The Political Game: Video games made me do it
Each week Dennis McCauley contributes The Political Game, a column on the collision of politics and video games:
Ladies and gentlemen of the Joystiq jury, I direct your attention to Independence Day, 2004. On that morning, Cody Posey, just an average 14-year-old boy, picked up a gun, walked into his home and gunned down his stepmother in cold blood.
The video games made him do it.
Cody's dad, Delbert, a caretaker at ABC newsman Sam Donaldson's New Mexico ranch, heard the shots and came running. Cody shot him dead, too, along with his 13-year-old stepsister, Marilea. Sam Donaldson actually discovered the crime scene and called the police. The adolescent killer was arrested, tried, and sent away. Cody Posey, average American teen, had become a homicidal maniac.
The video games made him do it.
At least, that's the premise behind a lawsuit filed in Albuquerque this week. The suit seeks $600 million in damages from Sony, Rockstar and Take-Two. Perhaps not coincidentally, that is the same amount demanded by another GTA wrongful death suit, brought by the same attorney in Alabama in 2005.
Unlike the Alabama case, however, the circumstances of which had at least a few similarities to GTA's game play, such as the fact that the victims were police officers and stolen cars were involved, the Cody Posey case has none. Was there a "go nuts and wipe out your own family" mission in Vice City? If so, I guess I missed it.
Never mind all of that, the video games made him do it.
In fact, even the most cursory examination of the case shows that for years prior to the killings Cody was beset by tragedy as well as an almost unspeakable level of abuse. Here's a kid who was brutally beaten by his father, a man who cared so little for the boy that he surrendered legal custody of his son at one point. Tragically, Cody's biological mother, to whom he was very close, was killed in a traffic accident in 1999. Young Cody was in the car at the time. One can only imagine the terrible effect that had on the boy's psyche.
But the video games made him do it.
During the investigation and trial, witnesses described occasions when his father hit Cody with a rock and threatened the boy's privates with a metal hook. There was testimony of his father squeezing Cody's fingers with pliers. Classmates recalled Cody coming to school with black eyes. Even Cody's uncle, a plaintiff in the $600 million lawsuit, admitted that his brother beat the boy with a board.
But, it was the video games.
On the night before the killings, Cody told investigators, his sick, twisted excuse of a father -- a man who had incest porn on his hard drive -- tried to coerce the boy into having sex with Cody's stepmother. When Cody refused, his father burned him with a heated metal rod. Unlike the nonsense in this lawsuit, Cody's burn marks were real. Investigators photographed them.
The judge in Cody's case found that the boy was suffering from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder at the time of the killings, hardly surprising given his witnessing the death of his mother and the horrendous level of mistreatment he suffered at the hands of his father.
None of this, of course, remotely justifies what Cody Posey did. But his lawyer argued -- and the court agreed -- that Cody needed treatment in a juvenile facility rather than being cast into the bowels of the adult prison system. He will likely be released when he turns 21. To let someone who killed three people go free just seven years after the crime is remarkable. It would have been very easy for the judge to send Cody away for the rest of his life. That he didn't tells us that His Honor was convinced by the abuse evidence as well.
So what's the video game angle?
Virtually nonexistent. Investigators removed a PS2 and a copy of Vice City from the crime scene in the Posey home after receiving some prompting from the lawyer who would later file this case. Gary Mitchell, Cody's attorney, was approached with the "GTA made me do it" concept before the trial, but recognized it for what it was.
"I didn't see as it as a meritorious defense," Mitchell told a local newspaper. "I was far more concerned about the abuse Cody suffered over the years than any connection to playing a game on the computer."
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you decide.
Dennis McCauley is Editor of GamePolitics.com and writes about games for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Opinions expressed in The Political Game are his own. Reach him at dennis@GamePolitics.com.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Joystiq jury, I direct your attention to Independence Day, 2004. On that morning, Cody Posey, just an average 14-year-old boy, picked up a gun, walked into his home and gunned down his stepmother in cold blood.The video games made him do it.
Cody's dad, Delbert, a caretaker at ABC newsman Sam Donaldson's New Mexico ranch, heard the shots and came running. Cody shot him dead, too, along with his 13-year-old stepsister, Marilea. Sam Donaldson actually discovered the crime scene and called the police. The adolescent killer was arrested, tried, and sent away. Cody Posey, average American teen, had become a homicidal maniac.
The video games made him do it.
At least, that's the premise behind a lawsuit filed in Albuquerque this week. The suit seeks $600 million in damages from Sony, Rockstar and Take-Two. Perhaps not coincidentally, that is the same amount demanded by another GTA wrongful death suit, brought by the same attorney in Alabama in 2005.
Unlike the Alabama case, however, the circumstances of which had at least a few similarities to GTA's game play, such as the fact that the victims were police officers and stolen cars were involved, the Cody Posey case has none. Was there a "go nuts and wipe out your own family" mission in Vice City? If so, I guess I missed it.
Never mind all of that, the video games made him do it.
In fact, even the most cursory examination of the case shows that for years prior to the killings Cody was beset by tragedy as well as an almost unspeakable level of abuse. Here's a kid who was brutally beaten by his father, a man who cared so little for the boy that he surrendered legal custody of his son at one point. Tragically, Cody's biological mother, to whom he was very close, was killed in a traffic accident in 1999. Young Cody was in the car at the time. One can only imagine the terrible effect that had on the boy's psyche.
But the video games made him do it.
During the investigation and trial, witnesses described occasions when his father hit Cody with a rock and threatened the boy's privates with a metal hook. There was testimony of his father squeezing Cody's fingers with pliers. Classmates recalled Cody coming to school with black eyes. Even Cody's uncle, a plaintiff in the $600 million lawsuit, admitted that his brother beat the boy with a board.
But, it was the video games.
On the night before the killings, Cody told investigators, his sick, twisted excuse of a father -- a man who had incest porn on his hard drive -- tried to coerce the boy into having sex with Cody's stepmother. When Cody refused, his father burned him with a heated metal rod. Unlike the nonsense in this lawsuit, Cody's burn marks were real. Investigators photographed them.
The judge in Cody's case found that the boy was suffering from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder at the time of the killings, hardly surprising given his witnessing the death of his mother and the horrendous level of mistreatment he suffered at the hands of his father.
None of this, of course, remotely justifies what Cody Posey did. But his lawyer argued -- and the court agreed -- that Cody needed treatment in a juvenile facility rather than being cast into the bowels of the adult prison system. He will likely be released when he turns 21. To let someone who killed three people go free just seven years after the crime is remarkable. It would have been very easy for the judge to send Cody away for the rest of his life. That he didn't tells us that His Honor was convinced by the abuse evidence as well.
So what's the video game angle?
Virtually nonexistent. Investigators removed a PS2 and a copy of Vice City from the crime scene in the Posey home after receiving some prompting from the lawyer who would later file this case. Gary Mitchell, Cody's attorney, was approached with the "GTA made me do it" concept before the trial, but recognized it for what it was.
"I didn't see as it as a meritorious defense," Mitchell told a local newspaper. "I was far more concerned about the abuse Cody suffered over the years than any connection to playing a game on the computer."
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you decide.
Dennis McCauley is Editor of GamePolitics.com and writes about games for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Opinions expressed in The Political Game are his own. Reach him at dennis@GamePolitics.com.











Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
ElTiante @ Sep 29th 2006 2:27PM
For the love of GOD can people please stop naming their kids names like Cody, Cassidy, Dylan, Conner, Tyler and any other soap opera kid's names!
Raine @ Sep 29th 2006 2:30PM
Another good articel if you want more on the topic
http://www.aeropause.com/archives/2006/08/violent_games_a.php
chris w @ Sep 29th 2006 2:32PM
lol, you're right it's easy to get guns if you do it ILLEGALY; the majority of people don't though. It's a rigorous process that involves, in most states, a registration process anyways.
Why are people so quick to hand over the freedom of the ultimate form of protection? Just because you, "ben hobbs" are terrified of touching guns have no right forcing them out of my hands.
We both understand the seriousness of using them improperly, so why do you feel it's necessary to disarm both of us? It's your choice to be scared, it's my choice to be have the opportunity to be prepared.
32_Footsteps @ Sep 29th 2006 2:38PM
Why blame even the guns?
Put aside your stance on gun control for a moment and look at this case. This was about the systemic breaking of a human being. And when all civilized impulses are broken in a human being, that person becomes destructive. Video games or no, guns or no, this result was inevitable once the father started to destroy his son.
It's merely the darkness in the human heart. People want to blame video games, guns, whatever they can. But nobody wants to admit this level of evil is within a human being. And yet, we all have it, no matter how much some want to deny it.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 2:43PM
Humanity is inherently evil. None of us are innocent.
Look at the smallest children in daycare. If someone wants the toy of another, they take it. Others bite each other, hard.
I have a neice and a nephew, 2 and 4 respectively. They often come home from daycare with bite marks on their skin.
Morality and Civility must be taught, they are not known intuitively.
chris w @ Sep 29th 2006 2:49PM
youre right cronos141 and 32 footsteps
John @ Sep 29th 2006 2:51PM
Interesting, I just had a debate on violence in media today in class.
I easily won, and we came to the conclusion violence in media has no affect on youths.
But, im too bored and lazy to comment with my reasoning. Mainly because it's several pages long.
Advanced @ Sep 29th 2006 3:37PM
Here is a article by MSN about the murders. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12665680/
No place does it mention GTA or Video games at all. Seems like someone is trying to get paid to me.
ALso, he killed his sister so she wouldn't tell.
bayushisan @ Sep 29th 2006 2:58PM
Another question to be asked here is why didn't the state's child protective services ever step in. If the abuse was so well known then one would think that the proper authorities would have stepped in long before something like this happened. It seems to me that what truly led to these killings is the insidious evil known as the indifferance of others.
epobirs @ Sep 29th 2006 2:59PM
Aside from the horrific abuse, has anyone taken into consideration the psychological trauma resulting from sustained exposure to Sam Donaldson? Just having him on TV occasionally was bad enough.
Steven @ Sep 29th 2006 2:59PM
You have to already be pretty crazy to do something like this.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 3:02PM
More likely, Driven crazy.
The kid needs psychological help, but as far as I'm concerned, he did the rest of the world a favor.
LaughingTarget @ Sep 29th 2006 3:09PM
bayushisan -
There is a difference between well known and known to the proper authorities. Yes, a number of individuals did know of the abuse, however, none of them thought it necessary to report it to the proper officials.
Michael Morris @ Sep 29th 2006 3:16PM
"Another question to be asked here is why didn't the state's child protective services ever step in."
Actually the 300+ pounder from CYFD, Art Otero, did testify that he went to the home after a report was made. The worker testified that while Delbert and Tryone stood on the porch he took Cody about 25 feet away and asked if there had been any abuse with daddy watching.
Chrisq @ Sep 29th 2006 4:03PM
I live where this happen...actually just right up the street, it was a crazy day, but honestly why does everytime some kid goes and shoots up somthing its blamed on VIDEO GAMES?????
Ben Hobbs @ Sep 29th 2006 3:15PM
"Ben, you're a moron. Did you even READ LaughingTarget's (#41) post? Or don't you believe in little things called "facts" that disagree with your opinion."
So why are you the only country with kids going to school with guns and mowing people down, I remember a couple of years ago in the UK a kid killed a teature with a knife, it shocked the country, but he didnt mow down like 20 kids.
America has more murders than any other country, why do you think that is? I never felt safe whilst I was there - WOW you have to register to buy a gun, no way round that then!
#41's post probably alludes to the higher paid, middle classes than anything else. I can' see how anyone with an ounce of sense would think "More Guns = Less Deaths", Lets try comparing the US to any other Developed nation (one that doesn't have guns), rather than comparing South Central LA to Suburban Minnisota or something.
LaughingTarget @ Sep 29th 2006 3:26PM
Ben Hobbs -
Never said more guns = less death. The article points out that the presence of firearms has no bearing on murder rates or other types of crime. The effots to restrict or remove the weapons from the hands of individuals will in no case eliminate or reduce crime and murder. Florida is the perfect example, with large minority populations across the state, particularly in the less than affluent Miami area, have all posted major reductions in crime rates since the passing of the CHL law, and have further reduced since passing the self-defense amendment that allows the use of lethal force with full immunity from civil and criminal suits. Family cannot sue you for killing their brother the mugger. If the anti-firearm segment of the population were correct in their opinions and beliefs, the crime reduction would not have occurred, and Florida would be the bloodiest state in the nation. Washington DC and Illinois share that wonderful title, and both areas have near-blanket ban on firearm ownership.
Firearms control is a scapegoat that politicians use to try and pull eyes away from their true failures. The Michael Bloombergs of the nation focus in the wrong places, and the end result is an increase in crime and violence. New York City has a near-ban on all firearms, yet they seem to have a rising per-capita violence problem. Great job, Bloomberg, pull the wool over the eyes of the public to demonstrate your failure as a leader.
When individuals like yourself accept government controls, especially in constitutionally protected areas like firearms, does nothing more than open the gates for more government control and moves the nation toward a totalitarian state. By accepting government controls on firearms, you have by default given up your right to complain about other negative and unconstitutional laws such as The Patriot Act. By allowing and supporting weapons to be controlled by the government, you have to accept a full intrusion by governments in the rest of your life.
You cannot pick and chose your freedoms. You are either free or you're not.
Plus, if you read the CJC list, the deaths go on in Scotland as well. For the record, the UK outright banned all guns prior to the event. Yet another example of how bannings simply do not work.
BMWM3P @ Sep 29th 2006 3:33PM
Guns or video games have nothing to do with this. If you were to blame this on anything it would be the abuse this kid suffered, I would have snapped too if I were under his circumtances.
People that blame killings on guns or video games are just plain dumb, just look at Jeffrey Damher, Ted Bundy they never used guns or played video games they were just some sick individuals that liked to kill.
I play video games and shoot guns, lots of them I might add, and I have never killed another human being. This kid was driven to his breaking point and took it upon himself to end this constant abuse against him. We can't blame him for his actions nobody was going to help him so he just helped himself.
I am sick and tired on gun control and anti video games activist using these people to advance their own cause. Jack Thompson and all these other idiots making these frivolous lawsuits accountable for all of our taxpayers money being wasted on stupid shit like this.
Pyrocy @ Sep 29th 2006 3:39PM
Immedate News Release - 9/29/06
POSEY INFLUENCED BY POPULAR MURDER/SUICIDE/GENOCIDE SIMULATOR
On the morning of July 4th, 2004. Cody Posey, a 14-year-old gamer, was under intense satanic possession by the popular videogame "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City" when he had killed his father, stepmother, and stepsister on their ranch at Alberqurque, New Mexico.
What stoned-out gamers and the ESRB may not realize is that I was called in to the file the wrongful death suit due to my abrasive expert opinion on the effect of violent media on our youth. Which was the case in the trial of Mr. Posey and his family.
Like my bolstering career as an opportunist and professional ambulance chaser, the allegations that his home life was troubled does have a degree of truth but is often exaggerated by the jewish-controlled liberal media such as Dennis McCaulley's "GamePolitics" and Weblogs, Inc. (The latter will be sued for defaming my character and generally having a different opinion than I do.)
To refresh everyone's frontal lobe-fried memory, I have been on numerous, non-biased, news outlets such as 60 Minutes, Reader's Digest, and Hypocrites Monthly to decrypt and destroy the violent videogame industry who profit off tragedies such as the Coloumbine massacre and more recently, the school shootings in Montreal.
Thankfully, the lord has chose me to pursue and end the pagan-influenced game industry and to wash away the filth in order to secure the existence of our people and a future for pure children. Hooah!
Contact Hack Thompson at XXX-XXX-XXXX
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 3:51PM
You had me going for a minute there Pyrocy. Good job.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 3:51PM
Forgot to add:
But we all know JT wouldn't post that in a story that was relevant.
bayushisan @ Sep 29th 2006 4:36PM
@ laughing target
Which is what I meant by the indifference of others. If someone had spoken up and said "hey this kid needs help" then maybe this all could have been avoided and the deceased paternal unit (I cannot bring myself to call him a father by any stretch of the imagination) would be in jail. I truly believe that this all could have been avoided had just one person come forward and reported the abuse. Now three people are dead because no one thought to get involved.
Probot @ Sep 29th 2006 4:37PM
"more guns = less death"
I know no one actually said this and it's actually not true, but it's a common twisting of somewhat sensible logic.
Anyone willing to use a gun illegally, like for murder or robbery, won't care about breaking gun control laws. And if there are strict gun bans on a community, then the criminals know that people have no way to protect themselves.
If you were a criminal, what would be the more appealing target: the town that bans guns or the town were guns are legal and you have no way of knowing who can defend themselves?
That's not to say "more guns = less deaths," but it is some logic countering that gun control makes us safer.
32_Footsteps @ Sep 29th 2006 4:49PM
I have to disagree with chrono141 to an extent. Humanity is not inherently evil - if that was the case, we never would have gotten to where we are today. No, humanity merely has the inherent capability for evil. Most of us learn to control it and learn to resist succumbing to it, but we all have it.
Similarly, humanity is not inherently good, but we have the inherent capability for it. Because it's more actively encouraged, civilization manages to hobble along.
crono141 @ Sep 29th 2006 4:59PM
That is where religion falls into it, 32. Regardless of your beliefs about the origin of man, it is religion and the fear of an almighty God which allowed society to exist at all.
nojok3 @ Sep 29th 2006 5:05PM
Videogames are in other countries, those players don't go around shooting people. Its not videogames people.
jack thompson @ Sep 29th 2006 5:43PM
Dennis McCauley, of course, is a shill for the video game industry, who brought a Bar complaint against me to shut me up, and it was just thrown out by The Florida Bar as meritless. Dennis won't tell you about that, so intent is he upon covering up his pro-industry bias and his willingness to bring a baseless Bar complaint against its critic.
Since I am the one who brought the Posey lawsuit, you would think that Dennis McCauley might have actually been able to read the complaint which I sent him. There is no similarity whatseover between his characterization of the lawsuit and what it really says. It doesn't even ask for $600 million, so McCauley can't even get that fact straight.
I did three national television shows this week about the lawsuit, but this freelance game industry flak and for blogs such as this can't bring himself even to mention my name in this story or quote from the complaint itself.
The problem with many of you gamers is that you ought to have giant Exhibit A stickers on your foreheads. You are proof positive of how video games have occluded your mental faculty to even engage in rational thought and debate about whether what we pour into our heads has behavioral consequences. Of course it does. Every psychologist knows that. Dennis McCauley knows that, but he gets income from the very industry that he supposedly is fairly covering.
What a joke. What a dangerous, sick joke the term "video game journalist" has become. Oh, and enjoy the below:
URGENT
John B. Thompson, Attorney at Law
1172 South Dixie Hwy., Suite 111
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
305-666-4366
September 29, 2006
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. Via Fax
Re: America’s “Sex and Violence” Pop Culture and the War on Terror
Dear Mr. President:
Your friend and now Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes is quoted today around the world as saying the following:
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS
Hughes: Fixing U.S. Image May Take Years
Thursday, September 28, 2006
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer
• E-MAIL STORY
• PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
WASHINGTON — It may take decades to change anti-American feelings around the world that have been aggravated by war in Iraq, U.S. policy toward Israel and America's"sex and violence"culture, the State Department official in charge of dealing with the U.S. image abroad said Thursday.
Mr. President, Undersecretary Hughes has it right. In November of last year, in my book, Out of Harm’s Way, which recounts my 18 years of labor against the American entertainment industry’s marketing of sex and violence to children, I noted that America gives radical Islamists a powerful recruitment tool with the exportation of our pornographic and violent entertainment products to the rest of the world.
But there is something you can do about that problem right now. You and the Republican National Committee have received more money from the Philadelphia law firm of Blank Rome than from any other lobbyist/law firm in the world.
Blank Rome is the registered lobbyist in the US House and US Senate for Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., which has sold sixty million units of its Grand Theft Auto video games, which feature killing citizens at random, having sex with prostitutes and then killing them, and particularly targeting police officers for death, as I explained on CBS’s 60 Minutes in two broadcasts last year. You met two brothers of a slain Alabama police officers in a special White House ceremony awhile back. Their brother’s killer trained on Take-Two/Blank Rome’s Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, as 60 Minutes showed.
This is the same game, in its San Andreas version, in which Take-Two knowingly embedded interactive, graphic sex called the “Hot Coffee mod” and knowingly sold it to children. Your own Administration’s Federal Trade Commission found that this Blank Rome client, Take-Two was guilty of fraudulent and deceptive trade practices in this “Hot Coffee” scandal. The sale of graphic sex constitutes a violation of federal felony criminal statutes prohibiting the sale of sexual material harmful to minors. Why your Justice Department, knowing fully about this fact, is not prosecuting Take-Two, as I have asked Attorney General Gonzales to do, I have no idea. You should tell him to do so.
Mr. President, maybe you should show some leadership on this very issue that Ms. Hughes has raised and also direct the Republican National Committee to give all donations received from Blank Rome back to these lobbyists for this porn-to-kids industry leader, Take-Two. I have personally contacted, repeatedly, your friend, David Girard-diCarlo, who is an RNC Ranger—so massive is his “bundling” of campaign dollars to the RNC—and he couldn’t care less about the fact that he is both your friend and also a front man for a company that mentally molests minors for money with sex and violence. The Arab world sees this, and simmers. Karen Hughes is right.
Blank Rome also has blood on its hands. The money they have raised and given to the RNC is blood money. Just this week I had to file a wrongful death lawsuit in New Mexico arising out of the fact that a 14-year-old boy trained on Take-Two/Blank Rome’s Grand Theft Auto: Vice City to kill three people. Blank Rome is the functional equivalent of Al Capone’s consigliere, as it knowingly facilitates the rising body count.
Mr. President, it is time to cut the campaign cash umbilical to Blank Rome. Your Administration might as well be taking money from the child pornography industry, with the only difference being that Blank Rome knowingly facilitates the sale of porn to children.
Mr. President, listen to Karen Hughes, as you often do. If you want us to win the War on Terror, part of which is a struggle for the hearts and minds of well-meaning Muslims, then you must tell Blank Rome: “Here’s your filthy money. We don’t want it. It is putting our nation in harm’s way.”
Regards, Jack Thompson
Copy: Undersecretary Karen Hughes
David Girard-diCarlo, Blank Rome
Certain Members of Congress
LaughingTarget @ Sep 29th 2006 5:29PM
crono141 -
I think 32's point is that good and evil have existed in tandem thoughout the entirety of humanity's presence on this planet. To at once point have had absence of one or the other would make the opposite such a foreign concept that it would never have developed. If we are all evil, then good cannot have possibly developed because it took the idea of good to develop that. Conversely, if we are all good but are made bad by society is also not a possibility because if we were all good, we would never do anything bad as a society to develop evil.
Both sides of the coin exist in all of us. The degrees are differing from individual to individual and are developed through personal experiences. Kinda like how we are born we are given the same "neutrality" and balance between good and evil like at the beginning of a game of Fable or Knights of the Old Republic. It is our future actions that shape what we turn out to be.
illspirit @ Sep 29th 2006 5:52PM
"Lets try comparing the US to any other Developed nation.."
Okay. Let's do that. Something like 1 in 4 homes in Switzerland have government issued full-auto assault rifles, somewhere around half the homes have some other firearm, and overall there are like 3 privately owned guns for every man, woman, and child in the country. Oh, and AFAIK, citizens can still buy surplus artillery from the government. And guess how many school massacres they've had? Zero. Which is less than the "gun free" UK has had. They have less crime in general than the UK as well.
The problem in America isn't guns. It's the insane/stupid/criminal people who misuse them. People who would kill each other even if they were left only with a club made from a broken table leg or something. Even if you discount crimes committed with guns from the stats, there are still more murders in the US than most places. Hell, there's more death by drowning here (murder or accidental) than almost anywhere else, so should we ban water too?
Blaming guns is just as stupid as blaming games. Both are inanimate objects, and shifting blame to them destroys the idea of personal responsibility and accountability.
lung @ Sep 29th 2006 6:00PM
Violent video games, music, and movies are part of a much grander scheme in our society where this seeming invulnerable violent masculinity manifests itself through those outlets. You can't target video games specifically as much as you must target our society's values that, since the Vietnam War, have put pressure on males to board up their invulnerabilities with a strong masculine, and often violent, identity. A large number of people who rejected the various civil rights and social movements in the 60s and have been running our country recently have this notion that the U.S. has lost its moral foundation; that we need to teach creationism in school; that evolution is wrong; that guns are for everybody; that church and state should not be completely seperated. You hear it all the time especially now with the elections coming in November. It's no coincidence that our idolized Ronald Reagan, our finally dead former president who was in large part responsible for the overwhelming deficit in the country through the 80s and into the 90s, used a political campaign to note his appearance to be the common, manly man who would stand up for "American values." He is someone who people saw as an emulated John Wayne. He in fact did work with Marion Morrison (John Wayne's rather feminine real name): the ultimate Hollywood achievement at trying to force this masculine image into our society, along with Rambo and all these invincible war heroes of 80s cinema that seemed to shout out, "We lost the war in Vietnam because we didn't have enough MEN!"
To say that video games are the problem is entirely short sighted. There is an ongoing crisis in our society that deals with masculinity. Ask the suburban white male teenagers who stole their black rapper clothes and attitude from the urban black neighborhood who use their physical gestures, most visible in the the hip hop community, to announce their dominance as stolen from classic Italian white men portrayed in famous gangster movies like The Godfather. But, this too is another phenomenon in itself.
IanC @ Sep 29th 2006 5:58PM
You sent a letter to Bush?
Really?
Wow. Jack, i somehow dont think he cares about you.
Oh and shut up about him not telling us about the bar complaint he filed. You know if he spoke about it would get thrown out without a second thought.
Oh and one final thing - how do you like the new look Gamepolitics? Tried posting there yet?
Kincyr @ Sep 29th 2006 6:12PM
Hey Jack, how is it like to have "blood money" since you own stock in T2 and profitted when their stock rose 60% recently?
Your letter to the President is supporting the terrorists' views and America will never give in to their demands.
Speaking of molesting, quit molesting Joystiq. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/molest)
Jack Thompson is a terrorist for he feels that the U.S. Declaration of Independence is a humanistic, anti-biblical document. (Proverbs 14:12) (Proverbs 3:5) (II Corinthians 10:5)
Teddy N @ Sep 29th 2006 6:19PM
" Was there a "go nuts and wipe out your own family" mission in Vice City? If so, I guess I missed it. "
You miss the point that even if there were such a mission, we should not assume that the video game 'made' him do it- even in that case, the crime would at most have been modelled on the game.
Probot @ Sep 29th 2006 6:35PM
"I noted that America gives radical Islamists a powerful recruitment tool with the exportation of our pornographic and violent entertainment products to the rest of the world."
Jack's right. Our country should give up our freedom of speech and confirm to the strict rules of extremist Islam in order to satisfy our enemies. In fact, why don't we just all convert to Islam and that'll solve all our problems. Praise Allah!
Ben Hobbs @ Sep 29th 2006 6:46PM
"You cannot pick and chose your freedoms. You are either free or you're not."
Give me a break, I come from the Uk with its 500+ year old law system and the worlds oldest democracy. We have more 'freedom' than you could dream about.
"Okay. Let's do that. Something like 1 in 4 homes in Switzerland have government issued full-auto assault rifles, somewhere around half the homes have some other firearm, and overall there are like 3 privately owned guns for every man, woman, and child in the country. Oh, and AFAIK, citizens can still buy surplus artillery from the government. And guess how many school massacres they've had? Zero. Which is less than the "gun free" UK has had. They have less crime in general than the UK as well."
Exactly, which proves the point that the US has a problem, because your society cant handle gun control. Just as you can't control your feeding habits, leading the US to be the most obese nation in history. This lack of control allied with the ease of access to guns is what causes the problems.
Switzerland is a particularly non-aggressive country dissimilar to the USA in so many ways - Just as I could point to Holland and their legal drug use, yet minimal drug problems, this same scenario in the USA just wouldn't work.
I don't see kids going into schools and clubbing 20 people to death because they can't get a gun in the UK or other developed countries. I'm not saying the gun is the ultimate problem, but its part of the process - Your the sixth or seventh richest nation in the world, yet the death rate there is 2-3 times higher than any other developed country (none of which have guns).
friedgreenmushrooms @ Sep 29th 2006 6:49PM
Jack Thompson said: "The problem with many of you gamers is that you ought to have giant Exhibit A stickers on your foreheads. You are proof positive of how video games have occluded your mental faculty to even engage in rational thought and debate about whether what we pour into our heads has behavioral consequences. Of course it does. Every psychologist knows that. Dennis McCauley knows that, but he gets income from the very industry that he supposedly is fairly covering."
I'm a little confused, sir. Why are you posting on a video game blog? Comments like that, in this environment, aren't going to make these people, or any people, agree with you. I think you do know that you won't sway anyone, and are posting merely out of spite. Apparently you just come online to chastise gamers, rather than to get them to consider what you're saying.
But regardless of your motive, you did post here...so I'll take the hook.
So...video games have occluded our mental faculty to engage in rational thought and debate about whether what we pour into our heads has behavioral consequences. I don't know whose fault it is that you think that way. Maybe it's ours; obviously we as gamers don't have the best representatives to prove our point (made clear by the majority of comments on Joystiq). But I think the whole problem is mostly due to your own logic. Now that you already have your opinion (that video games make people kill), you are either incapable or unwilling to consider any other possibility. Maybe these killers were never trained by Grand Theft Auto. HAs that thought ever crossed your mind, at all? Have you let it?
Think about this: you, Jack, are completely preoccupied with your own view. Your view is that those who play Grand Theft Auto have a predisposition towards crime, if not murder or even slaughter. You see that, of the murderers, many are playing Grand Theft Auto. This much is true. But that is only correlation, not causation. There is no proof that Grand Theft Auto caused these killings. There is no proof that the game trains murderers, no proof that the game in any way caused these events. But despite knowing that, you still cannot take a logical course.
You, Jack Thompson, are not a logical thinker.
But nobody's perfect. A lack of logic doesn't make people hate you. The reason people hate you is because you are so irrational. There's nothing wrong with lacking logic; plenty of people aren't strong in that aspect. But the difference between lacking a little logic and being completely irrational is enormous. The gamers, the people you have deemed "occluded [of] mental faculty to even engage in rational thought", they are the ones who are annoyed by your irrational outlook. Doesn't that speak volumes to you; don't you understand? The people that you believe are irrational, in majority, think you are irrational.
The world, as a whole, is tired of your inability to govern any situation. Frankly, it's grown to the point when I can't watch any appearance of yours on television. It blows my mind that someone can be so illogical, yet still be accepted as a credible source.
This next bit is a message to all the gamers. Don't complain about Jack Thompson or his methods; he'll only be featured more by the media as a result. After all, people love drama, and it boosts TV ratings. Instead, let Jack finish himself off, and count yourselves blessed that he's not a more capable adversary.
And to Mr. Thompson...please, don't embarrass yourself any further. Become logical, or go away.
-Josh Taylor-
lung @ Sep 29th 2006 7:04PM
Jack,
If you want to be taken seriously, you could, at the very least, offer some rebuttal to these arguments put against you. Otherwise, you're failing to show grounds for your arguments. And that's not very respectable.
Undertaker @ Sep 29th 2006 7:21PM
Well, Jack, despite the near 0 percent chance you have of winning this case, I must admit it takes some brace balls and a twisted mind to try. I mean, seriously, do you really think you'll convince a judge that games, not a lifetime of abuse, cause this kid to kill.
Oh, and a side not, recent reports are coming to light that suggest the PS2 and Vice city did not belong to Cody, but his step father. So, if that turns you true, your argument falls apart instantly. Oh, and I couldn't help notice that the various new outlets you've been speaking with weren't informed about you being kicked off the alabama case, or weren't untill I started to inform them off it. I also not you failed to mention your already exsisting bar complaints, you know, from stern, blank rome, and so forth? Yeah, why arent you telling the new outlets you speak to about those?
Oh, thats right, cause your a fucking hypocrite.
Save your bs for people who have no mental activity, as in anyone who buys into your bull shit, or the members of your church. Gamers are smarter and more in touch with the world then an old crackpot like will ever know.
Heres hoping the ESA finally Puts you where you belong. The unemployment line.
LaughingTarget @ Sep 29th 2006 7:27PM
Ben Hobbes -
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the UK isn't some highly evolved society. They're living under a far more totalitarianistic type government than the US is. The UK government is absolutely convinced its citizenry is a bunch of stupid sheep. They can't take care of their retirement, can't take care of their health, and can't take care of themselves in general. The UK owns the banking system, information outlets, etc, etc. Hardly a free society when everything you do has to be approved by the elected official. These are also the same people that tried to slip a law past you that would give them full range power to minsters to invent any law and change any law without having to be approved by anyone, and it nearly made it.
Now, for the UK being "safer" with the gun ban, the most recent British Crime Survey has listed that firearms crimes have increased by 6% in 2005 over 2004, and the trend has been as such since the passing of the ban.
Just check this out:
http://www.crimeinfo.org.uk/servlet/factsheetservlet?command=viewfactsheet&factsheetid=102&category=factsheets
Here are some cute facts:
"In fact, the current number of firearms offences is almost twice that of 1997/98."
"Firearms were involved in 1,206 more serious incidents of violence against the person (other than homicide) in 2004/05 than in 2003/04."
Gun crime in America drops, especially in regions where gun laws are liberalized. Gun crimes sharply rise in the UK, where guns are banned. Are we seeing a pattern in the civilized UK?
Yes, comparatively, the UK is still far smaller in crime rates. However, the measures the government took had an opposite effect. The UK was a far less violent place before 1997. British citizens are, in general, less violent in nature. However, that peaceful nature makes them perfect victims. Hence the huge boost in firearms crime.
illspirit @ Sep 29th 2006 7:39PM
"Exactly, which proves the point that the US has a problem, because your society cant handle gun control. Just as you can't control your feeding habits, leading the US to be the most obese nation in history."
Proves your point? Umm, how? That's my point, damnit! :P
"This lack of control allied with the ease of access to guns is what causes the problems."
Then why do places here (like Florida or Virginia) with the most open gun laws and the largest amount of people with concealed handgun licenses have less crime than places with gun bans like Washington DC or Chicago?
"Just as I could point to Holland and their legal drug use, yet minimal drug problems, this same scenario in the USA just wouldn't work."
And why not? Before the US repealed its alcohol prohibition decades ago, people predicted it would cause the complete downfall of society. In the end, it provided a net positive for society by all but putting the Al Capones of the time out of business.
And, on that note, something like 60% of all gun violence in this country is a direct bi-product of the narcotics black market. If you want people to stop shooting each other, take the product which is profitable enough to kill over, make it legal, and tax it.
"I don't see kids going into schools and clubbing 20 people to death because they can't get a gun in the UK or other developed countries."
No, but there has been an epidemic of "knife crime" to the point where Home Office wants to ban all things pointy. Seems to me the yobs to lazy to get an illegal gun just moved to the next weapon and haven't slowed down a bit. Not to mention the astronomical increase in hot/home invasion burglaries the UK has suffered since the ban. Criminals know victims are unarmed, and boldy break into homes-- occupied or not --at a rate which now puts the UK at number one in the world.
This on top of a 40% increase in shootings since handguns were banned. On an island nation which should be a lot easier to control the flow of guns into than the US. Bear in mind that hundreds of thousands of people and tons of illegal weapons and drugs are smuggled across the border every year. A ban on guns would just invite more arms to be smuggled in. As it stands, it's a lot cheaper and easier to get a brand new machinegun on the black market than it is to get one which was made registered before the civilian full-auto embargo 20 years ago.
"Your the sixth or seventh richest nation in the world, yet the death rate there is 2-3 times higher than any other developed country (none of which have guns)."
And higher than Switzerland, which has more guns per capita than the US. Correlation != causation.
While we may be the sixth or seventh nation in the "developed" world, the disparity of wealth between the haves and have-nots here puts some third-world ditatorships to shame. Therein may lie your cause and effect. ;)
Anyhoo, if our guns bother you so much, you're welcome to try to come and take them. :)
nightwng2000 @ Sep 29th 2006 8:31PM
John Bruce, for an ongoing response from me to you see:
From http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/28/dissecting-rockstars-formula-joystiq-previews-vice-city-storie/
Comment number 25
From http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/27/jack-thompson-becomes-boring/
Comment 33
As to "Exhibit A"? Let's see: Ever since violent video games started coming out, I've not commited a murder, been in a physical fight, comited rape, attacked any co-workers, performed a school shooting, driven a car above the speed limit (almost never driven. Depends on if you count backing a car out of a tight spot for my mother when I was really young), or even come close to commiting any act that you may try to mislead any individual, organization, or government official into believing it was "because of the video games". So "Exhibit A"? Yup... AS EVIDENCE FOR THE DEFENSE AGAINST THE FALSE AND FRAUDLENT CLAIMS OF A DISHONORABLE, UNETHICAL, BIGOTED PIECE OF GUTTER TRASH NAMED JOHN BRUCE "JACK" THOMPSON.
And D**N proud of it.
nightwng2000
NW2K Software
Pixelante and proud.
BearDogg-X @ Sep 29th 2006 8:45PM
Jack Thompson has "Exhibit A" tattooed on his forehead as the proof needed in this country for tort reform.
Jack Thompson, you're a pork rind that the brain-damaged, sensationalistic news media wants when they're stoned and just want garbage.
Jack Thompson is a one-trick pony whose 15 minutes of fame expired 4 years ago.
News Flash: Your lawsuits against Take-Two, Wal-Mart, etc. are no different than the lawsuits that were filed against Ozzy Osbourne over the song "Suicide Solution", Judas Priest over the song "Better by You, Better Than Me", and Oliver Stone over the movie "Natural Born Killers"(which all three won, meaning the same result will happen for the video game industry).
The war's over, Jacky Boy. You lost. So do the world a favor and quit living in your little delusional fantasy world and practice what you preach: Grow up and get a life.
peter7898m @ Sep 29th 2006 9:02PM
Some time in the future, all households are allowed to buy...nukes. therefore 'More nukes = Less death'
The tention is all there, every1 is afraid to make a wrong step, so less deaths...but a kid gets hold of one, he/she aint aware how dangerous a nuke is, but nevertheless launches it at som1 he/she dont like. That situation can not be stopped, kills the victim and every1 else. There are no nuke games that tell u how to setup, arm and launch a nuke, so violent games are not the cause here. Sure its easy to make a nuke its advertised on TV, but no kid can understand how to do it from a game to reality.
Every1 understand the comparisons here? i hope so, otherwise this post was pointless, but nm.
(violent games are good for you)
Violent games are good for your health.
32_Footsteps @ Sep 29th 2006 9:32PM
Personally, I have committed no crimes, violent or no. I imagine the vast majority, if not the totality, of people here can say the same.
And we're to be Exhibit A on whether video games can have a deleterious effect on human beings?
Sounds like a good deal to me.
bayushisan @ Sep 29th 2006 10:41PM
Ok Mr. Thompson lets talk turkey then. Do you honestly believe that a videogame factored more into this killing than the horrific abuse that Mr. Posey endured? Why not try acting like a real Christian and go to that young man and comfort him, help him heal the terrible psychological wounds inflicted upon him by an abusive father. Odds are you'll never do that because it won't net you any money nor will it make you famous as "the lawyer who destroyed video games". What you are sir is a callous, and mean spirited man whose only goal in life seems to be feeding off the misery of people who have lost loved ones to violence. Shame on you sir.
jdecamp @ Sep 29th 2006 10:53PM
Just let JT keep posting his bullshit here. It will once again show his utter lack of professionalism and his inability to conduct himself in the manner befitting an attorney. He will get tossed off this case just as he was in Alabama. It will be wonderful to watch it happen yet again. He's such an attention whore that he can't resist this type of behavior. He's a spoiled child kicking and screaming trying to get his way, but history has shown us repeatedly that he will never get his way. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
This letter to Bush? The president has more to worry about than violent video games or what some hack ambulance chaser has to say about them. Besides, he's out on his ass in two years anyway.
As far as all of this 'protect the children' video game legislation, it's midterm elections, everyone is trying the 'save the children' angle to get more votes. Once that's over, things will settle down. We'l just hear more of this crap in 2008.
Anyway Jack, good luck in New Mexico. Although you have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. The court transcripts from the murder trial pretty much nails that. Then again, in a country where OJ Simpson can be aquitted of murder, then manage to be held accountable for wrongful death, I suppose anything is possible.
Matt @ Sep 29th 2006 11:00PM
32_Footsteps, have you ever smoked pot or had a drink before you were 21 once in your life? Ever gotten in a fight? What about a driving ticket? You never jaywalked or snuck into a movie theater? Everyone's commited some type of crime even though videogames haven't neccessarily caused it. Oh and uh Ben Hobbs I know the UK has the Parliament, and they have all the power, but you still have a queen right? So doesn't that make you a monarchy?
Royals @ Sep 29th 2006 11:50PM
I personally own several guns and have played many violent video games such as GTA and Manhunt for years and I have never had the slightest urge to hurt anyone with any sort of weapon.
jman924 @ Sep 30th 2006 12:36AM
Jack Thompson,
Please explain why you you think that you are relavant enough for the most powerful man in the world to give a damn about what you think or say.
Kaiser Soze @ Oct 12th 2006 6:24AM
crono141
I am not british crono141, LOL
Though I am european
Why is it so many americans are afraid of a society without guns? Why are some of you calling me EXTREME, because I mention it. Are europeans EXTREME because we dont have guns in the households? Do we feel insecure? No we dont. And we are not afraid that any maniac kid are going to shoot half the cafeteria i the local school either. It's simply impossible because there are no weapons around. Some of you may not belive this, but it's actually true. Only some really hardcore criminals have guns, but I've never heard of any episode where they have killed any cicilians yet. But think about. As far as I konw, USA is the only western country where it's legal to possess weapons. At the same time it's, the most violant western country with the highest killing rate. If I new that anybody had a gun in their household, first then I would feal unsecure.
"You know, people in general have had access to guns at that age ever since colonial times. Every family had a gun or two, and its a good thing they did. There would not be a United States of America now if every family didn't own their own guns for fighting the british."
You know, thats a really poor argument. And back then, everybody had guns. But there comes a time when a society dont need weapons anymore
"Wait, you probably are British. No wonder you hate the gunz then."
Still, why are you so sarcastic about it? What if the murder ratio dropped? Wouldn't it be good? Just asking
"Guns don't kill people, people do."
Guns make it a hell lot easier
"The kid worked on a ranch, he probably had easy access to guns, just like everybody else."
Only ranches in USA
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against USA. But you DONT need guns