PS3: Pros and cons up until now

Another thing to keep in mind about Blu-Ray (now I can't 100% confirm this but I read it in GI I believe). A normal DvD consists of 3 layers...the top layer, a middle information layer, and a bottom protective layer. Now the reason why a Blu-Ray disc hold so much is they consist of the top layer, a middle info layer, and a 2nd info layer on the bottom. Now hold on a minute that means that these discs won't have a piece of plastic on the bottom helping it to be scratch resistant. Well I hope all you PS3 fanboys have fun with your games that won't work after a couple months of play spending 80 bucks a disc.

Ok for the sake of.. well honesty I have a 360 & I think it's great. There I said it. I'm not a Micro$oft fan boy though, my pc's all run Linux. Now thats out of the way on to my point(s).
(1)I hope it's more reliable than the PS/PS2 espcially for that kind of money.
(2)Blue Ray will affect the base line production costs. Gee the discs only cost X amount? What about the new facilities and technology to burn the discs en mass? Yeah it's going to cost.
(3)The cell processors aren't really designed for games..
(4)As is demonstrated by the lack of bandwith in the PS3.. Sorry but it's like 50hz quicker than a 360 but has comparativley tiny bandwidth?? What were sony thinking?
(5)....having said all that I hope it rocks. I won't be buying one but my Sony fan mates will. The more good systems out there the better!
Personally I'll be sticking with the ol' 360 (& getting a Wii!)

the DS'current sucess against the pitiful psp is certain foreshadowing of how the wii will pan out against the ps3. The sucess is showing nintendo that people do appreciate fun, innovate and interactive games.

Sony's arrogance is going to land them 3rd place this round in the console wars.

lol @ Dracula Jones #33 (Give him/her a star for that)

I think that is *exactly* why it is shaped that way.
"Treat the PS3 with the respect it deserves."
"It's a computer, for crying out loud."

I can't wait to get one.

sony's already losing their ps3 exclusives, and they're gonna keep losing them. when kojima sees 2 million ps3s sold, (due to a much more problematic launch than even the xbox360) and is trying to release mgs4, he's going to be pissed. guess what? time to reconsider porting it to the 360 (which will then be in 7 million homes, if they have a mediocre holiday season) where he can actually make money on the biggest project of his entire life.

all the while wii will sell like hotcakes to the potential ps3 owners best friend, big sister, grandfather, and great uncle.

-"superfan" tactics.

the current krazy ken reminds me of the then nintendo honcho, Hiroshi Yamauchi.

Example,

1. "[People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games", RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."

2. "I have been saying this for some time, but customers are not interested in grand games with higher-quality graphics and sound and epic stories. Only people who do not know the videogame business would advocate the release of next-generation machines when people are not interested in cutting-edge technologies."

3. anyone remember those expensive only-nintendo-manufacture n64 cartriges?

and the list goes on... the result? Ninnytendo64, GC and virtual boy.

When company fails to evolve, so do their products. The ds (not entirely sure) and wii showed that the godfather should be replaced by a younger ppl with more energy and new ideas. Better bow out with dignity than being obselete.

ps. When did sony EVER back a winner in the 'format wars' Blu ray fans brace your selves to own the modern day equivalent of Eight Track, Betamax, laser disc and Mini Disc(as a main stream product) I'm not saying Sony backed all of these BTW I'm just using examples...

See here for a bit of a comparison thatI found. http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
Sorry if it's old news!
But looking at the stats here 360 wins the tech battle.
Still games & cost are important.. what with sony opting for a new & expensive technology and losing all their decent exclusive titles too... doh!

Sony had no choice but to bundle PS3 with BluRay... it's a doomed format and they needed to move some units to reach critical mass before all their R&D assets hit the toilet. PS3 will keep BluRay afloat in the short term, but the format will ultimately fail (UMD anyone?)

The disks have plenty of space...but use a lower quality video codec when compared to the competion. BD-ROM movies for example will cost more, look slightly worse, and won't have the room for special features, etc. that others provide for less money.

It's [PS3] going to be a great platform for gamers and for not-lazy, smart developers.

Do you have any idea what is already involved in creating a video game for a current platform? I worked in modeling/animation at a well known firm a few years back, developing games for the PS2/Gamecube. At crunch time I would put in 90-110 hours a week! And I would hardly call anyone at that studio lazy.

Your assumptions are way off base. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. With the amount of new processing power involved and the amount of extra work that has to be done. An AAA title on the PS2 might only add up to the combined work of a C-B tilte on the PS3. That is one of the reasons I quit this industry. There is no way i'm about to drop 90-110 hours during crunch time only to develop a C-B title.

In retrospect just to allocate the time Vs. Rewards for a PS3 title, my last employer we would have had to add 25 more people to staff just so at crunch time we could have kept the 90-110 hour weeks. In theory with every title created (at least 1-2 generation games) we would have had to work 110-130 hour work weeks! That just isn't going to happen. Anyone in their right minds aren't going to sacrifice like that for a video game that might not even add up to a AAA title.

So learn what the hell you are talking about before opening your mouth. Lazy my ass... Get a job working 90-100 hours and then come back and talk about lazy... Freakin nub.

Please archive this and Article and others like it , and make sure you revisit them in say 2 years. I am cusioud what the reaction will be. in 2 years, blu ray could be very competitive (and maybe cheaper) for stoge density per $(or Cent). And the exclusivity could drive some very specific game that can't be ported over to the other consoles. Who knows, this " its a whole entertainment system " Might just come true. 3 years ago, would you have seen the revolution that the Ipod created?

Heavens! There is alot of misinformation here. These are my takes on common misconceptions.

#1 DMC4 [the game] is still PS3 exclusive.

@bv - posting FUD [even if it was unintentional] about there being no more exclusive titles is more than a lil suspect. Yes, you did correct yourself, but the damage is already done; most people won't read far enough through the article to see your retraction.


#2 The Nintendo seal of quality is on nearly every game published including their horrible third party games. If the box contains the normal Nintendo branding on it, it has the seal too. They go hand-in-hand.

#3 Yes there are horrible PS1/ PS2 games, but that's something thats applicable across the board. However during its tenure, the playstation line [except for the PSP] has consistently had more games sell a million units than its competitors. When it comes to the catalogs, judge a title by how many people wish to spend their money playing it, not by game ratings.

#4 Equally powerful HD-DVD add-on? The xbox360 is incapable of displaying 1080p resolution via component or HDMI. The xbox360 is incapable of being HDCP compatible, once studios enable the ICT, your HD-DVD add-on will be completely useless since you can't play games on HD-DVD.

#5 Equally powerful hardware? No one outside the developers under NDA have seen the strengths and weakness of the final dev-kit, and certainly no final hardware. Since there are no completed titles yet, how can they be compared?

#6 MGS4 will not be on the xbobx360. Hideo Kojima has since gone on the record that MGS4 will be only for playstation.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=139826&skip=yes

There are gameplay features that are not technically possible on the xbox360
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=140990&skip=yes

#7 Blu-ray discs support being dual layer. 1st gen HD-DVDs are dual layer because some content exceeds the single layer; meaning that they have to be dual layer. Blu-ray is "losing" quality wise because they are using mpg2 encoding instead of h.264 or VC-1. Whereas HD-DVD players are using the higher compression now; once again, because they have to fit content on the smaller discs. This is a publishers choice. Both formats support the exact same compression methods.

#8 Outside of Endless Saga [a game that never left the design stage, and is being replaced by another PS3 project from Webzen, anyways] No other games have dropped out of development.

#9 The lesser read speed of the Blu-ray drive is supposed to be supplemented by the "guaranteed there" availability to cache to the harddrive.

#10 Blu ray discs have a special scratch resistant coating thats supposedly able to withstand an attack from screwdriver. Read up on durabis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durabis. DVDs on the other hand are much more fragile.

#11 Many Sony formats served their purpose. Sony made their money back from each format. MiniDiscs won over millions of customers for years, until mp3 players came along. Beta is still being used to some extent. Memorystick is taking off due to PSP sales and their increased camera sales. 3.5 floppy, DVD and CD are decisive winners.

We shall see. So far, rats have been jumping ship on the PS3 boat.

Sorry, but the "Cons" list is jsut plain retarded. Not only is it repetitive, but you list things as cons that are no different with the PS3 than with any other system, as well as cons that are NOT CONS. Let's refine this, shall we?

"Cost: we've said it a million times"

Agreed. This is not only a major deal-breaker for a lot of people, it could seriously hurt the future of the console (no matter how necessary it may be, based on production costs).

"Blue-Ray: too expensive storage medium"

Why isn't this factored under "Cost"? This seems merely to be padding for the Cons list (which is already shorter than the Pros list). Strike that one and imply its inclusion with number 1, and your list is down to 8.

"Size: the thing is big"

Apparently, the thing is not really any bigger than the original Xbox. How many people didn't buy the Xbox based on size? Riiight. Plus, you can 't expect a Wii-sized PS3, with all the stuff in the PS3. This is not worthy of being on a Cons list. Take this one out. And now we're down to 7.

"High game prices"

Again, this is only repeating number 1. Not only that, but it's virtually the exact same complaint as number 2, only worded differently. Gone. Down to 6.

"Architecture: Cell is too unique and could cause developer problems"

I don't think this is a major deal (at least not as big as people like to make it out to be), but I'll let you have this one, since it is a valid issue.

"No rumble"

Another good one. I think the lack of rumble is my biggest concern overall about Sony's next console. I know I'll definately miss it, and it could very well be a deciding factor in some cases between whether or not I buy a game for the Xbox 360 or the PlayStation 3 (depending on whether I value rumble of motion sensing for that particular game). Definately leave this one.

"Even with redundancy, PS3 might have high defects at launch"

Are you kidding me? Did you seriously put this on the list? What product doesn't run a risk of technical difficulties when it first comes out? This is like saying you're scared of walking because you might trip and fall. Ridiculous, especially considering the thing hasn't launched yet. Take it out. Down to 5.

"Despite its strengths, the PS3 will only be marginally better than its competitors "

So the fact that it will be better than its competitors, even if only marginally (ALLEGEDLY) is a con? What are you on? Poof. Down to 4.

"Ken Kutaragi (will ruin the PS3?)"

... Ok? The Engineer of the two most successful consoles in the video game history will ruin the PS3? I don't understand how him engineering his own console will be a bad thing. That doesn't even almost belong there.

So our list is down to 3.

1. Too expensive
2. May be difficult to develop for
3. No rumble.

Yeah, that's more like it.





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@apoc06 -

>There are gameplay features that are not technically possible on the xbox360.

From the actual article - "Snake's suit will change form and colour depending on his surroundings. As revealed by Kojima, this will happen automatically when Snake is immobile, and apparently the its fancy graphical effect is only possible on the PlayStation 3." 'the its' is NOT a typo on my part - that's directly from the article. And that's a load of crap - it's simply a programming feature, similar to anyone using a chameleon (sp?) spell in Morrowind or Oblivion. You could program that on a 360 or PC.

My take on this is simple. The 360 came out last year, uncontested, had some issues, and has resolved them. Now it's on to game play and other accessories, time to move on in the world.

This year the Wii will come out, and it's NOT going to be in the same category of video output at PS3 or 360, so they will sell their consoles and move on.

Hopefully this year the PS3 will come out. What is this supposed to be, first and foremost? Oh, that's right - a GAME console. Not a movie player. Not a computer. Isn't it supposed to be, first and foremost, about the games?

Now - what normally happens when Sony releases just about anything? They release it in Japan first because that way, when they have launch errors, they can fix them before sending them on to the rest of the world. Why? Because the Japanese will not make the same fuss that Americans and Europeans will when their high priced piece of electronics goes on the fritz.

Imagine the hue and cry if PS3 has the same initial failure rate as the 360. (And personally, I expect it to be higher.) Since there were only 250,000 360 consoles sold launch day, for 7,500 bad ones, PS3 is expecting to sell 1,000,000 consoles - which means 30,000 bad ones ones - or more. Just how loud will the screaming be?

And for everyone who thought that the 360 ran hot? Wait for the PS3 and the meltdowns...

Joystiq, most of the comments are great for your weekly fanboy chatter...

Darth "fanboy" "nub" Pixel got owned by Stick_Man

@ anon rep:

Not a shot at Oblivion or anything, but those are his own words. MGS is an action game that requires many on-screen actions at once. I haven't developed for the PS3/X360 and neither have you. There is no telling how the actual gameplay focuses around that effect. For now I will just take his word that its more complex than the x360 can handle. Even the ps1 [MGS1] could handle simpler chameleon effects. I think a designer of his caliber would use something more credible as his reasoning if what he was talking about is as simple as your Oblivion example.

For instance, there are millions of xbox games that have simulated rainfall, but when ported to the xbox MGS2 was not able to handle the rainfall in the tanker stage well.

Does that mean that the ps2 is more powerful than the xbox? Of course not. It just means that particular effect of the engine worked better on the ps2 [where it was designed] Both systems will have their strengths. MGS4 is being programmed towards the PS3's strengths. The reason most multiplatform games live in the shadow of first party games is that they don't necessarily play towards a particular strength of a platform; instead they tend to loosen specialization in favor of better portability. Its a design thing thats true of any form of software development.

My whole point there was that MSG4 will only be on PS3. It is a direct statement from the designer and creative controller himself. That makes it exclusive. Only Kojima knows if his technical reasoning is true or not. Now, I hope that all of the wishful thinking turned rumor FUD goes away.

I would argue and say that blu ray is a bad thing because 1)Its not proven and not a standard, and 2)New format means its going to have a pretty slow read speed with incredibly high capacities. The 10-20% Cell yield rates is incredibly bad. I would also argue the competition's alternatives to what the PS3 offers as cons. However, the Playstation name in Japan means more then Xbox ever will.

BTW #2, MGS4 would be under strong 3rd party support.

1080p?

Has nobody pointed out that this doesnt actually mean anything. No TV on the market can run 1080p60, only 1080p30 and lower (and very few of them actually support that rez natively).

Now the kicker is that most of these TVs that do support 1080p30 can also convert a 1080i60 signal to 1080p30 without any loss of image quality (as long as the input is running at 30fps)

So I really dont see how 1080p is an advantage, and from what I hear very few developers support it as it wasn't available in early dev-kits (no idea if its in current ones - one would hope so)

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Sony as unreliable? I have had my PS2 for 6+ years. I have never had an issue with it. I have taken it on field excercises and deployments in south America.

Who buys an cars, electronics, etc.. at launch? Fans. Who waits a year until the bugs are worked out? Everyone else. If you are worried about quality, don't waste your time complaining. Just wait a year after launch and you will get a bulletproof machine at a lower price. If you want the latest and greatest, just buy the PS3 at launch. I am sure Sony will be taking care of warranty items pretty quickly.

Lackluster online play? Barely more powerful than XBox360? The thing isn't even out for another 4 months, and youre already judging its ability/services? Shame on you, Joystiq.

'1# Cost: we've said it a million times'

Its not that dear, and I don't have a lot of money. Sick of people wanting everything for nothing. Go stick to your cheap ass Wii. The Wii will be cheaper because that's all its worth. I beleive Nintendo fanboys would buy a Wii despite how much it cost. Same with Sony and Microsoft fanboys.

'#3 Size: the thing is big'

The xbox was big. I don't see ya point. You store the PS3 under the TV and play it.

'#4 High game prices'

You know this for a fact do you? No one knows how much the games will cost. Buy a used copy a few weeks later after release, you should get 15% off.

'#6 No rumble'

Big deal, I never cared about rumble in the first place, I always turn mine off on the PS2. If a rumble feature was never in any joypad then we wouldn't have bothered to much if one company announced it for their joypads.

'#8 Despite its strengths, the PS3 will only be marginally better than its competitors'

I assume you mean graphicaly. You have not seen what the final gmes will look like. In my opinion I think some of the PS3 launch games are looking just as good if not better than 360's second generation of games that are out this fall. Even though they say its easy to develop on the PS3 than it was on the PS2, the developers are going to find it harder to make games for the PS3 (many of them enjoy the challenge)than on 360. We're probably seeing the near full potential off the 360 because developers are finding it easy to make the games for it, they can already take advantage of it. While the PS3 is a huge learning curve for developers, just look at the games they have managed to acheive. What I'm saying is, wait to the developers get to know the PS3 and you'll se what it can do. For an example, you only need to look at this gen. Look how the games looked on the PS2 at the begining at how they looked towards the end. There is a huge difference in graphics. If we do this to Xbox, the differnce isn't as big.

'#9 Ken Kutaragi (will ruin the PS3?)'

State how he will ruin the PS3? You know nothing about the guy or what his plans are for the PS3. This is the guy behind PS1 and PS2 and he didn't ruin them, they were a triumph. There was a lot of false promises, but I beleive when he says it, he means it. So Ok it never make it into the final product doesn't mean he and his team didn't try.

I would say the expectation for the system to have a long supported lifespan is a huge plus. If it does or not is just as much speculation as many of the other pro's/cons but its an important element.
That gives people plenty of time to really become familiar with the system over the time. This also means that sony isnt going to be trying to cram a new system down your throat in a year or two completly disregarding the market that just adopted it.
I know a lot of people just now getting around to getting a ps2 or a GC. Note i didnt include the xbox in that since MS made a concious decision to kill off any casual gamer that wants to take advantage of the large existing library.
The console will go through 2 main strategies. The first being the showing off what it can do as a current gen. Which if thats what you want you have the money for it. Then as hd tvs settle in more they get a larger 3rd party support and an existing library it will compete directly with what ever the second gen nintendo/casual gamer platform happens to be at a much more approachable price to the public.

@ #32

Resident Evil 5: Also comming out on Xbox 360

Assasins Creed: Now an Xbox 360 Exclusive.

Honestly, with all the games comming out of the 360 and many exclusive franchises moving over. It seems the PS3 may have a harder time than it's predicessors

This year all i plan to buy is my HDTV, more games for my360, and a Wii.

Sony is losing my support behind their system.

Grimm said 50. "Another thing to keep in mind about Blu-Ray (now I can't 100% confirm this but I read it in GI I believe). A normal DvD consists of 3 layers...the top layer, a middle information layer, and a bottom protective layer. Now the reason why a Blu-Ray disc hold so much is they consist of the top layer, a middle info layer, and a 2nd info layer on the bottom. Now hold on a minute that means that these discs won't have a piece of plastic on the bottom helping it to be scratch resistant. Well I hope all you PS3 fanboys have fun with your games that won't work after a couple months of play spending 80 bucks a disc."

If you don't know, don't talk. It has been said that you can't scratch a Blu-Ray disc so it will not play. It is a HUGE plus in Blu-Ray's favor.

Everyone who is talking about price of games and how there is no evidence. F*CK! Sony said it themselves, games will be $10 to $15 more than what the 360 games are. So, yes, expect $70 to $75 games for the life of the console!

DinnyHoon, seriously, did you even read the news post before you posted. It says in the post "Associated Content explores Sony's pros and cons in how they've handled their PS3 campaign up until now," which means that this list of items was not picked by Joystiq, which in turn means you can't insult them for it.

One thing that has always bugged me is how BWC is a "pro." I still have that same "huge library of games" without needing to spend the $600. I just keep my current-gen system and use the $600 to go get some of the quality games I missed from not having the money at that time, and for the PS2, spending that money should not be hard at all.

I still believe that the 1080p will become a bigger factor as the consoles age. 720 is the current norm but LCDs are dropping fast in price and they are now offering such resolutions for less than two grand. With that, the PS3 will have a slight edge. However, it won't be with games. People seem to think of the system solely as a game console, and are forgetting the extra stuff that Sony is sneeking in to that admittedly large box.
If rumors are to be believed, this thing will double as a PVR, a linux computer (that 1080p will be nice on the monitor/tv), a Blue Ray player (without having to buy an additional, external drive)and act like a media hub. To me, those alone sound like $600 bucks worth...oh wait! It plays kick ass games too!

While I'm dismayed at the minor success the PSP has attained vs. the DS, I happily own one and love the fact that it is doing the same thing that the PS3 is trying to do... be more than just a console. I'll admit that I'm more ignorant about the 360's capabilities, but as far as I know it simply doesn't offer the capabilities that the PS3 does in terms of versatility outside of pure gaming. The real downside to Sony's strategy is that there may not be enough consumers looking for this kind of a solution. I applaud them for being brave enough to test the waters, and find out how many of us there are looking for a more consolidated solution,compared to the multiple devices we have now. I'm curious to see if this is the start of a new trend in consoles with the next, next generation.

Ultimately, I see the console era dying out within a few gerations. PCs are ultimately going to replace them. This is starting to happen with media center pcs that are hooked up to the living room tv. I believe Sony realizes this and is slipping us a specialized pc in the guise of a console. How many $600 dollar pcs are out there that can do the same for so little?

I have to throw out reliability a a HUGE con against Sony. I used to have to play my PS1 upside down, I've repeatedly replaced the flaky A/V cable on my ps2, and now, the PSP I've owned for a year? The UMD drive has stopped working. The UMD drive that I'd used for maybe 6-7 hours in the lifespan of the unit before giving up on it as a crap format that kills battery life. Nice reliability. Sony's answer was that I could send it in and get a refurb for 90 dollars. Nice. I think I'm going to pass on PS3, sorry Sony.

SUCKERS!!!



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I think Sony PR is doing a great job. Everyone isn't following what is really going on (aka most of the public) is thinking that the PS3 is going to be great. Those of us who actually care about specs, performance, and how they compare to competitors are so busy talking about all the faults now so when it finally comes out we will probably be really happy because it doesn't suck as bad as we were thinking. This means everyone has a good first impression when it comes out. Sony makes money.

I posted it in spanish in:
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If Bozo Ballmer couldn't ruin the 360, I'm guessing Krazy Ken won't ruin the PS3... what an idiotic bullet point that was.. did you run out of "cons" but needed symmetry?

Cost... It is not that expensive compared to other systems.
I own a 360.
It cost $399.
XBox Live is $50 per YEAR...
To add a HD-DVD would be $200.

All of a sudden $499 for the Base PS3 sounds cheap.
The PS3 has the HardDrive standard.
PS3 has the NextGen BluRay standard.
PS3 will have online gaming for free.

I will be buying a PS3.
I will not be buying many more games for my 360.
The 360 Backwards compatibility is awful, unless you like classics like:
# Barbie™ Horse Adventures™ Wild Horse Rescue™
# Buffy the Vampire Slayer™: Chaos Bleeds
# Chicago Enforcer
# Circus Maximus
# Shamu's Deep Sea Adventures
# Toxic Grind
# Volvo: Drive for Life
# Yourself!Fitness™

Yes by Classic I am being sarcastic.
No Old Maddens, No NFL2Ks.
Star Wars Knights of the Old Rebublic is Backwards compatible but... The Sound stutters like crazy.

The PS3 will offer a huge library with the stellar backwards compatibility that Sony is known for.
The PS2 Played 99% of PS1 titles.
The XBox360 plays about 2% of Xbox Titles, that is unexcusable.

One thing that noone seems to be mentioning is that the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 will only be used to watch movies. ie: the PS3 will do game development on a disc that can store upto 50GB whereas the 360 discs are limited to DVD size. When it comes to comparing the gaming capabilities of each system comparing, talk about the HD-DVD unit for the 360 should not even be mentioned, it does nothing for the games.

Hate to say it but Sony is killing themselves with this console. As if the PSP wasnt a flop-3 price drops in the first year to get sells, the PS3 is sure on its way. With Assasin's Creed now not being propietary, GTA not being propietary and rumors of Metal Gear also making a jump to other consoles why own one. And say what you say about Square Enix but when Nintendo went with the 64 catridges and not with CD's they jumped to Sony for development reasons. With the high cost of Blu-Ray and people not wanting to pay almost 90 dollars a disc for a game, dont think they wont become 360 fanboys overnight. Plus FFXI Online is available for the 360 so they can develop for anyon they want. Plus no WiFi, no SD reader and no HDMI on the entire console is stupid especially if they plan to charge 500 bucks for it. Plus Sony is talking that you will have to have an adapter to use old game saves or even backwards compatibility, thanks but no thanks Sony.

{{{{6. The online can't be considered "still lackluster" when the idiots haven't tried it yet. They have no idea what the online is going to be like. That could be Sony's big surprise for all we know. The person who wrote that article has no idea about the online play.}}}}

Dude no-one can beat Xbox Live.

And as for Sony’s Big Surprise? Ill tell you what that is: THE PS3 IS GOING TO SUCK AND INSTEAD OF BEING AN ASSET IT WILL BE A LIABILITIE!

So basically Sony has been inferior ever since the Xbox came out.

XBOX PWNZ SONY 100%, 24 HOURS A DAY!!!