PlayStation 3 billboard, modified

Really?

Nope!

1080p is via software upgrade.

Taken straight from Joystiq:

"First off, Kim clarified that, while the software patch would upscale all content to resolutions as high as 1080p, Microsoft themselves had no plans to produce gaming content taking advantage of this ability."

"Similar to the way the Xbox 360 upscales original Xbox games from 480p to 720p/1080i, you'll be able to enjoy your existing Xbox 360 games at the new resolution."

Alright let me spell it out to you guys BARNEY STILE! Just so that a three year old/Sony fanboy can understand, same thing.

1. Not everyone can afford $600 right off the bat. If someone really want those options one can upgrade.

2. Not everyone is interested in having a blue ray/hd dvd drive. Having a hard drive, or being online, etc.

3. Who the hell can guarantee that Blue Ray will be a success, UMD do I need to say more?

4. If the consumer wants this things they will buy it thats the beauty of being upgradeable. Having all those things standard is nice but tehenn again why am I hearing so many off my friends saying they will wait till the price drops before they buy one. (I wonder if having the cost of all those standard features has anything to do with it)

Dave Mendez,

you never stop do you?

1080p native doesnt have anything to do with Component or HDMI connections. it a matter of whether your HDTV supports 1080p native over Component/HDMI or not. its that simple. as of right now, few HDTVS support 1080p native over Component/HDMI, which is the reason very few video games will be developed in 1080p native.

HDMI is the future HDTV standard, and when market penetration for HDTVs that support 1080p over HDMI becomes significant, thats when MS will offer an HDMI cable for the X360 as they have stated themselves. and you can bet anything it will come packaged with the system.

just for clarification, there do exist a number of HDTVS on the market right now that support 1080p native over that "magic" Component cable you refered to, which comes packed with every Premium X360. however, they are in the minority just as 1080p native HDMI HDTVs are the minority right now.

Dave Mendez -

The software upscale is for existing titles. Microsoft has also stated that developers can create 1080p native titles, which also are done over component. However, creating those titles is pointless given the relatively small percentages of 1080p native sets among even the small segment of HDTV owners. Same will go with the PS3, which will most likely see 720p games on the whole being upscaled. VGA and HDMI are only needed because they have an additional data channel for DRM information, not actual content information. If it weren't for the DRM on HD-DVD and BluRay, then HDMI would be an unecessary technology.

Please point me to any press briefing/interview where you can get 1080p out of component cable.

You are talking about VGA cable that the xbox 360 does not come packed with.

Dave Mendez -

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/23/microsofts-1080p-lets-you-read-the-fine-print/

"If your 360 is hooked up via component cables:

...Titles that run in 1080p natively (none of which currently exist) will also display without a problem."

The writer's comments are true in that yes, marketing will bring frusteration to those (nearly every) persons who can't buy a console because guess what, Sony has failed (or successfully repeated Microsoft's mad method)to make enough consoles. Advertising in the face of console shortages dates back to times far earlier than this latest generation of consoles; in fact it seems that console shortages upon launch has been proven to make the system more desireable. It's the I-can't-have-it-so-I-want-it syndrome. Regardless of PS3, 360, PS2, XBOX, so on and so forth, what I find quite humorous is that each new generation of consoles repeatedly shows the gaming consumers to have the comprehension levels of small children. "But I want it now! No fair Sony didn't make enough! How could they do that?!" Perhaps next time there won't be a huge outcry against the console manufacturer for not making enough; at least look at history and realize things aren't changing that much.

Wow, I just love how all the Sony Cheerleaders (hi ladies!!) come out to justify their purchase/decision. I got a suggestion, how about you Sony ass polishers just shut-up and buy your stupid console. Last time I checked, this is a Joystiq blog, not some pussy-fest of anonymous comments. Joystiq is an equal-opportunity basher and hasn't shown any biased twords a particular system and if you look back at the archives you will see that. I enjoy Vlad and all the other bloggers at this site. If you people can do better start your own blog!

Ok; waiiiiiiiiiiiiit a second. This is crazy confusing right now.

Can you get 1080p right now out of the xbox 360 via component VIDEO CABLE?

Or are we waiting for a software patch? And with this software patch (which isn't out yet) this will enable 1080p via component video cable (and the one that is supplied with the 360 pro only)? Upscaled? Native?

Why is there a vga cable? Is it for the millions of xbox owners that have a flatscreen lcd or television with no DVI/HDMI?

I'm cool with Sony! Composite, Component Video and HDMI 1080P Out of the box, no confusion, HD/Blu Ray out of the box on both the core and pro system.

A price difference of 50.00 or 100.00 without external devices and software patches that aren't out yet.

Sony is the better value and much less confusing.

wow very well said razer, laughing target and gamerx, u guys are the few ppl here that are actually making sense.

Dave Mendez -

I believe the software update that was downloaded a few days ago does this. The VGA cable is used only if you want to upscale DVDs or watch HD-DVDs at full 1080p resolution, no HDMI required. Future production 360's are going to have the update right out of the box.

The component cable does both software upscaling to 1080p as well as the now enabled hardware 1080p native resolution for any developer that wants to use it. Not very confusing at all. 1080p gaming right out of the box without having to purchase any additional equipment, just like the PS3.

Laughing Anonymous Target -

I was online a few days ago and didn't receive any software update. I guess i'll have to wait.

I've had my 360 for 4 months now and no; out of the box I didn't have nor was aware of any software patch.

How do I get this update without wireless connectivity?

Dave Mendez -

I believe you can call up tech support and ask them to send you an update disk. Check over at www.xbox.com to find out.

dave mendez sounds a lot like azn_1080p.

And Dave, have you heard of a little thing called an ethernet cable? You obviously dont have a 360. Stop claiming you do.

Saiclone -

Nah, Azn would have completely ignored the quote and stuck to his guns saying that the 360 could never do 1080p or play video games and is just a white box that sits under your TV that has no purpose or function at all.

LT
True.

wow dave mendez and other sony fanboys = pwnt. saiclone, laughing target, gamerx, razer: very well done, i applaud u all.

Enjoy the billboards. If you own a PS2 or are going to own a PS3, you're paying for them.

So other pics of the ad can be found here:

http://mivadika.com/forum/showthread.php?t=843

Yo; Dave Mendez isn't hiding here buddy and he does have an xbox 360. My gamertag is DaveThe1Mendez! I've also linked myself on each post.

I'm not a Sony Fanboy; the 360 has worn thin on me and the PS3 is looking like a better deal. This coming from someone who put up alot of dough for the pro console, xbox live gold, Memory card, wireless adapter, extra wireless controllers and bought a few titles from live (about 3 or 4).

I'm not into FPS games; I am not hyped up about all the FPS games; i'm not saying they aren't good, I just don't dig them. I definitley dig the sports titles; Fight Night 3 is definitley my favorite title.

Why all the posts?

I feel shook down! Especially with the claims about the 360 being cheaper than the PS3. I bought the wireless adapter 100.00 because I didn't want to run a 75 foot wire to the cable modem by my pc. I never intended on buying an HD television because of finances; but things changed on that end too and now I have one (1080p, Component Video, HDMI and VGA) and it's making me want to step up all of the gear connected to it to really appreciate it.

I have to come out of pocket 200.00 more for an HD-DVD player. Is that a deal? Not really; it's either 500.00 or 600.00 (it won't work without the core 360 or the pro 360) How important is it? Not important right now.

My point is that out of the box the 499.00 and 599.00 playstation are equal or outspec the xbox 360 pro with the wireless adapter (that's not by choice; I really do need wireless connectivity which Nintendo and PS3 include)and HD Video playback (either HD-DVD or Blu Ray)I save 100.00 more with the stock PS3 (pro or whatever they will call it)

Other people's needs may be different but I need Wireless Connectivity and want some sort of HD Video capablility to sport on my new investment (HD Television) I don't NEED the latter but that's the direction I'm going in (next gen Video player)
I invested in the 360 but I'm not one of the happy campers. LOL; do you guys need a serial number?

I don't like that there is going to be a PS3 shortage; and I don't like the pricing scheme of either machine. I actually favor Sonys if it's HD gaming and video playback we're talking about. If it's straight up gaming; it's Nintendo hands down. One system to chose from; priced right and no core or pro system.

I'm not on the sink the PS3 ship; when they get all their stuff together with meeting demand, I think they will be the system to beat or a hair behind Nintendo when all is said and done.

I'm assed out of this next gen HD Gaming war; I lose either way (investing more in the 360 or trading it in and investing in the PS3)

Bottom Line is if I hadn't invested in the 360 this year and did a little more homework; I'd have just waited for the PS3 and purchased the Stock system.

Am I still a fanboy? Or am I backpeddling or not doing something to anyones liking?
I honestly am not clear on the whole 1080p issue, component video cable, VGA, HDMI as I have not been able to test anything yet or see anything written clearly for me to understand from Microsoft. Had it not been for some of the posts here from some of you; I would have stood misinformed and confused instead of just confused.

Peace and Much Respect

Dave

Like the pic and it is true 100%.

Simple but Powerful.

C'mon... it's not like someone goes around town with a Sony credit card and buys advertising on the spot. Sony pre-paid for its advertising long ago, to get the best deals and placements. Already paid for it, might as well use it, even if you don't have the units to sell.

I have no interest in a PS3 to be honest. Why? I don't have the money for a display to make use of it's advantages. I think a LOT of gamers will find themselves in this situation as well.

Look, the tech just isn't there yet to justify the purchase of a PS3. Maybe in a few years when it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to own a TV that supports 1080p, I'll think about it. I don't think it's a stretch to assume many gamers are in the same boat, and if that is the case then it doesn't matter how high a resolution the PS3 can output if the majority of their market can't see the difference.

If it comes down to having to select either a 360 or a PS3, I'm goin with the 360, because they do offer the benefit of choice. While Dave Mendez's situation mandates that he "doesn't have a choice and had to upgrade" his 360, this isn't the case for most people.

Dave Mendez:
"Can you get 1080p right now out of the xbox 360 via component VIDEO CABLE?

Or are we waiting for a software patch?"

Can you get 1080p right now out of the PS3? No, you're waiting for it to be released, which will be after the Xbox gets it's update.


"Why is there a vga cable? Is it for the millions of xbox owners that have a flatscreen lcd or television with no DVI/HDMI?"

Right, it's for HDTVs and monitors. My DLP set from 2 years ago has VGA in and most every HDTV released today has a VGA input.


"I'm cool with Sony! Composite, Component Video and HDMI 1080P Out of the box, no confusion, HD/Blu Ray out of the box on both the core and pro system."

Actually you'll need to spend another $20-30 on an HDMI cable as it is not included with either system.

BURN!

Very exciting,
Can't wait

Mathematics...............

Xbox 360 core system = 299.00
Xbox 360 pro = 399.00

Core system cannot play xbox 1 games and you cannot play online after taking it out of the box; you have to spend another 100.00 on the hard drive or a Pro system. 399.00

With the ps3 spending 100.00 more (499) you can play ps1 and ps2 games, and you get an HD Blu Ray player & HDMI.

If you want to watch HD-DVD movies on your Xbox 360 pro you have to pay 200.00 more. Which brings you to 599.00 which is the same price as the PS3 stock/pro system.

You need 100.00 more for wirless connectivity which the 599.00 PS3 already has with triple the hard drive memeory. So now you have the 360 with HD-DVD playback and wirless connectivity at 699.00.

Or you have a choice!

Choice 1 - 299.00 core system; you can't play online and you can't play xbox 1 games without your supposed choice of accessories (Memory card/Hard Drive)

Choice 2 - 399.00 pro system. You can play online IF you chose wired Ethernet. No HD-DVD movie playback and no wireless connectivity.

Choice 3 - Add HD-DVD playback drive for 200.00 bringing you to 499.00 with the core system (same price as core PS3) but still no xbox 1 game compatibility and you still can't go online.

Choice 4 - Add HD-DVD playback for 200.00 bringing you to 599.00 with the pro system (Same price as stock/PRO PS3)you have no wireless and no HDMI (which the ps3 has)

Choice 5 - Add HD-DVD playback for 200.00 and 100.00 = for wireless play plus 40.00 to be able to play online which brings you to 649.00 with your core 360 system.

Choice 6 - Add HD-DVD playback for 200.00 and 100.00 for wireless play which brings you to 699.00 for the 360 pro system. You still have 3x less HD space than the Stock/Pro PS3 and you are paying 100.00 more than the Stock Pro PS3 with all included!!!!!

thats pretty amuzing

and seriously people.........Sony has really fucked up with their luanch of the PS3.

lack of good launch titles, lack of the systems itself

and not to mention the priceing

id rather have a 360 than a PS3.....but how would i play MGS4??? hm?

The poster should have the Xbox 360 where the playstation is along with a smokescreen in front of last years date.

That's all Microsoft is doing; dodging the truth and trying to make it look like they are the cheaper system. (smokescreen and mirrors)

This is a news story because? It's like me writing a story on how I drew a picture of a Xbox/ wii/ PS3 on fire or something (plese no refrence to overheating). Why can't everyone not be a super fanboy. People can have their own opinions which are not going to be changed by comments such as Lamestation. Gosh just make your point you don't have to advertise Xbox 360, Wii or PS3. Nintendo supporters are people who either have supported Nintendo through good times and bad times or like the idea of the new inovative controller (this is a fact not bias). Xbox supporters probably bought an Xbox or played one often so are more inclined to get a 360. PS3 supporters probably have/ had a PS2 and like the product so will buy the sequel.

All of the so called fanboys are victims of a thing that businesses like to call Brand Loyalty. So stop squibbling an accept other peoples views!