Columbine game scapegoated for Montreal shootings -- Joystiq

Columbine game scapegoated for Montreal shootings

by Kyle Orland { Sep 14th 2006 at 4:00PM }

The Toronto Sun (above) is one of a number of news outlets playing up the fact the Kimveer Gill, the shooter in a recent senseless attack at a school in Montreal, listed Super Columbine Massacre RPG as his favorite video game in a blog posting. At first glance, it seems like a natural connection -- a Columbine-style killer who was inspired by a game that lets you recreate the tragic events of the Columbine shootings. Yet while news outlets are quick to mention the game's scary name, or simply the fact that the killer "loved ... violent video games," no mainstream news source that I have seen actually looks at the game itself and why a disturbed, potential killer might be drawn to it.

More than the crass, exploitative murder simulator that you may expect from the name, Super Columbine Massacre RPG explores the motivations of the Columbine killers and the aftermath of their attacks using quotes and source material from those involved. The game does let you control Columbine killers Dylan Klebold and Matthew Harris, but doesn't come close to glorifying them or their actions. Rather, it shows the killers as confusing, troubled and deeply tragic figures.

Is this game the call to murder that the paper's are implying? Or is it a game that creator Danny Ledonne says "dares us into a realm of grey morality with nuanced perspectives of suffering, vengeance, horror, and reflection;" a game that Ian Bogost of Water Cooler Games called "brave, sophisticated and worthy of praise from those of us interested in video games with an agenda;" a game that a blogger at The Pale Writer called "one of the only psychological explorations of the Columbine killers ever completed."

The shootings in Montreal are obviously regrettable, but using the occasion to drag an important, intellectual, and well-made game doesn't do anyone any good.

Tags: columbine, crime, killer, massacre, shooter

Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)

Scott @ Sep 14th 2006 4:04PM

I really hope we dont see any dick comments from people about this shooting.

potato @ Sep 14th 2006 4:08PM

I can see another headline on that paper:

Pastry Killer: 'Danishes' was gunman's favourite before he went on Montreal killing spree...

I knew them damned pastries were up to no good. Ban them!

IanC @ Sep 14th 2006 4:07PM

Well we know we'll see comments from one person that id say is a dick.

OOOOPs @ Sep 14th 2006 4:07PM

The TO SUN is known for their in-your-face frontpage headlines; so, this one is not surprising.

Tillman @ Sep 14th 2006 4:08PM

Hey, according to the Toronto Sun, "Canada Rocks!"

Chris Taran @ Sep 14th 2006 4:08PM

And let's see how long it takes before Jack Thompson makes an appearance in this thread...

Jeff @ Sep 14th 2006 4:08PM

"The shootings in Montreal are obviously regrettable, but using the occasion to drag an important, intellectual, and well-made game doesn't do anyone any good."

It's pretty hard to describe a game as "intellectual" when it's got the title "Super Columbine Massacre RPG".

Sorry, but this is real life, not fantasyland - stuff like that counts. If these game creators wanted their game to be seen as "intellectual", then they should have presented it that way. They're presenting it as a game about killing large numbers of people. They brought this on themselves.

Look at it this way. All they've done by giving the game this title is provided a convenient media target. Part of being "intellectual" is being "smart", and I don't consider that very smart.

Matt @ Sep 14th 2006 4:09PM

The Toronto Sun is borderline tabloid journalism and the most sensationalist paper in the country. Trust me, I'm from Toronto.

I know other news outlets have made this connection but none have had the audacity to put that image on their cover. I saw this coming while watching the news coverage yesterday but still - discouraging.

BIGGEN @ Sep 14th 2006 4:10PM

dick comments? like the fact that he killed 1 out of 20 people which means he had to suck at that game he loved? that kind of comment? not trying to be a dick about the people who got hurt, but i was hoping that 1 he killed was himself.

h2c @ Sep 14th 2006 4:10PM

When a child plays a violent game, he will become violent! See, when Kimveer Gill played Super Columbine Massacre RPG, he went on a shooting spree!

To take it a step further...

When a child drinks milk in his youth, then he will become violent! See, when Kimveer Gill drank milk in his youth, he went on a shooting spree!

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The shooting was very unfortunate, but the tie in to video games makes me weep just the same.

FSK405K @ Sep 14th 2006 4:14PM

give me a break. Does this mean we have to listen to H. Clinton and Lieberman piss all over themselves again?

Lex @ Sep 15th 2006 5:18PM

If you actually look at the screens of that Columbine game it isn't a murder sim. It looks like a NES game and if you actually read the info on the site you will see that the game doesn't look to glorify anyone.

If people are really worried about their kids being exposed to violence then maybe they should ban all saturday morning cartoons first.

FSK405K @ Sep 14th 2006 4:16PM

Actually, #6, Jackoff made his appearance on Joystiq several hours ago, inserting something into the Wii DVD thread, of all places.

Matt @ Sep 14th 2006 4:18PM

What I find exciting is when Jacko Thompson releases his fake, quickly scribbled together "press releases" in random commentary sections of Joystiq's website. Apparently there's not much going on in Florida law, so he has to sit around killing time at work. :)

DrWhoeeeee @ Sep 14th 2006 4:19PM

Joystiq defends Serial Shooter, news at 11.

ZaBlanc @ Sep 14th 2006 4:18PM

#11

No, you'll hear from the right-wing crazies which will glum all over the media coverage and say that this is another reason why we need censorship for our kids.

Note that you will not hear them say anything about our gun problem.

Hillary will recognize this as a disgruntled child. games were his hobby, they didn't mold him. Lieberman, on the other hand, is still pandering to the right BIG TIME and you might hear from him.

I put $100 down that the politician you will hear the most from is.....................Rick Santorum (R-PA)

Vikram @ Sep 14th 2006 4:20PM

What this tragedy boils down to - and this really sickens me personally - is that Mr Gill got what he wanted. Why the fuck is his face on a newspaper giving loners and kids that are picked on have a poster child of vengeance? I just don't get how this guy get's to eat his cake by finding his fame (read: infamy) because B-grade publications and mass media despots like the ratings.

It's trash to even post his face on this website and try and skew this into a gaming article. People died and you're going to gloss that over with a 'regrettable' statement?

What I see is some introvert that saw through the fact that no matter how you spin what he was planning to do - his face would end up everywhere. He got that, and we all get to look at ourselves and question our morality for letting him get that.

Ralod @ Sep 14th 2006 4:18PM

I bet Jack Thompson, the ambulance chaser that he is, is already getting a lawsuit ready on behalf of the families involved. Just the hint of video games and he is ready to sue sue sue!

Maybe instead of putting the blame on video games they should look into this persons state of mental health. It is so easy for ignorant to put the blame on something they don't understand.

Matt @ Sep 14th 2006 4:20PM

Oops, in my previous comment (#14) I used the word "killing"... must be because I play videogames. Shoot! Oh my god, I did it again! :(

Satt @ Sep 14th 2006 4:20PM

THERE IS NO CANADA LIKE FRENCH CANADA, ISS THE BEST CANADA IN THE WORLD.

FSK405K @ Sep 14th 2006 4:20PM

LMAO h2c (#10)! Can I try some more?

When a child is visited by the tooth fairy, he will become violent! See, when Kimveer Gill was visited by the tooth fairy, he went on a shooting spree!

When a child lives in Canada, he will become violent! See, when Kimveer Gill lived in Canada, he went on a shooting spree!

When a child learns to read, he will become violent! See, when Kimveer Gill learned to read, he went on a shooting spree!

Ah, oh how I love how reporters work.

Jake @ Sep 14th 2006 4:20PM

And USA Today is mentioning that he listened to heavy metal, such as Marilyn Manson...they're always looking for somebody to point fingers at. Let video games and heavy metal alone, this kid had serious issues and nobody listened to him.

Dac Vin @ Sep 14th 2006 4:22PM

"The game does let you control Columbine killers Dylan Klebold and Matthew Harris"

Didn't you mean "ERIC Harris"?

Viridium @ Sep 14th 2006 4:22PM

h2c has hit the nail directly on the head. Once again, this is something that any first-year or even "armchair" psychology student will know:
CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSALITY!

There was an excellent article I read recently that helped reinforce that point. It dealt with a previous article that tried to link girls listening to "promiscuous" music leading to them becoming more promiscuous themselves. The rebuttal made a statement similar to the following: "Perhaps that girl who's still listening to Barney albums just isn't interested in sexual behaviour, and no amount of My Humps or Hips Don't Lie is going to change that." Essentially, the girls listenting to "promiscuous" music were already predisposed to such behaviour, and it was NOT induced by the music.

Anybody who draws conclusions that simply playing violent video games will cause similar behaviour needs to take a look at a lot more factors than simply that. Perhaps there's a higher incidence of murder involving a gun, when the player of violent videogames also actually owns a gun, and goes hunting every weekend and loves to shoot stuff. Maybe a guy like me who just enjoys FPS games and yet has no interest in actually handling a firearm is less predisposed to go on a murderous rampage, despite having played games such as Postal (which was pretty weak) and some of the Grand Theft Auto series.

Essentially, such basic conclusions are flawed. Once again, correlation does NOT automatically imply causality.

Logan @ Sep 14th 2006 4:22PM

Oh, in case any of you are wondering where Jack is, he's already posted his propaganda in the "Wii DVD playback" comments.

Oops.

Probot @ Sep 14th 2006 4:23PM

Ian Bogost has a nice response to all the media attention about the game:

http://www.watercoolergames.org/archives/000624.shtml

According to Bogost, there is really no basis for the attention garnered by SCM. It was just on his list of favorite games on some social netorking site. Also on his favorite list were works like Romeo and Juliet, Braveheart, Girl Interrupted.

@Jeff
"Sorry, but this is real life, not fantasyland - stuff like that counts. If these game creators wanted their game to be seen as "intellectual", then they should have presented it that way. They're presenting it as a game about killing large numbers of people. They brought this on themselves."

The title is deliberate. If you play the game, you'd see it is actually less violent than, say, Quake. However, the title would lead you to believe otherwise. One can't really judge the game if you haven't played it. That's one of the reasons for choosing a title like that.

I haven't played much of it, so I can't actually say if it is actually "intellecutal" but from what I've read, the game shows more depth than most.

One thing I wonder about though is whether this game shows that video games aren't capable of taking on serious matters. You can't have a game that deals with death, other than in a titalating way, or people think it's grotesque.

me2oo @ Sep 14th 2006 4:23PM

Doesn't distract that the game was quite tasteless... and crap (yes, I played it - lucky for all of us, the game 'developer' has mentioned that this would be his last game).

Artimus @ Sep 14th 2006 4:28PM

I feel bad for the developer of this game. He made it as a way of trying to understand all sides of Columbine, as a way to wrestle with such a travesty. And now he's being blamed for another one.

I'm curious, was the shooting that happened in a Montreal University in the 70s due to Pong?

Chris Taran @ Sep 14th 2006 4:28PM

@16

This is only if your being serious, but I'll just hope your joking:

Joystiq, if they were defending anything, was deffending the game and not the killer. Though the game may be poorly titled for something that was trying to be a intelectual dive into the psyche of the 2 Columbine killers, it still stands as a piece of software that was meant to explore the motives and situations of these murderers and not something meant to glorify and promote their actions.

PiratePete @ Sep 14th 2006 4:30PM

Wow, I never thought that my hometown's news paper (Or hometown for that matter) would ever be mentioned on this site.
The "SUN" tho is pretty much considered a borderline tabloid paper anyway.
Can't take them to seriously.

Erik Novak @ Sep 14th 2006 4:30PM

IM IN UR SKOOL KILLIN UR STUDENTZ

jc @ Sep 14th 2006 4:31PM

The Toronto Sun is a tabloid paper (sensational stories, half nude women and rants/raves about the MapleLeafs). Quoting them is like quoting the 'National Enquirer'.

Seeing Jack Thompson fall over himself in an attempt to equate video games to these tragic deaths is very sad. His balloon is now likely filled with enough hot air to carry him and his warped 'mission from god' to new heights... let's hope he hasn't heard of a story about 'Icarus'.

I have real empathy for the victims of this and all senseless tragedy... and simply blaming this group or that group is not a very effective strategy.

However, a quote from the Columbine game really stands out:

"My son was killed in this senseless tragedy. He is dead now because two angry boys had very easy access to guns."

Let's see if Jack Thompson (and the Toronto Sun) have the responsibility to chase down the gun manufactures, and prove they are interested in a real change.

2¢

TRUTH @ Sep 14th 2006 4:31PM

God Damn it! Its mentally retarded assholes like this that are going to f-up the entire gaming world. People always take the easy way out when placing the blame on something! Watch in ten years there will be so many restrictions on game design that we will be only playing Barbie Shit. And guess what? There will still be murders and violence in the world because it stems from other causes.

Carin @ Sep 14th 2006 4:31PM

How many gamers kill? How many games are violent?

Thats all I have to say.

Matt @ Sep 14th 2006 4:33PM

jc,

I doubt Jack Thompson will ever gain an ounce of responsibility. :(

fawazr @ Sep 14th 2006 4:34PM

Kinda tasteless to make a game about Columbine. Kinda tasteless to shower said game with undue praise. But then again most gamers aren't moralists, philosophers, or even (as indicated by a recent joystiq article) extroverts capable of thinking fom beyond the confines of their own insular existences. If (a big IF) some game did encourage a twisted man to go and injure those people and kill that 1 woman, it's unfortunate. It's futile to talk about blame and responsibility here though.

YouDon'tKnowJack @ Sep 14th 2006 4:42PM

jc, I don't quite follow your logic. So you don't think videogames should be held responsible for the acts of a madman, but guns should be? Hypocritical, no?

Exeter @ Sep 14th 2006 4:42PM

I've never played the game being discussed, but I question the wisdom in making an event that brought down serious heat on video games--and, more importantly, was a terrifying and grievous instance of violence directed at innocents--into any sort of game, the primary purpose of which is to entertain, not educate. If one is interested in learning about the sort of people Klebold and Harris were, and the larger sociological and psychological problems brought into the public eye by Columbine, one is not playing Super Columbine Massacre RPG; one is in a library or class on the subject. Saying that the game is intended to be "intellectual" is like saying that a cartoon such as "Family Guy" is meant to be anything other than crass--and entertaining. I wish the craftsmen of these things would have the courage to talk about them in a less duplicitous manner (As Calvins' mom said, "If you're going to shock and provoke, be sincere about it."), and that gamers were not so deluded that they believe they're doing anything other than enjoying a video game that...perhaps they shouldn't be.

I think the wise thing to do in all of these situations, in which video games are being called out into the spotlight to answer for society's ills, is to take the higher road and, as much as one can, keep one's mouth shut. To all of those who have prophesied the coming of Jack Thompson, you're acting foolishly and doing his work for him. To those who see this as the beginning of an offensive against video games, instead of just noting the awful event and getting on with your lives, there's something quite off in how you're approaching this: your pastime has become more important to you than empathy and reason.

thrillho @ Sep 14th 2006 4:42PM

i hope all this shooting ish doesnt delay the wii shotgun add-on.

sincerely,
a nintendo fanboy

crono141 @ Sep 14th 2006 4:44PM

Remember:

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Just as Video Games don't make people kill people, a disturbed and irational psyche makes people kill people.

illspirit @ Sep 14th 2006 4:50PM

Ugh. ZaBlanc, pay attention mate. 99% of the anti-game legislation is coming from extreme-left nanny-statist Democrats in blue states. With the exception of Brownback, Stearns, and a few others, most of the house and Senate Republicans could care less about violent games. In fact, Santorum, who you knee-jerk-edly brought up, has stood on stage beside the ESRB promoting parental education on the ratings, not legisaltion. Let alone the fact the "right-wing crazies" are making their own violent games now (See also: Left Behind).

If my old pal Jack Thompson pops up in this topic, even he'd be more than happy to tell you how the industry has bought favor with most on the right...

/Libertarian FTW

nothing dude @ Sep 14th 2006 4:48PM

Video games made him do it huh? that sounds like its coming from the same irrational people who think that the nintendo wii is too expensive to buy.

eight @ Sep 14th 2006 4:52PM

Think of it this way. It happened in Canada, i dout Thompson has a license to practice law there. Concider yourselves luckey fair neighbors.

Campion @ Sep 14th 2006 4:53PM

Please note that reading the Sun chain for news is like eating at McDonald's for beef.

Chuck C @ Sep 14th 2006 4:54PM

When will these people stop linking crap like this to videogames.

People that commit such acts have issues long before they picked up the controller.

When Frogger came out, was there a huge increase in traffic fatalities from kids running in the street?

Probot @ Sep 14th 2006 4:54PM

Exeter,

"I've never played the game being discussed"

If that's the case, then don't try to talk about it. It's free if you are serious about discussing it:

http://www.columbinegame.com/

You're whole premis is that video games are an entertainment medium and nothing more. You're obviously wrong, but you go further by saying that animation is for entertainment only. Have you ever read "Maus"? It's not a children's comic book, despite the use of the graphic novel medium.

Any medium can be used to express emotion. Obviously video games are new to this level of emotion, so they are being criticized for any attempt. But the game does not gloify the killers. It tries to look beyond the sensationalism and get at something more. And the game is made by a kid that was in Colorodo, going to a nearby school, when it happened.

You can read exactly what he has to say about the game here:

http://www.columbinegame.com/statement.htm

James @ Sep 14th 2006 4:58PM

ARGH! When will the media realize that video games are the most mainstream form of entertainment in the U.S. and Canada (besides Television)? Gamers are not all 17-year old punks, far from it. When's the last time you heard TV getting blamed because a murderer watched violent TV?

Ignorance is not bliss. Video Games did not make this kid a killer. It probably didn't even do a damn thing to him. This a killer who happened to play computer games.