Sony: Blu-Ray on PS3 has "nothing to do with movies"

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that is EXACTLY why games are getting to 25GB in size. It's all PR marketing BS. Sony wants us, the gaming public to BELIEVE that Blu-Ray really is necessary. Maybe it will be 3 years down the line, but it certainly isn't now.

Yes, it's BS that Sony said this. Shipping BluRay is at least partially about pushing it as a movie format.

But despite this, I think in a way, Xbox 360 made a big Dreamcast-style mistake. they went out as the last major platform to use an old storage media instead of the first to use a new one.

I'm sorry, but 9GB isn't going to cut it long. HD has 6x as many pixels as SD. Okay, sure, you can compress the movies with H.264 instead of MPEG-2 and so keep the bloat on movies down to 2X, 3X at the outside. But textures will also get 6X larger.

360 will be hurt by its last of space as much as Dreamcast was. that doesn't mean the platform is crippled (Dreamcast kicked ass), but it isn't something you can write off. It will matter, 360 will have games that don't fit on one disc.

And for the zillionth time, it's not a $600 console, it's a $500 console. The bottom-end PS3 is completely capable, at least as capable than a top-end 360. So if you're comparing functionality and prices, the PS3 provides as much or more at $500 than the 360 does at $400. There's no reason to bring the $600 model into it.

Please JOYSTIQ, Game Programming FAQ's or Facts for FANBOYS.

Programming doesn't take that much space.
Textures, Models, Cutscenes, Sound's Take a lot of Space
Mp3 doesn't support multiple channel output.
Compression increases processor usage
Reading speed of cd's DVD's BD-R and HD-DVD is DIFFERENT, 1x on a CD is a looot less than 1x on BD-DVD.
Procedural synthesis is not that good, it takes a lot more mathematical thinking than just drawing some texture and repeating it across. It takes almost the same memory space (ram or vram). The best way is to use it Both.

HAY GUYZ JUST WANTED TO SAY

WII > BUSH > PS3

Of course 90% of games will fit on DVD-9. Because 90% of games will be offered on both platforms anyway. So they have to design to the least common denominator.

Additionally 90% of all games are crappy. What's really important is the top titles. These are the ones that will exceed a DVD-9 first. And they are also the ones I'm most interested in.

Yes, I'm sure multi-disc games are an option on 360. But I'd rather not have to deal with that if I don't have to.

All these people on here trashing BD. Saying it'll only be lazy developers who use it or such. Well, if smaller is better, why didn't MS use CD-ROM?

The answer is because more storage is better. Even if you usually don't use it, it's there in case you do need it.

CD was big enough for games when PS1 came out. When PS2 came out, CD was just barely big enough for games, shortly into the life of PS2 games switched to DVD-ROM and never looked back. At this end of the PS2 life, virtually all PS2 games come on DVD-ROM, CD-ROM isn't viable for them. Is San Andreas too large to fit on a CD-ROM (or even a DVD-5) only because Rockstar are lazy developers?

So it is a smart thing for Sony to use BD-ROM now. If past history is any indication, BD-ROM will come in very handy before the end of life of the PS3.

jigzat:
There are multichannel extensions to mp3.

http://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/amm/projects/spatialaudio/index.html

ROFL @ 103 YA TOTALLY

IF BUSH WAS A CONSOLE HE'D BE P$3 HES SO RIDICULOUS

WII IS SO MUCH BETTER ONLY JESUS COULD BE A WII

"65. And....Blu-ray is not Sony's proprietary format just like hd-dvd is not MS's propritary format..

Blu-ray was developed by a consortium of companys known as the Blu-ray disc association (BDA)"

wrong. it was developed by Sony and Sony alone. They've had a lot of success getting other companies to help back it up, but Blu-ray IS Sony's proprietary format.
Just like UMD
Just like Betamax
Just like MiniDisc
Just like SACD
Just like ATRAC (lost to MP3)
Just like Memory Sticks
Just like MMCD (MultiMediaCD, lost to DVD)
Just like Digital8 (lost to MiniDV)
Just like MicroMV (again, lost to MiniDV
Just like SDDS (sound format, lost to Dolby and DTS)

i'm seeing a pattern

25 - 50GB capacity OK but what is the transfer rate Phil? Answer: half the speed of a DVD... Sony are morons, bloody morons.

It's painfully slow, unreliable high capacity storage that is expensive & has just a one year warranty on the drive, and the media cant be backed up.

"Already, at our launch titles, we're getting up close to the 25GB limit that we have on our Blu-Ray discs this year"

BS. big time. i want a PS3 as anyone else, but Sony execs are really asses...

I would only be concerned if Phil said: "No one need more space than a DVD can hold."

Since when did storage space, processor speed and screen resolution NOT matter?

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"Well, if smaller is better, why didn't MS use CD-ROM?"

It's called DENIAL, and it ain't just a river in Egypt anymore. It's pointless trying to convince the less-is-more crowd, as this same discussion has been had for months. If nothing else, it's an interesting look into human psychology, that some people have the ability to convince themselves of almost anything.

Although everything rapidly descends into flame war, nothing changes Blake's deliberate mischaracterization of Harrison's remarks to begin with.
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