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Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:30AM (Unverified) said

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you only need *ONE*...

1. If you know what you are writting about "Tell the Truth and Nothing But the Truth"...

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:31AM (Unverified) said

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I'll take some of that free stuff off your hands to better your journalism...

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:39AM (Unverified) said

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Quick! Someone foreward this to G4TV!

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:42AM (Unverified) said

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You know, I started reading this article thinking that was about "How to Suck at game journalism", so when I read the list of things, I was like "are these guys dumb?". XD

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:45AM (Unverified) said

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Who the hell does this guy think he is? The only thing that this article is doing is generating a lot of hits for their website. That was the only goal of this article.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:49AM (Unverified) said

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Bob gets a star, end of discussion.

~HotShotX

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:50AM (Unverified) said

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How not to suck at video game journalism top 1

1. have common sense

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 1:17AM (Unverified) said

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Quick! Someone send this to some of the "former" bloggers at Joystiq.

:-P

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 1:28AM (Unverified) said

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How to suck at video game journalism.....

Blog for joystiq!

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 1:54AM (Unverified) said

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Quite ironic that a journalist criticising the state of his occupation would choose to headline his article "Why Videogame Journalism Sucks". Neither creative, nor unique. It reads like an Xbox.com forum thread title.

Actaully, I find the use of the word 'suck' to be quite offensive, as if he is addressing an audience of 14 year-old Halo 2 fanboys.

Kettle. Pot. Black. Sucks.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 2:21AM (Unverified) said

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I may mock you guys with my previous post but being a H_U_G_E George Carlin fan...I have to give you guys mad props for using his as a reference.

^5

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 3:29AM (Unverified) said

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Damn I thought the *Tennies* over at the G4 OT forums were "Brutal"...

You guys got em beat by miles...

hehehehe

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 4:48AM (Unverified) said

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Take notes Joystiq! (bring on the negative stars.)

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 4:52AM (Unverified) said

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How do you take measures to improve your writing besides attending a community college journalism workshop/class? :)

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 5:18AM (Unverified) said

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@14

Practise, practise, practise...

Spell checker, thesaurus and grammar - or is it grammer :) - correction are your friends

And read as many books as you can. Whatever you do, do not learn from reading forum posts :)

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 5:20AM (Unverified) said

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Ok, this is retarded and maybe Joystiq needs to take their own advice. Joystiq blows, end of discussion.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 5:48AM Pal said

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Keep reader interest, spell check and grammar check. The end.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 5:52AM meegoo said

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Maybe it wasn't the best choice to mock this article. Joystiq isn't exactly a bastion of fine journalism. Maybe it's just because the site is related to AOL which infects everything it touches with it's crappyness. In fact I'll just assume it's that, I'd rather not convince myself that the Joystiq staffers just aren't all that good at their jobs.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 8:20AM (Unverified) said

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"Ok, this is retarded and maybe Joystiq needs to take their own advice. Joystiq blows, end of discussion."

Joystiq blows, and yet here you are, giving up some of your time to leave a comment. Sorry to single out this one comment, but I guess it can't blow that much, huh? One would imagine that a site that blows probably doesn't warrant people's time. But hey, comments like these seem to be par for the course these days on Joystiq.

How about instead of 8th grade "you suck" comments, people start contructively criticizing the site and offering some level-headed advice? If people can't do that yet, don't worry, it will come with more schooling, and if not, there's an Army that needs some warm bodies in the U.S.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 8:38AM (Unverified) said

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Did you guys decide on a whim to spice up a slow, angsty day at the office by ripping into your coleagues, peers and (quite possibly) workmates?

Sorry, but you know that shit's off limits because it makes you look like biased arses who need to work on your collective writing skills, right?

Sorry. It means you're lying about your writing ability.

Sorry. It means you suck.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 8:47AM (Unverified) said

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For roughly five years, I've been saying to people that most online games journalism wouldn't see the light of day in a print magazine. The vast majority of online games writing is poorly edited (or not edited at all; the author just pastes their MS Word document into a CMS and hits Publish without anyone else checking it over), poorly researched and written by people who don't have a clue about basic journalistic principles. Oh, and name me one major games website or network that uses a style guide (seriously, I'm curious).

On the other hand, most print magazines shiver at the thought of printing a review with a score of seven or less, because that game's publisher is an important client and the magazine would very much like to run its ads in the next issue.

Put simply, games journalism needs to change. No more shortcuts, and more backbone.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 9:07AM Bedpanjohn said

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geez... i hope the joystiq writers get paid well because they have to put up with a lot of sh-t.

I don't think article was posted because its a slow news day... i am thinking its because of the 10% of people that post comments on here that need a lot of help to write better comments.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 9:25AM (Unverified) said

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@J B Cougar

I think a lot of people visit this site for quantity not quality. It doesn't matter if the write-ups are inflammatory, "biased," amateur etc. since they post the link to the real news article. This is the same reason Slashdot or Digg can generate so much traffic. Think of Joystiq as more of an RSS agreggator and you can easily overlook the flaws. At least the writers here add their own opinions to the news they find on other sites, unlike Slashdot et al.

I must admit, though, former poster Vladimir Cole and DSFanboy writer David Hinkle were/are by far the most annoying. Joystiq is much better than it could be.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 9:44AM chrisgrant said

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Zac: you sound like someone with a plethora of opinions and not a lot of knowledge. Of course gaming websites have style guides. We have a rather extensive style guide (insert "O RLY? JOYSTIQ IS GHEY AND SUX" joke here).

And Zebra, Vlad is still around. He's on summer hiatus. If you're really so cynical as to believe we write things to intentionally create strife, you're probably a very angry person. And if you think of us as some sort of REALLY inefficient RSS aggregator, you're missing the point.

JB Cougar, thanks!

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 10:08AM (Unverified) said

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You made some great points in this article. I will try to improve with my writing.

http://www.maddengeneration.blogspot.com

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 10:17AM (Unverified) said

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Actually, though we're on hiatus as well due to technical problems, Netjak uses a style guide. I should know; I wrote it. I actually need to revise it with the upcoming consoles.

As for tips for better journalism, I've got one - please analyze the facts and present your analysis thoughtfully. Journalism is more than just spitting out facts. We've got encyclopedias to do that. Journalism is about taking the facts and using them to find the truth. And to find the truth, you need to properly analyze the facts.

Also, keep in mind that as a journalist, your ultimate loyalty lies with the truth. I love games, but I devote myself to the truth above all else. It's what I'd ask of any journalist in any field, so I find it fair that I demand it of myself moreso than anyone else.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 10:20AM (Unverified) said

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In defense of Joystiq, et al.:

The headline was actually very good. I have my doubts about how many people here have spent any real part of their lives working with headlines, but the main point is to quickly convey the gist of the article and to provoke some interest. This headline does both.

As for the article itself, I think that it was a good choice and reasonably well-handled. Not only has this been a relatively hot topic recently in online games journalism, but it's also an important issue. Sure, Joystiq didn't really contribute much to the discussion, and they certainly could have avoided belittling what is a very real problem, but the fact that they passed the story around and kept it fresh in the minds of readers and writers in the field is commendable.

As for the quality of the humor: Well I guess I'll chalk that up to different strokes for different folks.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 10:22AM (Unverified) said

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Q: What do you call a journalist that doesn't want to save the world?
A: A niche journalist (no, not a dinosaur!)

Thanks for at least not getting overly moralistic and politicized on us!

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 10:41AM (Unverified) said

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For god's sake... Joystiq is a blog, made (i'm guessing here) by normal people, not professional journalists...
They can express their opinions the way they want to. That's what blogs are all about... easy and informal ways to get the news... not a deep analisys of all of it's ramifications... geez

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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@Gabriel

Chris Buffa's op-ed is appropriately self-critical, and calls for only positive change. There’s nothing to fear from what he’s selling, and there’s no benefit in becoming a blogging apologist.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 11:16AM (Unverified) said

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@ Bryan

Ok, I know that.. But I don't see Joystiq as gaming journalism. As someone said, Joystiq mostly link to real journalistic work (god or bad is anyone's to decide) and summarize and/or express opinion about it.
I'm not saying it shouldn't improve, but aside from interviews and some articles, there's no journalistic effort behind it (at least I see it that way). I go for gameindustry, ou next-gen when I want serious analysis about the industry.
Blogs like Joystiq are just a fun way to get to the news and read what other people think.

I'm not saying Joystiq is right, it's just that I don't think we could throw in it gaming press hell since it's not press at all.
It all depends on how one sees it

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 11:18AM medeasin said

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@Gabriel:

Yes, joystiq is "just a blog" but they all too frequently take puerile shots at other gaming media outlets that are far more professional and well-written.

The info and timing at joystiq is definitely with the best of them. The personal ego and lack of objectivism of some writers takes joystiq down several notches though.

Number 7 "Check your ego at the door" should not have been "shortened" from the list. While ego works for personal blogs and personality-focused TV shows (looking at you G4TV), it does not work for gaming journalism where we want info, not ego.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 11:23AM medeasin said

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Constructively, joystiq could look a lot more professional if they just embraced and worked with other gaming media sources (including print and TV) instead of the occasional inferiority complex rant against them.

[Not pertaining to this article but several prior ones.]

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 11:25AM (Unverified) said

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this doesn't need to be sent to 1up.com

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 12:03PM (Unverified) said

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C. Grant:

I suppose "RSS aggregator" was a bad analogy. Joystiq is more like a gaming forum where only the mods get to start threads. As such some of the comments (including some of the write-ups) contain inflammatory statements. Whether these statements show the opinions of the mods or are there to fan the flames and up the comment counts I really can't tell.

As Gabriel said, aside from a few interviews (which are usually well done) and articles this really is just a place to see what gaming news sites have been posting recently. In order to change that (in my opinion) Joystiq would have to have a great deal more original content, preferably posted by someone with professional experience in the gaming industry.

As long as the people posting topics have as little or less real working experience in the gaming industry than those commenting in the topics, there will be a significant lack of respect for "authority" on this site.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 1:09PM omdata said

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I'm a little dismayed that not allowing corporate goodies/glad-handing to influence your writing was wayyy down at number 9...

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 1:26PM Hubertus Bigend said

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How about adding "make it very clear when you are talking about loosy goosy rumors vs. information that has been actually confirmed by someone who actually knows something". Nothing wrong with talking about rumors, but a fair bit of stuff here gets couched in tone and style that would make you think that is a confirmed fact. Engadget walks this line very well, usually making it abundantly clear in the first 15 words that 'this a totally unsubstantiated rumor but we think its interesting so we are going to talk about it'.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 2:09PM ZeroCorpse said

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My number one gripe: Reviewers who use (or misuse) the phrase "it's a mixed bag" in EVERY FRACKING REVIEW.

"It's a mixed bag" is not a clever phrase. It's lazy writing. It's the stupidhead way to say "it varies". Another weak version of this is "your mileage may vary."

Just say the gameplay varies. Just say it's not consistent. Just say ANYTHING but "mixed bag" or making comparisons to my mileage.

Game journalists write like they never took a damned English class, and instead are just copying each other's style.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 3:16PM (Unverified) said

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That article was atrocious.

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 4:11PM (Unverified) said

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Ooohhh I think number one you wont be sux will be.
1. Say good stuff about Wii Nintendo

Posted: Aug 1st 2006 4:30PM (Unverified) said

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Wow, I mean, I knew that the people who post on Joystiq are bitchy...in fact, most vocal gamers are catty and bitchy, but seriously people. I realize gaming journalism is not terrirfic journalism, but it gives you the news and the criticisms that you value, regardless of lack-luster writing styles, etc.

Intelligent criticism is fine but the "Oh my gawd, joystiq just sux so much, what a bunch of hypocrites" comments are pointless and, ironicly enough, mildly hypocritical.

"How not to suck at gaming forum posts":
1.Remove stick from ass...

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