Tsk tsk, IGN. Time to update that "internet use" policy! [update 1]

i lost all respect for ign when it was acquired by newscorp. what a shitty move.

Ive been comming to Jotstiq for over a year and its shit like this that makes me laugh/get mad. (Truth)fully I only want to hear about gaming news. Thats why I come here. Read the title of the site! It says Joystiq. What uses a joystiq...oh yea...video games! So thats what the site should be about.

I go to IGN for game previews and the babe interviews!
I go to Joystiq for gaming news and blogging!
I go to slashdot for blogging about other news.

Slow news day? C'mon, do you really get news from this site? You get links to other sites that broke the news with Joystiq's snarky comments on it. That's basically it. When was the last news story that Joystiq broke? Hmm, was it the secret next-gen news (read: Nintendo's got da chipz! If I could do a strike-through on the last few words then I'd qualify as a Joystiq "journalist") they had to wait until 12am to reveal? Nope, that was hyping of news that was already on sites like kokatu. Joystiq should stay out of these Maury Povich unmaskings and stick to hyping news.

Ummm... I wasn't going to post but, there is alot of sudden first posters, attacking joystiq out of nowhere. For some reason I find that odd, they out an ign person and now there post is bombarded by random people who have "read forever", but must post their oh so righteous indignation, yeah that sounds totally plausible.

::Rises and Grabs, Cross holy water, and NES control pad::

I CAST THEE OUT FANBOY TROLLS! Get thee back to thine Abyss, the Power of Gaming compels thee!

Seriously now, Joystiq wouldn't have to do this, if they weren't attacked first. We constantly complain gaming reporters don't out their own, and now we are complaining they do out them in defense of themselves. Also I totally do hope they look at email addresses, and out alot more coporate shills and guerrila marketers. Last let the Robert Summa post go, is anybody going ape over the tons of false gaming news that happen everyday? I remember the year dreamcast came out a new york news paper reported the system to have gone out of business only one month after its launch. There was no gamer uprising, you know why? Nobody knew about the article, so nobody could do anything about it, there were no retractions, nobody cried about credibility it was forgotten.

In most Journalistc instituions when you have a big story the reporter and the editors get together to see how they are going to handle it. The choice is not left up to one man, and the higher ups have already apologized, harping on it just makes you look sad. I won't be commenting much just cause I don't see myself supporting any consoles in the near future, but it doesn't mean I want to see reputable game site, attacked and destroyed from with in. Joystiq has a right to defend themself, they let one get away with it tons will follow, for the sheer fact they can slander their name and take away hits, and you know who would lose out on that? You same game console fans who are thirsting for truthfull and reliable news.

Make no doubt about it IGN, 1Up, Gamespot, do not appreciate sites like Joystiq, one of the first things you learn in a media class, is that the mainstream media houses don't like others, or new players because they want people and companies that think like them. In other words destroy what is different so they don't upset the status quo. I am not saying each one of those sites are doing this, what I am saying is each one of those sites don't appreciate a blog site, in which gaming news flows more freely an openly than they like. THe joystiq model is different, and different is not good whe you are the media model in place.

I am not saying support joystiq no matter what, when they trip up sock em in the Kidney, and kick them in the ass on the way down to keep them in check. But they must be allowed to defend themselves, if you want them to continue giving their reader reliable, honest content, without outside interest attacking them.

IGN Sucks, wait there is a Game BLOG too and that is J**s**q.

Time to slay the blog(site)ger who thinks he is a professional website. NEWS FLASH: JOYSTIQ IS A GAME BLOG. Where are the Official Game trailers, Oh I forgot --->link to YouTube, GameVideos, Game Trailers.
Wat's with © Weblogs, Inc. Anyways check out this GAME BLOG http://www.gamebot.co.nr

Check out Wikipedia for Engadget troubled Plagiarism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engadget#Misattribution.

Signing off.

Ameen.
BLOGGER, and not a CEO.

I'm just here to say that, like usual, someone at joystiq seems not to be doing the background checking.
IGN has operated an email service similar to yahoo mail for it's members since 2000. The email address is the username appended to @ignmail.com. If the person who wrote this article had known about IGN's mail service he presumably would have mentioned it and eliminate it as a possibility.

Who gives a crap? No real gaming site would have hyped up that garbage Wii news a couple weeks ago like you guys did either. You have no room to complain about anyone.

Finally, the biatch's been hanged and burned.
HURRAY FOR EVERYTHING!

his argument that the japanese are not "anti-american" is silly, the japs arnt anti-american but i do believe the japs see their form of video game entertainment very differently than the western form, their video game culture is hugely different in many ways and for an outside company to try and break into the jap market was and is always going to be a mountain to high to climb. comparing xbox's to ipod's or hiphop music is plain silly.

I for one believe in complete professionalism. When I visit another company's site, I treat its authors and readers with the same respect that I treat my fellow colleagues and readers at 1up.

There's no point in causing an online disturbance. And I think that the more intelligent/well rounded journalists there are out there, the better. That way, when a politician (no names here) says that all gamers are stupid, we have evidence to prove against his or her claim.

You all at Joystiq run a fine site; don't worry about one person's negative take on you. Keep it up.
Paul Gale
1up.com

Sigh...

You want to know what sucks? I like and get along with both Joystiq and GSI (and I can confirm, based on private conversations, that he draws a paycheck from IGN - I won't say which part, though).

He has his moments, sure, but GSI is a pretty insightful guy. He sometimes doesn't know when to quit, but I always enjoy talking to him. I'm not particularly fond of IGN as a whole (and he knows I feel this way, so there's no illusions there), but he's not nearly as bad as some people make him out to be.

On the flip side, I've suggested to him before that he should tone it down here on Joystiq. It's a good site, and I think if he better controlled himself, his insights would really raise the level of conversation.

Also, I don't know who the commenter that revealed one of his email addresses is, but I don't recognize him as one of the Joystiq bloggers. I'd want confirmation before complaining that Joystiq spread his email addy all over.

Well, I guess that's all I can say from the "Can't we all just get along?" camp. I'll just be here in the corner, singing Kumbayah if you need me.

I have to admit that I'm torn over this post. First of all I agree that a blog is definitely not a media site, but that's not a bad thing at all. This blog gleans through all of the searching i would have to do on the internet to find what I'm interested in. This is where the internet is going folks. It definitely appeals to me because I don't have to spend time looking for most of the important things about gaming and it also gives me a voice in how the community is shaped. However, a fanboy is just a fanboy and is easily recognized as such. They deserve pity more than anger & revenge. No matter who they work for.

I bet you Weblogs Inc. did the same marketing crap when they stated...

Wow, the update is even more inflamatory then the actual post. Attacking users in news articles, wow, thats a way to earn readers.

Anyone know of a good gaming blog where those providing the content are mature?

Wow. IGN is lame. Actually, they were lame ever since they started charging for content so their lameness is nothing new.

WOW spacedout, did you read where VC does admit to Verifying this fact? Our is it just easier to ignore that part and say I am a fanboy. When I was saying Joystiq's model I didn't mean joystiq was the only site of its kind, but like I said it is ultimately simple to read what you want and not pay any attention to the rest.

"120. The guy doesn't even work for IGN, he just has an IGN account. They are free for signing up, I have one myself.

Get facts wrong: Check
Slander IGN for nothing: Check
Childish rant: Check
Post a users' email address and name: Check" -Spacedout

"117. " I certainly hope that you verified he was an IGN employee and not an "IGN Insider" before posting this."

This has been verified." -VC

I see where you get your name from Spacedout because it seems you couldn't take ten seconds to look above and 3second to read the post. But you did take time to one call me a fanboy, which is amazing, since I guess fnaboy means reading post before hand and commenting on them. Summary.

Learn to read the posts before you write your scathing arguments, sites like Gamespot, IGN, and 1up do not like blog sites they are forced to cooperate with them because of their popularity nothing more. A business model doesn't have to mean something new it can just be something new to that medium, blogging is not the medium in which IGN, Gamespot, started in. Like I said before, sure is alot of people suddenly showing their Righteous Indignation out of nowhere. And it seems they ultimately don't have to read the post, but just take bits and pieces to make their poorly strung together arguements.

Last if I was to come to your place of business call what you do not real, and then talk to your customers, one by one announcing the other similar businesses in the area as being more reputable what would you.

A: Look at me laugh and offer me your daughter.

B: get angry and turn your back.

C: Prove that I am just a agent of those other businesses and throw me out of your store?

This will take sometime for you to answer since I know how you disdain reading, and actually commenting to the persons post. But don't space out! Just try to comperhend that, a rival site posted here, built up post then attempted to defame the quality of work on JOystiq. ANd you called them Childish for reacting to it, you then proceed to keep posting about how Joystiq is wrong. Even after they post they have verified the evidence. AWESOME!

The best part is, if they try to show more evidence that this person, is from IGN you will scream invasion of privacy, thus I wonder what your real motive is? So now lets Summarize.

Get facts wrong: CHECK!

Slander Joystiq: CHECK!

QFT: Hope you do!

is IGN and gamespy the same folks/family??

Looks like someone got their feelings hurt.

Joystiq is truly a journalistic venue for gaming and media news. The IGN guy seems veritably unprofessional and has impugned the journalistic staff at Joystiq with an emphatically unjustified insult. how dare he???!!!

I enjoy coming to Joystiq for gaming news, not crap like this or the whole thing about whatever his name getting fired b/c of that stupid hype for the Wii chips shipping. Focus on the news and not this stupid petty crap.

Joystiq and IGN are different types of site IMO, Joystiq being a daily news site and IGN being more of a review site.

Bill, et. al:

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/feb2006/gb20060223_774050.htm?campaign_id=search

iPod has better than 50% market share in Japan. The link you posted earlier was about one specific product category (flash players) in one specific quarter, prior to the release of the iPod nano. Apple has, in fact, nearly doubled their market share since then.

Well considering how you just gave up details about the guys email address and his username I'd imagine you will get sued for breaching the joystiq privacy policy. You will probably also be sued for slander since

A. For quite a long time IGN offered public email accounts for subscripers. So they are probably 1000's of people with that domain name.

B. If you can't prove the user works for ign in some capacity, then I'd imagine the user and IGN both have a case for a lawsuit.

I'd imagine this childish post will be removed rather shorty with an appoligy written in it's place. Its a shame you'll probably lose your job over this to avoid a lawsuit. Hope it was worth it.

It's an interesting debate whether a "journalist" is always a journalist on messageboards. I verify my comments from an aol account, if I was to use a work account to verify my comments, would my comments then be taken as a reflection of the opinions held in my job? I'd like to think there is a disclaimer built into all posts on any messageboard similar to a director's commentary on a movie, that the opinions and views reflected are not neccessarily those of company x.
I joe wants to post a comment, and use a work address to verifty it, hell if he wants to post a thousand comments all through a work address, it should be no different than if he uses google mail or anything else. If his intent is to troll, or otherwise muck up the boards, base that is to be base on his posts. Sure, a guy who just registers and is talking up product z or site q is suspect, but those quotes aren't exactly filled with vitriol against this site or waving the go-ign flag.
I understand you want to protect your site, but I think people are entitled to leave their affiliation at the door when making a post, just as if they would be if talking with friends at lunch, texting on a phone or wherever.

Well Vlad, I guess in a certain light it's a good idea to call out as many people as you can before you're fired from Joystiq. Kind of like going out with a bang. Good luck with that. You've single-handedly lowered the site's credibility and porbably lowered the readership as well.

In all fairness, though, you guys really are a terrible, terrible site.

Oh, you big hotshots play petty games too? Not taking a side, but this whole deal seems pretty trivial in the scope of life. Pretty immature. I still love you though, Joystiq.

haha. i gotta say that's pretty funny. in the words of fred sanford "you big dummy!"

i'm pretty sure a lot of M$ employees are all the rage here blasting the PS3 every now and then... ;)

ANYBODY CAN GET AN IGN EMAIL.

email@ign.com != IGN staff

same as. . .

email@msn.com != MSN staff

also. . .

people that bash joystiq != only your competitors

Hi there --

I just got a link to this thread, so sorry if I'm late to the party. While the user's "GSI" part of his handle means he's likely somewhere affiliated with GameSpy (not IGN.com), I don't have anyone with that handle reporting to me. I oversee the editorial teams on IGN.com, GameSpy, etc. So if someone's posting negative stuff on your site with the handle, please don't blame our editors.

While the editorial teams on our sites aren't very large, IGN Entertainment (which operates the GameSpy in-game tech stuff, FilePlanet, IGN.com, GS, TXB, Vaults, Planets, GameStats, etc) is a fairly big company. It sucks if there's someone from accounting or another department in the company leaving annoying posts on your site, but it obviously doesn't represent the editorial teams' opinions.

Peer

"::Rises and Grabs, Cross holy water, and NES control pad:: I CAST THEE OUT FANBOY TROLLS! Get thee back to thine Abyss, the Power of Gaming compels thee!" ~ zsavior

Everyone knows you can't cast out trolls with a cross and holy water; you need to expose them to sunlight. Has Gandalf taught you nothing?!

Oh yeah. Joystiq, this is seriously the most retarded post in the history of posts. You're banning people who don't think you're journalists? Well you might as well ban me too then (along with half the people here) because you're not. You're Not Journalists!

It should be noted that not all email addresses under GameSpy's umbrella are people working for GSI. I for one an not paid, yet I still hold an email address of a GSI owned site..

All I remember about Jago is that he went from 0 stars to -5 starts within 1 week I believe.

I'm really disappointed in you Joystiq. I haven't ever seen a blog or forum act so childish.

You don't need to be on the IGN staff to have an IGN email address. Every IGN user can get a free IGN address, but its used so seldomly because of how much it sucks.

119. Vladimir Cole is the reason I won't be reading Joystiq in the future.
His pointless and inflammatory pseudo-intellectual finger pointing is dragging this site to a depth that certainly cannot be considered a moral high-ground.
It's a great shame, as Joystiq used to be the place I came to in order to dodge *just* that sort of crap.


There are several people I know who used to read this site frequently, me included. I was banned by vc for responding to a TROLL who happend to be a friend of his. The comment, Quote (His pointless and inflammatory pseudo-intellectual finger pointing)end Quote, is right on. I was villified in private E-Mails from him, and when I responded in a manner he took exception too, I was gone.
And you know what happened? I found other sites. Yes people, there are other places that have gameing news just as ( Informed ) as JoyStiq, if not more so, and without all of the comedy/drama vc provides.

Remember boys and girls, this site/blog is a BUSINESS just like many others, and as a BUSINESS it needs to MAKE MONEY just like the other sites do. I just decided to let other sites benefit from my visit, rather than support a narrow minded and arrogant man with a god complex. Editor Indeed.

you know that ign bastard also told me that it supports video formats, if they're stored on flash memory, and to go check out ign for video of it. I checked ign, didn't see any video of it, haven't found any source that says that there is a sort of video channel.

Once again Joystiq proves itself (ironically in this way) to be the rag mag that it is - not a real gaming news outlet but a near slanderizing low brow publication that hides behind "we're a blog!" while constantly trying to gain more clout and recognition for being an actual outlet for gaming news. You can't have both. You can't try to be considered professional and at the same time pull crap like this and hide behind the "We're a blog!!" statement. That does a disservice to everyone that runs a blog and is trying to be seen as legit. This post by VC, the recent crap Joystiq has pulled with the 12:01 incident, and the overly negative attention given to certain companies is why I and many others will not be reading this tripe any longer.

And don't fool yourselves into thinking "zsavior" is doing you any favors cause he's not. He comes off just as unprofessional sounding and immature as this post in it's entirety. It's ok Joystiq, you're making the contrast even higher between what you do and support and what the actual gaming news outlets do. You're making it easy to appear professional when running against this crap. I could read stuff like this in any shady gaming forum, I didn't expect you guys to invade a persons privacy and post their info on your front page for all to read. Tacky, guys. Just flat out tacky. If you knew what was good for you, you'd get rid of VC and perhaps even gut more, do a cleaning house and relaunch the site now that it's reached about it's lowest point ever. Enjoy these temporary hits while this poo slinging exists as it's about the only thing you will be able to do to bring in the traffic as your appearance of being a "gaming blog" is taking backseat to crap like this.

You know, I really do not know what this has to do with a gaming blog. I'm sorry but Joystiq is a blog. Nothing wrong with that is there? Still like to read it daily.

But for some reason Joystiq has decided to blog about comments to their articles. Wha?? If the comments were a problem then ban the user. I don't care!! Not need to blog about it!

Get back to what you guys do best. Not this petty tripe!

heh...

ZING!!!!

What Joystiq has done is implicitly breached confidentiality. The email address says "required, will not be shown to the public"--and yet you've called the poster out by using that person's email address as proof. Un-kosher.

The sad thing is, nobody wins by doing that. You make yourself look bad by making such a post, and you draw a flame war as a result. So why do it? It sounds like you've taken personal offence, which isn't very professional, either. IMO this is a much bigger blunder than that Wii story fiasco.

Good to see that "gaming news" is "IGN makes fun of JoyStiq!!!" Keep up the good work guys, I can't wait to hear about the horrible fashion sense some random person on the sidewalk had as they passed you by.

Come on, where's my news!

I have to draw attention to one thing here: There IS a difference between a blog and a gaming "news" site like IGN. The difference is this: A site like IGN cators to the companies that make games and consoles. If Sony asks them to say something nice in exchange for some exclusive info, then Sony gets a pat on the back to go along with the cool new resistance screen shots. A gaming blog has no such affiliation. I'm sure it happens in some cases, but in general, they don't just bend over and give into pressure.

In fact, the fact that most bloggers don't give into that sort of pressure means that a blog has honest opinions of games and other products. If they feel like calling bullshit on something, they do. They don't ask permission first.

Frankly I find blogs way more informative. I get the news when it happens instead of a day later on IGN. Between joystiq, kotaku, and maxconsole, I don't feel it's necessary to ever visit IGN, 1up, or gamespot. Honestly, I'd be ashamed to be included in a grouping with IGN. The quality of the writing, not to mention the quality of the reviews, has gone so far down hill that it's below sea level at this point.

As for calling this guy out, rock on. I don't believe Joystiq would go abusing the information provided by it's users, however, when an employee of an oposing website comes along and starts talking smack all over your comments, I think you have the right to call them on it. It's disrespectful busness practice.

Joystiq's all about the he said she said bullshit, I think they better quit, talking that shit, or they'll dig themselves deeper in a hole and end up with a fat lit.

this guy sounds like a fucking prick... I bet this bitchmade hasn't been laid in 5 years, if ever

Suddenly I don't want to comment on this site anymore with chances that they'll highlight my input as bullshit... this is highschool foolishness.

This thread is pretty silly.

GSI stands for Game Spy Industries.

Please don't involve IGN in this.

Thanks.

Well, at least I am %100 bona fide me. I work for no gaming site. They wouldn't have me. I far too controversial with my own take on everything. Hooray for me.