"Dmitri" and the anonymous source

MasterDePong, thanks for being rational and calm despite all the knee-jerk bashing going on here.

I do understand where you're coming from but would like to provide a counter-arguemnt - Gay couples are more likely to adopt, thus both providing the same societal advantages as a heterosexual marriage, and easing the burden on charitable organizations. (I'll admit I don't have statistics on adoption rates, but the advantage is most certainly present)

On the whole, the most rational opinion on the matter is one I heard from an ultra-conservative friend - The government should not recognize ANY marriage. It should provide any benefits for civil unions, and leave the matter of marriage up to churches and the like.

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To the rest, I'd like to ask that you take the arguments of others at face value and stop assuming biases in them, no matter how much you disbelieve that someone can be against gay marriage without hating homosexuals. Maybe you're right, but you're not going to get anywhere by attacking the person instead of their arguments.

If you said something worthwhile, adding "and you're an idiot" on the end isn't helping you sound any better than your average hate-monger.

@ Master DePong, I don't respect your opinion because, unlike my opinion, yours actually helps restrict the rights of citizens to have the same protections as everyone else.

Now, onto demolishing EVERY SINGLE argument I have EVER heards against gay marriage.

First things first, Marriage isn't an immutable institution. Some of the first marriage records were property transfers only, usually involving the property(a girl, usually pre-pubescent), and was a contract between her father and the much older than her husband.

This was true for most of the major civilizations in the world, for THOUSANDS of years, and many times, rich men were able to acquire multiple wives in this manner. This is still practiced in some areas of the world today as well, none of those areas are known for stellar human rights records BTW.

In fact, the modern notion of "Marriage for love" is actually quite recent, usually can be pinned to about the birth of the Renaissance in western nations. For practical reasons, Polygamy fell out of favor some years before.

Now, a few things, first, it wasn't until Victorian times that this notion of Marriage for love became POPULAR, mostly because of one marriage for love, that of Albert and Victoria.

Even then, women were, in most societies, still considered, the property of their husbands. It wasn't until the Women's Liberation and Rights movements of the 19th century that this began to change.

Now, fast forward two a few other changes in Marriage since then, nowadays, in most industrialized nations, Marriage contracts are between two people of sound mind and able to consent, so there goes your arguments of marrying the family dog or kids.

Gay Marriage doesn't change this at all.

Now, here is another matter in which marriage has changed, because of a court action no less, in the United States. Loving vs. Virginia in 1967 overturned anti-Miscegenation laws nationwide. These laws made it a felony for two people of different races to marry. The decision was stated thusly:

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law."

Now, I agree with this decision wholeheartedly, only I would extend it to "sexual classifications" as well. Oh, and by the way, just before you think of it, it wasn't until at least 1990 before interracial marriage actually attained 50% approval in this country.

Should civil rights, such as marriage, be left up to the voting populace in its entirety? Really, plenty of unpopular decisions were made in the past that, in hindsight, were considered good for the nation as a whole.

The fact of the matter is this, you don't like Homosexuals to enjoy the same rights as Heterosexuals, the biggest hallmark of a bigot.

Why did I have a feeling that this would turn into some kind of masturbatory discourse where everyone is so sure their opinion is "right". Right and wrong are merely human constructs, unless you believe in the divine word. I'm not about to get into a religious debate with anyone, but I wil state that if we keep this about "man's law" than right and wrong are merely what the majority agree with. Nothing more, nothing less. Any notions to the contrary are just wool over the eyes.

I hate liberals who think their opinions are "right", yet I also hate conservatives who believe their opinions are "right". I'm also aware of the paradox of my argument, since I'm trying to pass off the notion of subjective trues as an absolute truth. I guess I'm self-loathing. ;)

"The offensive part of this article is that they use a freak as a way to smear conservatives. This is not journalism, it is propaganda. Computer Games magazine will never get my $$$ ever again."

For what it's worth, the article doesn't call him a conservative; he does.

The last time I checked, conservatives are not racist by design. If this idiot Dmitri thinks that conservatives are racist, sexist, and homophobic, perhaps he should look up the definition of conservative.

I happen to be a liberally leaning independent, but I don't think it does anyone's agenda any good by spreading falsehoods. Dmitri is a bigoted racist all by himself, social/political ideology aside.

In a place where people relinquish their identities for something otherworldly, I can see why there's no room for racists and bigots. In fact, I can't imagine why a nazi would want to play a game that encourages you to become a different race.
I hate nazis more than anything.
How come all the idiots who claim to hold dear conservative values and morals tend to be racist bigots who want to set this country back 150 years.

I can understand some conservative ideas but I would never call myself conservative, mostly because the voters and politicians who proudly call themselves that tend to be the biggest idiots in politics (and THAT's saying allot), but also because I don't want to be in the same boat as all these Klansm'n who call themselves conservative. Besides, these "neo-cons" proactively go against what I've always considered traditional conservative values in favor of corporate fascist values. I also know the kind of morons complaining about the guy honoring the fallen soldiers in the America's Army game are the same kind of ignorant dopes who think anyone who watches the Newshour with Jim Lehrer is a communist hippie dirtbag. Of course we have to remember that this is the same part of the country that won't go out to vote unless it's to deprive others of rights.

Dmitri huh
This guy makes me look like a saint and makes SOE ( who rightfully banned this Asshat) look like a bunch of old ladies who are too easily offended. "oh my"

Solon your arguements are so classically liberal, they got a hinge of complexity so therefore you feel like you are right and so very self righteous. At least conservatives have the intellectual honesty to say we can agree to disagree but you are so absolutely narrowminded that you refuse to allow anyone to have a view different than your position. I find it completely ironic that you are soo intolerant of any position but yours. I'm Korean in my ethnicity and Homosexuality is far from accepted. So let me get this straight, any society that refuses to embrace your position would be bigoted? Talk about cultural imperialism. Dialogues like this on websites like this are pointless, you are soo engrained in your position that it's clear you have no desire to confused with the facts. Enjoy your world, and I hope it doesn't become a part of reality.

Oops, I meant to say Homosexuality is far from accepted in Korean culture and pretty much most asian cultures. Thailand being the glaring exception and even there there TV is surprisingly censored (no nudity or profane language). Yet my argument is the same, I think you stand in judgement of all cultures that don't embrace the view you are promoting.

I think this is a very stupid arguement. I don't care who you sleep with. Why do you feel the need to ram this very private subject down my throat? Gays in the US are for the most part affluent white people. If they experience physical attacks then they absolutely deserve the protection of the law, there is NO need to create special laws to protect them. Just enforce the laws that currently exist. As an Asian American who really has experienced discrimination and racial hatred, no one will ever know who you sleep with. I however can't hide the fact that I'm Asian.

I read the article and he is very very crazy but then in trying to grasp two people that are linked in a similar way (booted out of a game because of their speech) they got one guy who is a flaming retard, dimitri and someone who is less off the handle like DeLappe. Both did not realize freedom of speech does not extend to a private domain like someone else's servers. There are certain rules in place where people are banned. Now I get that dimitri finds himself at odds with many people because of his views but he is not a victim if he was saying crazy things like say Chomsky I think he should be booted also. I would not want to play a game just to hear the rant of a stranger.

Mike, you lack facts in your post so I think you are hardly in the place to try and belittle Solon for his since he states facts and actually thinks something through in his post. Gays have special laws? You should cite that because I fail to see such things.

Also yes those other cultures would be bigoted why? Because they are 'utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.' So just because you do not agree with his point does not make him wrong. Oh and I am an ABC and I can stand up to say yea it is bigoted of Asians to exclude gays.

Most gays in the US are affluent white people? I need stats on that, while I would agree they are mostly 'white' people it would be due to the fact the US has a majority of people descended from European ancestors.

Also I have no problem in judging others we all do it and I can admit it.

"Whether or not sexual preference is a choice or inborn is a matter of opinion, not scientific fact. I don't know myself, but I do know that people choose to have sex. It is not like breathing, which is done involuntarily. So yes, it is a behavior."


Alright, so, let's say it is, then your heterosexuality is a behaviour also. There's still no reason to treat it any differently.


"Nowhere in my post did I equate gays to murderers and rapists. Nice bit of slander."


By saying saying "hey, if we sanction homosexuality, should we santion any behaviour" you're making a pretty clear implication right there.

"At least conservatives have the intellectual honesty to say we can agree to disagree but you are so absolutely narrowminded that you refuse to allow anyone to have a view different than your position."


How about this one: maybe it's because conservatives are wrong more often?



"I find it completely ironic that you are soo intolerant of any position but yours. I'm Korean in my ethnicity and Homosexuality is far from accepted. So let me get this straight, any society that refuses to embrace your position would be bigoted? Talk about cultural imperialism."


Yeah, hmm, sorta like the current administration doesn't like anything but democracy? And they've made this very clear. Any answer you may give to this will only reinforce my point, btw.

Hey all,

I stumbled upon this article and thought you'd hear it straight from the source, myself.

The nazi talk was "mud slinged" by the President of SOE. He took the quotes from a similarly named character, in an unrelated event two years ago. One of my grandfathers fought nazis on the eastern front in World War II. He survived the entire campaign and went all the way to Berlin. Another one of my grandfathers fell in battle when his ship was strafed. Lets just say, I'm not a fan of nazis. Lets get this first part clear.

One of the editors for Computer Games Magazine contacted me and conducted a professional interview in regards to the anti-gay marriage protest. I often go by my middle name, Dmitri, even professionally. The fact that they used only my middle name is actually a good indication of professionalism from the journalists.

If any of you have any questions for me directly, feel free to email me at baron2100@msn.com. Lets stop the specalation and start getting your information straight from the source. Thank you.

Dmitri
"Strell Samodelkin"