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Posted: Sep 15th 2006 10:58PM jccalhoun said

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Jack,
How is a Bar Complaint any form of litigation? A Bar Complaint is simply that, a complaint and the Florida Bar is not governmental organization. If it isn't litigation how can it be a SLAPP?

Additionally, "Super Columbine Massacre" is an RPG, not an action game, therefore, it would seem highly unlikly that anyone could train to kill someone with it.

Finally, this latest incident was committed by a 25 year old. You have repeatedly stated that you don't want to ban these games, just prevent minors from playing them. If this is the case, then how would any laws preventing the sale of violent videogames to minors have prevented this tragedy?

Posted: Sep 15th 2006 11:15PM (Unverified) said

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Okay every one of those politicians want to ban video games because you can kill virtual characters yet no one has said "Lets ban hunting because you kill REAL animals and no politician has said "lets ban shooting ranges because you shoot a REAL gun" anybody see where im going with this?

Posted: Sep 15th 2006 11:49PM (Unverified) said

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This is Jack Thompson, the man who threatened to Sue every single member of Game Politics because he couldn't figure out how to turn off the Auto Email feature. Truly a Giant among men who knows, understands and is comfortable with new technology.

I suggest that anyone with questions regarding Mr Thompson visit a site not related to computer games. Since gamers can have really heated opinions.

I personally would suggest a search on http://www.overlawyered.com, another site Mr Thompson has crossed on occasion.

Take a look, in particular at Mr Thompsons comments, he's always proved himself to be sadly lacking in his ability to communicate with those he disagrees with, leaping instantly to the worst insults that he can think of and what can only effectively be described as an online 'Tantrum'.

Posted: Sep 15th 2006 11:51PM DonaldMick said

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Another Canadian school shooting - this one 8 days after Columbine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._R._Myers_High_School_shooting

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 4:26AM (Unverified) said

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I previously posted these comments at the URL below under the username "BlackDeath13". These comments represent my heartfelt opinions on this terrible tragedy.

http://vampirefreaks.com/journal_comment.php?pg=1&entry=2839777#comment



This whole situation is just sad; yet another product of an apathetic, hateful society with tragic results. Besides the victims, one can only imagine what went through this guy's mind that led him to this horrible conclusion... years of built-up hate and bullying perhaps, with all the so-called telltale signs of a psychopath ready to unleash .. Just read his blog:

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Stop Bullying

It's not only the bully's fault you know!!
It's the teachers and principals fault for turning a blind eye, just cuz it's not their job. You fuckers are pathetic.
It's the police's fault for not doing anything when people conplain (oops, my mistake, the cops are corrupt sons of whores, so it's not like they can do anything about it.)

FUCK THE POLICE

It's society's fault for acting like it's normal for people to be assholes to each other. Society disgusts me.
It's everyone's fault for being so apathetic towards fucking everything that doesn't affect them personally. FUCK YOU SOCIETY.
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I don't think he could have been any clearer, yet no one seemed to care enough to do anything about it, thus allowing yet another societal monster to breed, leading to one inevitable conclusion: death and suffering to the individual and all whom he comes into contact with, manifesting in the form of either early death caused by depression or other emotional/mental illness, suicide, homicide, ect.

I can personally relate to being picked on in school , and the authority figures who don't give a damn . It sucks, and I hated some of those SOBs for that, but somehow I managed to get through it, making the conscious choice that "I will survive and overcome this." Now I'm in college and on my way to earning a BS degree. Despite some emotional and personal problems, I'm proud of what I've achieved thus far... but perhaps this guy experienced ten times the turmoil that I went through, or was mentally ill; who knows. I am just glad that I'm not him.

Eerily though, on the surface it seemed as though I had a lot in common with this guy (minus the guns & overall hatred of humanity), like love of goth culture; black/death metal; that Nirvana song "You know Your Right"; the list of movies & videogames I watch/play; feeling depressed and disillusioned with society; an (apparent) unrequited love that drove me into a downward spiral that I am still recovering from; love for the story of "Romeo & Juliet" and poetry... I even scored similiarly in that Personality Disorder Test he took, and I just recently started listening to Cradle of Filth's "Nymphetamine Mix" song (the song that plays on his homepage).

However, I also noted some key differences between me and him. For one, I have a love of life and a desire to achieve great things above all else, both for myself as well as my family & friends. I have respect for human life, and although I like violence in video games, real-life violence nauseates and saddens me. And above all, I fight daily to not be infected by the disease known as apathy, which is spreading throughout our society like wildfire. Like a cancer it blackens our hearts and makes us incapable of caring about anyone or anything, in extreme cases giving birth to monsters like Kimveer Gill.

However, I do not believe that hate is necessarily bad, if it is focused on individuals or entities that are deserving of hatred and not worth the air they breathe. But when one allows hatred to consume him to the point of hating society indiscriminately and lashing out on innocent people without feeling, remorse, or empathy, it becomes devastatingly destructive to all who come into contact with it. So love your friends, hate your enemies, and don't give in to the disease known as apathy. My condolences go out to all the victims and the families of this terrible tragedy.

PS- If any of you legislative people (i.e. Jack Thompson) or those who like to stereotype are reading this, PLEASE do not blame this tragedy on goth culture, video games, heavy metal music, the NRA, the pink elephants on the moon, or whatever other BS you can pull out of your ass. Put the blame where it belongs: on this individual and the wretched society that gave birth to him. YES, that means YOU are responsible, as am I. We as a society are all responsible for the individuals we produce, and the well-being of our fellow man.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 4:55AM (Unverified) said

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First of all beemoh, get a real name. I use mine, because I'm not a coward.

Secondly, gamers apparently think they're the only ones who have a right to be edgy, sarcastic, and sometimes just downright in-your-face. Gamers do have a near corner on the hypocrisy market, however. Not total, but near.

Thirdly, if you were paying attention (but you haven't been, because you're a gamer) you would know that video games really do fry your brain. See Harvard, Indiana, and Michigan State brain studies. So, if the fried brains reference bothers you, go cry to Harvard, if you are still able to read a map.

Fourthly, "video game culture" is an oxymoron so funny that Dennis McCauley doesn't get it. Any person who understands culture and history and, oh, reality gets it. Again, that is why you don't get it.

If you want to complain about my news releases, then please tell me how many national shows you've been on because of your brilliantly conceived and executed news releases. I've been on 60 Minutes twice, Today eight times, BBC and other UK telecasts probably ten times, Good Morning America twice, Paula Zahn's programs five times (she's incredibly beautiful in person, by the way. want her autograph?), and about 60 other shows, including Oprah (she's a pain).

So,my press releases work just fine. How yours coming?

Hooah!

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 5:32AM (Unverified) said

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Sure you're a coward, Jack.

You can't stand that Dennis gets his own soapbox to say whatever the hell he wants. That's why you had to cyberstalk him.

How many bans have you tried to get around Jack? Over 50. That's why you got a Bar complaint. That's not legal. It's trespassing onto Dennis' property.

By the way, Jack, all your "studies" have either been completely debunked or you failed to interpret them properly in the first place. That's why the gaming industry has a PERFECT record in striking down your nonsense laws.

The day is coming when everybody realizes that the fact a guy who went out and killed people played GTA is just as irrelevant as the idea that the same killer ate Cap'n Crunch as well.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 5:40AM (Unverified) said

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I also posted these comments at the URL below under the username "BlackDeath13". These comments represent my heartfelt opinions on this terrible tragedy.

http://vampirefreaks.com/journal_comment.php?entry=2839777



This whole situation is just sad; yet another product of an apathetic, hateful society with tragic results. Besides the victims, one can only imagine what went through this guy's mind that led him to this horrible conclusion... years of built-up hate and bullying perhaps, with all the so-called telltale signs of a psychopath ready to unleash .. Just read his blog:

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Stop Bullying

It's not only the bully's fault you know!!
It's the teachers and principals fault for turning a blind eye, just cuz it's not their job. You fuckers are pathetic.
It's the police's fault for not doing anything when people conplain (oops, my mistake, the cops are corrupt sons of whores, so it's not like they can do anything about it.)

FUCK THE POLICE

It's society's fault for acting like it's normal for people to be assholes to each other. Society disgusts me.
It's everyone's fault for being so apathetic towards fucking everything that doesn't affect them personally. FUCK YOU SOCIETY.
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I don't think he could have been any clearer, yet no one seemed to care enough to do anything about it, thus allowing yet another societal monster to breed, leading to one inevitable conclusion: death and suffering to the individual and all whom he comes into contact with, manifesting in the form of either early death caused by depression or other emotional/mental illness, suicide, homicide, ect.

I can personally relate to being picked on in school , and the authority figures who don't give a damn . It sucks, and I hated some of those SOBs for that, but somehow I managed to get through it, making the conscious choice that "I will survive and overcome this." Now I'm in college and on my way to earning a BS degree. Despite some emotional and personal problems, I'm proud of what I've achieved thus far... but perhaps this guy experienced ten times the turmoil that I went through, or was mentally ill; who knows. I am just glad that I'm not him.

Eerily though, on the surface it seemed as though I had a lot in common with this guy (minus the guns & overall hatred of humanity), like love of goth culture; black/death metal; that Nirvana song "You know Your Right"; the list of movies & videogames I watch/play; feeling depressed and disillusioned with society; an (apparent) unrequited love that drove me into a downward spiral that I am still recovering from; love for the story of "Romeo & Juliet" and poetry... I even scored similiarly in that Personality Disorder Test he took, and I just recently started listening to Cradle of Filth's "Nymphetamine Mix" song (the song that plays on his homepage).

However, I also noted some key differences between me and him. For one, I have a love of life and a desire to achieve great things above all else, both for myself as well as my family & friends. I have respect for human life, and although I like violence in video games, real-life violence nauseates and saddens me. And above all, I fight daily to not be infected by the disease known as apathy, which is spreading throughout our society like wildfire. Like a cancer it blackens our hearts and makes us incapable of caring about anyone or anything, in extreme cases giving birth to monsters like Kimveer Gill.

However, I do not believe that hate is necessarily bad, if it is focused on individuals or entities that are deserving of hatred and not worth the air they breathe. But when one allows hatred to consume him to the point of hating society indiscriminately and lashing out on innocent people without feeling, remorse, or empathy, it becomes devastatingly destructive to all who come into contact with it. So love your friends, hate your enemies, and don't give in to the disease known as apathy. My condolences go out to all the victims and the families of this terrible tragedy.

PS- If any of you legislative people (i.e. Jack Thompson) or those who like to stereotype are reading this, PLEASE do not blame this tragedy on goth culture, video games, heavy metal music, the NRA, the pink elephants on the moon, or whatever other BS you can pull out of your ass. Put the blame where it belongs: on this individual and the wretched society that gave birth to him. YES, that means YOU are responsible, as am I. We as a society are all responsible for the individuals we produce, and the well-being of our fellow man.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 6:37AM (Unverified) said

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"Thirdly, if you were paying attention (but you haven't been, because you're a gamer) you would know that video games really do fry your brain. See Harvard, Indiana, and Michigan State brain studies. So, if the fried brains reference bothers you, go cry to Harvard, if you are still able to read a map."

Were any of these the universities that proved that kangaroos could not possibly exist?
I've been playing video games since the age of seven. The first video game I can remember playing has a 15 rating on it.
If my brain is so fried, how come I'm getting the best or second best average marks in my entire school year.

"Fourthly, "video game culture" is an oxymoron so funny that Dennis McCauley doesn't get it. Any person who understands culture and history and, oh, reality gets it. Again, that is why you don't get it."

Culture: "A complex of typical behaviour or standardised social charictaristics particular to a certain group, occupation, or profession." (websters third dictionary)

We are gamers and you have defined gamers as a group in the past. We have some fairly standardised behaiviour, like killing aliens, and, for the most part, laughing at you. Define how video gamers aren't a culture.

"If you want to complain about my news releases, then please tell me how many national shows you've been on because of your brilliantly conceived and executed news releases. I've been on 60 Minutes twice, Today eight times, BBC and other UK telecasts probably ten times, Good Morning America twice, Paula Zahn's programs five times (she's incredibly beautiful in person, by the way. want her autograph?), and about 60 other shows, including Oprah (she's a pain).

So,my press releases work just fine. How yours coming?"

My familys pet dog, Woody, has been on TV more often than that. Adolf Hitler, Richard Nixon, and at least one person in my school class have all been on TV. This all means very little about their accuracy.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 6:55AM jccalhoun said

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Jack,
I originally posted this here http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/271638.html?thread=22083094#t22083094 but it obviously needs to be repeated. After I first posted it Jack stopped mentioning IU for a while, but it seems to have worn off:
I have read the Indiana University study and you are consistently misrepresenting that study. First, the people in the study did not play videogames. They watched videos of games being played. As you are undoubtedly eager to point out when asked why you are not campaigning against violent television or films, watching something is not the same as doing it. Therefore, this study is actually about WATCHING violent media, not PLAYING it.
Secondly, the study focused on, "aggressive adolescents diagnosed with disruptive behavior disorders." Therefore, these kids are already prone to violence. Because of this it is no surprising that watching violent media resulted in a higher level of aggression -- because these kids are already prone to being aggressive.
Finally, the study was funded by "The Center for Successful Parenting." It should not be surprising that a center founded on the basis that violent media will negatively impact children would fund a study that found that violent media negatively impacts children.
http://www.sosparents.org/
http://medicine.indiana.edu/news_releases/archive_02/violent_games02.html

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 8:48AM (Unverified) said

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Mr. Jack Thompson-

I was hoping you could answer some questions I have regarding some of your comments made thus far in this thread...

Comment 1:
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"The massacre in Montreal is simply the latest tragedy of mass killing linked to violent virtual reality murder simulators. The worst is yet to come. Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., is set to release on October 17 the game Bully, which in every sense is a Columbine simulator."
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Where exactly did you get the information that the game 'Bully' "in every sense is a Columbine simulator" ? For the record, I have not yet formed an opinion on this unreleased game, though I have some reservations on the premise (having been teased in school myself)... but how the heck can you justify that remark !!? Harris and Klebold were insane, sadistic killers intent on murdering their peers with high-powered weaponry and explosives; to my knowledge the 'Bully' game does not even feature weapons other than melee objects typically found in a school (i.e. bats, pipes) and 'prankster' items like cherrybombs, and the main character appears to be just an average (albeit somewhat mischievous) kid who finds himself in trouble, NOT a murderous psychopath intent on wiping out the school's populace !
Again, how can you justify your Columbine remark ? (preferably with a link or reference of some sort)


Comments 2:

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"So many knuckleheads with brains fried by games; so little time."

"Thirdly, if you were paying attention (but you haven't been, because you're a gamer) you would know that video games really do fry your brain. See Harvard, Indiana, and Michigan State brain studies. So, if the fried brains reference bothers you, go cry to Harvard, if you are still able to read a map."
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Where exactly do you get off calling millions of people you don't even know "knuckleheads" just because they happen to play video games !!? I find this stereotypical remark highly offensive. And where did you get the information that "video games really do fry your brain." That sounds like a bunch of crap to me, but please enlighten me with references, sources, links, or proof of any kind if I am wrong.

And don't go thinking I'm some kind of stereotypical dumbass gamer; I am a straight A student pursuing DeVry University's Game & Simulation Programming degree and have an IQ of 122.. and surprise, I also play video games around 10-20 hours a week (provided I have the time). Please, I highly value my intelligence and must know if I have been frying my brain all these 18+ years that I have been playing games, because I don't seem to be getting any dumber.. quite the opposite..


Thanks for your time.


Posted: Sep 16th 2006 9:26AM (Unverified) said

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Since I just woke up and my "niceness" hasn't turned on yet, I'm going to tear you "press release" limb from limb jackass thompson. I put his words first then mine.


First of all beemoh, get a real name. I use mine, because I'm not a coward.

First of all, Jack Thompson. You have no links from your name. you could possibly be someone else and just have found jack thompson's phone number. not to mention that jack isn't the name you were given at birth john.


Secondly, gamers apparently think they're the only ones who have a right to be edgy, sarcastic, and sometimes just downright in-your-face. Gamers do have a near corner on the hypocrisy market, however. Not total, but near.

Secondly, you think gamers are miniscule, that we have no influence. You also seem to think that we are mentally retarded. Your hypocrisy about "playing videogames"(I remember, you said you tried GTA for 5 minutes before you couldn't stomach it) is totally amusing.


Thirdly, if you were paying attention (but you haven't been, because you're a gamer) you would know that video games really do fry your brain. See Harvard, Indiana, and Michigan State brain studies. So, if the fried brains reference bothers you, go cry to Harvard, if you are still able to read a map.

Thirdly, if you were paying attention (but you haven't been, because your an idiot fogey) you would know that games have been proven to actually increase brain activity and make people smarter, so if my brain reference bothers you, go cry to my buttocks.



Fourthly, "video game culture" is an oxymoron so funny that Dennis McCauley doesn't get it. Any person who understands culture and history and, oh, reality gets it. Again, that is why you don't get it.

Fourthly, "Jack Thompson, Attorney" is an oxymoron so funny that you don't get it. Any person who understands culture and history and, or, reality gets it. Again this is why you don't get it.



If you want to complain about my news releases, then please tell me how many national shows you've been on because of your brilliantly conceived and executed news releases. I've been on 60 Minutes twice, Today eight times, BBC and other UK telecasts probably ten times, Good Morning America twice, Paula Zahn's programs five times (she's incredibly beautiful in person, by the way. want her autograph?), and about 60 other shows, including Oprah (she's a pain).

If you want to complain about me taking your press releases and making them laughable, go ahead and complain. Being on tv is a good thing only to little kids so they can go "Hi mom!" on television. not to mention the longest I've seen you on tv is about 5 minutes, if that.


So,my press releases work just fine. How yours coming?

My ego will get back to you on that.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 9:16AM (Unverified) said

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I see that Laddy Jack the Litigation Terrorist continues to cry "wah, wah, wah" all the way from his cozy little malpractice down in Coral Gables. I guess he was too busy sending out his oh-so-great press releases to bother defending that half-assed piece of legislative garbage he put together for the folk in Louisiana. You working on getting a license to practice law in Canada now, bucko, so you can go file a lawsuit up there that'll get dismissed in six months?

I've got a funnier oxymoron than video game culture: "Jack Thompson's successful legal career." Your broken-record "fried brain" argument begs the question: if I, as a life-long gamer of 20+ years, have had my frontal lobes nuked by Nintendo, Sega and Sony, how is it that I managed to pass the Bar examination on my FIRST try, after self-studying without taking any PMBR or BarBri classes? What was your excusing for FAILING the Bar on your first shot, scooiepuff?

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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id like to know just how many killing sprees have had half arsed links to video games. i notice that the majority of sprees happen in america, and i also notice that every case has a shooter with mental or personal problems.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 1:11PM (Unverified) said

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Did Jack just vomit all over his computer screen and send it for all to see? Because that's what it looks like to me.

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Posted: Sep 16th 2006 3:02PM (Unverified) said

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I find it funny that one of Jack's LiveJournal usernames was "SatanSaysHooah"
ジャクの馬鹿
Say goodbye to your career Jack.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 3:59PM (Unverified) said

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You know, in the UK a set of Laws were introduced to defend against certain unscrupulous Policemen who had this trick of driving really close to the car in front, forcing it to speed up until it broke the speed limit, and then arresting the driver.

This was defined as 'Entrapment'

I'd say, Mr Thompson, that posting statements where you Stereotype a very large group of people in the most insulting and demeaning manner possible and then adding 'Contact Jack Thompson on....' at the end of your post is pretty much the same thing, you WANT the troublemakers to harass you, because then you can point the finger at all of us.

It's a pretty cheap and nasty tactic Jack. It doesn't make the people who fall for it any less of a moron, but when you have to sink to Trickery to prove your point, then your battle is already lost.

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 6:33PM (Unverified) said

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Jack-

I'm going to respond to your points in a different order to the one you used, as I feel some points carry more weight than others, and shall be setting out my response to reflect this. If you only read two points, though, make them the first and last.

First and foremost, I would also like to point out that I have given you my real name- both forename and surname- before in a prior dialogue I had with you on GamePolitics, if you weren't paying attention, that's not my problem.

Besides, online, at least, 'beemoh' and my real name are often to be found in the same place. I like to use beemoh as there could be many people on the internet with the same name as me, and this way you know it's *this* me, and not some other me.

I'm sure you don't want to be confused with some other Jack Thompson (or- again, purely for curiosity's sake- were you already mistaken for another John Bruce, which is why you go by the name Jack?) who might strongly disagree with your worldview.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, it's up to you to uncover my name. It shouldn't take you long.

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For your third point, I *have* been paying attention, and something else I have been paying attention to is the way we have established how... shall we say "creatively" you like to interpret studies. The bulk of studies relate to development and use of certain parts of the brain, and this is some way from "fry".

It's a fair distance from your old term, which was "harm", which even then is highly subjective- an expert earlier this year made an argument that people in jobs with using analysis skills (mathematicians, engineers) are more likely to have children that are diagnosed with Autism- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4661402.stm - due, ostensibly, to the way their brains work. Given the difficulty autistic people can have with the world, you could, if you chose to, interpret the way their brains have developed as 'harmful', as it puts them at a disadvantage, and yet I don't see anyone accusing maths of 'frying' people's brains.

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Videogame culture? I suggest you take a step away from the superficial view of games as mere 'products' or 'simulators'- there was a very good article in the first issue of The Escapist on that bit, you know, the e-zine that did that profile on you you didn't like, failing that, there's always Edge- the rest should just fall into place.

Videogames *as* culture? You at least conceded it as 'pop' culture when you were interviewed by GamesTM, but the reason it's only 'pop' is because if anybody tries to approach a major subject like, say, Columbine, or Bullying, people like you shout them down and reduce them to nothing more than- as you admitted yourself- soundbites, so nobody gets to see what Danny LeDonne *really* had to say about Columbine, or Rockstar had to say about society in GTA as now they are 'just' That School Shooting Game or 'just' That Game Where You Kill The Hookers, so everyone loses out on other people choosing interactive media for their messages, because at worst, you'll drag them through the mud or at best everyone will just miss it altogether and they'll go back to their traditional outlets.

I know that sounds like shooting the messenger, but when the messenger is only passing on part of the message, and stopping other messengers from passing on their own, the messenger is the one in the wrong.

I'm sure Games As Art/Culture/etc was brought up when you did that interview with GP, although I'm still a little in the dark as to why you don't see how games can be culture. You keep saying it isn't, but never why. Unless, of course, you don't 'get' culture and history, either. You know what they say about the quantities at which ladies doth protest.

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On to news releases, and your point number two: I have no interest in making my own news releases, so, as a result, I 've not been on TV as yet. Still, I like to think that if I do make it to television, that I might do it on my own merits, rather than just by writing self-important news releases, attaching myself to court cases and chasing fame off the back of tragedies like school shootings.

Oops, did I actually type that? Never mind. Slip of the fingers.

Anyway. my original comment was a perfectly genuine question. It may have been wowrded frivolously, but there was no edginess or sarcasm intended. It wasn't a complaint, merely a question based on an observation. As such, I would also like to re-assert the question, in persuit of an answer.

My observation was that there were clearly two very seperate tones of voice- the first very sarcastic, hyperbolic, and at times flat-out rude- all very similar to some of your later posts on the GamePolitics comment threads, and indeed, some of the emails you've forwarded to Dennis that he's published on GP.

Your second is a lot more formal, concise and business-like.

This would imply to me that the first one is what you're really like- sarcastic, hyperbolic, and of course rude, and the second is the persona you use when you're around people who, for want of a better description, agree with you.

Now, if you're only sending out the second release and not the first, that would imply to me that you're fully aware that the way you act in the first isn't the correct way to behave and so you hide this 'real' you away from the glaring eyes of the cameras and wear this mask when The Public are watching.

I, in your eyes, am a coward for aparrently hiding behind a nickname.

You're hiding behind a complete personality. Now *that* is cowardice.

Thank you for your time,
-He Who Must Be Googled

Posted: Sep 17th 2006 1:23AM (Unverified) said

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tim: i have not played the game, nor would i want to. usually i avoid things when they cash in on tragedy. the fact that the game is boring is beside the point here, the point is that this kid emulated a school shooting in a video game and then he shot up his school. am i the only one here who doesn't think this just a coincidence?

Posted: Sep 16th 2006 8:16PM (Unverified) said

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It does seem like a coincidence because of the subject matter of the game. Until you consider the thousands of people who have played it and not shot up their school.

Just because B follows A does not always mean that A was directly related to B.

Say, for example, someone had been arrested on suspicion of Terrorism and had been proved to have watched one of the films about 9/11 beforehand. Does that mean that the film must have programmed him or that he sought out the film to gain information, just as many other people did with far less sinister intent.

Posted: Sep 17th 2006 9:24AM (Unverified) said

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You know who deserves the most sympathy in all this? Jack Thompson's son. How'd you like to be that poor kid? I can't imagine how tough it must be to have to grow up with HIM as your main role model. The umbrella of ridiculous rules he probably has to live under must make the Gestapo look like the Peace Corp. He probably gets tormented at school all the time with dear old dad constantly reminding him to walk the path of the righteous. I'm going to set the over/under on him running away from home at age 15. So remember kiddies, anytime you think your life's too tough, take solace in the fact that you're not the child of King Narcissist.

Posted: Sep 17th 2006 2:06AM (Unverified) said

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A coincidence? Probably not. But I think there's a good chance that people are getting the chain of causality backwards. The guy in all likelihood played the Super Columbine Massacre game because he had violent psychological problems, not the other way around.

BTW, the game was free and intended to be thought-provoking, so I don't really see how it could be "cashing in."

(And BTW, why is it Jack Thompson can't see that the crazy, vitriolic reactions he gets from some gamers -- definitely a minority -- are a direct reflection of the attitude he displays in the first place? No one reacts that way to the National Institute on Media and the Family, or even to the politicians who care more about feel-good legislation than the First Amendment. They're advocating the exact same things; they're just not being self-righteous jerks about it).

Posted: Sep 17th 2006 3:27AM (Unverified) said

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Thompson's LiveJournal accounts:

http:\www.jackisatroll.com

- Warren Lewis

Posted: Sep 17th 2006 1:45PM (Unverified) said

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Hmmm.. you know, with it's scenes of Genocide, sexual promiscuity, Rape, Violence and Racial hatred, I wonder how Jack would feel if he was told that the government said his Son couldn't read the Old Testament till he was 17?

I can promise he would be at the front of the crowd demanding the government stop interfering with a Parents Right to raise their child, as, most likely, would I, and not because I place any particular weight on the Bible, but because I try to apply my opinions without prejudice.

It's that, more than anything else, which convinvces me that this is more about 'Jack Thompson' than it's ever been about Moore or Gill or Klebold and Harris.

Posted: Sep 18th 2006 3:35PM (Unverified) said

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The article wonders whether he got treatment for mental health issues. Yes he did. Just like the Columbine School school shooting, the Red Lake shooting and many of the other school shootings where the perpetrators were on prescribed psychiatric medication at the time.



http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7004881792

"...He had changed lately. "

"Since Christmas, he had become more sad, more tranquil, he started to spend more time on his computer playing video games," she explained.

She said her own illness, which she did not describe, led her son to become depressed and he was treated at a local health clinic...."


So there you go - one more school shooting where psych drugs were involved.

Posted: Sep 18th 2006 3:42PM (Unverified) said

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Best to back up that statement. These are some of the others:

A few extracts from a very long list:

http://www.ssri-uksupport.com/files/homicidesSSRISandADHDmedications.pdf

"Eric Harris aged 17 (Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Zoloft & Paxil) in Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado, killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and injured 23 others, before killing themselves.


Jeff Weise, 16, (Prozac) Minnesota School shootings March 2005, killed his Grandfather and Grandmother, and then went on a rampage at the school. He killed a teacher, a security officer and 5 students, wounding 7 others (2 critically), before exchanging gunfire with police and shooting himself.


Laurie Dann, 30, (Lithium and Anafranil) on a shooting rampage at an Illinois school, killed one child and wounded 5 others before killing herself.


Kip Kinkel (Prozac) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.


Michael Carneal, aged 14, (Ritalin) opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded, and one of whom was paralyzed.


James Wilson, aged 19, (Psychiatric Drugs – various, including Xanax) Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.


TJ Solomon, aged 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.


Neal Furrow, (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.


Cory Baadesgaard (Paxil then 300 mgs Effexor) in Matawa, WA school standoff. This was not long after being taken off Paxil cold turkey and changed over to Effexor.


Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) - school shooting in El Cajon, California.


Elizabeth Bush aged 13 (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania.


Steven Leith (Prozac), teacher of Chelsea, Michigan, shot dead the school superintendent and wounded two others including a fellow teacher.


Larry Butzz, (Prozac) a superintendent of schools in Ames, IA shot his wife, son and daughter before shooting himself.


Shawn Cooper, (An SSRI) Notus Idaho, stand off at school.





Boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school.


Peter Odighizuwa, 42, (Treatment for Depression & Stress) went on a rampage at the Appalachian Law School he attended, killing the dean, a professor and a student and seriously wounding three others. The doctor who first attended the scene described the killings as “executions”. He was the same doctor that had treated Odighizuwa for depression and stress in the previous six months.


Steven Abrams (LITHIUM) of California rammed his car into a preschool playground killing two children and wounding five. He was taking the Lithium under court order.


Patrick Purdy, 25 (Amitriptyline and Chlorpromazine)in California, opened fire on a school playground killing 5 children and wounding 30 others before killing himself."





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