First 500K PS3s get Blu-ray Talladega Nights

@ PS360 #36
Uhm...yeah, I know. Way to anally suck out the humor from a petty joke. Calm down fanboy.

King Kong sucks. There. We friends again?

@Optimus Prime
"[40. "HDMI makes no friggin' difference anyway. It's not "better" because it's digital. It's just a different technology."

Actually, yes it is. In the same way that optical/coax is better than analog audio connections; and DVI is better than VGA. HDMI will become the standard for consumer television because it is better.


"Some time within the next year or so, we'll have the 360 HDMI cable, when it makes sense for the company to spend money producing it. There just aren't enough 360 owners with HDMI for it to make any sense right now."

NO.

Do you see an HDMI port at the back of the 360? No? Because, if they want to output via HDMI you need to follow licensing specs and use an HDMI--HDMI connection .... which require an HDMI PORT ..ie. MS cant just go out and create a proprietary HDMI cable to fit into their AV slot.

Besides, the 360 video cant output digital.]"


Prime why are you talking about things you don't understand? Analog audio "IS" better then digital audio. You do understand that analog audio can be more the 2.0 sound, right?

Component video may look better then HDMI depending on your set. The HDMI vs. Component has been beat to death and there isn't a clear winner. HDMI will be the standard because the entertainment industry is forcing it down our throats.

Now onto the 360. If you followed the 360 you would know that it is capable of HDMI. Albert that is the video guy that Major Nelson did an interview with on this latest BlogCast stated it can be done and it will be done if the demand is ever high enough for it. Prime do you know more then Albert, a guy that had his hands in engineering the Xbox 360?

@poo;

1: ur a keetsak

2: Stick to your rca audio cables then; you're probably still using cassettes because 'analog sounds better', right? Have you not heard of things called CDs, mp3s? Why did the music industry move from analog to digital? The optical/coax allows transfer of digital audio without an analog intermediatary. Ditto for HDMI in the video realm.

3: If component looks better than HDMI on your set, then your set is worthless. Also, why dont you go and check how many TVs actually support 1080p via component; its the least common input method for 1080p.

4: The 360 has an ANALOG AV connection ..there is no way automagical way that you can turn that ANALOG connection into a digital one. In any case, HDMI is a standard, you need to follow their rules and use their connector .. you cant go out and make an 360AV-->HDMI connector..it MUST be HDMI--HDMI .. Do you otherwise its not HDMI. ie. there must be an HDMI PORT ..

.. and to the yipstick who brought up the dongle idea.. if you cant see that its the same thing as a 360AV--HDMI solution (ie, impossible digitally) then no one can help you.

Ugh, the amount of mis-information about HDMI is staggering here.

1. HDMI is better than Component (This can't honestly be argued against)*
2. The 360 can't add an HDMI cable w/o breaking the spec.
3. The PS3 uses the HDMI 1.3 specification (xvYCC, 7.1 audio, etc)
4. The bad? No HDMI 1.3 capable HDTVs ship until mid-2007 at the earliest.


*Of course people will, but any conversion no matter how good your component cable, will degrade the original signal.

Little fun fact: Top-end HDMI 1.3 spec can carry 48-bit color depth. HDMI can pump out 2008 TRILLION different colors at that spec. No current display technology can support that many colors... yet. There is an australian company that is working on new technology to create sets that can output 90% of the visible spectrum on their sets using lasers (somehow, don't ask me, I have no idea how they are doing it).

The HDMI 1.3 can also output video up to 120 hz. That means you could have video at 120 fps, even though, once again, no displays currently support it or can really handle it. Maybe when SED sets finally are made.

For your TV right now? Yeah, component works, and it works just fine. Same with DVD, same with your standard controller, same with current boradband network speeds. It works great! But what about later? At least I am safe knowing that I will have a cable that is able to support pretty much any possible TV that will come out in the next 5-10 years, and use that set to its fullest potential without any band-aid solutions or peripherals.

Why would a GAME machine come bundled with a MOVIE?

@Optimus Prime
"[53. @poo;

1: ur a keetsak

2: Stick to your rca audio cables then; you're probably still using cassettes because 'analog sounds better', right? Have you not heard of things called CDs, mp3s? Why did the music industry move from analog to digital? The optical/coax allows transfer of digital audio without an analog intermediatary. Ditto for HDMI in the video realm.

3: If component looks better than HDMI on your set, then your set is worthless. Also, why dont you go and check how many TVs actually support 1080p via component; its the least common input method for 1080p.

4: The 360 has an ANALOG AV connection ..there is no way automagical way that you can turn that ANALOG connection into a digital one. In any case, HDMI is a standard, you need to follow their rules and use their connector .. you cant go out and make an 360AV-->HDMI connector..it MUST be HDMI--HDMI .. Do you otherwise its not HDMI. ie. there must be an HDMI PORT ..

.. and to the yipstick who brought up the dongle idea.. if you cant see that its the same thing as a 360AV--HDMI solution (ie, impossible digitally) then no one can help you.]"

2. You still don't get it do you? I am talking about analog connections vs. digital connections. The music industry went to digital media because the price and convenience of digital vs. analog.
No "analog intermediately"? Hahaha, I am not going to go even more off topic and explain how a CD/DVD becomes sound from speakers. Audio is a complete different ballgame then Video.

3. When did I say anything about 1080P? I am not sure why the vast majority of 1080P sets don't accept a 1080P signal but it isn't because it isn't possible of doing so. But 99.9% of all 1080P sets can do 1080P over VGA that the 360 will be using ATM so now you can have your HDMI input free for cable box, HDDVD, PS3, TIVO...

4. Obviously you are wrong about the 360 AV connection. MS has stated that it is possible did you build the AV out on the 360? THEN HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW MORE THEN MS DOES? How many times do you need to make yourself look like an ass that knows more about the 360 then the engineers that built it?

@Anon#000007
1. http://bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm
2. See above.
3. Will you have a 1.3 HDMI set up in the near future? A receiver with 1.3, speakers and TV with 1.3 that will set you back a 1-3 grand each?

1. That article is just, well, retarded (read below).
2. So MS somehow magically got HDCP working through an analog output..?
3. Of course I'll buy an 1.3 capable HDTV, infact I put off the getting a KDL-46XBR3 because it didn't have HDMI 1.3 inputs.
As for audio, the room I use for gaming is too small for a killer audio system, so I'll be sticking to my wireless 5.1 headphones.

More on that article:
I like how they mention "Few displays correspond very well to any common output resolution; instead of 720 lines or 1080, they often will have 768, or 1024"
Anybody with the least bit of sense/knowledge will never purchase a 768p tv.
If you have one enjoy your non ATSC/ISDB/DVB pseudo-HDTV

"Whether it's better or worse will depend upon the circuitry involved"
If your set doesn't suck you should be able to turn the post-processing off.

The best line in the whole article:
"the fact that digital signals are encoded in different ways"
Fucking lol! Yeah, MPEG2 sure is one tricky bastard.

The only thing they got (sorta) right was the length issue, next time try to find someone other than your local cable guy to prove Component>HDMI.

"Why would a GAME machine come bundled with a MOVIE?"

Simple, it's never really been about the PS3, they know a Sony console will sell to fanboys, it all about Blu-Ray. Sony wants some vindication for the Betamax fiasco. They ain't gonna get it with BR I'm afraid.

of course 360us... it doesnt help that MS is releasing an HDDVD player either...

But you DO realize they've been attached to OTHER media formats since Betamax that HAVE done well right? and i was always under the impression betamax did well commercially in business sectors... not just in consumer home end sectors.

Um, doublepost i know, but what's the point in packaging a Hidef film with a composite fecking cable? O.o

DUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

p.s. HDMI's not needed, it's seems to be a sony marketing ploy.=, if your TV can do 1080p then it most likely has a VGA connection too, which can do 1080p.

If sony want to show off bluray wouldn't it better if they bundled the ps3 with a special effects laden blockbuster. Who cares anyway Bluray is crap i'd rather stick to dvd than an untested, cheaply made but high costing movie player.

@Anon

1. I didn’t write the article but it is one of the best articles on HDMI vs. Component that I have read and it was the only one I could think of at the time. I am not informed on the differences of resolutions in the article but I won’t disagree just because of my ignorance on the subject or will I pretend to know what the author of the article was talking about. On the “circuitry involved” issue it isn’t as simple as “If your set doesn't suck.”

Digital signals are encoded in many different ways, I use many different codecs when using my HDTV e.g. MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DiVX… then what player I’m using will convert it to T.M.D.S. when I’m using HDMI.

“If you have one enjoy your non ATSC/ISDB/DVB pseudo-HDTV.” Now you are just throwing around HD buzz words around. You can’t really be so uninformed that you believe that not having an ATSC tuner makes it a “pseudo-HDTV.” What does not having OTA tuner have to do with HD gaming or watching BLU-Ray/HDDVD on? ATSC… never mind I just realized you have no clue what you are talking about.

2. How is HDCP even an issue for gaming? If you are talking about the HDDVD add-on we both know it won’t be used until at least the year 2011. Enough with the straw man.

3. Good for you? So what good is HDMI 1.3 for you? Also you still haven’t came up with any good points why HDMI is better then component hook ups. I have tested HDMI and component cables and did a bunch of trial and error on setups to come up with the conclusion that one is not better then the other. On my TV my cable box looks better over component then HDMI but my old box looked better through HDMI. This is after hours of tweaking it to make it just right both times. Your argument about HDMI being better then component just shows your lack of experience dealing and tweaking with both on multiple sets.

@spoo

"4. Obviously you are wrong about the 360 AV connection. MS has stated that it is possible did you build the AV out on the 360? THEN HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW MORE THEN MS DOES? How many times do you need to make yourself look like an ass that knows more about the 360 then the engineers that built it?"

Ive said this so many times, its not an engineering issue. If you want to use the HDMI specs in audio/video transfer than you MUST follow their rules. This means having an HDMI port which allows HDMI--HDMI connection.

You cannot create your own HDMI dongle or proprietary port and call it HDMI. Its something else, and you will be sued. ie. MS cannot take the HDMI connector and make it fit their PROPRIETARY av port...unless they want to be sued.

That reason alone means that the current 360 will NEVER have HDMI. Just get over it and enjoy what you have.

You guys are some of the biggest cry babies I've seen on the net. I hope Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have enough sense to exclude people like you from their target audience.

Just so there are no cries of, "Fanboy!" I don't plan to even consider buying a next-gen console until a year after they have all been out.

Free movie for a game machine? How about a FREE GAME INSTEAD???

I though the Blu-Ray drive "Has nothing to do with movies."

1. To clarify, I meant if you have a decent set it should have a "Game Mode" or some such setting to disable all the processing i.e.; de-interlacing, color correction, etc.

About the "Pseudo-HDTV" comment; it has nothing to do with OTA tuners, just resolutions, if your set isn't 1080i/p or 720p it's not an HDTV.
1080i, 720p 480&576i/p are the only allowed resolutions (not including anamorphic variations of course) in the U.S. (ATSC), Japan (ISDB) & Europe (DVB). 1280x768 & 1366x768 or any other computer monitor resolution is not technically an HDTV.

So keep enjoying your non-square pixel 15:9 pseudo-HDTV :)

2. Because HDTVs will not accept any non-encrypted HDMI connection, if you want to use HDMI you need HDCP there is no alternative.
Analog Output = No HDCP = No HDMI.

3. http://www.hdmi.org/press/pr/pr_20060622.asp
Something wrong with buying a future proof tv?

"Also you still haven’t came up with any good points why HDMI is better then component hook ups."
No need to, because component looses quality during the Digital->Analog->Digital conversion making HDMI better by default.
Even if you personally can't see the quality difference... trust me, it's there.

And your subjective "tests" mean nothing, what looks good to you will most likely look awful to someone else and vica-versa.

Who the hell give a shit about HDMI anyways? The 360 is working just great without it. Stop trying to make people believe the PS3 is the way to go this gen because its not. Its an overpriced console with features that won't make games better than the 360. This gen the 360 and Wii have the developement support they need to crush the POS Sony company. The 360 already has games on the horizon that crush anything Sony has to offer.

Final Fantasy

you keep talking about the HDMI spec. Have you read it, and know for sure that the HDMI port has to be "built in" and not in a dongle? Also, couldn't a dongle on the outside of a box replicate the circuitry on the inside of one to get video to HDMI, Effectively making a standard HDMI plug (since its all the same circuitry, just on the outside instead of inside)?

Final Fantasy does not look as good as Mass Effect.
MetalGear is not better than Splinter Cell.
DevilMayCry has no chace against Gears of war.
Resistance no! Bioshock yes!

Who care if is comes with a bad movie, you people always arguing and criticizing about anything related to Sony, it seems this like a war.

Personally i will enjoy Blu-ray movies on my sexy Samsung Bordeaux ... God ... Black hawk Down will look bad ass.

My comment wasn't sarcasm. While I do agree this isn't Ferrell's best movie, I still love the stupid comedy. Give me Beerfest over high-brow stuff.

#15 Judd "Trust me, when I worked at Gamestop people bought 360's without knowing about Hi-Def or Live. So if Sony is putting a Blu-Ray player in their PS3, which is the main reason their system is costing $600, you better believe they want to get the Blu-Ray message out. Now those who are buying the PS3 simply because it's called the PS3, are almost going to be forced to try out Talladega Nights. Who can resist something free? Casual gamers will see how good Talladega Nights looks and then be convinced how good Blu-Ray movies look. They might not have been convinced to buy a Blu-Ray film before, but now they know what it's like."

You just said they don't know anything about HiDef and don't know anything about the cables, but you said they will be seing how good a bluray movie will look. BUT the PS3 doesn't come with HD cables, so they won't see the difference anyways!

Gosh, just a terrible movie. Poorly written and just not funny. Kinda’ pathetic attempt at humor. I’d like to see art that would be difficult to create and I’d like to see a script that most people could not write (even if it is suppose to be silly/slapstick humor). This movie came with Playstation 3; fortunately it was not purchased independently.

Poor acting.
Bad comedy.
Bad writing.

Obviously, Will Ferrell has some box office draw but he is not funny and cannot act. He does seem to like to run around in various stages of undress. I’m happy for him that he can make so much money without any skills.

Just plain terrible.