TGS: Ridge Racer 7 demo attracts loyal fan

tsk. tsk. tsk.

this is just a preview of what is to come.....wait until those cell processors start catching on fire and burning houses down. lol

From Kotaku:
"We've seen a couple of kiosks and machines go down, but can somewhat safely assume this is just software related and not an issue with the PlayStation 3 machines themselves."

Hence the "demo took its toll".

My guess is that it a simple overheating issue due to the amount of time that these systems are on. I'm sure that like the PS2 which is only supposed to be played in 1 to 2 hour sittings, that the PS3 shouldn't be played all day.

This of course is not a good sign. The consoles are just two months away from being available for sale. If this is a hardware issue, they're pretty much at the wire to begin production. Actually I'm not even certain you can make any changes to the final hardware at this point without affecting production.

Oh no, a PS3 locked up in a tiny compartment for hours upon hours and playing a game in 1080p non-stop is having problems. Like anyone is going to put it through just as much hell at home. I see nothing to worry about here.

"Kotaku snapped this picture of a Sony rep bravely averting disaster by pointing some sort of advanced cooling mechanism into the console's compartment."
Lmao
Ludwig, your posts are the fun ones these days.

dont you guys think its becuase maybe they have been on and runnin for a long time.

after extensive use for hours apon hours ofcourse they might be some overheatin and then some shutdowns

Meh, I might be a Nintendo fanboy but I'm confident that this won't be a problem come launch.
The whole "houses are gonna go a-flame!" thing is just as silly as when people were saying "OMG Iraq is gonna buy 10,000 PS2s for the secret missile chip inside and make weeponsssss!!!" when that first came out.

Well for those of you who think this is normal, then I presume you also think its is ok for the 360 to overheat too?? No, lets get this clear, this is not OK.. With the amount of vents that the PS3 was pictured to have, this shouldn't be happening.. I guess that means that we have to get a laptop cooler/PS3 cooler for this console as well.. It is understandable that it is overheating, since you do have this thing outputting 1080p at 60hz, I was hoping that the extra vents compared to the 360, that it would not overheat; wishful thinking on my part..

What? You guys never leave your consoles on for 10+ hours? And you call yourself gamers? Shame. Any proper console should be able to be played 12 hours straight without a hitch. On the bright side, I'm assuming (and hoping) this is just a prob with beta hardware.

"We've seen a couple of kiosks and machines go down, but can somewhat safely assume this is just software related and not an issue with the PlayStation 3 machines themselves."

kotaku "safely assuming" that software can overheat a system is the dumbest thing i have heard. the culprit is either no airflow or bad system design.

And this is only a demo.
Sony needs to stop fucking with their batteries.

"zOMG, I wonder if people will notice when there's a giant black spot in their carpets!"
"Of course they will, but we'll just say its home decor by Sony!"
"Brilliant!"

Sony batteries, ftw.

Oh noes! The PS3 is now doomed! It overheated after being locked in a small encasing without proper ventilation and being played for 12+ hours straight! The horror! THE HORROR!

Give me a break. To all of those people claiming that it must be the hardware (or those complete morons who think its the "software"), come to your senses. Any system that is performing in a small case will overheat. I doubt that any home console will be "locked up" so that there is no fresh air return to the system.

I'm not getting a PS3 at launch and I don't really want one, but come on, this is getting a bit crazy. Can't we all just get along?

We have 2 more months, so people be quiet. i mean you're acting as if 360 didn't have any heating problems, so plz save it.

We have 2 more months, so people be quiet. i mean you're acting as if 360 didn't have any heating problems, so plz save it.

On another note, I wonder how loud the system is while in use. Has there been any word about that? With all of the work that the machine does, I would be surprised if it was quiet.

Don't listen to what anyone here says. Consoles are supposed to be touted as so called 'computers'. Computers are optimized to run.... ON ALL THE TIME.

Plus, it doesn't matter if the room is hot or not, temperature of the outside ecosystem has nothing to do with how a cooling system of a computer works.

PSWii360 Fanbot

I think it was some guys from 1up that described the running PS3 as "whisper quiet." I could be wrong. Someone at TGS has said that in the past two days though. I guess they were probably at the private Sony event at their headquarters after the keynote.

Its a freaking demo people!

Plus Sony has two months to figure out what went wrong with this and fix any last minute issues.

Im sure Sony will have a few bad units once the PS3 is sold, but who doesn't. As long as they don't have the numerous problems the XBOX 360 had when it was launched everything will be fine.

Sony having hardware problems?! That's unpossible!

Maybe it was a bad idea to put the power supply internal after all.

@18

Um, actually it does matter if the room is hot or cool. The "cooling system" to which you refer is no more than a radiative cooling process aided by the use of a fan. The warm air radiated by the system is evacuated by a fan from the inner portion of the system. This allows cool air to then fill the void that the fan creates. it is a simple case of Carnot's principle and Thermodynamics. If the cold reservoir (the outside air) is the same temperature as the hot reservoir (the PS3) then the cooling process is halted. In order for the cooling process to occur, there must be a difference in temperature between the two reservoirs thus allowing the system to effectively cool. So in fact, it makes a very big difference if the air inside the compartment is hot. Try putting any computer in a box and see what the end result will be.

That being said, refer to point 14.

#16 PSWii360 Fanbot:

According to this IGN interview ( http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733921p5.html ), the PS3 is pretty quiet. From the article, "Cell specs didn't change, its speed didn't change, in fact the final retail unit is so quiet that when we first had Lair booting from disc on it we thought the PS3 wasn't running at all."

I just thought you might like to read that. Though, I agree with you, I'm a little surprised to read that myself. Mouser X out.

Thanks. That's pretty interesting. I guess we will see.

since when has a console ever been designed to run for only a couple hours at a time? i have played every console i own for sessions as long as 20 hours without ever having a problem. that includes the 360.

It's more or less a cover for the companies. If you read the owner's manual, they tell you to only play for 1 hour and then give the system a rest for 15 minutes. I'm sure it is some kind of out for warranties and such

Ign was playing on a huge ps3 development kit, remember dev kits usually aren't that loud. The consumer version is like half the size of that.

Riiiiiddddgeee Raaaceeerr!

Rofl, there are actually MS fanboys who see this as a big deal? Enough has already been said, but ONE dev kit compared to HOW many cases of 360 overheating?
.0000002%?
People are only meant to play the 360 in 5 minute intervals?
There are meant to be several cooling units around it while it's turned on?

"Well /I/ bought a 360 at launch and have had no problems with it at all." Yay yay good for me! All the more reason to continue blowing that FANTASTIC company Microsoft. No one will remember this incident in 14 months when the PS3 proves itself to be a far better built system than the 360. :P

-NS

"assuming that software can overheat a system is the dumbest thing i have heard"

"Actually, it can and has happened."

ok, that's the second dumbest thing i have heard.

Tristan, you have NO idea how loud the PS3 dev kits are, and PS2 Tool systems for that matter.

they are NOT quiet, not in the least

@ 32. JD.

Just to let you know that of course software can overheat a system this is logical.

I wonder if the system runs hotter in 1080 than it does in 480. Some GPUs on the PC run hotter at higher resolutions, some don't.

I'd like to support the argument that this is just a demo unit, but I had lockup problems with my original Playstation, so Sony probably hasn't learned anything. Curiously, though, my PS2 has always been problem free.

I mean that post was for john. xD

@matt

i am an embedded systems programmer, not a child. feel free to expand on how an overheating cpu is a software and not a hardware issue.

John;
If you taped some copies of GranTurismo over the vents of the system, Software would cause the CPU to overheat.

I have no opinion about whether it was software or hardware that killed this thing, but I myself overheated my 360 twice when Oblivion came out by playing for two and a half days straight. so I'm not surprised that PS3 units that I assume hadn't enjoyed break-in time were struggling after being in extended constant use.

(humor)

Ok, so....

1) Don't keep your console on and in use for more than a couple of hours. Note to retailers, power off the kiosks regularly through out the day!

2) If used more than a couple of hours, or you live in a warm climate, be sure to use the method illustrated above, to avoid your console powering itself off.

Maybe the reason the console is whisper quiet is because they haven't added all the necessary fans yet.

Let's be realistic with poor chip yields and untested blueray technology there are going to be a lot of horror stories about having several ps3's break on people. I know what your going to say how can I know this, you are just making an assumption based off of rumors. Well, that is where you would be wrong, ever heard the quote history repeats itself. Just ask a few people how many ps2's they have had to purchase. For myself it has been two and that is where I stopped. That is one reason that I laugh when I hear Sony bragging about selling hundred million ps2's. The funny thing is the stuff in the PlayStation two was not nearly as untested. The only thing to change is this go around people will not buy more than one, at least not nearly as many as last time, do to the cost. If it's not overheating then it will be something else. To anyone who'll be getting one of a launch units get a warranty, for those of you who don't own oil fields or have a love of gambling, I would wait until they have been a little more tested. That's just how I feel about Sony's products. Although I love gaming and really hope that the PlayStation three will be a success and that someday I can get it at a lower cost, I will always have a little place at heart for PlayStation. Just tring to be a little realistic about whole thing.

Ps. I would think that the units on the show floor would have been put under several tests and possibly put in an air conditioned cabinet so that stuff like this cannot happen it looks really bad, but these days I guess Sony doesn't really care.

Maybe it's one of those 360 power-brick cooling devices?

Maybe Sony should sell a "Saftey-First Playstation 3" bundle for $649.99, complete with a PS3-branded fire extinguisher and a bucket of asbestos!

You sony bitches are some of the most biased idiots ive ever seen. On one hand its ok for to PS3 to freeze because of overheating because they have 2 months to fix it bkah (insert fanboy rant). They refuse to see that if this is a problem now then this will be a problem later, because its too late to make changes without completely delaying the Nov launch date. And to put this in perspective 360 didnt have any word of overheating until AFTER it was launched. So you tell me what kind of sign is that if they're having these problems PRe-launch?

I can understand (and forgive) a console overheating under conditions such as TGS, but under consumer use, this should NEVER be an issue, I would hope. I will at times leave a console on for days on end, partly because most times just because I don't have time to bother finding a save point, and partly because I'm just in the habbit of doing that. I *expect* my console to be able to handle this. I'm sure gaming centers would also expect a console to handle their environment too. And why shouldn't it if their myriad of fullblown computers can? If it can't handle either of these situations then it is defective, period.

Thank you, Matt, for your long post that pretty well told John the truth. I have a temperature monitor on my CPU and video card which keeps a log. The more complex the program - thus, the more cycles and/or processes that my CPU and video card are doing - the hotter it runs. Once it hits a certain point, that's when my auxilliary cooling kicks in - which, fortunately, is rare.

What I like is how, last year, the Sony Fanboys were SCREAMING about how the Xbox 360 would overheat if played too long, or the vents were blocked because it was on the carpet. Now, when confronted with graphic proof of something I've been saying all along - which is that the PS3 WILL (not could) overheat if you play it for too long - they're just dismissing it out of hand. There is a reason I was told - by a friend of mine who works FOR Sony (yes, even Microsoft people can have friends that work for Sony) - that the early models would melt. It's possible that they've gotten part of this fixed - but who knows?

I can't wait to see the pictures of a PS3 sitting on a block of ice, or with fans blowing on it - perhaps even suspended in midair like the 360 power block - just to keep it going. IIRC, one guy even put his in a freezer - let's see THAT trick with the PS3. It's certainly one thing when it's your power supply - which is, after all, a separate item on the 360. It's quite another when you've got it built in.

And I also agree with the comments above - what, you call yourself a gamer and you don't sit down for 4 - 6 hours at a time? What are you, really? I know when I went through Morrowind the first time on the Xbox, I played for 14 straight hours per day, for 4 days in a row.

so the rumor that it doubles as a George Foreman grill is true!

> My guess is that it a simple overheating issue due to the amount of time that these systems are on. I'm sure that like the PS2 which is only supposed to be played in 1 to 2 hour sittings, that the PS3 shouldn't be played all day.

Recommended gaming session times to save your eye-sight and boost your health are one thing. The machine switching itself off because it's overheated after being on for longer than 2 hours is another.

@18:
"18. Don't listen to what anyone here says. Consoles are supposed to be touted as so called 'computers'. Computers are optimized to run.... ON ALL THE TIME.

Plus, it doesn't matter if the room is hot or not, temperature of the outside ecosystem has nothing to do with how a cooling system of a computer works."

Dude, you are just wrong. Let me assume you were trying to be sarcastic, first of all.

Now, if you weren't, the outside temp plays a major part in cooling the inside of a console. Where exactly does the "cool" come from to replace the "hot" inside a console/PC/etc if not from some "external" location? The best you can do with fans or even water cooling is to bring the inside to the same temp of the outside of the system (unless you use some sort of refrigeration).

How much will the Next Generation cold air blower be? Ha Ha Ha. Will it be part of a bundle? Ha Ha Ha