of maps and weapons on top of $59 !!!

Not to mention free expansions on PC's.....

Whenever you guys finish whining, I'll be on live waiting to pick people off with the SR25-SD. I'm having trouble downloading it though. I had to restart like 4 times after hanging at about 20%

They should have fixed the problems with multiplayer first (I want to use cover dammit!)....

At this point I'm just going to wait for a better multiplayer shooter to come out.

Wow, MS provides a service UBIsoft uses it to make money and MS gets hung for it. Get it free? How do you expect the service and the programners to survive? This is a business model not a fan service. Sony is down 578 million this year finincially, and let me guess you wont want them to not charge either for their e-distribution? Where do you guys work? Cause Im coming in for all my freebies....cause you all must be walking the walk to talk all this smack right?

Console gaming is becoming way too close to PC gaming. I guess purchasing an XBOX360 without a hard drive is pretty pointless if this trend continues. Also, what happens when you run out of space on the drive?

I don't have an Xbox 360 and won't get one, but I have a couple of questions:

Can you buy XBLA material with the free Xbox Live Silver Account?

Does there exist the possibility for user mods like PC games?

Is there a baseball game available for Xbox 360? If so, are there automatic trade downloads?

Is anything beyond trailers and demos free?

"That means a fully-loaded Xbox 360 version of GRAW is going to run you $75" No the fully-loaded version of GRAW came out a few months ago and was available at retail stores. This is just (extra content). I completed this game and I didn't notice the game missing anything. You people have a mission, "To criticize Xbox live and to undermine the amount of work that must be done to release new content for an already published game which by the way companies don't have to do.". Asking companies to not charge for creating new/extra content is asking them not to create any new content. Nintendo and Sony said it themselves that they will also implement this. They will also charge to download new content. But wait it is ok if they do it not Microsoft.

"Console gaming is becoming way too close to PC gaming. I guess purchasing an XBOX360 without a hard drive is pretty pointless if this trend continues." Not really what you can do is get a PS2 or GC which don't give you the capability of downloading new content. Like that you don't need a HD. If you are one of those that think being allow to upgrade your game even years after you buy it and prefer to put the game away for good once you beat it, don't get a 360.

There is no being different here if you do the math. Let’s take Battle Field MC. This game exists in the PS2 and the 360. You paid retail price for both. PS2: Even though you are not capable of patch bugs, VOIP, buy new content (i.e. gamer pictures, themes, etc), Do you consider the PS2 game incomplete? No! Now the 360: They fixed bugs for free, charge for things like gamer pictures and themes, and they are working on new maps and weapons which will not be available for the PS2 version (not capable). You people are so dumb that you prefer not being able to download new content (Companies will not spend money to not make money) than to pay $3-$15 to add new content to a game that otherwise you wouldn't be playing.

I agree with the "if you don't like the price, don't buy it" mentality, it feels fair and hard to argue.

What I don't like is seeing Ubisoft ignoring the faults of the original game and focusing all their development on expansion content. I use southpaw controls. I paid $60 for GRAW and GRAW doesn't have southpaw. It's been sitting on my shelf for months just because I groan even thinking about using the default controls.

Honestly, I'd probably pay a couple bucks just to have them fix (not add, FIX) that so I can really enjoy the game.

@ DG

Silver account members can download demos etc but just can't play on live unless there is a special weekend I think.

They are eventually going to integrade a user marketplace where you can seel all your user made maps, custom car designs etc over live.

You get free trails of all the xbox arcade game content. Try before you buy.

Their are basketball games for the 360 but you'll have to looke them up yourself to find out details.

Microsoft is sticking it to gamers who want to play games when they first release. Putting a year or two between you and a title that you want to play will absolutely always guarantee that you'll pay a fraction of the initial price.

Now is a fantastic time to play premium original Xbox titles, most of which are under $10.00!

Remember those who bought Ninja Gaiden for $50.00 and then bought the expansion? Ninja Gaiden Black can be found for some dirt cheap prices now.

A quality game will be a quality game today and three years from now. Where are the people who paid $50.00 for Atari Pac Man?

The quicker you want it, the more you're going to have to bend over for the man.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=141686

PC and 360 content is NOT the same!

heh, "it's just a few maps and weapons." Go and develop your own games and see how easy it is.

DG, with a silver account, you can do everything a gold account can do EXCEPT play multiplayer games on Live. Trailers/demos/updates are free but I think it's the developers decision to set the price for their DLC.

my problem with this, and some of the other expansion packs, aside from the developer not addressing some big bugs and other issues, is that the price doesn't justify the content.

what i mean is this. it's 15$ for this, which is almost 1/4th the cost of the entire game, yet the amount of content here is what? 1/10th of that of the full game? maybe it's not as bad if you count the relit maps. worse still, there's no real advertising costs with this, no printing, no media cost. Microsoft just takes out a tiny bit of money from every purchase, which i think they do anyway on full games.

i don't have a problem with it being 15$, and in comparison to some of the other packs, it seems like a good deal, but overall, i don't like this general trend. i just keep asking myself, how long until we get really fun games with 10 hours of game for 70$, and then you have to pay 15$ for several "expansion packs". to equal the number of level and modes of old content.

what i wouldn't mind is maybe something like a small subscription fee for a game like Oblivion, if they were constantly adding new material. new enemies, new quests, etc, and it wasn't like horse armor and the orrerry packs in just one month. i guess normal game companies aren't currently set up for something like this though.

15 dollars is fine. I mean, hell, it's 15 bucks. Look at what Battlefield sells for 10... this is something like 4x the experience.

I'm really sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with the whiners and complainers. I played the hell out of GRAW and love the game, so when I heard about this small set of maps and enhancements, I thought "sweet, that'll be nice."

Then I heard that they're charging for it, and it turned to an automatic "forget it." Honestly, I didn't even look at the price tag, because charging anything for this 'pack' is utterly ridiculous. In the PC world we've been downloading these things for free for years. Sony released FIVE expansion packs for Wipeout Pure on PSP, each of which had more content than this, all of them free.

An "expansion pack"? What the hell are you smoking, this is not an expansion pack. This is a couple of new maps, a few slightly different weapons and a bunch of the same maps being passed around as "new" because they've got some different lights or something. Wowwwwieee!

As I said, I really liked the game, but I didn't like it so much that paying for a couple silly maps falls anywhere within the realm of reasonable. It's mystifiying to me how XBLM can swing so wildly between extremes. One minute it seems like they're really doing things right and offering content for reasonable prices, then there's crap like this and horse armor (for the record, I never played Oblivion, so I'm just going on the outcry over that one).

Actually, it's not mystifying at all - it's perfectly obvious that MS and developers are testing the waters to see what the true face of XBLM will become. Will they get away with charging $15 for a few maps? Well, if they do and it does well, than guess what folks: that's what we'll be dealing with. On the other hand, if enough people balk, we may start seeing more of the reasonably priced stuff.

On a final note, I leave you with this - compare this debate to the other one raging over another 1200 MS points download: Lumines. That's a full game (well, the multiplayer thing is still up for debate) with (allegedly) improvements and additions over the original. So it's a full game with GRAW-type "expansions" built in, and it'll be going for the same price as a dubious set of maps, guns and decals.