Dubious rumor: Gran Turismo HD to ship without cars or tracks
Clearly, it's the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard of. In fact, the mere suggestion that a premier racing game would be released without vehicles or courses (arguably two of the most important elements in such a game) is so beyond what is defined as "ridiculous", things like tap dancing unicorns and flying kangaroos can actually gaze at said suggestion through a telescope. That reason alone is worth marking this story as a rumor, though it's certainly not the only one. If we're to believe the forum-posted translation of the latest interview in Famitsu, Kazunori Yamauchi has big plans in store for his beloved automotive franchise -- big plans composed of teeny tiny transactions.Gran Turismo HD will supposedly see release in two versions. The first, entitled Gran Turismo HD: Premium, amounts to nothing more than a demo of, you guessed it, Gran Turismo 5. The 30 included cars and two undoubtedly exciting tracks are rendered in pristine PS3 glory and are meant to give you a solid idea of what Yamauchi and friends are putting together for a full release in 2008. Two more tracks and 30 extra cars can be purchased and downloaded for this version. If you prefer purchasing a full game instead of an extended prologue, perhaps Gran Turismo HD: Classic would be more your speed. Or perhaps not.
Though the Classic moniker may stem from the fact that you're getting a high resolution PS2 game, you may distinctly recall the original game actually giving you hundreds upon hundreds of cars for your $50. Not so with this version. Every car and every track may be purchased and downloaded from Sony's online network. The interview mentions a price of 50-100 yen per vehicle ($0.43 - $0.85) and 200 - 500 yen per track ($1.71 - $4.26). Being generous and sticking to the low end of the scale results in $408 spent if you want all 750 cars and all 50 tracks (roughly what you got in Gran Turismo 4). Moving up on the scale approaches values that surpass what you paid for the PS3 (newsflash: a lot) to begin with.
Is any of this true? 1UP's Luke Smith points to a more utopian quote (his version actually gives you one car!) by Sony's Phil Harrison that seems to match up with this story: "Imagine Gran Turismo shipping on a disc with one car and one track. And then you can browse, online, a dynamic circuit of vehicles that's growing every day because either the car manufacturers are adding new vehicles or we're adding new vehicles. And you can see a specific-type car that's being called up and say, 'I think I'll play with that one. Let me download and play it.'" Seems more likely that the quote created the story. Until Sony confirms (unlikely) or denies it later this week, consider this an entertaining vilification of the microtransaction and nothing more.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
sienar @ Sep 20th 2006 9:27PM
If this is true, then I'l become a Forza fan
seamonkey420 @ Sep 20th 2006 9:27PM
what??????
all i can say is... what the hell kind of market plan is this?
i think we'd rather have the full game and then be able to buy add-ons..
but this does seem to abide by Sony's already green marketing strategy of the PS3.. hmm...
Avinash_Tyagi @ Sep 20th 2006 9:29PM
Imagine God of War 3, Kratos sold sperately
Tom @ Sep 20th 2006 10:35PM
Sony sucks.
Godley Being @ Sep 20th 2006 9:33PM
Worst.Idea.Ever
Godley
wellsed @ Sep 20th 2006 9:33PM
I'd actually be willing to bet any attempt at such things will include all necessary game data on the disk and the "downloads" are simply a few bytes to "unlock" the data. I mean, what's the point of shipping a 25GB disk that only holds a couple hundred MB and making people download Gigs of data? Netflix showed how much more bandwidth a truckload of shipped disks are, even with the fastest consumer Internet connections.
NETNAVI @ Sep 20th 2006 9:32PM
THE POWER OF BLU-RAY!!!!!!!!
Seriously...WTF?!
Phil @ Sep 20th 2006 9:32PM
Its one thing to have a complete set of cars and tracks ala GT4, then offer new cars and tracks to download, but to only give you one car and one track is unrealistic. This smells like a bad rumor.
anthony @ Sep 20th 2006 9:32PM
Teen: Hey check out this new GT game I just bought, looks realistic
Teen 2: Alright dude, pop it in!
*pops in disc*
*blank screen with credit card prompt*
Teen: WHAT THE ...?
Teen 2: Owned by Sony
bm @ Sep 20th 2006 9:34PM
Hahahaha, this can't be real. Even the most fanatical micropayment advocate wouldn't think of something as retarded as that.
ArX07 @ Sep 20th 2006 9:34PM
Green marketing strategy? More like pile of debt strategy.
C-Dub @ Sep 20th 2006 9:36PM
Does $ONY still have feet to shoot off? Are they now moving to their head?
vidGuy @ Sep 20th 2006 9:37PM
Graphics win over gameplay once again.
DBX00 @ Sep 20th 2006 9:46PM
Gran Turismo isn't the series to test this out with, considering the fact that I can just go ahead and purchase GT4 and play it on the PS3.
I wouldn't be surprised if they allowed you to purchase the game for let's say $5.00 and then charged per car/track you purchased. However, the Classic version would HAVE to have the entire game with all the tracks and cars. Otherwise, people without an online connection would have no reason to buy the game. The reason Gran Turismo is Gran Turismo is because I have so many cars and tracks to play. You limit someone to 30 cars or whatever and you've turned the series into Ridge Racer.
Probot @ Sep 20th 2006 9:37PM
I'm sure this is fake, but on some level I can understand what they're getting at. Why have cars available that I never use? Yes, it is expensive to own every car, but I'm not going to use every car, so that doesn't matter.
However, that doesn't really hold up to common sense. It's charging for what is expected to be free. It's cluttering up the HDD for things that are certainly able to fit on a high-capacity disc. It's making it impossible for completionists. It's adding an unnecessary step to play the game. It's like opening a Monopoly box and finding out you need to buy all the game peices seperately.
And most importantly, it's changing what you used to be an accomplishment into a product, just like Station Exchange for EQ. The key to victory in Sony games looks disturbingly similar to a credit card.
Jeb @ Sep 20th 2006 9:39PM
Yeah, but I bet their cars won't come with horse armor!
drago @ Sep 20th 2006 10:34PM
"Next Generation" rip-off.
V1L3 @ Sep 20th 2006 9:43PM
If this turns out to be true, there's only one thing that could save it from being a complete and total rip-off.
That the game is ridiculously cheap, and/or free.
If you could pick up the game for $10, and just pay for the cars and tracks you want (mix and match, up to the value of a new game), it wouldn't be bad value for money.
A casual gamer could pick up 5 tracks and his/her favorite car ($20-$30 total), whilst the avid car enthusiast would pick up the slack by paying more over the course of a year or two ($100-$200). Believe me... there are guys out there who bought a PS2 JUST for Gran Turismo and have no interest in other games. They'd be more than happy to pay more to get access to more vehicles and tracks.
This is the way I envisage microtransactions and gaming in the future... Instead of having 3 games released years apart on one system (Grand Theft Auto on PS2), you get the one game, and then pay for new levels, characters, vehicles, etc, over the next few years.
Sequels used to be how developers improved the graphics engine in second and third generation games. Once we hit the graphical ceiling (which probably isn't far off for racing games at least), what's the point in redesigning the entire game and forcing consumers to pay another $50-$60, when you can sell the exta content at a lower price?
In real life, do you have buy a whole new car when all you want is new tyres or a cup holder?
epobirs @ Sep 20th 2006 9:47PM
Lacks ambition. The first thing they should sell you is the exclusive Menu Pack. For $10, this adds/unlocks all the menus players need to select various elements of the game for purchase. Cars, tracks, shrubbery, laws of physics, trophy girls, steering wheel, etc. All sold separately. The game alone does display some nice demo footage of what some these purchase might look like in use.
Blu Ray owns your Soul @ Sep 20th 2006 9:46PM
if this is true its good in the sense that you only pay for what you want, if you only want 10 cars only buy 10 cars and have a cheap ass game, but the flip side is if you want the massive game like GT4 was it would cost you too much. Kinda cool idea but i wouldnt want to pay more than 10cents a car
Lekko @ Sep 20th 2006 9:48PM
Thanks MS for starting this whole microtransaction craze.
Reeeeeally appreciate it.
vakerorokero @ Sep 20th 2006 9:52PM
People, First, this is just a rumor. Second, if you think about it it might be good. Sony can give out the disc for free inmagazines and stores, then After you decide if you like it, you can start building up your OWN garage to your liking and kind of build your own dream Gran Turismo with what you like only and not just filler, also I'm sure it will be the most realistic thing ever. In the end you might end up spending just $25 for the cars and tracks you want and use all that money for an official Momo wheel! in 1080p!
Heaters @ Sep 20th 2006 9:57PM
Looks like all that BlueRay memory is being used VERY WELL!!
vakerorokero @ Sep 20th 2006 9:57PM
"what's the point in redesigning the entire game and forcing consumers to pay another $50-$60, when you can sell the exta content at a lower price?"
YEAH EA, WHY?????
bm @ Sep 20th 2006 10:00PM
Wow, there are actually people who think this might be a good idea?
Wow.
Wow.
Die. Just fucking die.
Besides, it's obviously not true.
AK @ Sep 20th 2006 9:59PM
Yeah, blame microsoft.
Because the DEVELOPERS had nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact, it was the developers who were fighting tooth and nail to stop microtransactions. Microsoft made them do it.
It's all microsoft's fault.
DBX00 @ Sep 20th 2006 9:59PM
The problem with this system is that you won't know which cars you want until you test the vehicle out and test several modifications. Also, what happens when my friends come over to play and we have to purchase a vehicle that he wants to drive and so on.
This is taking the whole micro transaction thing a little far; I want a full game and will happily pay for additional content which will extend the life of the game and reduce the strain on developers to create whole new games to add features. However, to sell me a game piece by piece is just WRONG.
The idea of being able to create a customized game is awesome, but they should make all the content available for you to customize. For instance, I pay the regular game price for a game and single player offers me the full experience. However, online tournaments only allow me to utilize a certain amount of points that can be earned in single player, winning these tournaments, or purchased (ie. Sony points) to buy parts for my online vehicles. This whole feature could be a mode in the multiplayer, while also having your typical multiplayer.
Al @ Sep 20th 2006 10:12PM
So, is this how they're going to keep the costs down on those $80 games? By not actually giving you a complete game? Great use of that BluRay space!
I suspect this isn't true but if it is... oh man.
edwin @ Sep 20th 2006 11:23PM
DIE, SONY...DIE...!!!!!!!
Robyn Tippins @ Sep 20th 2006 10:20PM
So what's the basic car, a bondo/primer hooptee? Maye you could graffiti on a PSP cartoon?
That'd actually be creative (so don't count on it).
Daniel @ Sep 20th 2006 10:36PM
man you guys are pretty dumb if you believe this story.
it reminds me of "OMG THE PS3 WILL HAVE AN EMBEDDED TRACKING CHIP AND YOU WON"T BE ABLE TO BUY USED GAMES!!!*(R%(*)"
remember that?
Lekko @ Sep 20th 2006 10:37PM
I have a feeling this is just like GT4 prologue. How many of you own the prologue edition? anyone?
Dr.Swiss @ Sep 20th 2006 10:38PM
@ Daniel.
You're kidding, right? That was an actual rumour at one time? Dare I ask if you have a link?? I seriously find your comment more interesting then this article.
Daniel @ Sep 20th 2006 10:39PM
back to topic,
I think the game will have tons of
downloadable content, but for free.
Think about it, it's ingame advertisement at its finest. Car companies will want their cars in the game, extreme soda pop + body spray will want their ads on billboards in the tracks.
They pay for it, we get it free.
Venator2000 @ Sep 20th 2006 10:43PM
I just love the fact that the fanboys here are actually blaming Microsoft for this. Please! It's just capitalism at its finest/worst.
Daniel @ Sep 20th 2006 10:44PM
$100 games
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9901
Embedded tracking chip:
http://www.neogaf.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=32&limit=1&limitstart=1
both stories, I believe, were linked to by Joystiq.
I tried finding them on this site, but their search function sucks.
Snurp @ Sep 20th 2006 10:47PM
Now rich people will have all the cars I don't...just like real life.
Dr.Swiss @ Sep 20th 2006 10:49PM
Thanks Daniel, I didn't start reading any video game articles/blogs until maybe a month or two ago so I did miss out on a lot. I'll put the links you posted to good reading.
Cheers.
enemy @ Sep 20th 2006 11:09PM
If its like that, how are you supposed to race other cars? if you haven't downloaded them - does that mean you only race cars that you have downloaded? If you dont have them, how can they appear?
I cant wait... Buckle up!
Dave @ Sep 20th 2006 11:16PM
You are paying for the privilege of being allowed to purchase cars and tracks. You should all be thankful. Get down on your knees and thank Kazunori for blessing you with this honor.
:P
jason @ Sep 21st 2006 9:40AM
this is the crapiest crap i've ever heard. or maybe the greediest greed i've ever heard. does sony really think this is the future of gaming? "wouldn't it be cool if we took every dime that every gamer made?". for real, I love this series, but would anybody actually buy this crap?
delt @ Sep 20th 2006 11:26PM
This page has some links to the scans:
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/wapa/20060920/p1
arch @ Sep 20th 2006 11:37PM
the more i hear of this crap on the PS3 the more i think how can anyone disagree with what i am about to say?
This Console NEEDS To Flop, and just DIE.
everything they have touted, has come back to rape them in the ass and hard. 1080p, graphics, and bluray were the only advantages.
graphics have been debunked and totally, and 1080p has been taken by the 360. motion sensing by the wii, and both at a lower price. bluray is frankly no concern because, non compressed games = longer load times, and the 360s compression able to make a game from 1gig to 50 mb is disgustingly low.
any other advantages? besides games? and now sonys online has turned to this. eat me sony.
John @ Sep 20th 2006 11:40PM
That is laughable.
TTgowings @ Sep 20th 2006 11:45PM
So someone is finally reporting and seeing the light on Sony's gaming and online strategy. Why is it that no one can or wants to see what is actually staring at them right in their faces ? For almost 2 years no one believed the PS3 would ever possibly be over $400 and well who'd a thunk it gee guess how much it's gonna be.. Sony has already publicly said their games would NOT be the current prices that games are right now but that they would "try" not to go as high as $99 so I guess until you actually see the price at checkout being $79-$89 for the PS3 games no-one will believe that either.. Sony has already shown many screenshots and videos of their "free" online showing many of their games with "micro"transactions already in place. Close to all PS3 titles won't be able to played to their fullest capabilities without a broadband connection and micro-transaction so how free is their online exactly ??
Probot @ Sep 20th 2006 11:49PM
Daniel and Dr. Swiss,
First of all, to clarify things, Sony *has* patented technology to prevents used games from being played. It essentially locks a disc to one console. That's not a rumor; it was patented.
However, the rumor was that Sony might use it to kill off the used game industry, which doesn't pay anything to publishers. Here's Joystiq's origianal article:
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/08/playstation-3-wont-play-used-games/
Notice the tone of dismissal? "Does Sony plan to employ this technology in the PlayStation 3? Not likely." That's not a sensationalist post by any stretch of the imagination. And if they didn't report it at all, they'd be called biased for ignoring it.
They also posted a followup about Sony's response to the rumors:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/25/sony-denies-snafu-over-used-ps3-games/
As for the price, no one ever mentioned $100 games. In fact, the article you linked to quoted Kaz as saying don't expect $100 games.
Here's Joystiq's article, mentioning the quote and *asking* readers how much we think the games are worth.
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/28/how-much-would-you-spend-on-a-ps3-game/
Gossip and rumors are part of the fun of internet chatter. This post is clearly labeled, so you could have avoided it. The only reason I take offense to your post is because Dr.Swiss asked about the rumors, and Daniel's comments paint an unfairly negative picture of Joystiq.
By the way, most site-specific search sucks. That's why we use Google. Just type site:joystiq.com and you can easily find anything you want. It even caches comments.
Probot @ Sep 20th 2006 11:57PM
vakerorokero,
I really like that idea. Basically a demo disc that doesn't require you to buy the full game. You can buy peices at a time, only when you want them.
If this was priced right, like a large amount of tracks and cars for a small price, this could be a really great business model. It certainly depends on the genre, but I think a racing game is a good way to test this model out.
You only buy the tracks that look good. There'd have to be some way to demo them of course. The developers would be able to see which tracks people liked, and they'd be able to make more of those kinds.
Advertisers would have a much better idea of which cars are popular, so they'd have better feedback for advertising, which means they'd be more willing to advertise.
The more I think about it, the more I like it.
foobob @ Sep 21st 2006 12:22AM
"It's just capitalism at its finest/worst."
yes, with a bit of lame astroturfing to ensure all bases are covered... please, this is M$ we're talking about.
Tracy @ Sep 21st 2006 1:15AM
I bought the PS2 only after they came out with the Grand Turismo 3 package deal. I love the Grand Turismo series, but not enough for this one car/one track then buy the rest BS. And that is what I hope this is, BS.
The one car/one track and then buy all the rest idea would be death. I would hope Sony and Polyphony Digital would know better than that. A better idea would be have at least the same number of each that GT: 4 had and then add to that with downloads. Maybe add classic tracks/cars from the series that had been phased out, new cars as they are available in real life.
Lekko @ Sep 21st 2006 12:31AM
from IGN-
"Gran Turismo HD seems to be positioned somewhat like Gran Turimso 4 Prologue, a Japan-only release that offered a sampling of Gran Turismo 4 well before the final game's release. Polyphony is aiming to finish up work on the true Gran Turismo 5 in 2008. But prior to that, they wanted to both show a sampling of what Gran Turismo would look like running on new hardware, and build up a full network service in time for GT5. Premium mode takes care of the former, with the latter filled up by Classic."
Just like MS downloadable game demos, but with added content leading up to real release. It would be like Halo 3 comming out 4 months ago, and each level comming out as they make it every month. Also, that release only being for north america and Japan getting the FULL Halo 3 when it comes out. We're never going to actually see this. Leave it to MS fanbots to call this the end of Sony...
Hey, if your dreams DID come true and Sony tanks, all their BS is going to be ported over to your glorious 360. Think about that. Everything you hate about Sony would find it's way onto your console. I find it funny how all you fanbots hate diversity.