Enchanted Arms grabbing PS3

You know I really like this game. Everyone who's actually played it seems to as well, more so than the reviewers. The game itself is definitely very formula, but if you can live with that the dialogue is great, they let you play it subbed instead of dubbed, and the game goes to great lengths to make most pointless RPG annoyances disappear. Save anywhere!

And really, if you've ever enjoyed a Final Fantasy or a Wild Arms or a Dragon Quest then why complain about the formulaic structure? It's just one of those things you tolerate from an RPG. And when something like Planescape: Torment or Valkyrie Profile goes beyond it well then it's just extra special.

I like how the "Official Site" doesn't even acknowledge the game's existence on Xbox 360. They're treating it like PS3 is the first time the game's been out. Very, very interesting. I wonder what this will hold for a US release of this, since the Ubi 360 game is "Only on Xbox 360."

I don't see this game doing that well on the PS3. Timed exclusives are rarely really successful on the later console. And the PS3 will surely have a wide selection of JRPGs available.

With the 360, it is the only fish in a small pond, hence the big deal. It would be like if Resistence came over to 360. It's big on PS3 because sony consoles have yet to have a decent FPS. ON the 360m, it would be swept aside.

Good. I'm happy PS3 owners will get to play this game.

I've found it to be a very enjoyable game(I've enjoyed this story much more than FFVIII and FFX) and now everyone will be able to partake in the fun.

I agree, fun game, but in Japan wasn't this published by Microsoft? Kind of odd if it shows up on PS3, too.

looks like another one of M$'s precious 'exclusives' is kaput now, after they dumped loads of money into getting it made (to no effect, xbox1.5 is still tanking hard in japan). so M$ is losing exclusives, still being outsold by ps2, and sales are slowing, is there ANY good news out there for xbots today?

2. I like how the "Official Site" doesn't even acknowledge the game's existence on Xbox 360. They're treating it like PS3 is the first time the game's been out. Very, very interesting. I wonder what this will hold for a US release of this, since the Ubi 360 game is "Only on Xbox 360."

apart from the link to the Xbox 360 version in the bottom right corner? Dipshit.

"looks like another one of M$'s precious 'exclusives' is kaput now, after they dumped loads of money into getting it made (to no effect, xbox1.5 is still tanking hard in japan). so M$ is losing exclusives, still being outsold by ps2, and sales are slowing, is there ANY good news out there for xbots today? "

Get a life. Who cares how the 360 is doing anywhere. Do you have stock in Microsoft? You're like if Kobe Bryant complained about how a basketball player in Russia is playing every day.

Does this troll ever get a negative star? I thought he was banned?

I hate ps3!!! Xbox360 is sooooo awesome, I have 5 of them!! Long live microsoft!! :)

I second the idea of at least one negative star for aZn. I've seen posts from him for the last couple days and he adds nothing intelligent to any coversation.

no matter how many times you change your change we still know its you darryl

The game is good I've been playing it a lot. It's not a ground breaking game or a 'must have'. Just traditional JRPG fun. It's no big deal if PS3 gets it later. The real big dogs that will be going head to head with FFXIII are Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. Don't expect those to show up on PS3.

To aZn:

You obviously aren't following the exclusives war very much at all (and in the end, it's the most important one).

You say after dumping loads of money onto getting enchanted arms made, it's no longer an exclusive......


umm....

good job at just making up info to support your argument, that's not true at all. The game was made by From software, not microsoft.. Show me proof that microsoft funded the development and that will be credible. But as it stands already, you have lost most of your credibility for having unbias or intelligent opinions.

Sure Xbox isn't doing well in Japan....well....do you live in Japan? That's the only way it MIGHT matter, but even then, you can still buy whatever YOU want if you did live in Japan. Who cares who has japan anyway if you lead north america and europe, BOTH of which are bigger markets than japan by a longshot, you are doing well.

It's also funny that you called enchanted arms one of Microsoft's 'precious' exclusives....as far as I knew, this was not one of the bigshot titles that microsoft has been pushing. It has had very little hype in fact. If you want to make a big deal out of any game that was formerly exclusive but isn't anymore, Sony has lost more than Microsoft thus far.. so that statement is also unfounded and pointless.


Now the big one, the bottom line is that you just attacked Microsoft for losing the exclusive RPG Enchanted Arms as if it was "the ammo" for microsoft's exclusive lineup....

ha.


hahaha...

Lets compare, right here, right now.

Exclusive RPG's for Ps3 and Sony:

FFXIII
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.........


that's it. Seriously, that's it. DQ9 is unannounced as an exclusive, and as it stands, may end up on Wii exclusively.

There is one more RPG, but it is being developed by Sony internally and is unannounced. I personally don't have much faith in Sony's RPG department but that is debateable (they did Legend of Dragoon on PSX). Even if you did like Sony's internally developed RPGs, that only brings the lineup to 2 games.


Now for 360's exclusive RPGs:

Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
Cry-On
Mass Effect
Fable 2 (debatably not an RPG, but more of an action game).
Trusty Bell

Wow, that's a lot better i'd say. Especially considering that Square has gone downhill, the main guy behind FF1-10 LEFT SQUARE, and FORMED MISTWALKER STUDIOS. Caps are used to make sure you understand that. Now, mistwalker is making the first 3 RPGs on that list. That's right, THREE RPGS from them alone. This also includes the guy who did the music for FF games AND the guy who did the art style for DQ8 (and DBZ).

Mass Effect? Now thats an amazing looking RPG, words won't do it justice, just go check out a trailer at IGN.

Trusty Bell looks like fun too, it is a music themed turn based RPG with a very cool looking art style, again, look up some screens.

Whew.....I don't know how someone can view this list and say that 360 doesn't have a strong RPG lineup.

And remember, this just went over RPG exclusives only, 360 has an impressive list (at least compared to Ps3) in most other genres as well.



Also aZn, I'd like to add one more thing....



owned.

Also note that the above argument is reffering to the aZn post on comment #11.

BGSS- you were referring to post #7, not #11. In post #11, they were just quoting post #7.

bgss:

Nice revisionist history here:

"Especially considering that Square has gone downhill, the main guy behind FF1-10 LEFT SQUARE, and FORMED MISTWALKER STUDIOS."

Sakaguchi was basically done making Square games after FF8 and then had little to no influence after Spirits Within movie bombed. He hasn't been "the main guy" ever since that psychological horror cinematic game "Another Mind" tanked in Japan.

He was only credited on recent releases as legacy credit.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on those Mistwalker games being excessively high in cinematics, and entirely boring. Sakaguchi's been talking about how he considers himself a film director who makes video games since the days of Final Fantasy VII...do you honestly think that's going to change now that he has the ability to make prettier graphics?

Whateva, so I'm a fanboy because I don't bash sony like all the xbots here, and stick up for them, reminding people of how compleltely sony has dominated the games industry for the last 2 generations? And because I point out that this was one of MSs cherished exclusives, that was made only for 1.5, but now the developer has to port it because 1.5 has tanked even harder than 1.0? And if you really beleive that M$ was not paying out BIG money for these exclusives, you need to give your head a good shake, that is how the exclusive game works, especially when the company's prior history in japan was a debacle like xbox1.0.

as for those 'killer' rpgs listed, I've never heard of half of them, and then there's mass effect (boring character design, boring story, more boring rpgs with no style) and fable (boring generic game again with no style or good design). Maybe somoene will notice when the real big boys, the Final Fantasy, the Dragon Quest, the Xenogear, the Disegea, the Grandia, etc etc come out for 1.5, oh wait, they never will. All the best RPGs come out of japan, and because of that xbox1.5 will be seeing almost none of them, except for the ones they pay for, like blue dragon and enchant arms. If you have a beef it should be with M$, for failing to make a console that can entice the most tech saavy, discriminating gamers in the world - the japanese.

also that post above saying I love xbox1.5 is fake, thats not me, hopefully this site gets a system to fight identity theft soon.

Sony, Microsoft, lets face it, there is going to be essentially no difference between the two versions and further more, there is little point in arguing for either console. We are merely looking at the first wave of Next Gen games. In a couple of years we'll be seeing far superior content for both platforms. If you are confident in you're console of choice then do not verbally bitch slap the other, just let the games and sales charts do the talking and sit by looking smug when you're correct.

MS fangirls, just need to stop getting so defensive & offensive & just realise that this is the tip of the iceberg. 3 months before 360 released, we did not know even a quarter of the games that are in their lineup now. So PS3 will be the same, although, more than likely will get even more games announced for development than 360 did or has. In part due to bigger Japanese developer support & overall developer support due to brand recognition. Smart thing sticking with PS3, in my opinion.

I see lots of naysayers hassle Sony for every reason they can fabricate up. One of my favourites is the lack of originality of the name. Then Sony bashers continue to bring up the 3rd console curse crap, that derives directly from nintendo's mistakes after the snes.
Lets look at the differences.....

1.Nintendo had two previous consoles..... 1st calles the nes, the next called the snes....They switched to a total new offbeat name for this one to the n64......1st mistake (just like sega master system, sega megadrive......Dreamcast....... everyone follow the pattern).

2. Nintendo scared off nearly all 3rd party support by not offering developers any help or support & no development tools whatsoever.

3. They stuck with a way old & overdue format in catridges...... (And remember, technology moves much faster now, so dvd-9's may/may not, be big enough in time).

4. Finally they backstabbed & messed with Sony...


Back on topic though.....Expect more of 360's supposed exclusives to hit PS3 & expect plenty of new announcements & fresh ip's for all next gen consoles, & especially Sony's.....as usual.

"Finally they backstabbed & messed with Sony..."

I think you mean: were backstabbed by sony.

If you want to take a look at strikes various consoles have against them, why not the PS3?

1-Launched with a price nearly twice as high as the competition.

2-Used a highly expensive proprietary media format that held off the launch of the system for up to a year in some territories.

3-Over promised and under delivered

4-lost key exclusives (Don't believe me? the 3 biggest franchises of the past gen are all on xbox the same day as playstation...except for Halo. And the 3 biggest games of E3 are on the xbox the same day as playstaion, except for gears.)

5-Low system numbers means less revenue for devs, which means fewer exclusives, which means less systems sold and so on.

Cool! Less exclusivity means that I'm less likely to buy both powerhouse consoles. I love my 360, but I know eventually that there will be some killer PS3 games that will force my hand.

aZn_1080p
"Whateva, so I'm a fanboy because I don't bash sony like all the xbots here, and stick up for them"

no, you're a fanboy because you're unable to admit when your favorite console manufacturer does something wrong. Also, you hurl childish insults at anyone disagreeing with you.

WiiOn360:
"1.Nintendo had two previous consoles..... 1st calles the nes, the next called the snes....They switched to a total new offbeat name for this one to the n64......1st mistake (just like sega master system, sega megadrive......Dreamcast....... everyone follow the pattern)."

Are you trying to be funny here by pretending to be stupid? I mean, surely you know what 'NES' 'SNES' and 'N64' stand for, don't you?

If I really have to lay this out for you, I will. (the pertinent parts are capitalized)

NES = NINTENDO Entertainment System

SNES = Super NINTENDO Entertainment System

N64 = NINTENDO 64

Yeah, that's a radical renaming there. How were people ever supposed to realize that the company making the Nintendo 64 was the same company that made the Nintendo and Super Nintendo? What an enourmous oversight!

And the Nintendo Gamecube? What the fuck is that?

Do I really need to go through the Segas as well?

Pedro:

You have it all wrong. Read "Game Over: How Nintendo Conquered the World" (or the second printing, "Game Over: Press Start to Continue".

It's Nintendo who sells out Sony, not the other way around.

If you don't want to head to your library, just read an excerpt from Wikipedia's article on the Playstation:

"In 1991, the SNES-CD was to be announced at the June CES. However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNESCD-ROM format. Yamauchi was furious; deeming the contract totally unacceptable, he secretly cancelled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Indeed, instead of announcing their partnership, at 9 am the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that they were now allied with Philips, and were planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had (unbeknownst to Sony) flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines."

Or from the Wikipedia Nintendo 64 article:

"While Nintendo chose the cartridge format for the N64, the company originally signed a contract with Sony in 1988 to develop a CD-ROM drive add-on for the SNES. When Hiroshi Yamauchi read the (already signed by Nintendo) original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo and learned that it allowed Sony 25% of the profits from the machine and also a part of games' sales profits, he was furious. He deemed the contract totally unacceptable, and secretly cancelled all plans for a joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Indeed, instead of announcing their partnership, at 9 AM the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that they were now allied with Philips, and were planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had (unbeknownst to Sony) flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance. In addition to the CD-ROM add on, Sony would release a combination Super NES/CD-ROM system in one unit, which would have been called the PlayStation. Initially, Nintendo's abandonment of the joint project caused Sony to consider halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. This led to Nintendo filing a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction."

So, Nintendo signs a contract, then decides, "Hey! We don't like this!" and then bails on the contract. Sony doesn't backstab anyone. Don't rewrite history so your favorite company comes out the good guy. The facts of the case, as reported, show that Yamauchi is the one who did the betraying.

"I think you mean: were backstabbed by sony."

No, I mean Nintendo backstabbed Sony..... Read up on it instead of just believing Nintendo's lies & version of events. They asked Sony to develop a cd add on. Sony obliged & outlayed all the costs, then Nintendo went & met with Panasonic or Phillips or soneone behind Sony's back, trying to make ANOTHER deal.
Sony had to do something to get back what Nintendo had cost them.



"If you want to take a look at strikes various consoles have against them, why not the PS3?

1-Launched with a price nearly twice as high as the competition."

PS2 launched for a much higher price than all successful consoles before it.....$749 in Australia in fact. How did that one turn out again.

"2-Used a highly expensive proprietary media format that held off the launch of the system for up to a year in some territories."

They wanted the launch held up for as long as possible anyway....IF MS hadn't forced a rushed next gen on us all 1-2yrs before what has always been traditional, Sony wouldn't have released the PS3 until the end of 2007 in Japan & US. As for your highly expensive proprietry mdia format drizzle.....You have no idea, development costs for this format have not been disclosed or confirmed to be MUCH higher (if any), than for any other disk format. Development costs for all next gen machines however, are rumoured to be much higher...hence everything being multiplat.
Evidence is how Nintendo's 3rd parties literally ran away from N64 once Nintendo decided on old expensive, limited, rip off licenced catridge format. Sony on the other hand have nothing but developer support on the most part, once again.



"3-Over promised and under delivered"

How can this even come into fruition. The machines not out yet. So you fail big time on what they will deliver. All this same crap was spurted out by people like ypu when PS2 came out. PS2 ended up delivering the most diverse, genre filled, quality laden gaming experience of all, for the 2nd gen. in a row.

"4-lost key exclusives (Don't believe me? the 3 biggest franchises of the past gen are all on xbox the same day as playstation...except for Halo. And the 3 biggest games of E3 are on the xbox the same day as playstaion, except for gears.)"

GTA was never exclusive soory pal. AC, just like GeOW is unproven & both there greatness & sales numbers are n/a until thet release...Sorry champ. I see no Halo on PS3....Woopee. Halo 2 was worse than Halo 1, so Halo 3 could decline even more unless something different is done....Online multiplayer only accounts for 5million out of a 150million user base of console gamers.
Sorry friend, PS3 still exclusively has more than 1 generic FPS. Heres yor list.

Ratchet as well as Resistance
Jak & Daxter
MGS4
GT
FF
Team Ico
Evolutions Studios WRC series & motorstorm
Tekken
Virtual Fighter
God Of War
Team Soho (The Getaway)
Best F1 racer made by ony
Singstar
Buzz
Unique eyetoy type games like above 2 for mainstreamers
Devil May Cry
Onimusha
Maximo
Anything made by London Studios
And not to mention the literally 1000's of titles from various Japanese developers that MS will never have.
Couple this with the FACT that Team Ninja are making 2 PS3 titles, PGR developers are also making a multiplatform game for 360 & PS3, even Bungie have spoken out at the dissapointment with only catering to one console with Halo. Even they realise that 100million user base compared to 24million userbase = potentially 4 times the sales (at least).



"5-Low system numbers means less revenue for devs, which means fewer exclusives, which means less systems sold and so on."

Developers (unlike you), are smart, & realise that launch of console equates to smaller user base...Thats why most 360 games are available on PS2, Xbox1 & GC & again for 2nd gen running, mainly PC. 360 launched with bigger production problems, more shortages (less numbers, than PS3 is planning to.

I believe 360 launched with 450 thousand compared tp PS3's 500, and 360 barely reached 750thousand by years end..... PS3 still has the potential to get to 1-1.5mill by years end. So developers realise that the launch window is the most important time to establish & release new IP's.....Something that MS failed to capitalise on. While 360 enjoyed PC ports, even PS2 had better, original fresh ip's like SSX, Timesplitters, Smugglers Run & more in the launch window.

Hell, even xbox 1 had better than 360 with Halo, Bloodwake & a coule of others not worth mentioning. PS3 now has Motorstorm, Resistance, HS, Untold Legends & a few others that look to be mostly original & great ip's.

Believe me, 3rd & 1st party developers have masses of PS3 games in production that you & I don't even know about. Lots of them will be mostly prettier ports of existing games, like Burnout & others on 360,. this is usual for new consoles. Look at 360 for evidence....Only a rare few original ip's came at launch (none were great), & even less have come since due to poor hardware sales for the machine since launch.

Basically because of Xbox's widely known affiliation with pc handemedown FPS's & Halo...Everyone that was gonna buy it before Halo come s along has.....And after Halo comes, the same other 15million or so will jump on when the consoles price is right for them. And don't mention gears of war, as for starters it is an unknown IP at present & also looks to cater to the exact same market that Halo caters to.

I'm really enjoying this game. Sure it's no Final Fantasy but it still a lot of fun and I, personally, find the story to be quite interesting.

It makes complete sense that this would come out for PS3 eventually.

What your comments ignore is that sony was working on the Snes CD as well as their own console at the same time. They would have released the Snes CD and their own console (what we now know as the PS1) that would play SNESCD games and their own. That is what made Yamauchi terminate the business arrangement.

Wiion360

1- Dude, we aren't talking australia. We are talking worldwide. In the US and Japan and Europe it is launching at a MUCH higher price than even the closest competitor, let alone what the PS2 launched at. Besides, the price in australia was downed considerably in the following weeks. The PS2 also launched to no competition. The Dreamcast was already dying, and the competition was more than a year away.

2-Bzzt. Wrong. Sony themselves have admitted that Bluray increases the price and stalled production. Had PS3 been done with DVD, we'd be playing it now. Devs like Bluray because it means they don't have to compress data. It means they can be lazy. The only games this gen that have even come close to filling a DVD 9 are either badly coded or full of space wasting stuff. Oblivion on the 360 holds over 50 hours of audio on half of a DVD.

More space doesn't mean more gameplay. Someone still has to make the content, and there are multiple technologies out there expressly designed for decreasing disc space use. Worst case scenario, we swap discs a few times.

The N64 carts didn't work because they were proprietary and highly expensive (much like Bluray) and didn't provide enough space for cinematics, whihc were the big thing then. Now we have reached a point where most cinematics are done in engine,ather than pre rendered, since it takes almost no space on the disc.

3-Christ. The PS2 cost half what the PS3 will, sold most of its units when it hit $200, had no competition until a year later, and what competition wasn't that strong.

The PS2 wasn't hemmoraging franchises right and left. With development costs spiraling out of control, many devs can't afford exclusives anymore. which is why you see so many titles hitting so many consoles at once now. And some titles not even being made for PS3 due to the expence involved.

As for the PS3's lack of follow through, people are wise to that now. They know to expect disc read errors, they know about how twitchy the cell is, they know how unreliable Bluray is. They also know that Sony didn't deliver on its promises in the previous generation.Hell, the PS3 can't even play HD out of the box, let alone 1080p.

4-GTA was time exclusive. If you dind't want to wait a year, you bought it on playstation. Now it is just a multiplatform title. You honestly think GTA devotees are going to pay $200 extra when they don't have to?

It doesn't matter if you don't like Halo 2. It sold 2.4 million copies in 24 hours. It is one of, if not the fastest selling games of all time and the PS3 will never have it. Let alone Halo 3. But don't worry, they have their own 'generic FPS' in Resistence. I'm sure it won't suck nearly as bad as Killzone did. Of course with that Ai....

As for your 'list', I'm not even going into how flawed it is. Gears isn't unproven,it is one of the most heavily acclaimed games of E3 2006. And PS3 will never have it. The big PS3 game of the show was Asassin's Creed, whihc the 360 has same day.

5- Oh wow, the fanboy thinks I'm stupid. We'll see who is stupid when I'm playing some of the most acclaimed games of this generation for $200 less than you.

I agree that the PS3 does have a better launch lineup than the 360, but it isn't going up against the launch lineup now is it? And for the record, there were about 750,000 360s available and this was spread out across multiple territories. Do you even realize that the PS3 won't debut at #1 Japanese hardware sales when it is released? That's how few unites they have at launch. Seeing how sony has yet to even start producing PS3, they might not even make that. True that there are masses of 3rd party games for PS3, but they are also for the 360...$200 cheaper. I won't even go into the fact that it has 3 RPG's coming out for it by the guy who did Chrono Trigger.

And this is all just the 360. There is still the wii to look out for.

Wrong...... PS was always the cd add on for snes. There was no other independant PS standalone console in the works....You are now just being a blind fanboy & dying by way of the sword to protect Nintendo's wrongful actions. Sony's cd add on, only started evolving into a standalone console once Nintendo started attempting handshakes & deals behind there backs. That would be the reason why nobody else made a deal with Nintendo for the cd add on...No one trusted them after they burned Sony.

Not only that 3rd party developers despised them for limiting them to catridges once again, solely for the purpose of ripping them off with very high licensing fees. As well as not supporting 3rd party developers with game developement help & tools.

I was a huge Nintendo fan, until all this happend....Then when I became old enough, I realised just how greedy Nintendo are....This is proven by there unwillingless to risk financial loss on hardware by not offering next gen features....Also proven by the 14 different versions of a god damn gameboy, that suckers keep getting hit for.
Not to mention no fresh new ip's that don't involve mario, zelda or metroid.

Sony only retaliated to Nintendo's blatent disregard for a arranged business arangement.... And to add insult to injury, they were not honourable enough to even let Sony know what was going on. Sony had to hear 2nd hand about Nintendo's shady, backdoor dealings.

And I believe Sony told Nintendo where to go after learning Nintendo had been trying to seal a better deal behind there back. So Nintendo went out of there way to get Sony's involvement in a new cd add on, then they both sgned the dotted line, then Nintendo decided that phillips maybe able to give them a more profitable deal, so instead of telling Sony "Hey, we are re-thinking this one". They instead had secret meetings behind Sony's back.... Only for Sony to find out through media sources or leaks. Not only did Nintendo cost Sony money in RD, they also embarrased them.

For me, after this Nintendo shamed themselves & I have watched them suffer the hands of karma ever since. Sony deserved & made the sacrifices to get to no.1 & they deserve every success with PS brand. Each new console they have delivered has always been with risk to themselves & much critiscising on media & fangirls parts, each console they have released has always had a new disk medium. Never have they stagnated like nintendo with 15 years of the same old limited format.

Now with PS3, Sony are taking the biggest risk of all with blu ray, $300-$400 lossed on each console sold amongst other things. I will support Sony again, as I feel they offer the consumer the most choice & the better game selections.

Free online is still being criticised. Something FREE is being criticised. Something FREE that worked last time to an extent, & is now free again but has had time to evolve..... It's FREE for christ sakes..... MS fanboys gloat that LVE is better than Sony's online.......It should be you idiots, it's costing you money on top of what we already ARE FORCED to pay, broadband + the games......

If I had to pay $100 a year for Sony's online service, I'd understandably be pi$$ed & compare it to live.....If anything, serious online gamers should be questioning why LIVES charged service still has massive faults that are no worse on Sony's FREE service....Things like LAG, problems with matchmaking, hooking up with friends on various games. Why MS have imprinted into the brains of simpleton consumers that a charged online service is the norm for console gamers, when pc gamers have been playing better games on better servers for years for the cost of broadband ONLY.

So in closing PS3 looks to get a helluva lot of games once again, a helleuva lot of once thought to be 360 exclusives, & a comparable online service without the annual ripoff fee. And not only that team ninja are also making 2 PS3 games...mmmmmmmm.

Whether or not you accept it it is true.

And the reason why PNP is being taken to task is because sony promised the same thing with the PS2...and failed to deliver. PNP is the same as PS2 online except it has a bunch of non gaming applications. It relies on devs to use their own servers, not centralized ones. Which means the more people play, the worse the lag will be, there will be less of a mechanism to deal with cheaters, patching and such will also be difficult because it is not unified.

I'd love free live, but 50 bucks for over a year of online is peanuts.The reason PNP is attacked is because fanboys like you think it will be the live killer when in fcat it is the same crappy online as the ps2, just dressed up differently.

"Whether or not you accept it it is true."

Ok, Pedro the mexican, US border invaders "OPINIONS" are true now. The fanboy has spoken & delivered something that everybody has got as a truth.

"And the reason why PNP is being taken to task is because sony promised the same thing with the PS2...and failed to deliver. PNP is the same as PS2 online except it has a bunch of non gaming applications. It relies on devs to use their own servers, not centralized ones. Which means the more people play, the worse the lag will be, there will be less of a mechanism to deal with cheaters, patching and such will also be difficult because it is not unified."

Hence, why it is free. Once it's FREE, there is no justification to put it through the ringer. I have actually had & played both extensively FANBOY, & while LIVE had advantages (that I personally found useless...opinion remember fangirl) like friends list & such, I still found PS2's online to be more than functional when it came to ACTUALLY PLAYING GAMES ONLINE. Given the right game, it was a very functional FREE service. And given the fact compared to installed userbase, online console gaming is miniscule compared to offline console gaming. A charged service WILL NOT help it grow....It will basically still only sell to the same Halo generation of gamers. Standardise a charged service, until it's the only way seen fit, then see how long it will be until MS totally monopolises it & $50US a year becomes $100 a year US. By the way fanboy, I meant $100 Au.



"I'd love free live, but 50 bucks for over a year of online is peanuts.The reason PNP is attacked is because fanboys like you think it will be the live killer when in fcat it is the same crappy online as the ps2, just dressed up differently."

As long as the different dress attire includes a friends list, d'loadable content, minimisation of lag & matchmaking, then I see it as a very nice new dress code. Nobody, fangirl, especially me, said it was a LIVE killer.... Simply put a LIVE killer is not needed... As proven by the fact that PS2 had a bigger online community than MS's superior LIVE service. believe the no'.s were something like 2-2.5mill on LIVE & 3-3.5mill on PS2.

Looking at it from a percentage base of shifted units, yes MS has the better ratio.... But in the end that means little, as anyone that wanted to go online did on the console of there choice. Just like Halo's online greatness & popularity cannot be denied, neither can Socoms.

But people forget about the niche online games that die horrible deaths due to the popularity of sometimes overated games like these. I have come to reliase that if you don't buy the Halo's, Socoms, Battlefields & such, then you have wasted your money on a game that you will never be able to get a online match on. Until online gaming is popularised for the masses, games that do not deserve to...will die.

And until MS either come up with a better strategy & marketing to sell online gaming to the masses, Sony ahe the smarter, better idea by enticing them with the option being free. You MS fanwh@res really need to stop investing so heavily into online gaming on consoles for at least another 2 gens. LIVE will not determine the outcome of next gen console wars, as evidenced by the fact Nintendo have garnered so much headway, without any mention of any decent online plans.

Price will not determine it either fangirl. As shown with the last 2 gens, cheaper machines were available in the N64, Dreamcast, GC & they all got outsold by the more expensive PS1 & PS2. The facts are like this, true gamers will buy there console of choice regardless of price (within reason), regardless of media format. Most will buy based on games, franchises & controller of choice.

You my friend have been the fanboy throughtout this debacle by joining the ranks of the other myriad of 12yr old Sony bashers, without contributing anything that shows your distaste for Sony's machine or anyway for them to cater more towrads your & others tastes. Your close mindedness is the epitomy of the MS fangirls & the MS corporate structure.

I on the other hand have given valid reasons why I prefer Sony's consoles, what MS need to do to get my & other TRUE GAMERS attention, & what MS should be doing for the Japanese & Asian markets in general, where Sony generally clean up. I, unlike you, have nothing against MS, Sony or Nintendo really, I just don't see how you fangirls can single one out as the only offender of some bad-different decisions.

Maybe on your 13th b/day, once your 1st pube spawns out of nowhere & you are legally able to watch your favourite movie (brokeback mountain), you will have a better understanding.




Posted at 12:31AM on Sep 12th 2006 by Pedro Van Faulk

WiiOn360:
"Believe me, 3rd & 1st party developers have masses of PS3 games in production that...I don't even know about."


I think this sentence sums up your entire argument nicely. We should believe you about x piece of information because you don't know anything about it.

Make sense to me.

Seriously, can we all just give a round of applause for WiiOn360's impression of the most batshit insane brainwashed fanboy in the world! Does this guy know how to do satire, or what?!


......huh? Wait, you mean he's being serious? No fucking way! So, he actually believes what he's writing when he says:

"If anything, serious online gamers should be questioning why LIVES charged service still has massive faults that are no worse on Sony's FREE service....Things like LAG, problems with matchmaking, hooking up with friends on various games."

That's crazy. I mean, does this guy really believe that he has played games online with Sony's online service that doesn't exist yet on a Playstation 3 which also doesn't exist yet? And that he's played it with other people? For long enough to evaluate its lag versus Xbox Live's?

I'm kind of new on these message boards, so somebody please tell me this is just some extremely committed Andy Kaufman-esque satirist or some experimental military AI that we lost control of. Please tell me this guy isn't registered to vote.

I'm afraid I already know the answer though.

WiiOn360:
"Ok, Pedro the mexican, US border invaders"

Awesome! He's racist too! He's like a well of ignorance, constantly flowing forth

Sqirrellgrip you moron.

I never mentioned playing PS3's online servive, you uneducated retard with ears. I was comparing PS2 online as specified in my post. If you had of read it & had basic reading comprehension skills, your troubled brain may have picked that up.

Hey how bout that attempted humour of yours with the military experiment gone wrong thingy.... Hilarity at it's best.... Eddie muddafukkin Murphy.

You should enquire at your local family doctor on a regular basis, to see if scientists have developed a personality booster drug...... If he answers yes...... book yourself in for shots twice daily. you frankensteinesque, mentally innept, personality stricken, down syndrome & small man sydrome suffering gimp.

Go play on yoour local 12 lane freeway.

"Awesome! He's racist too! He's like a well of ignorance, constantly flowing forth"

Of course I am Squirrellphucker, ya fat obnoxious american scumbucket. You tell yourself that, whilst your shit country is blowing up innocent iraqis for no apparent reason. Go eat another hamburger you obese turd..... I feel your heart attack is not far off so enjoy life for the next 5-10years max.
If your a pom or aussie..same applies fatboy.

Now go use your acne cream on your lower extremities. Rub it all over that little zit looking thing between your cellulite ridden thighs..... If it doesn't dissapear in 2 days....then you really do have a dik.....Yes another one, besides the one sticking out of your forehead, retard.

By the way losing your virginity does not include with blood relatives.......So stop hounding your mother for some action, as I don't want to share the biiatch.

Another all-star comment riot via Joystiq, featuring racism and selpl ccehk. How would I get through my work day without you?

Getting back to the original post - as is mandated in the rules of the comments - I'm a little disappointed by the fact that EA is going to PS3. Part of what made the game so special was that it was an XBox exclusive JRPG: it's like a unicorn amidst a sea of white roses, even though it's not the best unicorn ever made.

Of course, there's no question that this won't really do much on the PS3 if the Sony-JRPG-dominance trend of the past two generations continues.

LOL I wonder how all these Sony fanboys feel now with Sony loosing almost all there exclusive 3rd party support, having a console that DIDNT match up to what they promised.. read up gents its all over the net at tech sites and what not.. lets not start showing off fanboy sites.

For the mate that said 360 had 400,000 at launch, try 800,000 and they sold out. Sony had 300,000 at launch. OOOPS... there you go again screwing yourself with sony BS. My PS3, sucks compared to even my Wii.... Oh well.. no one is probably reading this area anymore.. I just had to throw this in.

These comments are quite funny to read post-PS3 launch.