The Political Game: Video games made me do it
Each week Dennis McCauley contributes The Political Game, a column on the collision of politics and video games:
Ladies and gentlemen of the Joystiq jury, I direct your attention to Independence Day, 2004. On that morning, Cody Posey, just an average 14-year-old boy, picked up a gun, walked into his home and gunned down his stepmother in cold blood.
The video games made him do it.
Cody's dad, Delbert, a caretaker at ABC newsman Sam Donaldson's New Mexico ranch, heard the shots and came running. Cody shot him dead, too, along with his 13-year-old stepsister, Marilea. Sam Donaldson actually discovered the crime scene and called the police. The adolescent killer was arrested, tried, and sent away. Cody Posey, average American teen, had become a homicidal maniac.
The video games made him do it.
At least, that's the premise behind a lawsuit filed in Albuquerque this week. The suit seeks $600 million in damages from Sony, Rockstar and Take-Two. Perhaps not coincidentally, that is the same amount demanded by another GTA wrongful death suit, brought by the same attorney in Alabama in 2005.
Unlike the Alabama case, however, the circumstances of which had at least a few similarities to GTA's game play, such as the fact that the victims were police officers and stolen cars were involved, the Cody Posey case has none. Was there a "go nuts and wipe out your own family" mission in Vice City? If so, I guess I missed it.
Never mind all of that, the video games made him do it.
In fact, even the most cursory examination of the case shows that for years prior to the killings Cody was beset by tragedy as well as an almost unspeakable level of abuse. Here's a kid who was brutally beaten by his father, a man who cared so little for the boy that he surrendered legal custody of his son at one point. Tragically, Cody's biological mother, to whom he was very close, was killed in a traffic accident in 1999. Young Cody was in the car at the time. One can only imagine the terrible effect that had on the boy's psyche.
But the video games made him do it.
During the investigation and trial, witnesses described occasions when his father hit Cody with a rock and threatened the boy's privates with a metal hook. There was testimony of his father squeezing Cody's fingers with pliers. Classmates recalled Cody coming to school with black eyes. Even Cody's uncle, a plaintiff in the $600 million lawsuit, admitted that his brother beat the boy with a board.
But, it was the video games.
On the night before the killings, Cody told investigators, his sick, twisted excuse of a father -- a man who had incest porn on his hard drive -- tried to coerce the boy into having sex with Cody's stepmother. When Cody refused, his father burned him with a heated metal rod. Unlike the nonsense in this lawsuit, Cody's burn marks were real. Investigators photographed them.
The judge in Cody's case found that the boy was suffering from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder at the time of the killings, hardly surprising given his witnessing the death of his mother and the horrendous level of mistreatment he suffered at the hands of his father.
None of this, of course, remotely justifies what Cody Posey did. But his lawyer argued -- and the court agreed -- that Cody needed treatment in a juvenile facility rather than being cast into the bowels of the adult prison system. He will likely be released when he turns 21. To let someone who killed three people go free just seven years after the crime is remarkable. It would have been very easy for the judge to send Cody away for the rest of his life. That he didn't tells us that His Honor was convinced by the abuse evidence as well.
So what's the video game angle?
Virtually nonexistent. Investigators removed a PS2 and a copy of Vice City from the crime scene in the Posey home after receiving some prompting from the lawyer who would later file this case. Gary Mitchell, Cody's attorney, was approached with the "GTA made me do it" concept before the trial, but recognized it for what it was.
"I didn't see as it as a meritorious defense," Mitchell told a local newspaper. "I was far more concerned about the abuse Cody suffered over the years than any connection to playing a game on the computer."
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you decide.
Dennis McCauley is Editor of GamePolitics.com and writes about games for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Opinions expressed in The Political Game are his own. Reach him at dennis@GamePolitics.com.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Joystiq jury, I direct your attention to Independence Day, 2004. On that morning, Cody Posey, just an average 14-year-old boy, picked up a gun, walked into his home and gunned down his stepmother in cold blood.The video games made him do it.
Cody's dad, Delbert, a caretaker at ABC newsman Sam Donaldson's New Mexico ranch, heard the shots and came running. Cody shot him dead, too, along with his 13-year-old stepsister, Marilea. Sam Donaldson actually discovered the crime scene and called the police. The adolescent killer was arrested, tried, and sent away. Cody Posey, average American teen, had become a homicidal maniac.
The video games made him do it.
At least, that's the premise behind a lawsuit filed in Albuquerque this week. The suit seeks $600 million in damages from Sony, Rockstar and Take-Two. Perhaps not coincidentally, that is the same amount demanded by another GTA wrongful death suit, brought by the same attorney in Alabama in 2005.
Unlike the Alabama case, however, the circumstances of which had at least a few similarities to GTA's game play, such as the fact that the victims were police officers and stolen cars were involved, the Cody Posey case has none. Was there a "go nuts and wipe out your own family" mission in Vice City? If so, I guess I missed it.
Never mind all of that, the video games made him do it.
In fact, even the most cursory examination of the case shows that for years prior to the killings Cody was beset by tragedy as well as an almost unspeakable level of abuse. Here's a kid who was brutally beaten by his father, a man who cared so little for the boy that he surrendered legal custody of his son at one point. Tragically, Cody's biological mother, to whom he was very close, was killed in a traffic accident in 1999. Young Cody was in the car at the time. One can only imagine the terrible effect that had on the boy's psyche.
But the video games made him do it.
During the investigation and trial, witnesses described occasions when his father hit Cody with a rock and threatened the boy's privates with a metal hook. There was testimony of his father squeezing Cody's fingers with pliers. Classmates recalled Cody coming to school with black eyes. Even Cody's uncle, a plaintiff in the $600 million lawsuit, admitted that his brother beat the boy with a board.
But, it was the video games.
On the night before the killings, Cody told investigators, his sick, twisted excuse of a father -- a man who had incest porn on his hard drive -- tried to coerce the boy into having sex with Cody's stepmother. When Cody refused, his father burned him with a heated metal rod. Unlike the nonsense in this lawsuit, Cody's burn marks were real. Investigators photographed them.
The judge in Cody's case found that the boy was suffering from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder at the time of the killings, hardly surprising given his witnessing the death of his mother and the horrendous level of mistreatment he suffered at the hands of his father.
None of this, of course, remotely justifies what Cody Posey did. But his lawyer argued -- and the court agreed -- that Cody needed treatment in a juvenile facility rather than being cast into the bowels of the adult prison system. He will likely be released when he turns 21. To let someone who killed three people go free just seven years after the crime is remarkable. It would have been very easy for the judge to send Cody away for the rest of his life. That he didn't tells us that His Honor was convinced by the abuse evidence as well.
So what's the video game angle?
Virtually nonexistent. Investigators removed a PS2 and a copy of Vice City from the crime scene in the Posey home after receiving some prompting from the lawyer who would later file this case. Gary Mitchell, Cody's attorney, was approached with the "GTA made me do it" concept before the trial, but recognized it for what it was.
"I didn't see as it as a meritorious defense," Mitchell told a local newspaper. "I was far more concerned about the abuse Cody suffered over the years than any connection to playing a game on the computer."
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you decide.
Dennis McCauley is Editor of GamePolitics.com and writes about games for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Opinions expressed in The Political Game are his own. Reach him at dennis@GamePolitics.com.






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ejflex @ Sep 29th 2006 1:45PM
Fuck this turd. His dumb ass self made him do it. I've been playing violent video games for a long time, and I wouldn't hurt a flie...
Ozyman666 @ Sep 29th 2006 12:43PM
And Gary Mitchell is well-known as a defense attorney who will grasp at almost any straw to help his client.
If he saw nothing there, you can be sure there was nothing there.
Willo @ Sep 29th 2006 12:43PM
This column isn't about politics, this is polemic. There is a big difference.
dori. @ Sep 29th 2006 12:43PM
Doesn't seem like Vice City had anything to do with it.
I personally would've given him something like manslaughter for the killing of his stepmother, given the circumstances (he'd be doing time, but not life). But the other 2 people... ehhh I'm not so sure
J B Cougar @ Sep 29th 2006 12:45PM
"I've been playing violent video games for a long time, and I wouldn't hurt a flie..."
Which was preceded by this:
"Fuck this turd. His dumb ass self made him do it"
WTF!?!?
Now, I don't agree with the whole video games made me do it defense at all, but hypocritical responses like this are just plain foolish and don't help the cause at all, no offense.
Mark Standridge @ Sep 29th 2006 12:46PM
I have not yet seen a copy of the complaint that was filed here in the NM Second Judicial District Court this past Monday. I have noted, however, throughout the media coverage of this case, that the plaintiffs are suing Take-Two, Rockstar, and Sony under a "civil conspiracy" theory. The law of New Mexico states that, "unlike a conspiracy in the criminal context, a civil conspiracy by itself is not actionable, nor does it provide an independent basis for liability." A civil conspiracy must actually involve an independent, unlawful act that causes harm--something that would give rise to a civil action on its own.
Interestingly, the "independent unlawful act" has yet to be mentioned, at least in the coverage I've seen. I would have to assume that Thompson tried to couple the "civil conspiracy" claim to some other alleged wrong by Take2/R*/Sony; I'm curious to see just what that "wrong" was, as I'm guessing it's something similar to the torts Thompson sued for in the failed James v. Meow Media case. At any rate, the law in New Mexico is clear that these plaintiffs cannot sue under a civil conspiracy theory alone.
Saiclone @ Sep 29th 2006 12:47PM
*Sigh*
I'm sure it was the videogames that got him the gun, or maybe his father was abusing him cos he(the father)was playing videogames too?
It's videogames turn in the spotlight of blame culture I see.Sad.
benderillo @ Sep 29th 2006 12:48PM
"Fuck this turd. His dumb ass self made him do it. I've been playing violent video games for a long time, and I wouldn't hurt a flie..."
Spoken like a true jackass.
JAC @ Sep 29th 2006 1:03PM
In the words of Chris Rock: "what ever happened to crazy?", those kids were messed up, period, if games made you kill people then we'd probably be living in total anarchy by now.
James @ Sep 29th 2006 12:51PM
@ ejflex :
You are an idiot. His life circumstances helped shaped his actions. It's obvious you didn't bother to read what the kid had to endure.
Not to give justification for his actions, but to help others understand the circumstances surrounding it, so other similar developing cases can be prevented in the future.
Of course games have nothing to do with it. But guess who is also on this case? Jack Thompson - nonetheless. Anyone with two brain cells know games have nothing to do with this; I don't know why this article was posted. Just more sensationalistic material.
Judd @ Sep 29th 2006 12:53PM
I feel like every time there is a post on this site talking about video game violence, the comment section is filled with comments about how you can't blame video game violence for real life violence. Ok, good, we already all know this. By people telling gamers that video games are not responsible for real life violence, they are just preaching to the choir. Instead of everyone agreeing with each other, we should go out there and prove our points. Go ahead, send a letter to your local Congressman if he/she is known for trying to create video game legislation. Even if a Senator doesn't even care to read a letter that we send, it is much more powerful than discussing it on the Joystiq message boards.
Matt @ Sep 29th 2006 12:52PM
*Is waiting for Jack "I am slow" Thompson to respond*
Super Duper MArio @ Sep 29th 2006 12:55PM
i wonder...
how fast this case is going to get thrown out?
Matt @ Sep 29th 2006 12:54PM
The one thing that doesn't make sense is the step-sister. Was there any explanation by him or his defense team as to why that occured? It isn't as though she was the one to burn his face on the stove, or whatever.
mindg4m3 @ Sep 29th 2006 12:54PM
What a sad case. First of all put it in a perspective of you walking in on the scene. Would you kill someone who was trying to make a teenager have sex with his step mom? Or would you stop the father from beating him or burning him at any cost? It seems like the boy had enough and decided to stand up for himself. It is unfortunate what happened, but it is more unfortunate that it actually got to this level.
Video games are always the culprit in things like this. Nobody every think to look at the circumstances, or other aspects of life. I still find it funny that video games take the blame when every night on prime time T.V. you can probably watch over 1000 people get killed / raped / beaten and more gore than most video games. There are bigger issues in the world than violent video games, but then who would be the scapegoat? Eminem already had his turn.
OtakuCODE @ Sep 29th 2006 1:11PM
Well, just look at it this way. Video games are rated for a reason, right? The gaming community as a whole admits that videogames are potentially harmful by consenting to this. The game found in the kids home that he ostensibly played was rated M. The gaming community as a whole, in their backing of the ESRB and their rating practices, implicitly says that this game can cause harm to people under the age of 17.
It's not hard to see how people could be persuaded to think that this game, which amounts to nothing more than button pushing and the manipulation of virtual characters in an act of imaginative meme-play, could drive an impressionable adolescent to kill when they look at the gaming community themselves and see that they've admitted themselves that this game is dangerous. If those that love games the most believe the simulated violence among virtual characters can harm people under the age of 17, who are those completely outside the gaming community supposed to believe that games don't have such an effect?
Being as gamers as a community have conceded the point that flickering pixels and the acts of imaginary characters can substantively affect the young, it's hard for them to mount a defense. Obviously, the argument that violent games might desensitize the young and the argument that they can lead the young to murder are two very different arguments, but they are ones of nuance that will be missed by most of the public.
The truth: Games don't hurt kids. Games can't hurt kids. Or adults for that matter. They are fiction, they are merely pressing buttons to manipulate characters. The characters are not people, they are memes. Stereotypes and imaginary conjurings. If the players ascribed realistic significance to the characters, they would, overwhelmingly, find videogames disgusting and unplayable. Read Grossman's "On Killing" to learn how one human killing another destroys the psyche of the killer, even in cases of self defense, and even when there are no ancillary consequences. It's hard to get anyone to see this if you agree that rating games, not just labelling their content but claiming that the content is injurious to players under a given age, is a necessary step.
HotShotX @ Sep 29th 2006 1:08PM
I just got Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney in the mail.
I'm going to become a lawyer, secure the evidence, and prove this child's innocence.
Video Games made me do it.
Oh.....wait, his father abused him, his stepmom tried to have sex with him, and he had a really messed up childhood brought about by the both of him.
That's ok, I'm sure Pong made them do it.
The person that suggested that video games were the cause in this case needs to have their license revoked. The...
Jerkoff
Asshole, whose
Cocksucking
Kaptivates
Time-whoring
Hardasses,
Omnipotent
Motherfuckering
Pricks, who
Should be
Obliterated
Nevertheless.
~HotShotX
CJC @ Sep 29th 2006 1:11PM
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
I know they make up the largest sections of the US, but why are so many shootings based in the South and Midwest? Too many guns lying around?
retro @ Sep 29th 2006 5:40PM
Great article, Joystiq. This boy had a very sad life. :( I can see why he went ballistic like that. Poor guy. Although, killing them was really evil... running away and getting help would've been a much, much better alternative. I guess in the spur of his anger, it felt like what was supposed to be done. But, it was still terrible. Plus, the daughter had nothing to do with it. :(
And what an idiot Thompson is for blaming videogames. What a complete moron.
djphatjive @ Sep 29th 2006 1:14PM
Good that he killed the father. Very bad that he killed the stepmother and the stepsister. He should be put away forever for that. being mental or not!
Jules @ Sep 29th 2006 1:12PM
I don't think that video games had anything to do with this case but what was the kid doing with GTA anyway. He's well below the age allowed to play such a graphic game. What gets me is how many people quote GTA as a mature game on Sony's platform when there are blatantly thousands of kids playing it.
reguy @ Sep 29th 2006 1:16PM
lets pay no mind to the possibilty that video games actually gave him a release from his tough life. that for an hour or two he could have fun and not worry about his problems.
the video games made him do it.
The Intangible Fact @ Sep 29th 2006 1:15PM
"Jerkoff
Asshole, whose
Cocksucking
Kaptivates
Time-whoring
Hardasses,
Omnipotent
Motherfuckering
Pricks, who
Should be
Obliterated
Nevertheless".
How about...
Old ass money-hungry
self centered pricks,
that discard rational
thinking and personal
responsibility with
fucking mind numbing
arguments.
Jabrwock @ Sep 29th 2006 1:19PM
The most amazing claim I found was that the game somehow taught him how to use his gun. Because of course we all know that ranch hands are completely clueless as to how to accurately use firearms until they sit down to play a 1st person military simulation. Er I mean 3rd person game with auto aim.
So I guess the game actually taught him nothing about the proper aiming of a handgun to achieve maximum accuracy...
Good call on the unsimilarity of cases, btw. I seem to have missed that "get revenge on your father & step-mom for years of abuse" mission too.
Don't forget that Posey was also taking Zoloft, which was banned in the UK for use by minors because of it's suspected contribution to depression, suicidal thoughts, and manic. How come Mr. Thompson isn't suing Pfizer as well as Sony?
LunarDuality @ Sep 29th 2006 1:24PM
@ Judd
I think you're very right about that. We as a gaming community are not politically vocal enough to defend ourselves with well thought out and powerful arguments in the political ring. Too bad really. I think I'll take your advice and write Hillary a nice long letter!
As for this case: It is really sad to me that this kid suffered so much and will likely suffer the rest of his life after both the actions of those in his guardianship and also his own actions. I hope that the juvenile system is able to help him sort out some of the challenges that he will face for the rest of his life. However, I have no illusions about the lack of true rehabilitation in the correctional system in this country.
We all know Video Games are the current scape-goat du jour. And no matter what there will always be a scape-goat du jour because as a society we are keen on passing the buck to some ancillary easily manipulated influence in a criminal's life. We must do better than this people; start taking personal responsibility. Living in a world of false blame and entitlement is the biggest problem facing this generation.
Kaiser Soze @ Sep 29th 2006 1:24PM
I love american medias. They never mention the absurdity that a 14 year old boy has access to a handgun. Maybe if it were illegal to own weapons, there would be less murders? Maybe, if every second household didn't have a gun in the closet, kids wouldn't kill their parants or schoolmates?
Or am I just shooting in the fog?
EWalker @ Sep 29th 2006 1:25PM
The only reason I could've seen this being a "video games made me do it" case, would've been if he were gunning the family down wearing a blazer with rolled up sleeves, a pastel shirt and loafers with no socks while driving a speedboat away from the scene... People will blame anything on video games to make an extra buck.
nightwng2000 @ Sep 29th 2006 1:28PM
I think someone mentioned that there was another video game that was found. They, too, were curious why the maker of that video game (Ubisoft?) wasn't included as a defendant, showing that there is a clear bias and possibly a hidden agenda in the motive to filing this suit.
It should be noted, for those who don't know, that Cody himself is also a defendant.
Over in the article about John Bruce becoming boring, I posted my own opinions about him and his actions. If he decides to post in this article, I'll copy and paste it because it remains true.
Matt, I agree about the step-sister. It's been a strange part of the case that I couldn't figure out either. I can understand (one may not be able to claim Cody's acts to be "justifiable", but it isn't hard to "understand" that an individual may choose the path he choose, for good or ill) why he killed his father and his step-mother (especially if she was in on the attempted sexual assault of Cody). But unless there is something I missed in the testimony, I can't figure why he killed his setp-sister. Accident while killing one of his parents? Heat of the moment while killing one of his parents? Who knows besides Cody.
Here's the case info so far, in case anyone is interested:
http://www.nmcourts.com/caselookup/searchDetail.htm?caseId=D-202-CV-200607672&caseTitle=&fromDate=2006-09-24&toDate=2006-09-29&fromPage=psr
nightwng2000
NW2K Software
a @ Sep 29th 2006 1:26PM
Jack Johnson - Cookie jar lyrics
it sums up the blame game quite nicely..
And I would turn on the TV
but its so embarrassing
to see all the other people
don't even know what they mean
and it was magic at first
to see them speak without sound
but now your souls gonna hurt
you better turn that thing down
well it wasn't me says the boy with the gun
sure i pulled the trigger but it needed to be done
because lifes been killing me ever since
ever since it begun
you can't blame me cause I'm too young
well you can't blame me,
sure the killer was my son
but i didn't teach him to pull the trigger of a gun
its those video games and his TV screen
you can't blame me
its those images he sees
well you can't blame me says the singer of the song
and the maker of the movie which he based his life on
its only entertainment as anyone can see
its smoke machines and makeup man
you can't blame me
well you can't blame me says the media man
well i wasn't the one who came up with the plan
and i just point my camera at what the people wanna see
its a two way mirror man, you can't blame me
it was you, it was me, it was every man
we've all got the blood on our hands
we only receive what we demand
if we want hell then hells what we'll have
hmm hmmmmm
Woody @ Sep 29th 2006 1:28PM
No one has *ever* mentioned the fact that the game exists. Not because Take-Two/Rockstar made it, but that no government agency or ESRB program cancelled or censored it. None of those groups take any responsibility for letting the game get to the consumer.
Do I think its their job to censor, NO, but I do think that if they allow a game to be published and produced to the public, they should have some *ownership*.
skakidd @ Sep 29th 2006 9:01PM
Welcome to America. People are so scared of consequences today that they'll blame it on someone else. "I didn't kill my family, GTA made me do it..."
or "I'm not fat, McDonalds is to blame..." Give me a break. Be real, admit you screwed up, live with the consequences. It's called integrity. Try it.
chris w @ Sep 29th 2006 1:35PM
"I know they make up the largest sections of the US, but why are so many shootings based in the South and Midwest? Too many guns lying around?"
You're right. we should round up everyone's firearms and destroy them all. Then what? Turn to the government for protection? Let freedom ring (9_9)
Jeffers @ Sep 30th 2006 7:12AM
I can definitely see a connection. I've played a lot of Tetris in my life, and now everytime I move or have to pack up a car I'm always rearranging thing to use up every available inch of space.
That's probably just like playing a shooter and then going on a killing spree.
Jabrwock @ Sep 29th 2006 1:39PM
@nightwing2000
Supposedly he killed his step-sister because she came running in along with the father, and so she would have been a witness. I believe this was a key argument in the prosecution's arsenal to prove that the murder wasn't just him "snapping", but actually being aware of the consequences of his actions.
@Woody
I hope you don't hold the publishers, bookstores, and government partially responsible then for the various murders over the last half-century that were attributed to "Catcher in the rye".
Because such a thing would amount to censorship on the grounds of providing "thought control". If so then we're in for the long haul, and better start suing publishers and sellers of anything by Karl Marx, or any other author who inspired someone to do terrible things.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 1:38PM
"I love american medias. They never mention the absurdity that a 14 year old boy has access to a handgun. Maybe if it were illegal to own weapons, there would be less murders? Maybe, if every second household didn't have a gun in the closet, kids wouldn't kill their parants or schoolmates?
Or am I just shooting in the fog?"
You just shooting in the fog.
You know, people in general have had access to guns at that age ever since colonial times. Every family had a gun or two, and its a good thing they did. There would not be a United States of America now if every family didn't own their own guns for fighting the british.
Wait, you probably are British. No wonder you hate the gunz then.
Guns don't kill people, people do. The kid worked on a ranch, he probably had easy access to guns, just like everybody else.
I for one, applaude the boy. Its kinda like the Minendez kids. They killed their parents due to a long history of abuse that caused them to snap.
Frankly, it sounds like this kid's dad deserved it. Actually, it sounds like this dude deserved a fate much worse than death.
Step-sister, however, I am also confused on. I think there are very many things about this case that we don't know at this time, and cannot pass proper judgement.
I guess thats why we're not jurors.
Mark Standridge @ Sep 29th 2006 1:40PM
"Wrongful death non auto"
Well, I guess that answers my question about the cause of action.
CJC @ Sep 29th 2006 1:42PM
"Maybe if it were illegal to own weapons, there would be less murders?"
"We should round up everyone's firearms and destroy them all..."
Oh man, BAD IDEA. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
nightwng2000 @ Sep 29th 2006 1:42PM
OtakuCODE,
I disagree with your claim that the rating system implies that video games are potentially harmful.
There are a variety of reasons why some parents may limit the rating their own children play. Those reasons may very well be a belief that a particular rated game may cause harm. Another may think that a particular rated game may actually be too advanced for their child. Another may have strong religious beliefs and view certain rated games as being too morally different from their own.
The letter part of the rating is a "flash card" if you will. An informed parent will know at least the basic reasons why a game is given a particular letter.
The discriptors are there to inform an intelligent individual about what content is there.
The ratings allow informed parents to make their own decisions by flashing a notice, in a sense, letting the parent know that the parent should pay attention to the content as the parent may need to make a decision as to what they would find appropriate or not appropriate for their own child. The ratings don't read as judgments on games (or movies or other material for that matter). It merely is there to inform someone to take note.
A parent can go with that little bit of info, or go do further research.
But I don't see the ratings as passing judgment, merely informing people of content, leaving positive or negative opinions to the consumer.
nightwng2000
NW2K Software
cyberfrog @ Sep 29th 2006 1:45PM
here's some fun, looks like wacko jacko is in trouble... real trouble
http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pri&dt=060929&cat=frontpage&st=frontpagesteph_abramoff_060928&src=abc
Anonymouse Rep @ Sep 29th 2006 1:45PM
The Intangible Fact - you missed the joke. The first letter of each line spells out the name Jack Thompson - a well known anti-video game vitriolic loudmouth.
At the time the crimes were committed, Cody was 14, and had been suffering from some mental issues since he was 9 and the death of his mother while he was with her. It appears that the step-mother may have been complicit to some degree in his treatment by his father, and there may have been allegations (due to the incest) that his father was actually having sex with the 13 year step-sister as well - thus another reason why he shot her.
Unfortunately, when you deal with an entire family of that is mentally dysfunctional, you can open up a WHOLE can of worms. I've had professional dealings with families where the old joke "I am my own grandpa" is quite literally true. These people don't wear (normally) wear signs that say I've got problems.
And CJC, that's a VERY selective chart you point out. Or are you considering Germany to be in the South as well?
Seriously, though, the problem is not that there are firearms around - the problem is that there is a lack of firearm education and safety going around. I grew up in a rural area around and with guns - I've hunted with them, and I have seen what they can do. While I was picked on as a nerd while in school, I never thought about taking a gun to school and killing the guys that picked on me. Instead I got into the school computers and changed their grades, like any self-respecting nerd would do.
Guns are a tool - no more, no less. They are designed with one purpose in mind - killing things. In many parts of the United States, it's almost deer season again, and you'll have guys streaming into the woods out to get some venison. Squirrel and rabbit season are also about to open as well. You may consider it to be atavistic that someone would hunt their own food - instead it simply removes the middlemen of the rancher, the meat packing plant and the grocery store.
ChronoZaga @ Sep 29th 2006 1:52PM
BRAVO JOYSTIQ! Wonderful job of getting your point across without mentioning that reprehensible lawyer's name. That's just what he would have wanted.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 1:53PM
cyberfrog
Wrong Jack. We hate Jack Thompson, not Jack Abramoff...
Well, we hate him too, but not for the same reasons
Chris @ Sep 29th 2006 1:54PM
These series of "political" columns are boring and predictable, IMO.
LaughingTarget @ Sep 29th 2006 1:55PM
CJC -
If you look at that chart, the bulk of the school shootings on the list are in regions where firearms are either outright banned or highly restricted. School shootings are less likely because of firearm access (as is the case where the majority of them are in places with low access), but the fact that in each location, schools are classified as "gun free zones". Far easier to handle attacks in such locations since the attacker is certain that help is a long way away, given the average police response time is in the 14 minute range.
Just a little article for additional information:
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NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 13, No. 38 09/22/06
70 MILLION MORE GUNS.38% LESS VIOLENT CRIME
Data released by the FBI on Monday showed that in 2005, the nation's total violent crime rate was 38% lower than in 1991, when violent crime hit an all-time high. Rates of the individual categories of violent crime were also much lower in 2005 than in 1991. Murder was 43% lower, rape 25% lower, robbery 48% lower, and aggravated assault 33% lower. The FBI's report came on the heels of a Bureau of Justice Statistics crime survey that found that violent crime was lower in 2005 than anytime in the survey's 32-year history.
Defying the anti-gunners' claim that more guns means more crime, from 1991-2005 the number of privately owned guns increased by more than 70 million.
The news media often characterize violent crime as a primarily gun-oriented problem, but the FBI's report showed that only one in every four violent crimes in 2005 was committed with a gun. In 2005, as in previous years, most violent crimes were robberies and aggravated assaults, most of which were committed with knives or bare hands.
Recently, anti-gun politicians and activists have intensified their rhetoric over the "lack" of bans on handguns, so-called "assault weapons", and .50-caliber rifles; gun registration, gun owner licensing, and mandatory background checks on sales of guns between friends and family members; and limits on the frequency of gun purchases, all of which they say are necessary to reduce the nation's murder rate. But for the last seven years, the murder rate has been steady¾in the 5.5-5.7 per 100,000 population range¾at all times lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. In 2005, for example, the murder rate was 5.6.
Naturally, anti-gunners will downplay the downward trend in violent crime since 1991, and focus on the fact that the FBI's report showed a 1% increase in total violent crime, and a 2% increase in murder in 2005, compared to 2004. But those changes are miniscule, compared to the huge decrease in crime over the last 14 years.
The FBI's report once again confirmed that violent crime rates are lower in states with Right-to-Carry (RTC) laws. In 2005, RTC states had, on average, 22% lower total violent crime, 30% less murder, 46% lower robbery, and 12% lower aggravated assault rates, compared to the rest of the country.
As usual, Washington, D.C., which leads the nation in anti-gun laws, led the nation in murder, with a rate six times higher than the rest of the country. Neighboring Maryland, where gun control advocates have been particularly active recently, once again had the highest robbery rate among the states, but also tied for the unenviable distinction of "first place" in murder among the states. However, despite Maryland's high crime counts, CeaseFire Maryland, the local Brady Campaign affiliate that recently released a paper demanding an "assault weapon" ban, was unable to point to any crimes in the state involving such a gun.
The FBI's report must have displeased New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg (R). Despite the mayor's recent posturing on the gun issue, and his self-laudatory comments about fighting crime, the Big Apple's murder rate was more than double that of the rest of the state. Similarly, in Philadelphia, where anti-gun politicians are calling for a statewide one-gun-a-month law, the murder rate was more than seven times higher than the rest of Pennsylvania.
Adding to the reasons why voters should "Dump Doyle" in Wisconsin's upcoming gubernatorial election, their state had the greatest total violent crime rate increase (15.1%) between 2004-2005. Murder was up 25.2%; robbery up 11.2%; and aggravated assault up 20.2%. Wisconsin is one of only two states that prohibits Right-to-Carry entirely, but in 2005, 11 of the 12 states that had the greatest decreases in total violent crime, and 12 of the 14 states with the greatest decreases in murder were Right-to-Carry states. The seven states with the lowest total violent crime rates in 2005, and 11 of the 12 states that had the lowest murder rates, were Right-to-Carry states.
Last, but not least, is good news from Florida, the state that during the last 20 years has been most often attacked by anti-gunners, for (among other reasons) setting the Right-to-Carry and "Castle Doctrine" movements in motion. In 2005, Florida recorded a murder rate 13% lower than the rate for the rest of the country (4.96 per 100,000, vs. 5.67 for the rest of the country). For the record, Florida's 2005 murder rate was 58% lower than it was in 1986, the last year before the state's landmark Right-to-Carry law took effect.
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The article best covers what Anonymouse Rep said. Regions with heavy anti-firearm sentiment are more likely to have firearm violence due to the lack of understanding of the weapons, a feeling of power since the individual is holding one when few others are, plus the lack of any real deterrence to attack another when it is farily certain that individual does not have a weapon either on their person or in their home/workplace.
Ultimately, if the individual is disturbed enough, even the lack of a firearm would not stop the attack. This kid would have moved onto a hatchet, knife, baseball bat, etc had a firearm not been present and the result would have turned out the same.
Woody @ Sep 29th 2006 1:57PM
@Jabrwock
You're right, maybe I came across poorly. No, I don't like the idea of "mind control"
But I guess it just seems like people often go straight to Take-Two for this issue. But really, there is a chain of people/agencies/etc that are in the line.
Here is how I "think" it works:
1. Development Company Creates
2. Publisher Produces
3. Publisher Submits to ESRB
4. ESRB gives rating
5. Store "requests" copies
6. Purchaser "requests" game (with visible warning of content)
7. Store Clerk/owner verifies purchaser is of age.
8. Purchaser plays or gives game to player.
So, we have what I think is a fairly long line of people involved.
Now, should the government enforce #3? I think so, but maybe not?
Should the government regulate/approve/make recommendations for #4?
We've seen lately the government take action enforcing sale of rated M games to minors (#7), but in the end, usually #8 beats everything.
Its just everyone sues Take-Two and Rockstar. Some questions we may want to ask,
1.How did the kid get the game (obviously when he's not of age).
2.Was the Rating Correct? (I think so)
I dunno, this just seems so 'odd'. Its like suing the guys who manufacture guns for every death (or the guys who make the bullets). Better yet, why not the guys who manufacture materials like steel and plastics for making the parts that made the gun.
I would like to continue to see games/movies/books given the freedom to create what ever they want, but in the end it seems like games get the short stick (and are beaten with it).
No one sues CSI for showing some fairly violent/graphic content, AND ITS NOT RATED 'M' FOR MATURE!!!
chris w @ Sep 29th 2006 2:09PM
"Oh man, BAD IDEA. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
I know! I apologize that my sarcasm was unclear. I took Kaiser Soze's extreme stance ("Maybe if it were illegal to own weapons, there would be less murders?") and took the next step in that illogical corellation. Again, I believe we would be more UNSAFE if guns were taken away from the people.
Ben Hobbs @ Sep 29th 2006 2:15PM
Of course its about access to guns, no other country in the world has teenagers going rambo in the playground.
Jeez, we couldnt even think about buying or getting our hands on fireworks when I was 13-14, I still have yet to this day to even touch a real life gun.
This sort of thing will just keep happening until gun legislation is brought in, Why on Earth do people need guns? Because someone might rob them who also has a gun? - Its only because its so easy to get them in the USA.
Evil Closet Monkey @ Sep 29th 2006 2:14PM
Crazy thought -
How about the next article that is posted about something Thompson is involved in we all post mature, intelligent, thought provoking counter points to what Thompson is attempting to pass on as fact. Instead behaving like 12-year olds and calling him names, which just adds fuel to his fire. *shrug* Just a thought.
Michael Morris @ Sep 29th 2006 2:31PM
Seriously now, the reason this case and not another is the parties involved. Dirt poor and functionally illiterate would describe Verlin Posey. Dirt poor living in a trailer would describe the elderly Pat Basham. Basham came to people's attention when he stood up at the sentencing and essentially claimed Cody Posey was a pimp and child molestor because he engaged in some oral foolery with a like aged girl. We wondered at that point about his sanity. At the same time we learned his son Brian who testified that he had shared the intimate details of his insanity with Cody is really incapable of caring for himself.
While this explains the motive the ravings from these folks that they are not in it for the money, but rather some higher purpose are, at best, comical. For instance, Verlin later admitted knowing of the abuse yet was silent. The Basham's daughter Tryone was not raised in the morality being espoused by her would be millionaire father. Some do recall that Tryone met Delbert working nights at the cheese planr in Roswell. It was there that the married Tryone began servicing the married Delbert in the parking lot.
Jack T. could not have found a better set of survivors. For them this is a chance at escaping lifelong destitution. Couple that with no genuine sense of right or wrong and you get full cooperation.
As for Marilea, testimony at the trial clearly indicated that she took money and other favors to report on Cody committing household offenses like talking to Mexican descended kids or wearing a t-shirt at school. These were beating offenses.
The point is that the video game had no hand in this whatsoever.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 2:25PM
Ben, you're a moron. Did you even READ LaughingTarget's (#41) post? Or don't you believe in little things called "facts" that disagree with your opinion.