Publishers to miss boat if Wii sells well this holiday

"There is not six confirmed titles. There is over 20 titles. Dozens of developers have confirmed projects for the Wii but have not announced them."

Wrong. I posted proof, i said look at wikipedia wii article were it is sourced that there is only 6 titles confirmed, it says that they have said that thier may be 20 titles onfirmed for 06/07, but it was NOT sourced, that is what is important when using wikipedia, that you make sure a cliam is sourced (look for a small number which is a hyperlink, for where the claim is from, its also put in the reference section of wikipedia).
You see it is sourced that the wii has only 6 titles confirmed, it is not sourced and is NOT confirmed that the wii will have 20 tiles.

Unless you want to post a link to say otherwise? which you wont cause it aint true.

"Midway and other developers had plenty of oppurtunity to realize the potential of the wii. Just like the DS the Wii had bitchslapped them because they have no idea on unique gameplay expierences."

Why should they though, if they didnt make a single million seller on the gamecube or the ds. You fail to relaise that the best qulity wise ds games and the best selling games are nintendo PUBLISHED ones, and also I should say that the one game that was a third party game that was on the ten best selling games list for the gamecube was sonic adventure 2, a port, from the dreamcast. that is how bad the third party games done on the gamecube.

"The number of unique third party titles on the WIi outnumbers the ones on the PS3 and Xbox 360."

Post a link and porve it, that something I notice about you idioteraser you are infact worst then a troll who goes 'wii owns all' and 'ps3 is gonna burn the comeptiotion'
You make outrageous claims, but where is the proof? you do it all the time, like how you said how 'somehow' nintendo games dont get resold on the used market, you must be smoking the sh*t. Stop chatting shit and prove it, you can say what you want, but when you make them type of claims you do, you should post proof, even if its from some biased nintendo site, we should see how it outnumers both the exclusives for the 360 and ps3.

Plus
You wont find Halo, grand turismo, forza motor sports, the heavenly sword, final fantasy 13, pro evolution soccer 5, ninja gaiden, ghost recon series, metal gear solid 4, splinter cell, tekken, soul calibur, virtua fighter, vitua tennis, shemnue, assasins creed, lair, mass effect, gears of war, Elder scrolls series, half life, fear, resident evil 5, jak and daxter, rathet and clank, ico series, GRAND THEFT AUTO 4, etc on a wii

People fail to relaise that the wii is gonna be the hardest game to port a game too, and the hardest to port a game from, publishers can not take such a risk. but wii fanboys belive they will, and syill invest enough to make them great games.

Nintendo's new controller alienates third party publishers and developers, and you can not win a console war with only nintendo games, this isnt the snes era, where nintendo were number one in terms of developers, belive it or not everyone will buy nintendo consoles for mario, if they can get a good thir d party game with loads of other good games which are similar (eg ratchet and clank, jak and daxter, sly coooper or just one mario game for 5 years?). Nintendo have taking a big risk, which is not what publishers are willing to take. If this console flops thay are screwed in the console market because they have a situation where they left thier old fans in search of new ones, but if they dont come to the wii, then they have made a bad choice which will cost them, possibly forever.

If there's not good software then there will be no boat to miss. How do they expect the Wii to have any success without strong support from other publishers? It won't survive on Nintendo games alone.

Are all of you blind I said CONFIRMED. That means They are 100% will, all the games you have said are not 100%, stop lying and admit it, here is the exact line from wikipedia.

"While only six titles have been confirmed for launch,[9] the rest are, as of July 2006, reported to be 20 available at launch:"

you see that number 9 it means its sourced, its FACT. you see where they say its 20, there is no source, its not true, and its not fact, its nintendo fans speculation. Though i do approve of using wikipedia, we need to make sure its sourced and its fact, remeber anyone can edit wikipedia.

Also you should look at the sentence properly, you see that its nintendo fans putting a spin on it, but its only 6 titles CONFIRMED. so at this moment in time, if teh wii came out 2moro, 6 tiles would be thier with it.

And if you disagree which is fair, nce again post PROOF. Why would i take your word for those claims? prove it.
Thats all folks.

@ Baboon

Thanks, that clarifies a lot =)
But then i don't see why is anyone blaming nintendo for lack of information. If developers weren't sure that the new nintendo console was going to meet the same luck as the GameCube, then that is a thing to be worried, but to say that it is because nintendo didn't say a thing until E3 is, as far as i can tell, not true.

wau before E3 developers knew the things i mentioned above, had a chance of having developer kits for aparently less than 2k, and knew that there was going to be the posibility of third party downloadable content on a free of subscriptions online service.

I do understand the fact that third parties sold mostly bad on the Gamecube, and i do belive that is one of the main reason third parties didn't jump right away. What i do not belive is that Midway was clueless because nintendo didn't say anything.

@49. First of all, Nintendo's strength is its original lineup. It doesn't need to port all those PS3 titles you mentioned that, believe it or not, a lot of us are uninterested in. There doesn't need to be ports. Secondly, the developer response overall since the revelation of the controller has been nothing but positive. SquareEnix, Capcom, Sega, Ubisoft, EA, just to name a few are jumping aboard. And there are more than 6 launch titles confirmed. Link below, along with copy/paste. Enjoy!

http://wii.ign.com/index/release.html

Wii Launch - November 2006 Trauma Center: Second Opinion Atlus Software Simulation

Wii Launch - November 2006 Red Steel Ubisoft Shooter

Wii Launch - November 2006 Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 Atari Fighting

Wii Launch - November 2006 SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab THQ Action

Wii Launch - November 2006 Elebits Konami Action

Wii Launch - November 2006 Madden NFL 07 Electronic Arts Sports

Wii Launch - November 2006 Blitz: The League Midway Games Sports

Wii Launch - November 2006 Rayman Raving Rabbids Ubisoft Platformer

Wii Launch - November 2006 Cars THQ Racing Action

Wii Launch - November 2006 Wii Sports Nintendo Sports

Wii Launch - November 2006 Wii Motor Sports Airplane Nintendo Flight

Wii Launch - November 2006 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption Nintendo Adventure

Wii Launch - November 2006 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The Nintendo Adventure

Wii Launch - November 2006 Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors Square Enix Action

Wii Launch - November 2006 Metal Slug Anthology SNK Playmore Action Compilation

Wii Launch - November 2006 Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Activision Action RPG

Wii Launch - November 2006 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz SEGA Action

Wii Launch - November 2006 Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam Activision Sports

November 2006 Happy Feet Midway Games Adventure

Wii Launch - November 2006 Need for Speed Carbon Electronic Arts Racing

November 2006 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas [RUMORED] Ubisoft Shooter

November 2006 Ant Bully, The Midway Games Action

TBA 2006 Camelot RPG Nintendo RPG

TBA 2006 Donkey Kong Wii Nintendo Platformer

TBA 2006 Project H.A.M.M.E.R. Nintendo Action

TBA 2006 Ping Pong Sports Simulation

TBA 2006 One Piece: Unlimited Adventure Nintendo Action Adventure

TBA 2006 Fire Emblem Nintendo RPG

TBA 2006 Disney's Chicken Little: Ace in Action Buena Vista Games Action

TBA 2006 NBA Live 07 [TBA] Electronic Arts Sports

TBA 2006 Killing Day Ubisoft Shooter

TBA 2006 Avatar: The Last Airbender THQ Action

TBA 2006 Excite Truck Nintendo Racing

TBA 2006 Super Mario Bros. (Virtual Console) Nintendo Platformer

TBA 2006 Super Mario World (Virtual Console) Nintendo Platformer

TBA 2006 Super Mario 64 (Virtual Console) Nintendo Platformer

TBA 2006 Sonic the Hedgehog (Virtual Console) SEGA Platformer

TBA 2006 Bonk's Adventure (Virtual Console) Hudson Soft Platformer

TBA 2006 Open Season Ubisoft Action Adventure

TBA 2006 Super Mario Galaxy Nintendo Platformer

TBA 2006 Sonic Wild Fire SEGA Platformer

Q1 2007 Medal of Honor: Airborne Electronic Arts Shooter

Q1 2007 Bust-a-Move Revolution Majesco Puzzle Action

May 2007 Spider-Man 3 Wii Activision Action Adventure

Q2 2007 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2007 [untitled] Ubisoft Action

Q3 2007 Transformers (2007) Activision Action

Q3 2007 100 Bullets D3 Publisher Action

TBA 2007 Soulcalibur IV [Untitled] Namco Fighting

TBA 2007 Lost Ubisoft Adventure

TBA 2007 Disney's Meet The Robinsons Buena Vista Games Action

TBA 2007 James Bond 007 (2007) [untitled] Activision Action

TBA 2007 Sadness *TBA Action Adventure

TBA 2007 Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting *TBA Productivity

TBA 2007 Call of Duty 3 Activision Shooter

TBA 2007 TNA iMPACT! Midway Games Wrestling

TBA 2007 Animal Crossing Wii Nintendo Simulation

TBA 2007 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Nintendo Fighting

TBA 2007 n-Space Wii project [untitled] Nintendo Action

TBA 2007 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End Buena Vista Games Action

Summer 2008 Beijing 2008 SEGA Sports

Although 3rd parties had known a decent amount of information about the Wii since September, they had no way of knowing how well it would be received by the public--until E3. E3 changed everything. Who would've thunk that the Wii would set record-breaking lines at E3 and become best of show? Add the now infamous stampede scene to Nintendo's booth, http://youtube.com/watch?v=mFQz98jAcg8&search=nintendo, and I think as a publisher you're gonna become a BIT more interested then you were before (see Take Two Interactive).

-Falsoman

I think the problem is people are reading too much into the article. No publishers are complaining about the big N blindsiding them with the console. The piece is just remarking (to investors) that game publishers are not as prepared as they could have been for the launch because they did not expect as much hype, and therefore you might want to wait a bit before selling off your EA/THQ/Namco ect. stock if they don’t get a big boost this holiday season. People are just interpreting the article from Joystiq's little blurb on it, and that is probably where the confusion comes from.

Every time I see that launch list my wallet cries a little bit. I can only hope that Wii Sports is a pack-in so that I don't end up spending more on games at launch that for the console itself.

@ baberg

I know what you mean. I look and I feel as if a million pennies all cried out at once, and then were suddenly silenced.

Oh well, I dont really spend my money on anything else (go go gadget Scholarships!)

Pftt! Somebody tell that moron that get's all his info from wikipedia, that the 6 games confirmed for Wii are actually the 6 NINTENDO developed games that they have confirmed to come out for the Wii this fall. Nintendo only has confirmed 6 games that they developed and that they will publish this year.

However.... There will be many more games for Wii coming out by the end of the year. Somebody already posted the list (also seen on ign.com) here. 'nuff said.

And yeah, you have industry analyst (David Cole) saying stuff like the Wii having the chance to finish second this next-gen war.

Recently third party reps have been praising the Wii. They seem to be excited over Ninty's console.

Corporate communications VP Jeff Brown from Electronic Arts rep mentioned that the number-two spot in the upcoming next-generation console war could be number-one overall. He told Eurogamer.net that the Wii console could emerge from the fray on-top. He told the site that "everybody's saying that the Nintendo Wii is so unique that it's going to be the second system people buy, meaning if you own a 360 or a PS3, you'll probably also buy a Nintendo Wii."

THQ president and CEO Brian Farrell said "We love the Wii - it's all about having fun, right? Games are about having fun and sometimes this industry takes itself a bit too seriously" He also mentioned that THQ will offer unique and exclusive games for Wii.

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dude... i'm still laughing rolzolol, indeed the truth will hurt & I guess for you it will do more than that... I give you the "Troll Award of the Day", & you sure deserve it because it was a hell of a job achieving it today with competitors like "WII-GONNA-LOSE-BADLYOH-NOOO!", "reguy", "darryl", "Azrael" & "Jeff"#15... ;)

A little off topic, but anyone else notice how the conversation tends to go downhill after the word "Fanboy" is uttered?

What some of you guys need to realize is just because all these studios are working on games, that doesn't mean they'll all be done before the launch window.

Prior to the 360 launch, all the publications (ign/gamespot/egm) had numerous games listed as 360 launch games, however, a large chunk of those games STILL have yet to be released. Gamestop had Gears of War, Alan Wake, 99 Nights, and a whole slew of other games slated as launch titles. None of those games are even out yet here in the states.

If the list of 2006 Wii titles sits at around 50 games, do you actually believe every one of those titles will be done when they say so? When was the last time a game launched on time and wasn't pushed back. A perfect example...we're still waiting for Twilight Princess. Enough said. Nothing is sure until it hits the shelves.

Alright...

For these posters with their anti-nintendo comments and such... You need a reminder that this is larger than just the US market. There's 3 consoles covering 3 major market areas.

Here's some cold facts you need laid out before anyone goes clamoring that Nintendo is teh suck and MS FTW!!!

This industry benefits when a console succeeds in all 3 markets (US, Europe, and Japan/Korea). So far, only 2 companies of the three major consoles have had any real success in all three markets. BOTH of these manufacturers are from Japan. As proven time and again, US manufacturers don't make a dent in the Asian market, which is pretty key to getting a good foothold.

I think that whatever success MS has here in europe and US will be fine, but I think units over all, if Sony doesn't pull their head outta their ass, Nintendo will globally dominate again as a brand. It's too easy for them. There's a large subset of the gaming audience that doesn't factor in if a game is "kiddy" or not, doesn't give a crap about sports, and wants content from known and established Japanese developers. Nintendo's going to fill the hole that the overpriced PS3 has lost. Plain and simple. Nintendo is fine in saying that they're not in the running for #1 anymore. They don't have to be #1 to succeed. They're going to wipe the industry with a new concept on gaming not being limited to the gamepad. That's going to have a much more drastic effect. Come the following generation, no one will take Nintendo for granted again. Anything they do following the Wii will have Katagari and Moore sweating bullets. Why? Because Nintendo has been a bigger innovator than either of them have ever dreamed of being (d-pad, shoulder buttons, rumble packs, handheld gaming, wide adoption of analog controllers, attempts at 3D parallax view gaming). And nintendo will continue to innovate and if the wii sells well enough, that innovation can drive you to the top.

Cut the crap with assumptions that predict who will win this or dominate that. It's not about that for us. Unless you're an investor, you have no financial stake in your gaming console of choice. Out of all gaming history, no major console has flopped so badly that a gaming consumer has had no gaming options or variety before the end of the console's life.

Owning a console is going to be about having fun playing games. If you wanna bitch about who's going to win, go build an investment portfolio and then call me up.

Yeah my 360 is looking better and better each day. I feel sorry for the wii supporters because you know your going to lack some major titles like nba 2k7, ea sports and games like call of duty 3. hopefully you will be smart enough to get a 360 also. i can understand purchasing a wii as a time waster but not as a main game system. another words if you only own a wii you arent going to be satisfied if your a hardcore gamer.

"A little off topic, but anyone else notice how the conversation tends to go downhill after the word "Fanboy" is uttered?"

It's the new F-word... unfortunately.

Cuz, I'm proud to be a Nintendo fanboy! (who owns a 360 and ps2, along with every Nintendo system)

To "the Truth Hurts...": If you really think there are only 6 launch titles just because WIki via IGN has 6 confirmed titles, you are really delusional and can't do simple math. IGN, the same site that reports from Nintendo Power the 6 confirmed laucnh titles has another article confirming another dozen or so games. The 6 titles you suggest are the only ones confirmed are as follows:
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess,
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption,
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors,
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz,
Red Steel,
and Rayman Raving Rabbits.

Here are some other launch titles as reported by numerous sources, including IGN, who calls the Wii launch the greatest in Nintendo history:

Wii Sports
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Madden NFL 2007
Metal Slug Anthology
Trauma Center: Second Opinion
Elebits
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Blitz: The League
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab
Disney/Pixar's Cars

That is 16 games right there. Here is the url: http://wii.ign.com/articles/709/709258p1.html

Cute. More 15 year olds who back up all their poorly spelled arguments with a wiki. Such effort into crying over hardware.

I don't understand what they're talking about when they say "we didn't know till E3". Bullcrap. Did all those people at E3 find out that day about the Wii and its control scheme? Is that how that lined formed? They showed off the controller publicly at TGS in Sept. 05. I'm sure they were showing it off under NDA to developers before then. If anyone is to blame its publishers for not doing market research. There had been a lot of buzz about for nine months leading up to to E3. It has also repeatedly been said that Nintendo is being much more open with its 3rd party devs this time around, so if they didn't know, it means they deside not to sign up to develop.

Now, based on some people's experience with the Gamecube, I understand some hesitation. I think its perfectly acceptable to say that publishers will miss out because they didn't have any faith in Nintendo. That's a legit reason and should be the focus of the article instead of "its all Nintendo's fault because they didn't tell us people would like this".

It's reasonable that publishers may be wary about this new system. After all, Nintendo is really taking a big risk by not conforming to what works... high performance hardware. By having high performance hardware, you're expanding the boundaries, but with the specs of the Nintendo, I'd imagine developers would be limited than what they'd be used to on developing on a PS3 or X360.

And yeah, in my eyes Gamecube is pretty dead. Gamecube didn't seem to have anything "innovative" to offer and because of that, it just blatantly lost in comparison to PS2 and Xbox.

The initial launch performance of the Wii may determine the next move of 3rd party publishers. If it does well, there'll probably more 3rd party jumping on board, but despite how convenient development costs would be on the pocket, developing on the console is going to force publishers to try to in a sense, "think different" when trying to make a game that will do well since they can't just port a game since it's never gonna be comparable to the graphics hardware of the other next-gen systems.

It'll also be up to the publishers to make sure that they create the games right as well. With this motion sensing hardware they're working with, they gotta worry about applying correct thresholds to make the game still feel great to play but not as restrictive as let's say the E3 demo of Red Steel.

For example, Wii Tennis allows a player to rotate the controller to apply top spin or correctly detect backhand from forehand. If this motion sensing technology is that intricate and fast to process, then I'd imagine the possibility of a publisher making a kick ass tennis game sometime in the future... it's up to the efforts of developers to take advantage of this... which is why it's highly possible that the first wave of games may not be as impressive as later waves as developers would get a better idea (and have experience) of using the motion sensing technology.

Of course I say all this, it really all comes down to the publishers. Risk and profit.

As for me, I'm personally picking up a Nintendo Wii so I can play those games I missed out on from Gamecube and hopefully use the Virtual Console and check out those games for the console itself. Maybe one day get myself a dev kit and make myself a game for it for myself. Ultimately, I'd like to have both the Nintendo and the PS3... but probably after the PS3 goes down in price.

call of duty 3 will be on wii and an ea sports game madden 07 is very likely to be a wii launch game although why you would want another generic ww2 shooter and sports games that r pretty much the same evry time

LOL ok the guy up there with the game store clerk similuated interview is an idiot. The parent is not going to sit there during the busy holiday season to have a chat with the store clerk about what system he/she should buy their child.

First of all, if the parent is in the game store it is probably because they kid has always been bugging them for months about the system they want.

Second, vidoegames store clerks are told to push whatever system is the newest. They are not going to tell parents to buy an year old system. They are going to tell them to by a Wii or a ps3 because they are brand new.

@ Drtre81

Actually, durring the holiday rush they are told to push something, anything, into the customers hand and get them out. Most clerks spend their time restocking and trying not to get trampled.

Resident Evil 0, Remake and Four did very well on the gamecube.

Soul Calibur 2 Gamecube was the best selling version.

The Tales game on the gamecube outsold every previous tales game that was on the PS2 and PS1. But still that developer decided to put the following games which sold like crap on the PS2.

Stop naming second party series who are owned by their console company.

Funny how a Metal Gear game appeared on the gamecube. It started on the NES.

There will be a Resident Evil on the Wii. It has not been said if the wii will be getting 5 but an exclusive version will be quite nice.

This report as of May 18 from IGN.com says 16 launch titles. http://wiinintendo.net/?p=193 Several more have been announced for launch since then. There are dozens of games from Nintendo's own press breifings from third parties. These games are still under lock and key like Smash Bros for the wii was.

Halo only appeared on xbox because Microsoft bought the studio. Bungie was planning on making a PS2 version in addition to a mac version.

Midway has announced three titles for the Wii. Three of which can meet the launch window.

Marvel Ulitmate Alliance is coming to the Wii.

Due to the time it can make launch as well.

Call of Duty 3 according to the developers it's the most developed one.

Another possible launch title.

Bust a move is coming to the Wii.

Nintendo has repeatdly said 20 or more launch titles will be ready. With more titles coming in the next few months.

IGN lists over a 100 games for the Wii either confirmed or plausible. Many wii games have been admitted by developers to be under lock and key so details will not come out till the wii launches.

Bother to go to Japan and talk to Japanese gamers they will tell you often Nintendo titles of the current consoles and portables do not go into the used game market that much since they keep onto them because they like to replay them.

Expanding the boundries by faster hardware? Sorry you are just cementing them. Nothing really has changed in games since the NES days. More people are leaving gaming because it has nothing new for them.

The wii is what has the potential to attract fresh new blood. The console market in the US was shrinking same with the portable.

PSP, PS3, Xbox 360 will not save the industry from the coming crash only Nintendo will.

#51

You say there are only 6 confirmed titles (Which is true based off of Nintendo's statements that there are currently 6 confirmed launch titles), but you expect it to stay that way? We won't know the exact amount of launch titles until a few weeks before launch.

Ohh...and your fanboy is showing.

Well well well. Lets Talk from experience. I have a 6 year old and a 3 year old and i grew up playing games. Nintendo is suitable for young children and i ahppily bought a gamecube for them which as i write they are playing. It has software with intrinsic fun. it screams fun. i bougt a ds lite and my 6 year old is hooked on mario bros and my wife is hooooked on brain training and i am hooked on both. these days parents of under tens know a thing or two about games and what is suitable and basically it comes down to the values you want to instill in your kids because lets face it we dont want them to end up in jail or as crack whores or murderers, we want them to have fun and if we can we want to have fun with them and nintendo always delivers in this regard. right now i dream of xmas day playing wii sports with all the family and having a blast and tell me who else offers this kind of value ? sony ? ffs sony want to control everything and will ultimately lose... ms ? ms only wishes to gain a space under your tv so they can sell you vista. smarten up people. this is a videogames blog and the only vg company that actually gives a shit about vg is nintendo ( and sega but thats a differnet story).

xmas day. wii sports for the drunken aunts and uncles....twilight princess for me and my 6 year old and smooth moves for the whole family.

really. for a bunch of people who read so much about vg you would all want to smarten up.....the future market is for the living room and all playing as opposed to the pimply geek in his room playing warcraf.....( unless you are fucking korean)

and koreans smell.

Yeah, I know tardy with the comment but post #62 has it right. It's a global market and if Nintendo gets an exclusive Dragon Warrior game like is talked about, Nintendo has Japan in it's pocket. Also, while parents are becoming smarter about video games that doesn't mean you still have a budget. If the Wii is a cheaper option, then you might see a parent asking a child, "I know you want the [PS3 or XBOX 360] but what about this one *points to the Wii*" Granted not all parents will follow this but I bet something like that will take place over the holidays. I, personally, will buy the Wii because of the controller and I believe in Nintendo's mission statement of making games fun. You don't need the best of graphics to have a fun game. Look at some of the old platformers of yesteryear: Sonic, Mario, Pitfall, etc... These games were made with the idea of how the gamer can have fun. Not about "Look at the beads of sweat the boxer has on his forehead." Now, I am not against quality graphics, I feel that if I want awesome graphics I'll just boot up my PC and play where I have the control on the system settings.

*steps off his soapbox*

Nintendo is gaining hype, not ground its amazing how many times people get that confused

idioteraser - Look up the numbers before you write. The GameCube was, and is, a disaster for third parties.

"Soul Calibur 2 Gamecube was the best selling version. "

Incorrect. The PS2 version sold more.

Soul Calibur 2 PS2 - 1.75 million
Soul Calibur 2 GameCube - 1.48 million

"Lego Star Wars sold like gangbusters on the Gamecube."

Huh? It didn't even break a million, unlike on other platforms.

Lego Star Wars PS2 - 2.39 million
Lego Star Wars GameCube - less than a million

Where exactly do you get your information?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games

1. Because Nintendo ain't revealing to the public doesn't mean they ain't working hard behind the scenes with third party publishers. (Out of the blue, EA guarantee 6 games plus more to come).
2. Third party games on the Cube? They were almost always poorly done. Splinter Cell on the PS2 better then that on the GameCube??? The GameCube was more powerful than the PS2. The publishers just rushed the ports on the console.
3. And Midway... how many high quality titles have they put out apart from the decent Mortal Kombat games recently released? Ubi, EA, Square Enix, Activision... arent those the big dogs of the industry? They are fully associated with the Wii. And that's minus Nintendo's own games and franchises they haven't even milked. (Kid Icarus anyone?!?)
Its not all roses for Nintendo, but the future's bloody bright.

... I got one question, why are people against the Wii saying the controller alienates companies?

I mean... most the games announced for Wii at this point don't use the Nunchuck thing, they use the SNES - Dual Shock style hybrid controller. The one that looks like what the N64 controller should have been. The one that's an SNES controller with dual analog.

Why are people afraid with that controller? That's an amazing controller and whoever came up with the SNES - Dual Shock needs a raise.

That comment was uncalled for, davey. I actually don't play Warcraft, nor do I smell. In case you didn't know, showers are good for your hygiene. And as a parent, you should be typing in proper English, to help your kids.

Anyways, third-parties were definately caught off guard by the popularity of the Wii after E3. Nobody could have guessed how the reception was going to be after Nintendo unveiled the Wii's games and its gameplay.

But if Midway's VP meant that they didn't develop games for the Wii because Nintendo was quiet about it, I'd have to call bull on that. They could've easily come to Nintendo, say that they're interested in developing games for it, and they'd get more information to make games with. Ubisoft, Sega, and others did it, now why can't Midway?

people should stop quoting wikipedia as it's quite far of being a reliable source... most of the info is not verified & crosschecked as it should be... i.e. soulcalibur2 on GameCube alone sold more than PS2+XBox versions, Namco said so... #69 digitalFrequencysaid: "And yeah, in my eyes Gamecube is pretty dead. Gamecube didn't seem to have anything "innovative" to offer and because of that, it just blatantly lost in comparison to PS2 and Xbox." so you're saying that Nintendo who sold nearly as most GameCubes as MS sold XBoxes lost to MS?!?!?!?! lol, then you're also implying that it was the iclusion of something "innovative" that made the PS2 & XBox "win"... well, I'll give you that despite the virtuous hatred i nurture against MS, they implemented the best on-line service at that time, though far from being good, else there wasn´t anything the PS2 could do that the GameCube couldn't, on the contrary, GamCube was technically far superior to the PS2, the success of the PS2 was only due to the perception that the console was the best, the overload of games( most of them infamous, very few decent & a handfull of them really good...), and oceans of money spent in marketing, advertisement, sponsors & shelf space in stores´... somtimes I do like feeding the trolls, always fun to see them getting an indigestion ;)

Eidos said the gamecube version of Lego Star Wars was a best seller. Guess what I would rather what the developer said about the sales numbers then someone posting to wikipedia.

Namco said the gamecube version was the best selling of Soul Calibur 2.

Numerous developers admitted the gamecube versions of their multiconsole ports outsold the other ones or were about dead even.

Resident Evil 4 on the PS2 didn't sell millions more then the Gamecube version did.

Funny how in a lot of cases the PS2's supposed vastly superior user base didn't buy more then the gamecube versions did.

Many series that should have continued on the gamecube had far better sales then the PS2 versions yet the game series was continued on the PS2 where it sold worse then if it had been ported to the gamecube.

Well with RE4 on PS2 you have to remember it also came out near 10 months after it did on GC... thus the hype surrounding it died down immensely.

I think its like that for many multiplat games that come out MONTHS later, for instance i bet you that godfather for the 360 wont sell nearly as well as godfather for the PS2/Xbox, the games old news now.

and as much as I love GC, just because 2 games sold better on it than its competitors it hardly cause to say that GC multiplat titles outperform PS2/GC multiplat titles, because its simply not true.

Those two games in question RE4/Soul Calibur were pretty much designed from the ground up to be better on GC. SC2's GC character was immensely more popular than either Heihachi or Spawn, its link for crying out loud, which version would YOU buy if you had multiple consoles? (I bought the GC one myself in both cases RE4/SC2).

as for lego star wars, i believe the game sold well across the board, never heard of it outselling the ps2 or xbox versions myself but then i haven't seen any numbers.

I must say though when GC DID get a hugely popular game, it always sold well, which is good, but i guess one could say there weren't that many games to get compared to PS2 though, which is true in Both GC and xbox case, thats the one area where PS2 dominated them, selection.

"Publishers to miss boat if Wii sells well this holiday"

'IF' Wii sells well?
IF??

Ha.
How 'bout 'WHEN'.

Change that title to:
"Publishers to miss boat WHEN Wii sells well this holiday"

But don't worry. Even if they do miss the boat there will be plenty of liferafts for them to get back on.

In the end, when it's all said & done & the smoke has cleared, EVERYBODY will be on the Wiiwagon.

Biased commentary?
Absolutely.
But it's also correct.
You'll know what I mean by 2009.
John Lucas

There were more than 2 multiplatform games that sold better on gamecube than PS2/Xbox. This happened with some capcom titles and especially sega titles.

Yet to be redundant PS2 and Xbox still got the more interesting exclusives that didn't perform as well as they should.

People need to stop getting caught in the media hype and talking about the consoles as a race or a war. Truth is the only "losers" (if there was such a thing) last gen was microsoft who failed to make a decent profit while selling SLIGHTLY more consoles than nintendos most profitable hardware. And Sega who everyone forgets was part of the same generation.

Even with a supposed 90+ million installed userbase, titles still struggle to sell over a million units on PS2. This tells me that simply having a title on PS2 is not a magic bullet.

It also confuses me when publishers say things like, we want to target the biggest audience, so we'll release the game on xbox and PS2 only, as if to say that releasing a GC version suddenly removes 20 million players from the equation?? Or nintendo gamers only play nintendo games, yet third paries do have million sellers on the platform. Or theres no online, as if to say the game has no single player mode, and what about the other 20 million xbox owners that dont have live will they also be unable to play the game???

In my opinion publisher need to get smarter. They've yet to realize that playing the numbers game and releasing everything on PS2 doesnt work. They need to learn to better read their target audience, as opposed to sterotyping them. They need to realize that by making an xbox game live centric and giving the impression you need online as a vital component of the game they are limiting themselves to a max potential of 2 million sales. Considering that bigger games have struggled to sell to million units on PS2 larger installed base is that a "safe" move??

When publishers start to realize that the biggest risk they are taking is "playing it safe", and stereotyping audiences, maybe they'll be able to make some money.

Resident evil sold on GC, 4 probably would have sold more if they hadnt announced the PS2 version the day before release, just another puzzling move this gen but thats for another time. Yet publishers still didnt take notice. Okami looks like a game that the GC audience would eat up. A part of me hoped it would flop on PS2 just so capcom would learn a lesson especially after viewtiful joe didnt do as well on PS2.

If publishers miss the boat this holiday season it won't be anything new. They are always missing the boat, because they think in stereotypes, fall prey to the big numbers instead researching the little ones, they just look at the end result and move along instead of looking into the cause.

For midway to say they didnt receive information early enough tells me that they simply didnt commit to wii early enough.

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North American sales figures are flawed, so the only people who really know how many sales of their games/systems are the publishers.

Even if Soul Calibur sold more in the long run on the PS2, it sold better on the Gamecube at first, which is why many people were confused that they made Soul Calibur 3 a PS2 exclusive.