Wii hardware to be profitable at launch

Chris,

Do I come off a bit forced? If so, I can tone it down. :)

In my eyes, such keen attention to good business practices keeps investors and shareholders happy, and guarantees that whatever the NEXT generation brings, Nintendo will be a part of it.

If Microsoft doesn't turn a profit in, what was their target, '07, '08, with the 360 after losing 4 BILLION DOLLARS breaking into the market with the XBox, and countless more with the 360 thus far, do you think their higher ups are going to have any qualms about pulling the plug? It COULD happen, if things don't pan out. That's what happens when you walk the tightrope. Take a look at Sega's financials sometime. :)

This is like a Sony fanboi and Microsoft fanboi circlejerk.

On topic though, like you said: Show me great games, and Nintendo can profit off this blogger all they want.

I'm currently playing a 5 year old game on the PC. Does that mean it sucks and isn't profitable? Far from it.

If nintendo did business like Sony or Microsoft... Nintendo bashers predictions of them collapsing like sega would be coming true right now.

Nintendo can't afford to mortgage the company when competing against Sony and Microsoft who can afford to lose billions without blinking.

But on the otherhand...

If the PS3 comes in 3rd that means blu-ray is also probably a failure and Sony going to have to face major layoffs and cutbacks. If the 360 comes in 3rd microsoft will have lost even more millions than they did with the Xbox may start re-thinking they're commitment to home consoles. If the Wii comes in 3rd they still won't have touched their cash on hand (reportedly $500 million) they'll still have the DS cash cow and being that its the only industry they're in, they will start production on the next gen console.

Wow, ya'll just crack me up...

I like comment #4... the random fanboy comparing Nintendo to Apple as if it's a bad thing. Sure, Apple may have been lagging in the PC market for many years, surviving by only "milking their fanbase for profits." But guess what. Markets change, all the PC clones became boring, and then Apple came out with a computer accessory (the iPod) which may have been technologically inferior to its competitors, but had the advantage of being easy to use, sexy to look at, and just plain fun. And what is the de facto standard for music players now? And by kicking butt with one product, they've also made more sales on their other products. So why again is being "the next Apple" so bad?

And then there are half the folks in these comments (too many posters to list by name) who make so many comments about how nintend doesn't know hat it's doing and that the price is too high because the poster personally won't buy one at the announced price point. Well here's a quick question for you... how many people who have posted in this thread have either a formal education or job specifically in business and/or economics.



Yeah. I didn't think so. So how about we leave running the business to the folks who know what they're doing, and just sit back and enjoy the product they're selling.

At least Nintendo is making a profit by selling a product that people ant to buy at a price the majority are willing to pay for. Operating at a loss means that either your company is not going to be around for long (which is bad for customers who have already bought your product) or your company is profiting by taking advantage of government handouts (which can come in many different forms)that hurt all consumers/taxpayers.

Okay, a long rant, but really, ya'll need to stop complaining so much when the world isn't run according to your own personal whims.

NINTENDO Must profit at least $20 of it's remote

Just a few points:

1) Calling the Revolution (nope, still not using that other name) a "pimped out GameCube" is still presumptuous. When you're screwdriver deep on the chasis, then you can make your decision. Is it the least powerful graphically of its generation? Yes. Is it so slow it ought to be called last gen? To be determined, but not from the video I've seen.

2) The SNES was technically superior to the Genesis. On all the other points, I agree with the above list (the PS2 was also the slowest machine, and it DOMINANTED the last hardware cycle).

3) Ragging on the Revolution by comparing it to the DS is kind of counter-productive, isn't it?

4) Graphics are important. Yes, they are. And not just graphics, but less obvious things like physics engines and polygon counts. And despite those facts, it's important to once again remember that the PS2 was the poorest performer of the last cycle, but was the clear and away victor.

5) It's also important to remember that despite the vastly underused capacities of the GameCube, it was actually a very powerful little purple boxy thing. It lacked the Xbox's T&L magic, but its texturing was incredible and it usually maintained a staggering 60FPS output, even in its medium-def (not really high def) 480P progressive scan mode.

6) Part of what makes the insane enemy counts in Dead Rising possible is the very clever clipping of the map layout and the generous re-use of textures and models on the zombies. Impressive. Cool as hell. But sneakily brilliant from a design standpoint. A lot of the best effects in games are pulled off not by raw computing power but by intelligent programmers who know how to fine tune a game for its system. The 360 is in many ways the successor to the Xbox (which shares a lot of similarities to PC programming), so most game studios really know how to push the limits. The Revolution being the bastard son of the GameCube will actually be, in some cases, an asset.

7) Companies make profits. That's why they exist. Nintendo doesn't make mediocre office tools or over-rated stereos on which to bankroll its console sales. Is it really great for gamers that they can get a console below cost because companies are so desperate for marketshare that they will sell them at a loss? Yes, yes it is. But are we so spoiled that we expect and even DEMAND companies to sell at a loss for our attention and convenience? I really hope not.

Please Sony makes the blue ray...LOL They make the cell...LOL In a year or two both tech will be cheap as hell to make... Do you think the price of 600 is going to budge NOPE. I'd rather a company make a profit out of 250 rather than a cool 400 to 600 on tech we all know is going to drop over 50 percent in the future. Hell If you remember DVDs players cost around 300 to 400 dollars when the PS2 came out... now they are like 50 dollars... LOL Did the PS2 price drop that much...LOL NO

SO if you are mad that nintendo is going to make a profit off out of 250 dollars and feel like 400 to 600 for high def gaming is a ok then your obviously trying to do two things. Prove your loyalty for another console or try and whine so that nintendo drops the prices...LOL please It's not going to work man...LOL

Plus too if you feel it's over price then go buy a game cube and then go and pick up zelda. If you really think that these games can be done on the xbox or game cube then go get your start up money and make us console players a crysis killer because you obviously know more about the hidden power of both systems to warrent that comment.

To bobby.. Yeah I want the specs too but they are going to make me feel like I should or shouldn't buy it. I'm more curious to know what it can really do and if they even added any cool tech that could be passed on the vid cards and workstations. As for gamers using specs to buy a system... not a good idea... Shouldn't you be hyped about games? Well I guess thats why nintendo is doing what they are doing because specs couldn't even get the old atari a sell before the crash... and the Neogeo blew every thing away it seemed but no one wanted to Pay money for the console...LOL a quarter to a dollar was all that system would get...LOL Now where are the arcades? I mean good luck with rushing out to the arcade because some ungodly game has been released and you just have to see and play it.

If you look at things... Sega dieing off as an hardware maker should have been a wake up call. Arcades dieing should have been a wake up call.
Sony and MS making consoles that basicly uses HD and movie play back to hang on to value should have been a wake up call. 3D bleed the industry... in a bad way... Lots of 2d producers went away simply because Comapnies would not let them make a profit off of what founded video games 2d game play. Atol of creative people where lost. This industry need creative people more than tech though. Any company can prodive tech.

Getting mad at a company that may have you pay for a new experience... Thats priceless...LOL Them making a profit off of it... What you though this industry was an art gallery or some thing
...LOL Pay to play... Go buy a checker board or some thing dang..
Well I'm off my soap box for now...

Another thing that's worth stressing is that Nintendo has ALREADY taken a massive loss on the whole Wii venture. Years of R&D are never cheap, and you get no immediate return on them. That's a loss Nintendo CAN afford, they certainly do have money in the bank, but they can't just continue to spend and spend (or, if they can, they shouldn't.)

I know there are people who think, well, if they get $10 per game sold, and the average owner buyjust five games, they can sell at a $50 loss and still make money. This is incredibly wrong. They still have to recoup everything they've invested in research and design. They have to make money to pay their many, many employees day after day. These are not small costs.

@29
I'm sorry my english sucks... I only got a 20 on my english ACT when everything else was in the 30's, especially when I try to convey (?convay?) a angry reponse to idiot sony and microsoft fanboys... Nintendo has never failed me since I've been 4 and my first gameboy... My asperation is to work for nintendo one day but digipen is too far away... but anyway about the whole more power = new games like dead rising, dead rising could be done on any system you'd just have to make primarily graphical adjustments, and also that is only one game, compare that to all the Maddens and other shiny new sports, racing, shooter, rpgs, and fighter games that don't offer anything besides pretty graphics

one thing that this definately means is Nintendo has much higher margins than the competition. This means they can make more profit with fewer systems sold. I have a feeling that their games will have a larger margin as well. If it is fun, everyone is happy. right?

1up -

Your analysis forgets something crucial. Those machines that were technically inferior that won, all happened to have the best game library. Those franchises that made the PS and PS2 so dominating in terms of sales, are not on the Wii. Nintendo's 3rd party gaming woes continue to exist, and will get worse - the games that developers will make for the 360/PS3 won't be capable of running on the Wii. If there wasn't a linear connection from console power to sales, then next generations wouldn't happen, and we'd all still be playing on the NES. Your history argument...kinda dumb.

@ #20, striderhayasa...

I know that your issue with Metroid Prime 3 has already been mentioned in these comments, (that it won't be a launch title, so online play is still very likely) I wanted to address your mention of your "40GB HDD" that's waiting around your house... If this has already been addressed, then please forgive me for repeating.

External storage outside of SD cards is not supported. They had originally said that it would be, but in comments today, the Big N said that SD is all.

"36. I am sick to death of the people here who know nothing about business. Nintendo is a video game company. It cannot afford to lose money on a console like Sony and MS can because it doesn't have millions of billions of dollars from other areas to eat up those costs. It HAS to make at least a little on the console. Seriously, get with the program, stop whining about companies actually making *shudder* profits, read up on video game history, and just enjoy the Wii for it is - one hell of a cool system."

Nintendo needs money? c'mon. they can afford to loose a million or two for a year. They have the cash cow that is the DS, and Nintendo's software will be the only million sellers for the rest of the year. So I will enjoy the Wii for what it is... screenshots on a website. On November 19th, it will be what you say.

"THE LEAST POWERFUL CONSOLE ALWAYS COMES OUT ON TOP.

In terms of technical power:
NES < Sega Master System (NES won)
Game Boy < Every other handheld (GB won)
SNES < Genesis (SNES won)
Playstation < N64 (PS won)
PS2 < XBOX + GC (PS2 won)
DS < PSP (DS is still winning, despite what fictional numbers Sony fanboys like to come up with say)
Wii < XB360 + PS3 (Tee-hee-hee)"

Hmm, your figures are missing a few numbers.
DC < PS2 (Ps2 won)
Gamecube < Xbox (Xbox won)
PSX = Saturn (PSX won)

That argument reminds me of the PS2 launch when everyone said the PS2 was going to fail because black colored consoles always lose. Secondly you argument holds less water as in all your examples, the victors were the first consoles out. (hence the reason for being the weakest)

I'm with Erik on the whoe Wii60 thing.. though i'm dissapointed in the price tag so I may hold off till the price drop... but just as every Wii fanboy is offended by the "suped up gamecube" remark, so am I about the "souped up xbox" remark. The entire intigration of Xbox Live is second to none. It's very pleasing, as a gamer, to pop on my console, grab a demo for a game, being able to download trailers for games being shown off at game shows (Haveing the option to d/l all the new game trailers in HD AS or before MS's press conference started was awesome. I had the chance to see all those games before even the E3 Attendees did... and MS is promiseing the same for TGS and X06) Add in voice chating while playing any game, friends list leader boards, gamerscore... It's a unique experince.... just beyond the wiz-bang graphics. I mean.. there is this friend, of mine, who is kinda annoying and likes to brag. So, I play Geometry Wars, and after each game, i can see how close I am to beating his high score. Nothing was more satisfying then when I finally beat it and sent a voice message to him, talking smack back at him. The Wii can't give me that.

No. the Wii is totally different... or will be. The Wii will be about shoving my friend over while playing madden so he picks the wrong play. Exerting energy into it. And having fun flailing my sword around in Multi-play Red Steel. Is one experince inferior? No, they are different. And they are both what makes gameing Fun.

The real people that lose with the higher than expected wii price are the third party game makers. They were under the assumption that the system would be cheap and would driven to success by the price tag and innovation in the hardware and games. I think nintendo waited on the price so that they could get the internet all riled up about how great the system is. This would in turn motivate the 3rd party gamemakers to jump aboard, just creating more good news for the system. Now that the gamemakers have invested their money in the games they're releasing, Nintendo raises the price (Nintendo knew that everybody assumed it would be $200) and they are virtually stealing from the game makers. The people who were set to get a wii will still get one at $250, but if they walk in the store intending to spend $350, it's basically a lost sale on a game for another company.

How dare Nintendo make money instead of caring about the customers! If every corporation cared about making money, they would all go out of business!

Seriously, this ain't exactly a shiny Cube. The only statistic I've ever seen on speed was pulled, but developers say that it's "two or three" times faster. That ain't OMG MULTICORE, but it's not "last gen" either.

So, why does everyone keep saying they should sell it for $150 and take a *32% loss on each system sold? That's only twenty bucks more than the DS Lite! Even the full priced PS3 is projected to lose only 25%. Usted es loco?

#7(appropriate name): You missed a few.

Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII
Call of Duty 3
Excite Truck
Far Cry: Vengeance
Gottlieb Pinball Classics
GT Pro Series
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metal Slug Anthology
Red Steel
Rayman Raving Rabbids
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Trauma Center: Second Opinion

And please note that those are just from the *confirmed* list of titles. Next time you lie by ommission, do it right.

i think we'd be lucky if we can buy the wii at the 250 price point.

similar to xbox 360, this should sell out from stores quickly. many of will have to go to Ebay and buy our units at much higher markup. remember, people waited in line for up to 4 hours in E3 to play with the unit. there are enough people who would rush out to buy the unit.

in a way, the higher initial price means less to those who will profit from selling on Ebay. The higher proceeds to Nintendo will at least help the company fund more cool games for all of us to enjoy.

@15,

"A new processor, new graphics card, new control method, new media, new output resolution, new online capabilities, new name, new style...yeah, this is a Gamecube alright."

First of all the processor and graphics chip aren't new, they're retooled versions of Gecko and Flipper from Gamecube running at higher clock speeds, and since they're using 90nm tech, they're almost surely cheaper to make. As for the media, Wii uses the same DVD tech as Gamecube with a larger disc size, and for resolution, even PS2 supported resolutions higher than 640x480. As far as the name and style go, "A rose by any other name..."

True, the motion sensing tech must cost something, but since you can buy a Wiimote and Nunchuck for about $47 in Japan, and the sensor bar is basically a few infrared LEDs used for spatial reference, I don't see how that justifies a price like this. Same thing for a WiFi chip like the one included in every $129 DS.

I hate it when people classify the Wii as having "older" technology. Do I see any computers or game consoles with a processor previously codenamed "Broadway"? Nope. Do I see any computers with a GPU condenamed "Hollywood"? Nope. In fact, we know nothing official about the Hollywood GPU.

Sure the Wii is weaker, but weaker doesn't mean older at all.

Now the DS using inferior computing technology is actually true. The DS uses 2 32-bit ARM processors, the ARM 7 and the ARM 9. The ARM 7 was used in the GBA, and guess where the ARM 9 was used? Nokia N-Gage.
Yup, the DS's processing power would technically be equivalent to the GBA processing power + the N-Gage processing power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture

Sorry for getting off topic a little, but I just had to say what I knew.

Of course it's profitable. A gamecube cost like $50 to make, and all this is is a slightly better one. $250 for this with one complete controler and some shitty game they are charging us $35 for is crazy.

#65 - It is hardly a higher clocked version of the Gecko and Flipper. The Wii has realtime lighting a la Doom 3, specular highlighting, bloom, a bunch of effects that didn't even exist in PC gaming back when the Gamecube is released.

The new Metroid Prime 3 and XMen Alliance videos I saw today really surprised me as far as how strong they looked. They blew the E3 footage away (which incidentally were running on refitted Gamecubes). The only place it is significantly lagging is the lack of HD. I will miss it, but the fact that it has to draw fewer lines is the main area where the Wii will save money as far as the cost of hardware.

The Wii has more power under the hood than you think.

@ Blake

I commented out of anger initially, which I'm guilty of doing from time to time. I apologize. Let me respond in a more civil tone.

I don't appreciate when the people in the comments sections post unsubstantiated lies and ridiculous hyperbole in regards to *any* of the consoles' capabilities. Now one of the bloggers puts it right on the front page. It made me so furious I couldn't even type straight. Criticizing an *actual* flaw is one thing (no HD, no DVD, etc.). Even calling the hardware inferior to the other two is fine (because it's true). But claiming that the hardware is "not new" or it's "five years old" is just plain false.

You are feeding misinformation to the fanboys who believe you know more than they. They think the Wii is a Gamecube with a new controller. You know better than that, right?

Why is everyone in a hissy fit over Nintendo making a profit? If you were in the business, wouldn't you want YOUR company to make money? And lets look at the history (again)... Out of the Big 3, Nintendo has always ever been the only one to make good profits on their systems. Why are people complaining about it now?

And why do specs and graphics have to matter so much? I agree that pretty graphics can be great. Some games deserve pretty graphics because it really helps the overall feel of the game. ... but do you really NEED them that badly to have a good time playing a game? There are people who have already decided that Wii-Sports won't be fun, just because the graphics are more light-hearted in their design. What about that more important thing called GAME PLAY. And what happened to having fun just for the sake of having fun?

i used to think of microsoft as an evil company, but not so anymore. bill gates contributes a, shit, load, of, money to charity (specifically to the african continent.)

also, i believe that even though nintendo wants profit (its a company after all) it cares for the video game industry. i mean, look at what its trying to acheive with the ds and wii.

i just need to figure out sony. if anyone could help, i'd appreciate it.

#68,

I don't know exactly what you mean by "lighting a la Doom 3", but yes, it looks like Wii is capable of some normal mapping. For that matter, though, some Xbox games have also featured this. As far as bloom, even PS2 titles such as ICO have featured that.

I've read many comments from developers saying that Wii's architecture is extremely similar to Gamecube's with a faster CPU and more RAM to work with. I think that guessing at new features beyond that is pretty iffy. I agree that some of the new games' graphics are better, it makes sense since developers have had practice working with Gamecube and now the faster chips and More RAM help out.

Yes, some companies care nothing else but for the profits. It's true.

Nintendo is not like this & all the years they've been in the business shows this.
It is a business's goal to make money; that's a no-brainer. Their intellectual & physical labor that goes into making these machines & the games that play on them. It's only fair to offer a tribute.

And Nintendo has little strategies they use to make their products profitable. Some of them may be questionable (such as the reiterations of the handhelds every other year or so) but it is the cost we pay for the admittedly good products they produce.
They don't sell on baseless hype.
Any hype Nintendo receives is backed by substance.
They simply make good stuff & that is commendable when it is so easy to half-ass it after success.

As a matter of fact this very thing ruined Atari, the first big gameconsole superstar company that brought many of us into this world of game. You couldn't have seen the end of the 1980's without Atari as a major player in the year 1980, year of the Pac-Man, but that's exactly what happened.
They got full of themselves & suffered the victory curse. This is how the scene of gaming shifted from USA to Japan in the 1980's.
And Nintendo was the one instrumental & causative in this shift.

And the reason they succeeded was because they built good products at reasonable prices.

They've been at it for nearly 25 years in the homeconsole arena & the fact that you can automatically assume at the VERY least "good product/good titles" with the word "Nintendo" shows that they have earned that loyalty that so many writeoff irresponsibly as "fanboyism".
There is no BAD Nintendo-produced game. At worst the game is merely "good". Mostly it's revolutionary or legendary.

To those who think Nintendo is ONLY about the money, you're overly cynical & not really taking stock of what is happening.

They DO have a care behind what they do. This is why they go through painstaking lengths to make sure their hardware & software are up to par in durability & in accessibility of use. This is why they refuse to overprice their items after success when it is easy to do so. This is why their customer service is excellent.
They care about their customers because they understand that without them they'd be nowhere.

I'm still a little grumbly with Nintendo breaking the $200 launch tradition with the Wii for the Americas & of the fact that they didn't include 2 Wiitroller combos in the set among other lesser things...but in the end I understand that they're still keeping it very reasonable for the stuff they are giving us. A Free Online service weathers down that grumbling. I really can't complain that much.

In essence Wii is STILL at $200 if you count the core product without the Wii Sports game. Actually the tradition hasn't been broken. Nintendo stopped the launch game pack-in/double controller pack-in with the N64, 10 years after NES' debut. They've adjusted to economical inflation by stripping down the launch package to keep it at $200. To keep launching systems at $200 at over 20 years is actually commendable.

That to me shows care. Stamps have gone from 22 cents in '85 to 39 cents in '06. You don't wanna talk about gas prices. Things have gone up tremendously yet Nintendo remains fixed at that economical price point.
That shows that Nintendo operates to an internal philosophy designed both for business health AND for customer satisfaction. I can't hate on that & I thank them for it. So many business get greedy & slack on their goods & expect to retain their base of buyers.

I'm only concerned about the launch deal because it WILL potentially dissaude the non-gamer buyers from jumping in.
It's hard ENOUGH just getting someone to consider a game system if they don't play games. Some would scoff even at $200 but that is a very fair price to launch with to ease that worry. Wii Sports packed in is integral to the system's philosophy so I understand why it's in there right out of the box. But then they didn't include 2 Wiitroller combos. This will make the Wii Tennis section of the game less exciting. You want to get people playing this thing *together* right from jump. And buying another Wiitroller combo at a combined $60 is a turn-off to a non-gamer.

I guess that's more of my worry than anything. I as a gamer understand the tech & the assortment of goodies they are putting in this thing so I'm willing to go over my $200 limit because the package is just that damn good. I only worry how the non-gamer will take it.

We'll see & after 1st price drop is when Wii REALLY takes off.
I WANT them to be profitable because I want this company who provides such painstaking care for the stuff they make with mind of the people they make it for to stay in business to provide us more.

It's not blind loyalty why I like the Nintendo company.
They've EARNED this respect.
They've EARNED this loyalty.
As long as they continue to do good work, I'll back them.
John Lucas

Wait, Nintendo will be making money? WTF?!?! How dare they?! They won't be getting my money!!

I just hope that not everygame you have to swing like a mad man or woman when you get home tired from work and school or just work or just school.

I stick with the logic of whoever entertains me the most or enough to make it worth my time and money gets my time and money. I'm supporting Nintendo on this console because it will no doubt be worth my time and money and if not well the sure did fake it well, looks like a blast and a great way to get some loved ones back into gaming that I've been trying to do forever. I have a 360, wanted to get a game to emulate the entertainment I felt from some fps's on the xbox like farcry and halo but really I'd say for the amount of enjoyment I get out of it vs the money I spent on it wasn't worth it, but I have hopes for the future. Some good games coming out soon.

And in all honesty I don't think anything Sony can do will be 600 dollars worth of enjoyment ontop of it being a risky purchase. They haven't shown me anything to make me want it and they keep lying to me. So well I guess this will be the only console I haven't bought in a long time, may pick one up from a pawn shop in a year or two for 1/3 the price or less.

Anticrawl

You're ALL stupid.

Someone here said that they should 'take the loss' and sell it at $150.

Man... Is NOTHING good enough for you greedy mother fuckers? For all of you who bitch and complain about the fact that Nintendo (who OWNS you because they've been in the biz for FAR longer than the very first Nintendo deck...) is making an ACTUAL PROFIT from the Wii...

YOU'RE NO BETTER. They want to MAKE a little money for once... YOU'RE just pissed off at that idea because YOU want to SAVE a little money.

Well WHO DOESN'T want to save money? But dude... SERIOUSLY... $150?

THEY SOLD THE FUCKING GAMECUBE FOR THAT MUCH FOR MOST OF THE TIME IT WAS OUT, YOU IDIOT.

This time they're making one HELL of an innovative machine. It has all kinds of new features that most of you out there would never have even DREAMED of. It's the ONLY machine among this next round that truly IS "next generation".

Yet here we have MS touting $300 - $400 for THEIR beast...which if you'll recall was released TOO EARLY with all of it's heat issues. Then we have SONY. (Those EVIL MOTHER FUCKERS...who happen to have a great little machine themselves...which dies frequently for no apparent reason. Usually the disc reader assembly.) Their presiden, Mr. Ken Kutaragi...is ON RECORD as having told the general public in a press conference that basically... If you DON'T like the price, go out and get another job to pay for it. (YES folks. He ACTUALLY said that.)

Yet THEY'RE asking for $500-%600!! Blu-Ray is NOT worth THAT FUCKING MUCH. Not to mention that PS3 probably won't even start production until it's too late in the game and they'll HAVE to cut their prices to atone for it. Who will give a shit THEN? They'll all be too busy; happily waving their Wii-mote.

But you're all PISSED OFF and going anti-Nintendo just because they were OPEN and HONEST about the fact that they'll actually make a profit from the machine.

The simple question to ask ALL of you out there BITCHING about Nintendo - a BUSINESS - making some money is this:

If you were a business...would you NOT want to make money from your product?

*hears silence*

That's what I THOUGHT.

WE get a low-priced, high-quality gaming machine. THEY make a little profit. This is HARMONY, mother fuckers. Something we are usually supposed to STRIVE to live in.

And yet you complain.

STFU.

To John Lucas @ #71...

HELL YEAH. Way to stick it to'em!

All of what you said goes hand-in-hand with what I was getting at in my post (#80).

I'm a bit more harsh about it, I suppose.

Don't blame me. I just woke up. LOL

.....WHY the heck is everyone complaining about the price on this thing?

I mean, holy CRAP.

.....Im having trouble just THINKING STRAIGHT due to some of the incredible flaming STUPID that I've read in some of these responses.

Everybody's whining about the price and "ZOMG NINTENDO IS A BUNCH OF GREEDY JERKS LETS NOT BUY FROM THEM". So, those people, instead of buying a system that STARTS at $250, will go and "intelligently" buy Sony's little nightmare for SIX HUNDERED DOLLARS. WHICH, will probably break down or violently explode a month after purchase.

Im no Nintendo "fanboi". I've hated them for quite some time. They've made quite a number of big mistakes in the last couple years. But fact is, they've LEARNED from their mistakes.

Anyone who goes and buy's Sony's console over Nintendo's, not because of the GAMES they want, but because "Nintendo is greedy and Sony isnt", is an **IDIOT**.


Sorry, normally I dont get so..... vocal, but this..... is simply too stupid.