TGS: Xbox 360 to add 1080p support, PS3 to lose bullet point

'The "p" stands for parity.'

I stopped reading about right there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p
it's called progressive scan.

parity? wtf!

@dgruzew

yes there are tvs that accept it, they are just rare. WHICH IS WHY ITS POINTLESS FOR NOW. later maybe the panel makers will include it but its a DYING TECHNOLOGY, ppl would rather go full digital and get more quality and expansion.

...and less hassle with cables

I actually find this to be excellent news even though I don't have a 1080p television. I have a 720p/1080i Samsung DLP, so no when I watch DVDs on the 360, they'll be upscaled. Now I really don't have to pick a side in the format wars, and I save a bunch of money from buying an upscaling DVD player!

"140. 'The "p" stands for parity.'

I stopped reading about right there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p
it's called progressive scan.

parity? wtf!"


Ok, just to stop the confusion, and in case others didn't get the joke...here's the definition of parity.

"par‧i‧ty1  /ˈpærɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. equality, as in amount, status, or character.
2. equivalence; correspondence; similarity; analogy.
"

The end of the headline to this article reads "PS3 TO LOSE BULLET POINT"

quote from article "Microsoft's announcement -- which effectively parries Sony's bold claims regarding the merits of 1080p high definition content or, as Sony calls it, True HD -- is their latest move seeking to blunt the impact of the oncoming Sony PS3 hype-train. "


The 'p' stands for parity is meant to show that the 360 is now equal to the ps3 with it's "true HD" babble talk.

Wow, this isn't even out yet, and there's a lot of people up in arms over the capability.

I for one, think this is a good thing. It's a new feature I wasn't expecting. How cool is that?

You cant even get true 1080p out of a shitty xbox 360 first off.....cuz microsoft sux bd !!! lmao Playstation is better all the way through......Microsoft is just trying to sound as good as Sony.....Their talking about a "PATCH" to compete with Sony's true 1080p HD output !!! Freakin hilarious !!!! Im putting my 360 in the thrifty nickel today cuz it sux !!! Oh btw If you buy the hd-dvd add on...you have basically bought the technologically advanced, way superior PS3, or atleast you could have for the same amount of money, which would be dumb....Have fun paying for your high speed internet and xbox live while i play games like resistance for free !!!!!

"Microsoft's announcement -- which effectively parries Sony's bold claims regarding the merits of 1080p high definition content or, as Sony calls it, True HD "

See! That's what you get for holding back so damn long on the PS3 launch, Sony. I mean just give the competition all the time they need to catch up on the latest technology, why don't ya!!

This is a very smart move from Microsoft. Now they can too call themselves capable of 1080p. However, I do appreciate that they are upfront about the truth about 1080p, which is...

- Most HDTVs out there do not support this. So there is not much point in developers to budget CPU/GPU power to support this crazy resolution when all that could be spent to deliver better effects and gameplay.

- There are TVs and monitors that support 1080p through VGA, etc (non-HDMI) and the 360 will merely upscale the content to work on these. Also, they are clear on what content will be upscaled and using which method. If you note their comments, they have said that they will not support HDMI currently. i.e. There are no plans AS OF NOW. I read this as, the 360's AV connector is modular enough to allow them to market an HDMI cable later should there be a demand.

So, in my opinion... Kudos to MS for not promising us 1080p and still delivering it to those who care and being honest about what they are giving us.

...this thread illustrates PERFECTLY why people don't care or want to care about HDTV or 1008p or 4D or holograms or whatever

For the 40 year old mom, or other people less inclined to REALLY care...this too confusing to understand. All they want is a TV that works, or a video game system that plays...

KISS - Keep It Simple STOOPID

If vga can't handle signal like 1080p then how can the vga cable coming out of my PC be carrying 1,920,000 pixels this very second? I run at 1600 x 1200. 1080p is 1920 x 1080. 1600*1200=1,920,000
1920*1080=2,073,600
People without integrated video run a whole hell of a lot higher resolutions than what I run and they do it over vga. Analog doesn't mean low resolution. It means that the data isn't traveling over the cable as 1's and 0's. Digital doesn't neccisarily mean higher resolution.

Thank you Wild Homes for your intelligent post a little while back. I hope people read it or control F to find it.

Total ignorance.

Upscaled DVD from 480p to 1080p means NOTHING. As anyone knows, you can't take a 1 megapixel picture and quadruple its size. It looks like total crap. Same with videos. True 1080p content displayed on a proper 1080p display will make everything else look like crap.

Also, who cares about an HD-DVD attachement. You can't even use it to play games.... Xbox360 is still stuck with everything on DVD9s.

Microsoft knows that the xbox360 does NOT have the power to generate true 1080p output so that have to upscale and pretend to match Sony's real deal.

The PS3 is just so 'last year!' that it ain't even funny any more.

Ken could say 'We have upgraded the PS3 HDMI port again, to support 2160P at 240 FPS.TrueHD is now last gen.We are now giving consumers PureHD.You will have to upgrade your TV to the new HDMI 6.66 spec ofcourse.There is currently a game being developed using PureHD codenamed bat'n'ball game!'

Start saving or even better,sell your mum.

Blaster, you ignorant slut.

THIS IS NOT UPSCALING! Did you even read the article or the posts? NOT UPSCALED!

Yes, it mentions you can upscale DVDs. The 360 has been able to do that since the last dashboard update (via VGA/RGB, which I do, and it make standard 480p DVDs look gorgeous on my 27" HDTV in what is essentially 768p- yes, I said 768, not 720.)

Now, the other thing is that people keep saying "you can't do 1080p over component" and this is just a LIE. You can do ANY resolution over ANY standard high definition cable format. Component, VGA/RGB, HDMI, DVI, and even FireWire. In fact, the cable company would have you believe you can do it over coaxial cable (it's pretty damned compressed, but yes, you can).

1080p is possible over component. What is not possible over component (supposedly) is the copy protection scheme that WILL NOT BE UTILIZED UNTIL AT LEAST 2010. Frankly, I think it will be quite a while before the studios shoot themselves in the foot with HDCP.

Again- The 360 can do NATIVE 1080p with a firmware upgrade. N-A-T-I-V-E

Guys, 1080p CAN BE DONE OVER COMPONENT video cables!! The ONLY reason HDMI and DVI are the only ones to support it CURRENTLY is due to HDCP digital copy protection. Being that DVI and HDMI are ONE WAY ONLY that's why they are the standard. Copy protection is the ONLY reason component cables aren't used at the moment. If you were to record something in 1080p format that has not been copy protected it would play very well over component cables.

Man, some of you aren't that bright. It's also textures that are getting upscaled, so your lower res textures that barely fit onto a standard dvd will probably look even worse. Upscaling, and with component yet will yield images that are not as clean, detailed, or a sharp as NATIVE HDMI output. That would be if TVs actually supported 1080p with component, which they DON'T. M$ is throwing this useless tech out just to say they can do it.

Why not just stop with the moronic banter, and call it what it is. It's a shot from Microsoft to Sony. They don't really care what you think when it comes to HOW it'll work. It's Microsoft basically telling Sony that the PS3 isn't so high-and-mighty. "True HD" can only be achieved with the PS3? Microsoft would beg to differ.

Is it useless? Right now, of course it's useless. Consider how many people in the world do NOT experience HD in their homes. (Some) People who comment on this entry are tech-savvy (somewhat). The general public doesn't comment on Joystiq (or any sites for that matter). Hell, the general gaming public doesn't even care. And if that weren't enough, do you actually think tv/movie lovers care about the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3. No.

It's just another strategic strike to try and break the hype-machine that's being built for launch day. Nothing more, nothing less.

Frank the Tank (and anyone else):

The Samsung HL-S5687W will do 1080p via component..

go here: http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=SS&CttFileID=937445&CDCttType=UM&ModelType=N&ModelName=HL-S5687W&VPath=UM/200604/20060415155810718_BP68-00588A-01Eng[1].pdf

to download the manual. Once you have the manual, goto Appendix..and then Specifications...

Component Video In (Y Pb Pr)
480i
480p
720p
1080i
1080p

Have a nice day...

#23 Lekko

"The 360 still isn't capable of outputting a 1080p signal in any format that your TV can accept. Period. This is basically useless unless you play your 360 on a PC monitor over 24", and not to mention over VGA analog connection, not even digital DVI which is higher quality.

People moan and complain about the PS3 catering to only a small demographic, this update caters to an even smaller demographic of only people who have PC monitors over 24" that they use to watch movies on and play games, and even then it's only upscaled. Weak."

Or people who have component-HDMI converter.

I think there's a lot of confusion over what HD is in the world right now.

"Microsoft's 1080p software upgrade will also remove some of the value of their upcoming HD-DVD add-on by upscaling your existing DVD movies to HD resolutions, including 1080p."

If you have a TV set with a resolution of 1920*1080 (which you need for 1080p to be of any use) the TV itself will upscale your existing DVDs, so this upgrade isn't exactly unique. Also, upscaled content can't ever be considered as real HD. The material itself has to be of high resolution for that. Neither the xbox nor any other of machine can put details back into a movie if they're not on the DVD itself.

The 'p' in 1080p is for 'progressive' isn't it?

'I don't give a fig which machine's better. What I object to are ill-informed opinions. I bet, if you looked at Sony's PS3 product road-map, you'd see a lot of extra features planned for the future. Are they spoilers? Or simply that product development doesn't all happen at once, but is a gradual process.'

What i object to is companies spouting one thing then doing an about turn in an attempt to spoil the competition. When the PS3 was being announced and hyped MS shot down Sony saying that there was no need for the higher resolution output, no need for a HD-DVD drive with the 360 as normal DVDs were good enough and guess what.. they've now done a complete u-turn and now amazingly have a HD-DVD drive on the way and a software update for 1080. Incredible, product map my arse, they are just reacting to what Sony are doing. Virtua Tennis is displayed on a PS3 in 1080 and 2 days later MS announce their upgrade, if that's not a spoiler then what is?

damn!! one more time....

P for Parity means that Resolution on 360=PS3!!!

IT WAS A PLAY ON WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! read the title of the article!!! "PS3 to lose bullet point" meaning they can't really pimp it anymore because the 360 can do it! P for parity MEANS THE RESOLUTIONS ARE EQUAL!!! Not that the author doesn't know that the p stands for progressive!!!

"I also doubt that the Xbox 360`s dvd playback will be upgraded to upscale video. Today, it will only output in 480p (that 480 pixels progessive scan, Chris)."

Also...DVD playback IS currently upscaled if you are using the VGA cable instead of the component cables. This update should enable the upscaling through the component cables too.

To the guy who said HDMI cables are $100 in store, maybe $50 online -- For the record, $100+ Monster brand HDMI cables are in the running for the biggest rip-off in the history of big box stores. I won't link to a specific site, but this google search http://www.google.com/search?q=hdmi+cable finds you a good number of HDMI cables under $10, under $20 shipped, easy. Also try EBay. I recently picked up a pair of HDMI cables for under 20 shipped.

HDMI being digital means any cable that meets the minimum quality requirements (which are actually quite low) has an IDENTICAL picture to the Monster cable. Bit-for-bit identical.

Is it just me or does that picture look like a play one goatse.ex?

I have seen upscaled DVDs. I've seen true HD demos. They are not the same. They do not look the same. The information is simply not there.

VP of Digital Media at Microsoft says otherwise.

"1080p is supported over VGA for DVD, HD DVD and gaming output. And yes, AACS [a form of DRM] does allow 1080p over VGA (classified under authorized "computer monitor outputs")."

The VP goes on to add that "for component, you get gaming up to 1080p, and 1080i for HD DVD. DVD only works at 480p over this connection. The latter two are due to restrictions in DVD CCA and AACS rules for DVD and HD DVD playback respectively."

can the PS3 upscale DVD's?

im just wonderng if the update will cost anything or will it be like a normal xbox live update

Unfortunately people are missing that hardly any 1080p tvs accept a 1080p through the component cables and some of them don't even accept it through the VGA (like HP's DLP models)
Toshiba's newest 1080p sets don't even have a VGA input.
It's nice to have the ability to have 1080p on the 360, but it's a shame you have to pick and choose the television carefully to get proper 1080p.
They should have gone with HDMI, thankfully Sony remedied that mistake on the original PS3 20GB specs.

I have a 50inch DLP, 1080p TV. I updated this morning and according to the TV, I am receiving a 1080p signal from the component cable. Component cables have plenty of bandwidth for a 1080p signal. The question is HD DVD and upscaling DVDs. I do not think they will work over component (although I have not tried). This has nothing to do with the technology, however. It is because the movie studios will not let their content be pushed at that resolution though an analog (read: copyable) medium. Ironically, VGA is analog, but no one seems to mind that. Thus, to get an upscaled DVD signal, you need the VGA cable (haven't tested it... probably will tonight. I'm just sick of constantly buying new addons to get the hardware to do what it should of in the first place). Of course, HDMI or DVI would be best, but Microsoft apparently decided to output HD signal in analog, for whatever reason.

I do not know what's going to happen when the HD DVD player finally comes out. Will it work over component? Only VGA? Or will it only be 1080i? (I can't imagine that). I can tell you I won't be the first to test it. I won't drop another $200 without a guarantee that it'll work like it should.

So far, I've been fairly disappointed in Microsoft on the HD issue. Yes, the 720p looks great, but 1080p looks better. I can't believe that they didn't do that originally. And I can't believe that they don't have an HDMI connection (and it may never, sine apparently the 360 outputs in analog). Frankly, the main reason I bought the 360 is because I had the top of the line tv, wanted to play games on it, and th PS3 wasn't out yet. So far, it looks like I'll have to end up buying the PS3 anyway (in March or so, when it's actually available), so I can actually have top of line games.

So theres my rant ;)

infocus projectors support 1080p over component

this it to lekko.
Im gunna quote you here.
"23. The 360 still isn't capable of outputting a 1080p signal in any format that your TV can accept. Period. This is basically useless unless you play your 360 on a PC monitor over 24", and not to mention over VGA analog connection, not even digital DVI which is higher quality.

People moan and complain about the PS3 catering to only a small demographic, this update caters to an even smaller demographic of only people who have PC monitors over 24" that they use to watch movies on and play games, and even then it's only upscaled. Weak.

Posted at 3:48AM on Sep 20th 2006 by Lekko"

firstly thanks fot the tip i use dvi to my 24" for my pc and component for the 360, i will have to upgrade to the vga cable now. thanx.

i am one of those people who play movies and games on my monitor, i own 2 dell monitors, the 24" and the 30" im a bit obsessed with resolution and why not, its what makes things visible... and that is the purpose of these things, purely visual. im running into an issue here, A. the new 1080p does not work on a 24" monitor, it bugs out..[you just fixed that issue ;)] and there is no way to send the signal to my 30" that i have found (short oh having a custom dual link dvi cable made to run from my 360 to my pc monitor, and that may not work either but IDK.) While you are correct about it being a small market it will only grow. ook a thow many people still play the ps2, and ps1 or even the Commodore 64 for that matter... my point is these things will be arround for a long time and if MS seeks to make this a legacy item like the 64 it has to cater to all markets, including my outlandishly micro-market. this is by far not a "weak" move on their part...this is simply customer support. and upscaled is absolutely fine because enless the dev's make it 1080p it would not be anyway, but if they didnt add the support 1080p would not even be an option. if you dont think upsacaling is good then you probably dont realize that most games are developed in 720p, and have never upscaled that to 1080i. iv been doing that on my 24" and nothing comes close to the upscaled image, asside from native. so, while you say it is upscaled, the hardware supports it and now so too does the software, just not all the non 360 software...but it will come. i guess untill i get this cable made ill just have to enjoy my pc games only at 2560x1600 32b. sob sob, i love my X-360. TY MS, can you also get me a DVI-D cable so i can enjoy this support? hdtv is not good enough.
now a note for those that want better. get a projector with 1080p support if you can, that is the best for any console that i have sees, hands down.