owned? only time will tell.

Meh. I doubt Capcom will ever put DMC on the 360. It just woudln't be DMC...

this is to B33:
yea it probably wouldnt be the same feel but i mean come on a lot of people thought gta would never be on the xbox and now look at it. gta iv for the 360 on day 1.

That would be dumb to put a playstation "only" game on a 360 !!! Joystiq....stop dreaming..ok. Without these exclusives, these consoles have no games that make them special. I own a 360 now and for every game that was originally a playstation title to begin with, once the PS3 hits and these games come out, i'll be buying them on my playstation instead of my 360... :)
(i bet even dead rising will come out on playstation with lots more content)

Why go exclusive in this war?

I welcome any great games onto the 360, as i'm not really planning on getting a PS3 (well maybe when MGS4 comes out) i'd like to see a lot of the past exclusives on the 360.

More and more, I'm wondering if the only difference between PS3 and 360 in the long run will be the disc format they use, BluRay or HD-DVD.

In response to comment #3:

It is very possible that capcom will release Dead Rising on the PS3. Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4 went for Gamecube Exclusives to Playstation 2 games.

I think PC fails to realize that the software companies could (unless owned by one of the three) could care less which platform their games are made on. Sales is all they want. It's what made the Metal Gear series go from a Sony exclusive to all three consoles. It'll happen again, too.

Pc, I bet you're the same kind of person who thought Final Fantasy would never be on a non-Nintendo console.

DMC3:SE is out for the PC, so the series is already not quite a Playstation exclusive.
Like with the RE and Viewtiful Joe porting craziness, I'd expect Capcom to follow the money and go multiplatform as often as they can.

Also, Dead Rising is a great game (whacked out save system and all) and I'm glad to hear it's doing well. I hope we will be seeing more PRE-release demos now, cause they do make a big difference (when they're good :-p).

Simple Math:

PS3 - Exclusives = A new 3D0 = Sayonara, Sony
Man i hope this doesn't happen, I was pissed when Rockstar betrayed GTA to MS....

@Pc Thats what people said about Res evil and where did res evil hit first thats right the game cube, it was only after poor sales on the GC that res 4 got ported to the PS2.
In fact as I remember it most of the gaming media said res4 (When it was on the GC) was s***e, but when it hit on the PS2 the gaming media did what they do best and bent over for Kenny K and his gang (Even though the graphics where dumbed down for the super advance emotion chip in the PS2),Res4 then went on to win many awards.

But as for exclusivies in this gen I think are going to be few and far between, if the developing for the PS3 and 360 are almost the same (Most developers have stated this). Then for an extra weeks worth of work they're going to have the 2 consoles covered and get even more income.

Both Sony and Microsoft are going to have to pay BIG money upfront to ensure a game is an exclusive for their system, we know MS can just throw as much money as needed, but sony with their recent money issues I'm not so sure.

So all in all another bad day for Sony fans!.

Man, nobody called RE4 for the 'cube crap. It consistantly won game of the year, and console game of the year from everybody and their sister.

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12 comments should read Thats what people said about Res evil and where did res evil 4 hit first thats right the game cube, it was only after poor sales on the GC that res 4 got ported to the PS2.

Pira, you're very uneducated.

RE4 won it's awards when it was first released on the Cube. The PS2 version wasn't really that noticed when it was noticed in the later part of 2005.

@msdarnell I stand corrected :).

EDIT: RE4 won it's awards when it was first released on the Cube. The PS2 version wasn't really that noticed when it was RELEASED in the later part of 2005.

When RE4 was release on the Cube it actually boosted GC sales.

Nter, you call him uneducated for making a mistake? you strike as loser.

This is where the 360s first mover advantage comes into play. You have developers looking at their PS3 lineup and thinking about the established customer base on 360. Once developers start thinking about this and seeing dollars, then you are going to have a challenge with exclusivity. Particularly when you think about the fact that many Devs start their project on PC systems and then finalize the project on the platform specific dev kit. Thats another reason MS was smart to make their system similar to a PC. Not only to they make it affordable to release PC games on their console (which was far less common prior to xbox), but you also end up getting a few companies to publish for your system just because they are already developing the game on a PC anyway.

I am by no means a big xbox fan and I don't particularly like MS, but give credit where credit is due. The architecture of the 360 is one of its strong points. Combine that with first mover advantage and in all honesty they are going to be tough to outsell, with regard to keeping your third party "exclusives" off their system.

Someone mentioned the word "betray" when speaking about rockstar and GTA. Thats a word I just don't agree with. You can't blame rockstar for trying to sell more games. Unless they wriggled out of an exclusivity deal, (which I don't know if they did or not), then you really have to respect a company for working to bring their game to more people.

Who says GC RE4 sold badly?! I remember it being on the top of the charts for at least 2 months(which isn't amazing, but it's not bad either)... it sold over 500,000 copies in a short period of time, though after that point the sales dropped like mad(hence the PS2 port)... which is good if you ask me.

Non exclusives is actually smart business sense for third parties. You want to maximize your investment with as much returns as possible. Exclusives should really be the domain of first parties (Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony). If you must have an exclusive, then perhaps have a timed exlusive, but even then that should only considered if subsidized by first parties.

The other important issue here is initial sales. I think there's some concern that the PS3 may not sell as well as the PS2 did in the past, because of the high initial cost. That is a very valid concern, so I'm sure some developers will take a wait and see approach to make sure the PS3 market is mature enough to support their offerings. It's a waiting game.

But anyways, if Capcom were to release titles on multiple platorms, I'm sure they would be welcomed by users of those consoles.

From what I've heard, RE4 didn't sell all that well considering the rave reviews. I mean, it's one of the best games I've ever played but I don't think they even hit the 1 million mark. Anyway, I've yet to play DMC2 or 3. I should probably pick up 3 since 2 isn't that great according to the reviews :p

Sony better hope they keep DMC because that's the only game I'm looking forward to at all that's a PS3 exclusive. I hope they bring it to 360 though, then I wouldn't have to regret getting a 360 and forgoing the PS3 for a second.

I wish NikkoCitiGroup wouldn't tease me like that though dropping names like Devil May Cry on me.

When I say poor sales I must point out I did in fact mean to the sort of sales that the prev editions had made on the PS against the GC versions.

@subnet6 You make a good point about Rockstar, they have a very very popular game, in fact the game alone can help shift systems. But its not in Rockstars best intrest to sell a console, they want to sell their game by publishing on more platforms they make more money.
But I can also see where Mr. Khan is coming from because I was a little p***ed when MGS moved from the NES to the PS.

@ 2, 3, 11 and all other Sony-bots
Capcom is not ‘betraying’ Sony (nice emotive language there, btw #11). What you don’t seem to understand is that it is not up to third party game publishers to give you an excuse to buy a PS3. Capcom and Rockstar have no inherent loyalty to the Playstation brand and no stake in it’s success. Their job is to sell as many copies of their game as they can. At the moment the 360 has proven that it is a great vehicle for selling software. Expect any non-sony owned company to take their games where the consumers are.
GTA and Assassins Creed are only the beginning of the defections. If you add the list of cancelled PS3 games and add it to the list of ex-exclusive PS3 tiles the out-look is grim for those demanding we all bow before Sony’s throne.

Sony did this to themselves when they said they didn’t really need GTA and went on to say that the PS3 would sell without any games. Looks like some people are willing to call Sony’s bluff.

In a generation where development time is longer and budgets are huge to a point where outsourcing is necessary at times, console exclusives no longer make sense.

Concerning fanboys: They are never really about the games, it seems, only the brands; otherwise, why would one put up such a fight because it is on another console where more people could enjoy the title?

RE4 sold 500,000 copies on the GC in 5 months and has reached 3 million copies sold with PS2 and GC sales combined.

And it was on this day that Rockstar betrayed Playstation. Kaz of the Hirai prayed to the Lord on High, "Oh Sony, let me be thine hand and enact retrabution for this betrayal against thine self". And our Lord Sony blessed Kaz of the Hirai, that he may defeat the 360 headed beast, giving him the Rumbleless Sword of Realtime Weapon Switching to strike down his foe.

I thought that Capcom had more of an anti-MS attitude until Dead rising came out (maybe because it's the only current console that can handle that game) because the NEVER released a Resident Evil game for the Xbox. All of them came out for Gamecube and PS2, though. When the PS3 and Wii come out, Capcom might return to that attitude.

Reguardless of what post #2 say's DMC 4 would be AWSOME on the 360 as well as many other Capcom titles!! The thing here is that the day's of one system having thrid party title's as exclusives is OVER!! MS, Sony and Nintendo will have to WOW the masses with first party games to make a gamer buy one system or the other....I, myself will own ALL 3 because I like having choice!!

If DMC4 is on the 360, I'd have no reason to buy a PS3 anymore. I'd get a 360 and a Wii.

lol at the sony fanboys stop crying dmc4 is most likely
gonna come to 360 and no thats not a bad thing because it means more revenue for capcom which inturn means more games from capcom.

I was never a big fan of Dante or Devil May Cry, so I don't really care whether it comes out on 360 or not. But, I would certainly welcome more Capcom support. Dead Rising kicks ass!

Exclusives aren't as common as they once were. Even if a game is supposed to be an exclusive, oftentimes it is simply ported when the contract runs up. The GTA games came out for XBox, RE4 came out for PS2, the Viewtiful Joes were ported to PS2, etc. I think there will be even less exclusives than there were last gen.

That could mean trouble for Sony, since they have always defined their consoles by 3rd party support. If PS3 games come out for 360 too, then whats the point of spending the extra $200 on a PS3? Between MS, Nintendo, and Sony, Sony definitely has the weakest 1st party games.

first devil may cry and assassin's creed... awesome. they're going to sell really well for the 360, no doubt.

next it'll be the beloved mgs4 and ff13 that make their ways to the 360. konami and square didn't put 100 million dollars each into development for a console install base of 2 million... heh heh heh. they're going to 360 next year to reach another 10 million.

anyone who still thinks ps3 is the system to own... wake up and get a 360. don't worry. the sony "exclusives" will ALL get ports.

-"superfan" tactics.

it'll be fun to see how things turn out when we finally see PS3 sales figures vs 360 figures by next year......especially in Japan lol
wonder if by then capcom will think about DeadRising/Lost Planet ports to PS3....they DO WANNA SELL IN JAPAN, RIGHT?

vidGuy: No because you seem to assume HD-DVD on the Xbox 360 will be used for anything other than movies which is not the case. It has already been confirmed that the 360's HD-DVD player is for movies only. The 360 will use only the DVD format for games.

Blu-Ray on the PS3 is almost no different. Games will be in BD format but will not likely take up any more space than a DVD so the format will cost more with almost no benefit for gaming. The Blu-Ray format on the PS3 is there for only one purpose: Playing Blu-Ray movies.

You can argue otherwise but it's a waste of time. I have 2 xbox 360's in my house and not a single game on more than 1 DVD. I'm sure they exist (for the PS2/xbox maybe?) but until games start taking up more than 2 DVD's (3 and 4) who cares?

How did Rockstar "betray" Sony? Whoever said that needs to sit down a think for a bit. Rockstar is a games developer and its only concern is selling games and making money. If they can sell enough copies of any title to justify a port to another console then more power to them. If I were a game developer I would want as many people as possible to play my game. Why should I put myself in the pocket of a Sony or a Microsoft - who at the end of the day only care about the success of their brand, not my game - just to help them move units.

Hell, I don't even understand why publishers take money to make their products exclusive. All things being equal I'd rather have more people playing the game I worked so hard on for years.

If you HONESTLY care about whether a ccertain platform has certain exclusive 3rd party titles, then in some small way you've sold your soul to a multi-billion-dollar corporation that in all reality doesn't care about you one bit, beyond squeezing more bucks out of you.

heh funny that "Sell really well part".....since other than halo/splinter cell, there were barely any third party games that broke 1 million on xbox1

now, the successor to the most expensive console failure in history, is suddenly going to become the home of all these Japanese exclusives? when it cant even beat out PS2 sales? or sell more than 1000 units each week in Japan?
riiiiight......... keep dreaming, xbots lol

yeah...bluray is useless for gaming...no doubt

none of the
developers are praising the extra storage on bluray discs, OH NO NEVER,
in fact mark reins of epic said he hated it and that next gen games
will not be bigger than 20gb

PS3 will fail for sure.

:rolleyes:

I have no doubt that most of your top shelf 3rd party games will be on both 360 and PS3. As stated in recent comments, companies are spending way to much money on big projects to turn down millions of dollars to be made by making a game cross-platform. This really puts Sony in a tight spot because why would you want to pay more for their system when all it's great games are on the cheaper 360? Hopefully Sony will really push their first party devs to make great exclusive content. I'll start saving up for a PS3 once I see what the Ico team has in store for us.

SHOW ME any one game on the market, or coming within the next year, that is bigger than 9GB, properly compressed.

The fact is that if any developer can't use compression wisely enough to get a game onto a 9GB DVD, they're lazy or they want a ton of HD pre-rendered cinemas on their game. I can do without either, thanks.

Have fun streaming your game from the PS3's slow optical drive.

I've seen several references in this thread to the concept of Sony or MS "fans"... is there anything more preposterous? If you anyone really considers themself a hardware "fan" perhaps they should take all their know-how and build their OWN console. For the rest of us who are in this for the games, (read: gamers) as long as I get the titles I enjoy, and the framerates I have come to expect, it doesn't matter if Magna-Daiwa-Jitsu is stamped on the box. Get with the program and stop squabbling over whos sneakers cost more. You're all "leet" in your own way... now just shut up and play.

@Matters,

Oh I agree. I think the Wii is set with dual-layer DVD, as is the 360 for gaming. There WILL be games that utilize more than 9GB of the BluRay capacity, but it won't be smart usage (i.e. the games may fit on a 9GB disc if they used better compression, were smarter about videos, etc). I actually expect Sony to ask some developers to put 15 to 20 GB on the disc just so they have some proof that the media format is "needed".

I was never refering to the gaming aspect, though. Game machines should be bought for the games... if 90% of the games on the PS3 are available on the 360, I don't see the real benefit to owning a PS3, other than it's movie format, which I won't be involved in. Oh, and on top of the cheaper, and supposed visually better, HD-DVD, the 360 has a proven online service, even if it does have a subscription fee.

Regarding speed, the BluRay 2x drive's read speed is comparable to an 8x DVD drive. If games on BluRay are using twice as much storage space, they better find a great way to stream and cache games, because loading times will be horrible.

Anyway, my point was simply that the PS3 is losing it's appeal all the time. I really don't see what it has that the 360 hasn't done or will do.

The more and more that I think about this BluRay crap, the madder I get. Seems to me that with PS3 your really paying for a Proprietary movie player that can also play 360 games. All this for $600. PS3 is the George Bush of game consoles. Everybody knows that Al Gore loves Wii.

All I care to say is basically hype, but I'd love to see both of those games on the 360. I'm a big DMC fan and I really enjoyed the portable Monster Hunter games. And I know Monster Hunter could have some cool extras to download on XBL. I just don't want to have to pay $200 more to play them for a minor graphical benefit.

Lets say that all games were out for all consoles and cross the board and everything was equal in terms of graphics. Sony would STILL rule. Why? Because Microsoft is the most despised company on the face of the planet. And people if forced to choose...more would choose SONY!

Note that I said that *all* games on *all* consoles. Remember, that means that Halo(s) and Ninja Gaiden, Gear of War, etc...would be on the PS3 and Wii. As well as all the other exclusives. Not just the other way around.

Oh, and if you think that Oblivion wont come to the PS3. You're crazy. It will sooner or later. As well Nija Gaiden. And please don't tell me that there are some people that hate Sony. That may be true. But I bet there are millions MORE people that hate Microsoft than they do Sony.

And for those of you that are saying that BD-ROM doesn't help the PS3. You are just being stupid little xbox fanboys.

That's why Microsux is going to release a add-on hd-dvd unit. It KNOWS that it can't compete with the PS3 w/out one. This hurts Microsoft as much as it helps it because it raises the cost up to the level of the PS3. And all you whiney people complaining about the PS3's cost can shut-up now!

#19 : "Not only to they make it affordable to release PC games on their console (which was far less common prior to xbox)"

Don't forget the Playstation era. Back then, PC games from ALL genres got ported like crazy. Nowadays, it's mostly the big-name FPSes that get ported, little else.

"What's going to stop publishers from letting go of exclusivity with the PS3?"

More money.