Sony's fumble gives Microsoft, Nintendo a share of PS3's holiday pie
by Vladimir Cole 
{ Sep 6th 2006 at 11:55AM }
In a research brief entitled "Flirting with Disaster: The Trilogy, Updating Our 2006 Video Game Software Sales Forecast, Yet Again," Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities has updated his estimates for Sony PS3 sales after today's bombshell that Sony would be cutting European and other territories out of their "global" 2006 launch plans.
Pachter writes, "There will undoubtedly be some 'substitution effect' from lower PS3 shipments, with a portion of the shortfall offset by higher sales of PS2, Xbox 360 and Wii hardware and software. We have not adjusted our model to reflect this substitution, as it is difficult to quantify, but we suspect that 25 – 50% of the shortfall in PS3 software sales (an estimated $124 million in Europe) will be offset by sales of software for the other platforms."
Pachter's comment suggests that one way for Sony to make up for their European pullback would be to aggressively promote the PS2 (price cuts, bundles, advertising) so that Nintendo and Microsoft have a harder time selling their consoles in that territory prior to PS3 launch. Are European gamers in for another PS2 price reduction?
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Devwar @ Sep 6th 2006 2:51PM
A question I haven't seen anyone ask yet. Of the lowered shipments at launch, how many of them will be the full-fledged, $600 PS3s, and how many will be the $500 "discount" model?
Derbeste @ Sep 6th 2006 12:05PM
"Pachter's comment suggests that one way for Sony to make up for their European pullback would be to aggressively promote the PS2..."
They already have. Remember? They are launching the PINK PS2 exclusively to Europe this holiday season.
Which means................
Sony KNEW all along that they would not be making the Christmas season for Europe. They have been lying.....shocker.
Oh btw....now the PS3 will be coming out in March '07.....
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....isn't that when another game for 360 is supposed to come out...
Oh yeah! HALO!!
At this point, Sony would be better off pierced by a stingray...in Europe at least.
El Hajjish @ Sep 6th 2006 12:05PM
And....... GO!
Thrall @ Sep 6th 2006 12:05PM
Maybe this will destroy consoles and you can all play PC Games with me. PC Games ftw.
Hey you buy a pc, play games and the kid might learn something (like how to program etc)
Biggie @ Sep 6th 2006 12:07PM
The quest is will this entice more developers to stick with the PS2 longer. There will have to be some lost of market sales as not everyone will substitute another good for the PS3 some will just keep saving their money for the PS3. But I'll agree the total change in the market will probably be marginal.
Wow I never though ECO100 would be useful again :D
Stu L Tissimus @ Sep 6th 2006 12:31PM
"Sony's fumble gives Microsoft, Nintendo a share of PS3's holiday pie"
Coming up on Faux News: Do humans breathe air? More at 11!
Jason Lynx @ Sep 6th 2006 12:36PM
I bought my 360 at the end of 2005 and I'll be able to buy (maybe) a ps3 at the end of 2007. 2 years later!!!
Somebody messed up at Sony. MS will almost have a 2 year advantage!!! And Sony knew it the whole time. It's been PR/damage control ever since.
NOEEM @ Sep 6th 2006 12:41PM
@5
lol... Be nice. This is the gaming blogs equivilent of CNN covering a major earthquake or plane crash. When big news hits they cover it six ways from sunday.
darryl @ Sep 6th 2006 12:44PM
Uhhh, nope. The 360 has already been out since last year. The Wii is for kids and the less fortunate. Those who wanted a PS3 will wait for one. Wait and see... every console Sony makes will sell instantly with incredible momentum through winter, spring, and summer...
voodooboo @ Sep 6th 2006 12:45PM
Dunno about you guys, but I'm looking forward to Peter Moore's reaction to todays debacle
Dudeyhead @ Sep 6th 2006 12:48PM
As a loyal nintendo fan, this sounds like great news for me...however, i doubt it will have too much of an impact for sony in the long run. As much as i want the wii to succeed, unfortunately i think the overall market leader is still going to be the ps3. all this will do is slightly delay the inevitable.
dsub @ Sep 7th 2006 9:02AM
and a big share at that. Sony was supposed to ship 4 Million PS3's before the end of the calendar year. That DEFINATELY is not going to happen now. I'll be surprised if they are able to ship 2 million before march when this thing launches in Europe. This is what happens when you design a console that is made entirely of fresh, new technology. Hardly anyone manufactures the stuff needed to make it, and in the end, it's tough to produce mass quantities of the final product. MS ran into the same problem with the GDDR3 RAM in the 360. Fortunately for them, that was pretty much the only part that wasn't already being produced as a mainstream component. Sony has the blu-ray drives, XDR, and the cell chip to manufacture. Hopefully they can keep production yields of that stuff up as well.
At least for them, this could help slow the bleeding a bit. By the time they can get production up and going at full steam, perhaps some of the core components will have become cheaper to produce, meaning they take less of a hit.
Raaaaah! @ Sep 6th 2006 12:51PM
@9
Too bad there are more kids and lessfortunate people in the world then there are rich, wannabe-hardcore gamers.
Nightowl @ Sep 6th 2006 12:50PM
I think their watered down appearance at Leipzig was as much an indication that they knew they weren't hitting Europe this fall as anything else.
Sony is a once great battleship that has rusted and taken on much water. Of course the still have big guns and can do "massive damage" (sic), but they have almost no maneuverability and are too stuck in their old ways of trying to force their own proprietary format.
Rest in peace.
Raaaaah! @ Sep 6th 2006 12:52PM
or... @8
heh.
jp007 @ Sep 6th 2006 12:57PM
Wow, this is like the 4th article about this topic and it's barely past noon (est). Joystiq is really rubbing some salt in the ol' wounds of PS fanboys everywhere! Suckers..
Pikachelsea @ Sep 6th 2006 12:57PM
@3
"Maybe this will destroy consoles and you can all play PC Games with me. PC Games ftw.
Hey you buy a pc, play games and the kid might learn something (like how to program etc)"
PC games FTL you mean. I'd rather spend about $200 bucks on a Wii that'll last me a whole generation of quality gaming, than shell out thousands on a new top of the line gaming PC that I will only have to continue to dump money on in upgrades (video card, RAM, etc) every few months to keep it from becoming OBSOLETE (oh noes not that).
And that comment at the end about kids learning to program by playing PC games is awesome. Awesomely hilarious that is. I'm a web developer myself but I can tell you right now I didn't learn C# by playing Guild Wars, or stomping Goombas for that matter. What a fantastic leap of logic...
This may bring Sony down in flames but console gaming is here to stay.
@8
"The Wii is for kids and the less fortunate."
Can we all grow up and put away the "LOL NINTY IS FOR KIDS" argument already? There are plenty of mature gaming experiences on Nintendo systems, and plenty of fun all around. If you were a little more secure in your masculinity maybe you could stop your high school-style bullying and give it a try. You might even end up having some fun. Watch out.
If anything, the PS3 is for the less fortunate, since you have the misfortune of being forced to pay out the nose for a fugly console which won't have any obvious "must-have" titles at launch that I can think of off the top of my head. I on the other hand will be able to pick up a Wii for not even half the cost of a tard pack PS3, and it will have two highly anticipated (and NOT kiddy) titles at launch -- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Twilight Princess (the Wii version).
The choice seems pretty clear to me.
BIGGEN @ Sep 6th 2006 1:00PM
darryl - you're funny. true, the people who want a ps3 will wait for one. and wait and wait and wait.........i personally would love to have one. BUT, i'm not making it a priority at all. my first priority is building my 360 to be the all media center it is becoming and grabbing that Wii for some new kind of fun. just remember this, the 360 had similar launch numbers, but launched in more places. AND has a year head start (now more). and yes, don't forget Halo 3 in march to counteract that Euro launch. this will be interesting.
Psaakyrn @ Sep 6th 2006 1:00PM
to #8 darryl
The "for kids" arguement is getting old. Please try to accept the fact that Nintendo targets all age groups, as opposed to just the traditional hardcore group.
Of the 3 core Nintendo franchises going onto the Wii, only Super Mario Galaxy can be considered to be rated 'E', and it's not coming out at launch. All demos of Wii Sports/Warioware/Excite Truck has been targetted at non-gamers as opposed to those under 12. Red Steel is certainly not 'E' by any standard. Rayman could be considered 'E', BUT it's apparently not exclusive. Elebits seems to be the only exclusive game coming out, which may be considered to be targetted to kids.
Care to provide any other example of games coming out for Wii which is exclusive and rated 'E'?
John Lucas @ Sep 6th 2006 1:02PM
Bite your tongue, Dudeyhead.
It was already in the cards since September 16, 2005 at the Tokyo Game Show. But the sealant has dried.
Nintendo will RULE the seventh generation the likes of which we haven't seen since the days of the NES.
WORLDWIDE DOMINATION.
That's a Guaran-DAMN-tee.
It's gonna be nothing but Wii & DS for the next 5 years. Every now & then a 360 may pop his head in from time to time.
The profit Nintendo is about to make may be enough to balance the United States debt! Hahahahaha!
Hyperbole of course but Nintendo is about to Scrooge McDuck that Money Bin like a BIG dog.
Twin phenomena: DS uncannily running the handheld sector. Wii uncannily running the homeconsole sector.
Nintendo's Sister Branches working hand in hand better than ever before. The spillover & splashback between the two will be tremendous.
I gotta get me some Nintendo stock. NOW.
Sony R.I.P. So sorry things didn't work out.
John Lucas
reguy @ Sep 6th 2006 1:14PM
man oh man the nintendo fanbois are in full swing today. the rev will rule, the rev will make 80 trillion dollars, the ds is the perfect sign. really? yeah i dont think so.
while i agree that sony is on the way down that doesnt mean nintendo will rule again. you guys might be too young to remember this, but when nintendo was on top they were 10 times worse than sony.
if they didnt like you, you couldnt make a game, and if you did make a game you lost royalties because it was done on their system. not to mention that games were up to 70 dollas and thats 15 years ago.
i hate nintendo, it so is a kiddie system, while i am amused that sony is going down they still made the industry grow to what it is today and made playing video games cool. if you played nintendo back in 88, you got your ass kicked in school and you can take that to the bank, the joystiq writers know its true even if you fanboys dont want to accept it.
360 ftw
Raynre @ Sep 6th 2006 4:12PM
... Who the fuck lives in Greenland?
jc @ Sep 6th 2006 1:22PM
This PS2 making up the difference thing is never going to happen. Who doesnt have a ps2 by now? And if you dont, theres no way any kid, teen, or adult is going to be excited about it. The graphics on it horribly outdated (even compared to xbox and gamecube).
People thought Xbox360 shortages last year would spur xbox sales (as all the stores tried getting people to buy their old stock). It didnt happen. Christmas shoppers what the latest and greatest. With the 360 and Wii on display in full form, PS2 games and consoles sales will be a distinct minority.
rjg @ Sep 6th 2006 1:31PM
I don't know, ps2 is dated but the graphics aren't that bad. Seriously, have you played RE4 with a component cable? Looks pretty badass actually...
Still, I agree, this isn't going to keep people from buying a xbox360 or Wii.
Looks like it will be 360 ftw afterall.
Jay @ Sep 6th 2006 1:38PM
Let's be honest ... this isn't a launch -- it's a beta test. You just have to "pay" for the privalege of testing Sony's system.
MosquitoControl @ Sep 6th 2006 1:38PM
"than shell out thousands on a new top of the line gaming PC that I will only have to continue to dump money on in upgrades (video card, RAM, etc) every few months to keep it from becoming OBSOLETE (oh noes not that)."
1) Don't buy a top-of-the-line system. Why would you even bother doing that? A $1000 system will run any game out there right now just fine.
2) Don't upgrade. Why would you bother doing that. Just turn some options off or kick the resolution down one.
You gave an extreme, and it makes me think you're a moron.
With the deals going around these days, Dell often offering $750 off a PC $1999 or more, you can get just-below top-of-the-line for about $1250. Which, sure, is 5 Wiis, but it gives you something significantly more versatile.
And it will play any game that comes along for about two and a half years. If you need games to look amazing you'll get that time. If you're fine lowering options and dealing with occasional slowdowns you'll get three to four years out of a PC.
You have to be a moron if you think you need a top of the line PC and think you need monthly upgrades.
But, given the kneejerk reactions you find around here, I shouldn't expect you to be more than one.
Chris Taran @ Sep 6th 2006 1:39PM
@19
I certainly am old enough to remember when Nintendo dominated (I'm 25) and I'd love to see them on top again. I miss the glory days. However, if Microsoft or Sony ends up on top, that's fine with me too. I really don't care that much. Like people have said in the past, I go where the games are. Which means even though I don't like Sony as a company and I really don't like what they're doing with the PS3, as long as games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, God of War, and others are PlayStation exclusives I'll eventually own a PS3. It probably won't be until at least next Christmas though when hopefully there is a price drop.
For now I'm quite happy with my XBox 360 and I can't wait to get a Wii when it launches.
Also, I don't know where you lived in 1988, but where I live in PA, if you didn't have a Nintendo you were pretty much out of the loop.
striderhayasa @ Sep 6th 2006 1:42PM
@reguy
Sony made video games cool? When? It's still a nerd hobby so get off it. This is bad news for Sony no matter how you slice it. When Nintendo delayed the 64, Nintendo fans were all in denial too. "It's not going to matter, Nintendo is the king and Sony is the noob." blah blah blah. Sony just handed microsoft two christmas seasons in a row and Nintendo is stomping Sony's guts out in japan.
Not to mention the money invested and lost on every PS3 sold. Give me a break. heads should roll if Sony doesn't recover from this freefall. I'm looking at you Ken...
cringer8 @ Sep 6th 2006 1:43PM
@ reguy
I have played Nintendo systems my entire life and have never gotten my "ass kicked in school." As a matter of fact, in college our suite had only two systems connected to the TV: N64 and NES. No ass kickings at all.
You are part of the Mountain Dew generation where everything needs to be "extreme" and "cool." You're so sad, it's almost funny. Go kick someone's ass today to make yourself feel better about how lame you are (or gay; usually closet cases are overly masculine to compensate).
Andrew @ Sep 6th 2006 3:27PM
Wee, Sony's catering to folks like me. I'm planning to buy a PS2 this Christmas -- still haven't gotten my God of War on yet. I'll probably get a PS3 when the PS4's due to come out (if there's a PS4) ... for $90 on eBay.
emceay @ Sep 6th 2006 1:48PM
people that have the money for a ps3 could probably earn it back in the time between xmas and launch. Such a low blow, I guess you were never a kid or poor for that matter.
Example: I'm 22, I have no responsibilities other than work. I could afford all three, but so far all I own is two DSes. Why? Because the only games I want on 360 I bought for PC, and because my friends can continue watching whatever show or playing whatever game and still squeeze in a round of mario bros in the downtime.
Thinking that the ps3 pie won't be cut into is absurd however. People will want some gaming system for xmas, whether it's ps2 or not, that's a sale the ps3 ain't getting till march... if then.
emceay @ Sep 6th 2006 1:48PM
@reguy:
Please choke on your tongue, you don't need it anymore.
reguy @ Sep 6th 2006 1:58PM
@Chris Taran
if you're 25 then you know full well how awful nintendo was to other game makers. good post man
@striderhayasa
it was back in 95 when ps1 came out and just having the empty blue box meant something. then they went on to sell 100+ million consoles. but you make great points too
and now we get to cringer8
what can i say? you let me down man. i have always found you to be lucid but today you showed your true colors. personal attacks? i expected better from you. calling me gay as a way of insulting me shows your lack of respect to the gay community. and even if i was gay so what?? oh and just because no one ever beat you up must mean that it didnt happen at all right?
for shame cringer8
J B Cougar @ Sep 6th 2006 2:01PM
Darryl, I think you're just doing this on purpose now, but I have to admit your comments are about 10-20% more accurate that anything Sony says these days. It's a start.
J B Cougar @ Sep 6th 2006 2:07PM
Funny, I always thought leaving incoherent little comments on Joystiq got your ass kicked in school, but I digress. reguy, what sad little school of angst did you attend where it wasn't cool to play Nintendo? Emo U?
And now the borken logic portion of the post:
"oh and just because no one ever beat you up must mean that it didnt happen at all right?" oh, and just because everyone who played Nintendo got beat up at yours it's true for everyone?
See what I did there? I took your unfounded, biased and banal little point and made you look like a fool. Some would argue that your original posts did that all by themselves, but I just can't resist putting down the ignorant.
25 going on tween, if you ask me.
The Intangible Fact @ Sep 6th 2006 2:08PM
Now that I think about it, I use to get more excited about consoles and games before I got online and started posting. Being online is addictive yet it ruins the hype because of all the negative comments about each system.
Everybody that post on these sites are hardcore gamers(Even if you don't play games 24/7). We take the time out of our day to debate about the success and failure of video games. We all have a passion. It really don't matter what system wins because we will be back the next day. So we all are fanboy's of video games.
We make up about 10% or less of the consumers buying these consoles when they come out. The other 90% buy the consoles with the lack of knowledge and because of the design, cost, games and its what their friends have.
My uncle has a PS2 & GC and I could never convince him to buy a Xbox because of his stubborn ignorances. I try to tell him about how the PS3 is having major problems and to buy a 360 this generation yet he doesn't care because of the BRAND NAME SONY. Him and alot of other people are the same way.
Sean @ Sep 6th 2006 2:10PM
darryl is a sonyfanbot. But what do you expect from a Data Analyzing Robotic Youth Lifeform?
Presentlight @ Sep 6th 2006 2:13PM
I suspect that they knew that they wouldn't have enough consoles to fulfill demand in the US.
Ben UK @ Sep 6th 2006 2:24PM
@darryl
you are an idiot, are you trying to say that people who cant afford a ps3 are less fortunate?!? WTF how can you possible know that about a console which hasnt even launched yet? for all you know the wii could kick ps3's ass then wouldnt we be saying that the people who bought a wii where more fortunate?? or maybe we would be saying that they where just plain smarter and not less fortunate in the least because they didn't blow all their money on an expensive paper weight.
Also there is no chance of the ps3 having any momentum to speak of, id bet all the ps3's in the world that all consumers will be seeing for 4-5 months after the console launch will be only a few trickling out slowly, just like the xbox360.
Besides all this misses the point, 500,000 at launch is pitifull(400,000 in US and 100,000 in JAP), 360 had 400,000 in US and a few days later had 300,000 in europe and some in JAP too even though they didn't realy sell....
the ps3 will be a rich kids toy nothing more (at least not until a price cut) but by then i think we will be seeing a hell of alot of hardcore gamers rocking a wii60 combo (like me:P)
Lone Starr @ Sep 6th 2006 2:30PM
@ Derbeste,
"At this point, Sony would be better off pierced by a stingray...in Europe at least."
Crude reference to Steve Irwin's death = fail.
Pikachelsea @ Sep 6th 2006 2:31PM
"Which, sure, is 5 Wiis, but it gives you something significantly more versatile."
And that was entirely my point. You could get FIVE Wiis for the same chunk of cash as a gaming PC, and all Wii games will be designed to that spec, unlike PC games which are constantly demanding better and better minimum requirements, or like you said you have to sacrifice framerate/quality/etc, which I DON'T want to do. Not for graphics-whore reasons but because eventually it starts to affect the game's playability itself.
So go ahead and pay over $1000 on your PC that you admit will last about "2 - 3 years" compared to the average console life of 5 years. I won't stand in your way. But I'll thank you not to call me a "moron" for choosing a route which is indisputably cheaper and suits all of MY gaming needs.
Thanks for the lecture on "kneejerk reactions" though.
OTAM @ Sep 6th 2006 3:21PM
"At this point, Sony would be better off pierced by a stingray...in Europe at least."
Pure Pwnage.
Let's see the "enlightened,sleek and mature" posters (about 95% of Joystiq) cry about that one,you know it's coming. I bet they can't though because their fingers slide off the keys from all the hair gel on them (not to mention their sore arms from carrying their brieffcases all day)
Lekko @ Sep 6th 2006 2:43PM
Launches of systems that are cutting edge always suck. I had to pull my PS2 off a truck to get mine. I had to show up at midnight and wait in line for my 360, and when the N64 came out... same thing. There are always shortages, period. No matter how much planning, 2 million at launch is BS when they announced it. That was more their goal than a realisitic number. That's how Sony tends to work.
Mark my words, you'll hear them say, "The PS4 will be able to calculate the entire planet in realtime physics!" Because that's their end goal of what they want to do, not what they actually will do. Same thing here. They were trying to buy up enough parts for 2 million, and if 2 million existed, there would be 2 million on shelves, but supplies are just plain short.
Same thing happened to MS, same thing happens to Nintendo. If you don't know this by now, you're new to gaming.
In either case, give it until the end of the year, or next year and you'll see them on shelves and all will be forgotten, just like how everyone has forgotten about how MS had these same issues.
Besides, I know Sony and the games that they put out, and you just plain do not see MS or Nintendo caring about them. Nintendo has happy games that are hella fun to play, which is great, and MS has gritty hardcore shooters, which are hella fun to play. Sony tends to have... everything else. I want to play off-beat platformers, quirky puzzle games, huge epic RPGs, and some over-stylized action games, as well as a bunch of odd titles.
The only way I would jump ship would be if MS or Nintendo stepped up to the plate and offered me the kind of games I want to play on their system. However, I like those systems as is, and don't want them to conglomerate into one single system. Now I could go on a rant about that, but I will refrain in this post.
DocEvil @ Sep 6th 2006 2:42PM
Wow, how bad would this get if MS threw in a price cut to boot...
The Dude @ Sep 6th 2006 2:45PM
Darryl is in denial.
Lekko @ Sep 6th 2006 2:55PM
Good point Devwar.. If I had to guess, 75/25 split?
Wait wait a second... Remember the PSP. They launched here with the "value pack". So, my guess would be 100% exclusive ones. Because you just know that those 500k are going to sell out, so might as well make them the nice ones. Just like when the PSP launched, besides, they'll make more money back that way.
if they do release it in the split setup, I'm guessing 25% or lower for the $500 one.
Sean D. @ Sep 6th 2006 11:03PM
You people continue to amaze me. Who cares who is the #1 seller in the world? As long as the individual companies make a profit, they'll continiue to make systems. There's always has been and always will be more than one option available... I will probably pick up a Wii as soon as I can if I can get my hands on one- it just looks like more fun. I'll buy a PS3 with the hardware redesign and it has amassed a decent library, and I'll continue to play XBox 360 at my friend's place whenever he has a 'game night.' For all my other gaming needs, my DS has kept me very content- with all the GBA and DS games available both new and used, I can't see myself ever running out of things to play.
Brian @ Sep 6th 2006 3:32PM
It's really too bad. I love the hardware Sony has put together, it's just beautiful and is, without a doubt, the most advanced console that has ever been put in the hands of the consumer.
However, Sony drastically overestimated their manufacturing power and have made a hole I don't think they can come from. I really want one, but I don't want to waste the money if it disappears. I hope Sony has some showing. The Wii will, most likely, be the top seller - which I think is dumb but whatever - but I hope Sony stays in the game, the more competitors we have, the better off the consumer will be. Those wishing for Sony's death are wishing for a huge blow to the industry. This console generation could very well reflect the video game industry for the next decade. This is bigger than Wii60 vs. PS3, the industry is fighting rising costs and is not gaining the critical acceptance it needs. Video games need something like "Cahiers du cinema" the influential French film magazine of the 50s to examine the aesthetic and artistic values of a relatively new medium (not to mention some of the greatest film directors of all time - Truffaut, Godard - came from that staff.
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble and the organization of that last "paragraph" was absurd, point is I hope this does not bode too ill for Sony because, if nothing else, I really want to play with something THAT powerful.
Kayzai @ Sep 6th 2006 3:54PM
This bad publicity is just too much now!!!
When are Sony PR going to start putting some positive spin on all this??? Now, I don't mean the obvious lies that they have been spewing lately!
Check these Sony claims out:
* 120 frames per second gameplay - Yeah Right. So why is Resistance only doing 30fps?
* 2 HDMI sockets - Really? Erm, The low-cost version doesn't even have none!
* 7 Controller ports - Some dumbos actually believed this.
* 4D Gameplay - enough said
* Renders of Games passed as in-game graphics. Warhawk, Motorstorm etc.
* Their "revolutionary" controller from 11 years ago WITH NO Rumble
* Oh, they also lied to us that the rumble was removed Because it interfered with the motion sensors - Sony, we read the NEWS and know of a certain lawsuit, you know? Don't insult our intelligence!
* Spring 06 Launch - Liar, Liar Pants on fire!!! They haven't even starter production as of September!!!
* Emotion engine?, anyone? The only emotion I had was from the Disc not read error!
Sony has lost it's credibility as far the PS3 is concerned.
BUT HAVEN"T YOU HEARD EVEN OF BLURAY or is it RAYRAY, REYREY? IT's the FUTURE!!!
Good Luck Sony!!!
Lekko @ Sep 6th 2006 4:22PM
^^
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