Microsoft developer says Xbox 360 "equal in power" to PS3

m3mnoch
I think Resitance looks better than Gears, sorry my opinion. I am still getting both anyways.

Oh yeah your unbiased anandtech article is from June 2005 so I doubt that it is too accurate.

Just cause you read it on the Internet does not make it a fact. Just cause I say m3mnoch is a Tool, does not make you a Tool.

The 360 has 512 or ram. So does the PS3.
The 360 can divide its 512 +/-256 either way.
They just added 1080p to the 360, how is this a higher resolution than the PS3s 1080p.

Plus it was reported that Oblivion on the PS3 will be sporting better looking graphics than the 360 version. There is even Pretty pictures in Playstation Magazine detailing the differences. Although the differences will be subtle. Sounds alot like what I was talking about when I said "reverse will be true".

From XBox360Fanboy
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2006/11/02/fall-update-fix-released/

Major Nelson reports -- from a rest stop in Massachusetts -- that a fix has been created for those having trouble with the Fall Update. Those of you that have had no problems with the update will not be prompted to get the fix and may continue on as if nothing happened. Those of you who have had trouble should call Xbox Support. We're not really sure how you apply an update to a BRICKED console, but that's probably why you have to call customer support. If anyone out there manages to get this PATCH, leave a comment here and tell us what the process was like.

Nice!!!

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HoodOrnament
360 is 160 watts Without a Harddrive!
XBox Live is not that great.
Online gaming is Online gaming. I use XBox Live, it works, what is so great about it?
PS3 Online service you cannot judge till you try it.

My 360 Bill looks like this.

$399 360
$ 99 Live $49 Every Year (Year 2 in November)
$199 HD-DVD
$100 XBox1 Gamesaves Xfer (XSATA + Memory Cards.)
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$797 Thats $800 Total
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Live is a great service, better than that on a PC (in some aspects), everything is unified with live from the moment you log in. If a game needs a patch it will auto download whereas PC games you sometimes have to spend some time searching for them, like when i picked up GRAW for my PC. The websites i was being redirected to were garbage. The XBox live interface and marketplace allow everything to be grouped together exactly where it needs to be. Not to mention the conveniences of the voice/video chat and message options.

Well, i guess first off is that, I posted both systems maximum wattages as a reference to each of their power comsumption rates. The hard drive adds no more than 10 watts of consumption which is a null statement. A lot of the things you have listed are un-necessary you do not need an HD-DVD drive to play games, that is just some add on, I have no need for it, and it doesnt change the way games are played, Im not worried about my old Xbox games because you know, out with the old, in with the new. Although no wires is nice, and I just picked up my wireless router, no wires is one thing that i do not like for my gaming consoles, im sorry, but give me my full bandwidth, please. Dont cut me down to 54Mbps, yes there are routers that offer double that, but that is un-applicable nonsense (n-draft). Personally I was against spending anything over $350 for a video game console, but i forked it over for my 360, and attested that anything greater than that amount would go to nothing but a computer. As game consoles are supposed to me just that, game consoles, not computers. Of course I pay for live, but its worth it, its a great system.

Joe smith: "Actually @epluribus - the Sony system has 512 MB RAM, but it is split into standard RAM (256) and VRAM (256). This has some advantages and disadvantages and is overall less flexible than the Xbox 360s 512MB of unified RAM."

While essentialy true, I have a bit to add. While the Cell is limited to the 256MB, the GPU can use its 256MB and the 256MB of system RAM (although there is latency when accessing the system RAM).

The 360 does have 512MB of RAM with a unified architecture so that the CPU and GPU split it, but dont forget about the 10MB of eDRAM on the GPU. So in total the 360 has 522MB of RAM.

Ohhh, I thought she was just a random person on the street. Aparently she is a journalist for the BBC News site. That makes more sense.

I think Nintendo is missing the mark. They want to reach out to non-gamers with their, what was it called? "blue-ocean" strategy?, and it isn't looking good. Nintendo gave up on the people that play games are wants to go after those that dont. All they got from this non-gamer was "she wont be so quick to turn her nose-up to her little brother when he askes her to play a game" That isnt a new customer.

It just looks like the whole gamecube scenario is comming back. Where they have a few Great AAA Awesome Games, and little to nothing else. I keep hearing GREAT 3rd party support but I dont see it. Ubisoft is supplying some large number of games! What about the other companies? The Wii has been riding the hype train since it hit in E3, what a horrible time to derail... right before release.

Gears > anything the PS3 has!
And when PS3 finally gets something better, the X360 will have something even better than that!

@48, and others. This is the same, old, tired pattern with you people. (1) State something as fact, that is false (e.g. "PS3 only has 256 MB RAM"); (2) get called on it; (3) start backpedaling, and trying to change the discussion.

If all you can cite is that same old arstechnica article, written by someone who had never touched a Cell processor, then keep reading; the internet is full of much more recent and relevant information. As far as the SPEs not having a "cache" - that's kinda the whole point. They don't need to share a general system cache, and the potential negative performance that entails. The SPEs each have 256 KB of dedicated, private memory, for instructions and data, and also have independent DMA access to main system memory.

And on it goes...

GAH! Wrong Article! Disregard my last :)

"I don't think I'll be paying $250 to help Nintendo screw me tho."

sorry, aex. you lost me with the nintendo screwing thing. please elaborate.

silent scream:
"Fortunately for you, sir, you write for a blogging site."

um. if he was writing for a news site, he probably wouldn't write like that. that's kinda the point. you're whole comment is rendered pointless and pandering.

blogs are about opinion. personally, i think joystiq is trying to be too pc. (politically correct, not personal computer) i like how vlad (and christopher grant sometimes) just let it all hang out. that's awesome and "bloggy."

being careful to not step on anyone's toes kinda goes against the blogging grain. tell us what you think, not what you think we want to hear.

dorks that want edited, watered-down "commentaries" and regurgitated press releases should go hang out at gamespot. if you're offended by the different styles and flavors and opinions of the joystiq writers, well... don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

to that matter, why do you even read joystiq for news? joystiq is about culture and conversations on gaming content. here, we discuss the news, but don't report on it. doesn't really make any difference what we're talking about -- old news, new news, brash opinions -- whatever.

nobody is "hiding" behind the blog moniker. that's like telling an apple it's lucky it's an apple because, dammit, you really wanted a pear.

go find a goddamn pear.

m3mnoch.

Well he was asked to comment on graphics, and the PS3 and 360 have pretty much equal GPU's, but why did he talk about RAM and processing power. I know these things aid the GPU, but what do they have to do with the graphics? Maybe he was saying that these two things both help out the GPU, and thus the 360 and PS3 are equal in power? I don't know, maybe he's just biased... wiat, no, he is biased.

Ugh, how cna anyone possibly think that Gears of War doesn't look as good as Resistance? Have you noticed that a lot of the textures in Resistance are absolutely awful? If anything, I would compare Resistance with something like Call of Duty 3. Once you've seen Gears of War on an HDTV in motion, there's no going back - it's just absolutewly amazing looking. Like nothing ever before.

Regarding the two systems, power-wise I think PS3 has the edge here. The Cell is an amzing processor if you can squeeze everything out of it. However, that's a real if situation. As it is, developers are having a hard time adjusting to the 360's tri-core setup, and this is supposedly the "easy" system to code for. The PS3 on the other hand is a lot more complicated. Until developers get themselves extremely familiar with the Cell, you aren't going to see the amazing games you're hoping for. I think for at least the firs tcouple years, the 360 is going to be tied, if not have a graphical edge over the PS3 since it's ease of coding and unique RAM structure.

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"They just added 1080p to the 360, how is this a higher resolution than the PS3s 1080p."

/sigh

nevermind, scott. i can't discuss anything with you.

you just totally negated any opinion you ever had on anything technically game related. you don't know the difference between a normal map and screen resolution.

you're now officially the tool -- not me.

anyone else feel like discussing the memory allocations?

m3mnoch.

Wow Blake, who poo'd in your cereal this morning? Life can't be bad as all that...

also, he's right; both systems are superior to one another in different areas, but at the end of the day it's a wash hardware-wise. As with any generation, it'll be the software, not the hardware that "wins the day."

@Scott Krueger,

"XBox Live is not that great.
Online gaming is Online gaming. I use XBox Live, it works, what is so great about it?"

Then why bother continuing your Xbox Live Gold account for a second year? If you think that online gaming isn't important to you, then it makes no difference if the PS3 has "free online" service or not.

The point of everything is options.

I have the option of watching Hidef movies on 360. If I want that, then I can buy the addon. If not, then I can save the $200 and buy some games.

No one know how free PS3's "free online" will really be until it launches. 3rd party might choose to charge for online gaming ala Sega (Phantasy Star Universe) or Square-Enix (FFX-2). I don't doubt for a second that those type of games for the PS3 will have additional cost besides Sony's "free online" service for the PS3. Isn't it all about choice? If I don't want it, then I shouldn't have to pay for it. If I don't want online gaming for the 360, I can stick with the Xbox Live Silver account.

Wow, this thread has everyone but the nintendo fans whining.



He's right, though, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all.
The SNES was more powerful than the Genesis. It won.
The N64 was more powerful than the PS. It lost.
The GC and Xbox were more powerful than the PS2. They lost.


Power is insignificant. Perhaps when the gap is as large as it is between the Wii and the PS360 it will matter, but that tiny little barely noticeable gap between the PS3 and the 360?


Doesn't matter. It will not be a deciding factor in this battle.

hey scott krueger. i dont have any of the 360 accessories you mentioned so my xbox 360 is alot cheaper than PS3.

with microsoft, you get options. with sony, youre forced to buy things you dont need just to play games.

"Doesn't matter. It will not be a deciding factor in this battle."

yup. absolutely.

m3mnoch.

My gaming preference aside, this is just horrible journalisim.

I don't think I can hold on for much longer Silicon Knights!. must. play. Next-gen. Eternal. Darkness. soon.

I am shocked I would have sworn that this blog would be filled with the typical MS/Sony/Nintendo sucks and how one is vastly superior to the other, this is a nice suprise for once.

Thanks for clearing that up for us "Jake." Lord knows, "Blake" could use all the help he can get explaining his complex brain processes to the masses. Without "Jake" to come in and berate us all into understanding, we'd all be lost in a sea of "Blake's" seemingly bad, but actually brilliant, jokes. Maybe "Blake" just needs an editor? Hmmmmmm?

Woah...sorry on the delay for a reply, but i guess mostly everybody covered my ideas, i submitted that quite a few hours ago.

my god. i'm so sick and tired of hearing about how so-and-so is "forcing" me to adopt something i don't want to adopt.

*NO ONE, AND I REPEAT, NO ONE, IS FORCING A SINGLE DAMN ONE OF US TO BUY A PS3 OR XBOX 360!*

when will it sink into some of you guy's heads that we, as consumers, are *GIVING* Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo our money? they're not saying, "Buy my console, or else i'll gut your mom and feed you her entrails." they are all offering us a choice: The choice to purchase their product or not.

if you don't like Blu Ray, X Box Live, or the "Wiimote," hey, guess what, you don't have to buy one. there are alternatives out there. Sony is including Blu Ray as an option, but, really, if you are such a slave to their whims as some of you seem to be, then you deserve to get reamed for all the money you willingly give to these businesses.

i mean, jeebus. i don't want a 360 yet, so hey, i didn't buy one. i wanted an X Box and PSP. i bought them. we all buy what we want, and ignore what we don't. my point is, stop claiming that XX company is "forcing" it's way on you, when you clearly have choices concerning what you buy or not. i bet we all look like freakin retards to anyone who may have a passing interest in gaming, and stops buy joystiq for some information to help them with their casual gaming purchases, and they see most of us, here, acting like children. it's no wonder there is such a prejudice against gaming, and why people still think it's for children.

the grown men and women who play games are behaving like 8 year olds!

stop fighting amongst yourselves over things, that, ultimately, don't matter. the guy that came on here and wants a PS3 come November will get a PS3. he doesn't need a Wii or 360 fanboy trying to "turn him." this isn't Star Wars. if he wants a 360, and not a PS3 or Wii, he's going to buy one.

ultimately, this petty arguing doesn't matter (though, of all the posts on joystiq, this one was one of the best, simply because the commenters, for the most part, are owning Blake Snow, which makes me happy, as he's one of the biggest tools on this site), as people will buy what they've set out to buy, unless they find out it does something godawful (like eating babies).

don't fall for all the media spin and hype.

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SiGnEd,
sONY.

whoever said Oblivion on PS3 will have better graphics than Xbox 360 version is blind. The developers clarified from day one that both version will look and play IDENTICAL. They will NOT incorporate any of that motion thing. Oh wait, both versions can't be identical since PS3 won't have rumble. sorry.

Here we go, some fanboy battles:

1) i will NOT get blu ray or HD DVD until those stand alone players get to 150$, which means I won't jump into the next gen movie format for another 3-5 years.
2) xbox live is awesome but I only use xbox live silver for downloads. My online games are done on my PC. (counter strike is the only online FPS I need)
3) Since I rarely use Xbox Live, I don't need wireless adapters. Oh yeah, remember, you do NOT need the official Xbox 360 wireless adapter. You can use any wireless adapters from linksys or dlink or another at 20$ a piece. (correct me if I'm wrong, i believe I read somewhere.) Anyway, ethernet cable is more reliable than wireless.
4) I have the original xbox, it still holds a place next to my tv and Xbox 360 (and Dreamcast =) ). I do not need to use the 360 to play xbox 1 games. The 360 consumes much more eletricity to warrant a xbox 1 game session. Too risky to overheat the 360 with long session play. hence, I don't need that save tranfer.

Here, to all you PS3 fanboys (which are very present since a month or 2 for some reasons) out there, my xbox 360 cost me 399.99$, not 700$ or 800$.

Believe me, when i want HD DVD, i'll get a stand alone player. I never used my ps2 or xbox for dvds.

If I need any extra accessories, I'll buy them later. Even though it adds up to the original 360 purchase, it doesn't hurt as much to fork that cash later than all at once. You know, you're paying 40$ per month for cellphone, which means it's 480$ per year. Which one would you rather choose: 40$ per month or 480$ at once??

In terms of presentation, the two systems look the same...

...but, one is considerably cheaper!

I Always enjoy these threads, they're so entertaining.

What I always find particularly telling is that Sony and associated fanboys always go on about the Cell being more powerful than the 360 processor, and that being the clincher. I would have though people new better by now.

The key decider in graphics output is the GPU, the CPU could be amazing, but if the GPU can't render the image, well, that's pretty pointless ain't it?

The PS3 RSX is a port of a 2 year old 256Mb 128Mbit nVidia PC chip. The 360 GPU is top of the line, best of current gen, almost directx 10 quality device, with double the RAM and way more bandwidth. The Proof is in the pudding:

http://www.wii60.com/uploads/1851.jpg

@ epluribus or anyone else saying the arstechnica articles are wrong because they are dated...

You said there is more current more unbiased articles online, please submit links. The Arstechnica articles were made based off the released specs of the PS3 and 360. It is a dated article, but the hardware hasn't changed since those articles were written, and I haven't seen anything new written in any magazine or game site. If you have, please share it. If you are just regurgitating what Sony says is true, then please do us all a favor and don't act as if you actually know what you are talking about. I will admit to owning a 360. And realistically, I want all the consoles, as I love gaming. I have owned every console the last decade or so. I could care less which is more powerful, I buy to play games, but I make an effort to know as much about my passion as I can, and I think it is funny when people talk about things they know nothing about.

So, you all asked for references, I gave them. They didn't meet your standards due to date (even though nothing has changed since then). So, please provide any references to validate your claims of PS3s power. All you all have done is recite stuff from Sony's press releases and announcements.