Nintendo blogger crossed the line, claims blogmate
by James Ransom-Wiley 
{ Nov 8th 2006 at 11:25PM }
Blogging on Intendo, Rollin (also of Infendo) criticizes fellow Infendoite Jack for crossing the line from fanboy to propagandist. In a recent post, Jack pointed to a couple low Gears of War reviews (8/10s) to simultaneously slam Epic's latest and herald Wii.There's nothing inherently indecent about this tactic. After all, Jack is writing for Infendo, a Nintendo community site. But Rollin brings up a good point, why are so many of us so sure Wii's best will best Microsoft and Sony's best? There's no question that there is a desire for Wii to succeed -- many of us are starving for a change of pace in the industry. But to morph that desire into assurance is dangerous. Wii has not proven anything yet.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Combo4 @ Nov 8th 2006 11:32PM
sounds like a sissy fight ...
Joker @ Nov 8th 2006 11:38PM
yeah, this will end well.
Mullinator @ Nov 8th 2006 11:43PM
Why is a war between two bloggers that are as far as I can tell unrelated to Joystiq even making the news here?
As #1 said, this really sounds like nothing more than a little sissy fight.
mikey @ Nov 8th 2006 11:40PM
i want the wii really bad and i think it'll be great...but c'mon, gears of war is awesome
Kumar Shah @ Nov 8th 2006 11:44PM
Its also sad to see Joystiq being pro-Wii instead of being in the middle. I mean you already have fanboy blogs for each of the consoles.
Optimus Prime @ Nov 8th 2006 11:45PM
Nintendo bet the farm on the wiimote; if it bombs then wii is the last console Nintendo puts out... this is unfathomable by most peeps, and, so, wii must succeed because the consequences would be unimaginable.
And, did that guy actually play gears before he laid down the hate?
I need another drink.
Firefox 2.0 is great.. and FREE, which i like.
Combo4 @ Nov 8th 2006 11:56PM
The question is: How can joystiq write about anything related to this "console war" without offending someone?
I'd say the audience is what makes this an issue.
PhillyRampage @ Nov 9th 2006 11:46AM
Quote:"Enter the Wii. There's going to be such a shift in gaming over the next year that by this time in 2008 we won't recognize it anymore."
How? I saw Zelda. Is that anything new? No, it's Zelda and that's why its great. Just because instead of pressing a button now you can swing for it doesn't mean it's freakin revolution (no pun intended). I think people just need to admit that some games are gonna be awesome and maybe it's not for your system. Live with it. Unless of course, you're willing to pony up.
Matt @ Nov 9th 2006 12:02AM
"Wii has not proved anything yet."
Very true.
ViciousVariable @ Nov 9th 2006 12:08AM
Why are there fanboys at all? Why do some people only go for one or two consoles? Why can't /some/ people respectfully debate the merits of the consoles, and just go "LOL XBOTS AM CRY" or "WII SUCKS FTL" or "P$3 ONLY GOT RIIIIIIIIIIDGE RACER"?
Simple. Cognitive dissonance. The lay-term, (as it is a kind of esoteric reference), would be simple: when given the choice between three (relatively) equally attractive options, when we make our decision, we have to justify that decision. We puff up the reasons for the choice we made, and denigrate the other options.
To bring this into perspective, we've got the Xbox 360 (for the record, I picked this randomly. So no LOL BIAS there). If I wanted only a 360, I would say "hey, not only do I have a relatively moderately priced console, but I have a proven online play! I've also got some awesome games like Gears, Halo 3, and probably all those awesome PS3 games that are probably going to lose exclusivity because of the rising game development costs!" Same thing here with going Wii60, PSWii, XboxSation. Generally speaking, when challenged about people's decisions, they're going to DEFEND their choice by making their choice more attractive and the other choices less effective.
That's my personal thesis on the beginnings of the fanboyism. Some people are not like this, and they're to be respected. Then we see the ultra fanboys (remember Darryle and that aZn_1080p guy?) have to defend the decision to have an expensive (to this college kid's eyes) console that's the very definition of bleeding-edge technology? Well, the Wii isn't next gen/GIMMICKLOL and the Xbox 360 is a piece of junk hardware that once plugged in will OVERHEAT INTO OBLIVION LOL. Etcetcetc.
So, this guy is just like everyone else. He's gotta defend his decision to exclusively support the Wii. He's gonna mock GoW because it pulls the wind out of the 360's sales. Yes, it's absurd. But that's how we humans are, pretty damned absurd.
/now, prepares to get flamed.
//wheee, flames.
Pyroneil @ Nov 9th 2006 12:16AM
Well, I'm not going to say that is necessarily going to top both the 360 and the PS3, but a nintendo system, launching with a Zelda game. A recipe for success.
But seriously Sony seems to be very overconfident in this and possibly trying to do to much, on too much of a gamble. And Microsoft kinda initially dropped the ball when everyone wanted one, and now need to get a few more decent games out to really secure a position in this console war.
Avinash_Tyagi @ Nov 9th 2006 12:18AM
"Nintendo bet the farm on the wiimote; if it bombs then wii is the last console Nintendo puts out... this is unfathomable by most peeps, and, so, wii must succeed because the consequences would be unimaginable."
Actually considering the Cash flow of the DS and other handhelds, the Wii and probably Ninty's next two or three consoles could all bomb and it wouldn't matter
bokchoi @ Nov 10th 2006 1:50AM
I can't believe it. I really can't believe that this is the day I would see a blog finally calling out this type of bullshit that has been going on for months now. Yes I think the Wii is going to do well, yes I hope for the best for PS3, and yes I also was taken by suprise when GoW turned out to be amazing.
I feel that the Wii fanboys are the worst, probably since of the not-so-hot lifespan of the Gamecube, it was good but it wasn't amazing. My personal opinion, I've layed it out, flame me.
Why all the hate? I mean I'll buy the system that has games that I want to play, right now thats going to be Wii and the PC. Who knows, I might just pick up a 360 if more GoW type titles are released, I prejudged that system but GoW changed my perspective. Everyone has to be subject to change, and those fanboys are too ignorant to realize that no one gives a shit about their opinion, because we'll be having too much fun with the console we picked.
R @ Nov 9th 2006 12:33AM
So the fact he doesn't like a particular game that everyone else is raving about means that he's "crossed a line?" God forbid we should have a myraid of opinions.
You know, I didn't think Halo was a great game, the story was blah and combat was slow and repetitive. Also, I plan to buy a Wii later this month. Therefore:
Oh god, I've dissed MS and support Nintendo! I've crossed a line, ladies and gentleman! Hook me up with some front page Joystiq linkage, folks!
Seriously though, this is overblown. Someone disagrees with the majority, big deal. Let it be, sayth the Beatles. Let it be.
Seventy5 @ Nov 9th 2006 12:41AM
Don't you think Joystiq should take a hard look at some of the stories it posts before pointing out something like this? It's awfully hypocritical to make remarks like these while allowing anti-Sony drivel from Blake Snow to sit on your front page. Sony has had many fumbles the past few months, but he digs pretty deep to turn any Sony news negative.
People who live in glass houses.....
Dxtrinc @ Nov 9th 2006 12:54AM
People always hate on Joystiq for being pro Wii...i admit i am a Wii fan but i like the other consoles too...but maybe theres a reason for it?...maybe its because the Wii is NEW AND DIFFERENT!?!?!?!...NO!?!?!?!....not that FPS's arent good but a shooter is still a shooter but a shooter on the Wii while not greatly different..IS STILL DIFFERENT!!!!
I know i would get sick of the same kinds of things coming into an industry with no real change.....
stop being angry and start being happy and excited that a company is trying to actually change something.
and ya Gears of War is cool
Feep @ Nov 9th 2006 3:59PM
Joystiq is not a classic journalistic endeavor. It need not, and nay, should not stick to the classic "fair and balanced". This is a blog, and we come here to read individual views on subject matter and enjoy the various quick-witted and diverse writing styles inherent in such a format.
As such, if you're pissed off that the blog seems to be pro-Wii, then off with you, now.
:p @ Nov 9th 2006 1:08AM
@Optimus Prime
Now Prime we all know you have a Wii pre-ordered and all so your not against it but why always with anit Wii statements? The Wii is being sold at a profit so even if after this year they don't keep the pace with Sony and MS (Can't see why they wouldn't be able to) for this gen they will still be here for next Gen. So they went 'all in' on the Wii they still have nothing to lose by doing so. Nintendo always takes 'risks' but always keeps in mind sometimes things don't work out as planed.
Being a fan of gaming I tend to like things on all systems even if I can't afford them all. For some reason this generation has really brought out all the fan-people in force. The SDF, MDF, and NDF have had their highest enrollments ever. Which is bad because many a Blog and good conversation have been ruined by them.
:P
Sam @ Nov 21st 2006 12:17AM
Because the Wii is the bestest most awesome thing ever to have been created and if anyone says otherwise i'll bludgeon them to death with a Virtual Boy.
Double H @ Nov 9th 2006 1:34AM
@ViciousVariable
That was beautiful. Thank you for that glimmer of sense and perspective.
D-Town @ Nov 9th 2006 3:02AM
Hmm, I don't really get the brahahaha here, anyone actually read the Infendo blog? The guy doesn't slam GoW at all, he simply cites a few reviewers who thought the game was very good, but missed something that they couldn't define. His only point is that the Wii could deliver that something with its innovative approach to gaming. Nothing more, nothing less. All y'all start screaming and pissing blood about something that has practically been suggested since last year's E3.
On a sidenote, I think it's pretty stupid to hype up a game like Gears of War ("Cliffy B. on the brand of toilet paper your momma buys!"). Yawn. It's like the N64 days, when you waited a year and a half on a Rare or N game that would be the end of gaming history and then turned out ot be just another good game. Game journalists are just as susceptible to hype as anyone else, just look at Super Mario Sunshine, got 90+ reviews on release with everyone admitting afterwards that it actually was more in the 80+ range.
For some reviewers, Gears of War falls in that second range. It's a good game, it just isn't the OMFG best of the best. If someone thinks that the Wii might deliver where a hyped up next-gen game failed he crosses the line? Sheesh, stop playing the brain police, get a life.
Don Jose @ Nov 10th 2006 3:47AM
"low Gears of War reviews (8/10s)"
Since when is 8/10 low?
Aex @ Nov 9th 2006 3:09AM
HHAHAHAHAHAHHA OMG HAHAHAHAH
This is the best ever...
Jack the writer of that insane fanboy article praises Blake Snow for making the same point he just made in his wiidiot fanboy blog.
"Jack said...
A blogger named Blake makes a good point over at Joystiq:
"You could read the entire review, but the first paragraph sums the game up nicely: "Next-generation consoles exist to deliver game experiences the previous generation could never deliver. That's their sole purpose in this life. So when a game comes along offering a strange mix of cutting-edge visuals but also tired gameplay, one can't help but feel a little cheated."
Take this kind of post from me as a driver for change in the gaming industry, not just some easy swipe at Sony or MS, before you dismiss it as too much. IMO Nintendo sees the problem, and is addressing it, thus the pro-Wii post."
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHAHAH, OH MAN! THATS JUST GREAT! Hard to keep that "Joystiq isn't bias" crap up when you got a diehard wiidiot saying Blake is Pro-wii in his posts.
Aex @ Nov 9th 2006 3:22AM
Btw, I'm not anti-wii, anti-360, anti-sony. I do like my Sony systems as they have treated me well in the past. But I also enjoy my gf's xbox and while I'm mad I bought a GC, it has provided me with many good times. One thing I have learned is to not buy a console for one game (Zelda) because you will just end up bitter in the end.
That said, I'm thoroughly annoyed at Blake Snow for being... well, an annoying bastard. Most of the Joystiq bloggers don't hold the bias that he does, and I applaud them for that. On the other hand, Blake posts the most on Joystiq, thus why Joystiq has taken the proverbial fall into the shitter. We don't need biased crap in the blogs, that is what comments are for.
Questworld @ Nov 9th 2006 11:57PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think people may have missed the point of the Infendo article, which in itself was flawed in its execution when it started to big-up the Wii. I think the core point is questioning how a game can be "perfect" when it has some noted flaws (nothing game wrecking unless that video of a GoW glitch is in the final product) or "critically acclaimed" when it isn't anything terribly new? For instance, what was so terribly new about the Wind Waker (a Zelda game) and why did Famitsu give it a 40/40?
I think this Gears of War vs. Wii comparison drowned out what could possibly have been a fair query. It certainly didn't help that the writer never even played the game either, not that you have to to be excited over a game, that's just a subjective thing. If you feel unimpressed by it, that's fine, but since it is subjective you can't tell people that they're wrong about how they feel about it (not that he's saying this mind). People do tend to get carried away and may be quick to give a game high marks, especially if it's something that jives with their sould, so to speak. I guess that's just the x-factor when it comes to reviews. One man's trash is another man's treasure, and even in time, one child's greatest videogaming experience becomes the same child's 20 year old counterpart's "meh" game.
As for giving the Wii props, c'mon, we're at its infancy. We don't know how well it'll go. When it hits its peak then you can compare. It's too soon to say and it's too soon to tout.
Blake Snow @ Nov 9th 2006 4:22AM
For the record, I also write for the "wiidiot fanboy blog" Infendo in addition to savvy Joystiq. For a full list of my potential sources of bias and conflicts of interest hit my name for a brief bio.
And for the (joking) record, I don't hate Sony, I loathe them. I'd punch Ken Kutaragi in the baby-maker if I could.
tom @ Nov 9th 2006 10:35AM
@9
i totaly agree,
i think a main reason for "fanboys" is to do with the target market of gamers you have school to high school to uni students, now this age range is not the richest they can't afford to buy all 3 and acompanying games so they feel they must defend their purchase to the Death.a kid does'nt have a stable income his income are his parents, can a kid ask for 3 consoles, controllers and games for chrismas? i think not. so i feel that all SDF NDF ect.. just look at the negatives of a rival, and not cite the positives to keep any questions about the inferiority or flaws of their system away.
DJ @ Nov 9th 2006 7:19AM
I thought the post was really reasonable for a nintendo blog. Nothing he wrote was false. Only opinion.
It was an editorial on the game industry right now, and used GOW as a starting off point, because GOW is a big game in the news right now. I think the people criticizing Jack have too much free time on their hands. Even more so than Jack.
It's a freaking NINTENDO BLOG.
Raben @ Nov 9th 2006 7:26AM
ViciousVariable:
That was the best post I have ever seen on Joystiq. Someone give this poster 25 stars.
Is it possible to force all Joystiq posters to read this before submitting?
Fanboys make the baby Jesus cry.
Moogle @ Nov 9th 2006 7:29AM
ViciousVariable, you idiot! How can we flame you when you speak the truth so coherently? Jeez. :)
Thanks for that post. Something I'd like to add is that no person can ever be free of bias. Similarly, most people think that their opinion and view of the world is unclouded and fair, regardless of how true or untrue this is.
People tend to think highly of themselves. Everyone thinks they're above average. Another thing people do is try to figure out *why* other people say things. "Reading between the lines" it's often called. But there's no accurate way to do this. So every time a Z fanboy reads a post trashing Z, it's because the poster is a Y fanboy. Thus Z fanboy's world is safe, he's still smart and right. When someone posts about how Y sucks or Z is great, well, they're just posting the truth, and Z fanboy reassures himself that his viewpoint is correct. It's an endless cycle of reinforcement.
Darryl and Azn_1080p are actually not good examples - they were just trolls and didn't necessarily believe the trash they spewed.
There really is no truth or middle ground. The most we can hope for out of anyone is to talk about what they like, and ignore what they disagree with.
It's incorrect for Joystiq to cite something like "Popular opinion is that Sony sucks", because I'm pretty sure they didn't go out and do a poll of average citizens with a rigorously unbiased questionnaire. Every indication of 'popular' opinion is filtered through their own fanboy-tinted glasses.
However, it's equally inaccurate to scream about Joystiq being biased, because there's no way to tell what their biases are! People who say that (and I'm guilty of it as well) have their own way of seeing the world, and Joystiq is only unreasonable in relation to the reader's own possibly unreasonable world view.
And of course, everyone by now is thinking "Well, sure, other people do that, but I know that I'm smart and reasonable, and am not just reading my own opinion into everything." You wish, there's no way to escape this fallacy. If there was, do your really think we'd have only two big political parties that argue over silly inconsequential matters while their actions only seem to agree on digging the hole we're in deeper? It's human nature, and you can't tell you're doing it because that's the way it works.
Martin @ Nov 9th 2006 7:44AM
The post could have been excellent, it he didn't keep throwing the Wii in there. I am all for the Wii, and it will be the first next gen console I buy, (unless I get a PS3 to sell on eBay), but seriously, the post went from criticism of next gen (which is very valid) to a EVERYONE BUY THE WII OR I WILL CRY!!! editorial.
And yes, with everyone posting focuses on all the high scores that Gears of War recieved, I think it is good for someone to post about the lower scores (though still very high) scores Gears received. And while reading the reviews for Gears, I also find it hard to believe how it is a 10 or a 9.5 when every review complains about some mix of problems.
Look at DS reviews. It could be an amazing game, but if it has a learning curve (Metroid) or doesn't use the touch screen, a massive amount of points are dropped automatically. Why??? Because the DS is supposed to offer new gameplay... so why shouldn't the rest of next gen.
(Also to note, many of these complaints are also seen in IGN's review of Genji for PS3, and I even though I was reading quotes from that for a second.!)
> @ Nov 9th 2006 8:26AM
"But Rollin brings up a good point, why are so many of us so sure Wii's best will best Microsoft and Sony's best?"
1. Most are Nintendo fanbois.
2. Nintendo fanbois are in the minority.
3. Nintendo fanbois are the MOST loyal to their respective consoles due to great characters created and nutured by Nintendo. Also, due to nostalgia from 8/16bit era.
4. Zelda TP.
SO, not that there are SO many people blindingly thinking that Wii will be bestest. Its just that the few that exist are LOUD and hang out on blogs and are LOUD. And, when you present contradictory views, they jump on you as being anti-nintendo or a sony fanboy.
TwilightKnight @ Nov 9th 2006 8:50AM
#26
"Nintendo fanbois are in the minority."
Um no. If you look at sheer numbers then Microsoft has a real big climb ahead of them if the DS Lite can outsell their next-gen system. Just the meer fact that a portable system is beating the Xbox 360 makes your entire point laughable.
Moving on to the topic at hand. I don't see why he needed to include the Wii into this article, it really doesn't serve a purpose since most readers can already put those two together. Everything else about Gears is correct though.
KilgoreTrout XL @ Nov 9th 2006 9:30AM
It was entertaining read, if only because it's always nice to see someone call their boss an idiot.
Blake- I read your bio. You own a timeshare on Whore Island?
dsub @ Nov 9th 2006 11:02AM
In my opinion, alot of the Wii titles are going to have very inflated reviews. You wait and see, games like Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam and Excite Truck are going to end up getting 8's and 9's. Why do I say this? Initially, these games are going to seem very new and very fresh.
However, once you get beyond the new controller, and see that these games likely offer less in terms of depth and longevity than other games from the same genre that are on PS3/360 people will realize that this new controller is pretty much just going to be a gimmick in certain situations. No online in pretty much every single Wii launch title hurts the replay value big time.
Sure, there will be games like Zelda that will likely get high 90's on reviews that fully deserve it, but at launch...that's it. The next thing in line that we expect to be good is what? Mario Galaxy? Super Smash Brothers Melee?
Anyone notice a trend? The only great sounding games coming to the Wii are STILL Nintendo games. Sure, alot of people have lent the Wii third party support, but it's really starting to look like that third party support has been nothing more than taking tired old franchises and adding the support for a new motion controller to them.
I dearly hope that Nintendo proves me wrong, I really do, but we can only wait and see. The way I look at it, Nintendo has one year. I've said this time and time again. If by this time next year they haven't proved to the general public that the Wiimote really can make games THAT much more interesting and appeal to the casual market...they are toast.
Skwurl @ Nov 9th 2006 9:45AM
#26
Is blindingly even a word?
Anyways, most of the levelheaded people here don't mind "contradictory views" - I know I don't. It's a new concept so of course there will be opposing ideas of whether it will succeed or not.
What I do hate however, is nonstop partisan bashing of a console that people (including you) don't even own yet. I also think your minority figure is wishful thinking on your part, but I digress....
Take Sony for example, I may not agree with their business philosophy, but that doesn't mean I constantly smack the PS3. It's a great piece of hardware that will have some great games - anyone can see that. Sure, I don't think the sixaxis concept is terribly original nor do I plan on buying a unit, but my comments don't revolve around the impending doom of Sony (although I do dip into the massive damage every now and then).
I guess my point is that a good chunk (not all) of the 'Wii resistance' comments are just repeated rants. Kiddie games, gimmick controller, recycled franchise, crappy graphics...blah blah blah...that's not constructive criticism - it's just fanboyism.
But hey, who cares, because they're still buying one on launch right? ;)
Psykechan @ Nov 9th 2006 9:49AM
One major reason is that consumers want to promote their platform of choice so that future game development doesn't cease.
In this generation, a failure could likely mean an exit from the console hardware arena by that particular manufacturer. Sony has the most to lose from this as a failed PS3 could possibly sink the entire company. They have taken many financial hits and need the PS3 to succeed if not dominate. Microsoft has the least to lose as while the Xbox division has only shown one profitiable quarter, they have enough spare cash to at least maintain a presence. Still they are a publicly traded company and shareholders do not like things that continually lose them money.
Nintendo is in an odd situation. The Wii could only capture a niche market and be considered a failure but still be profitable for them. The issue with this scenerio is that third party support would disappear for the Wii's successor and Nintendo would always remain in a niche market at least for as long as they could hold even that.
The rabid fanboy-ism is a defense mechanism. Very few people will own all three next-gen consoles (at least during the active console life) this time around due to price. Contrast this to last generation where it wasn't uncommon to see hard-core gamers with an Xbox GC and PS2. Gamers will likely buy one or two of the systems and badmouth the third.
Mr. Fap-Fap @ Nov 9th 2006 9:59AM
A lot of you people screaming about bias (I'm looking your way, Sony fanboys) REALLY need to sit down and determine the difference between objectivity and neutrality in reporting. Joystiq isn't neutral (and that's a good thing), but they are fairly objective for a blog.
Just because there is a TON of negative Sony news and LOTS of positive Nintendo news doesn't mean Joystiq is supressing positive Sony news or negative Nintendo news.
When we do get "anti-"Nintendo or MS posts, I don't see the amount of sheer venom pointed toward the messenger as I do from Sony's loyal base.
I've said it before and I'll say it again- Sony fanboys strike me as conservatives, in that regard. They want a pretend notion of "balance" (neutrality) when they hear news that they don't like.
If you REALLY want to show that Joystiq is biased, you have to what your Republican counterparts have failed to do for decades– show us HOW Joystiq is biased by proving that there is a ton of "anti"-Nintendo or MS news that they're choosing not to report.
If you can't, then there is no bias. It's as simple as that.
Jusk @ Nov 9th 2006 10:25AM
Wii will succeed. I have no doubt about that.
It doesnt matter what the system is. Noone wants a PS3, 360, or Wii without any games. The system itself is irrelevant. Titles are the major factor.
Some people want amazing graphics in thier titles, and the 360 and PS3 will provide developers with that ability.
With the Wii having millions of consoles available on launch, and many more on the way, the Wii will have the attention of developers from the beginning. Demand for a system isnt as important as the actual number of people who own the system. With a more widely available system, developers have the ability to sell more. Thats a pretty good incentive to pull in developers to produce some very good 3rd party games. And nintendo's 1st party games are already amazing.
And then you end up having a situation like the fight between psp and the DS. The PSP couldnt keep up on great titles, so the DS has become the king.
PS2, in my opinion is currently the best system. Just because of the titles. If the PS3 and 360 cant keep up with nintendo on the title front, then they arent going to do as well. Of course, all systems will be successful.
Sol.. @ Nov 13th 2006 3:48PM
seriously tho, I don't like the wii, but that blog was well written and thoughtout and makes me want a wii. People go into defense mode because they just love thier everso overrated game. It's funny too, because it's slated as overrated because people give it perfect scores. It wouldn't be overrated at 8s and 9s..it's the 10 aspect that saddens me about the state of the industry today. A never ending circle of efficiency thats getting rewarded just as much if not more than thinking outside the box.
ryro @ Nov 9th 2006 11:31AM
Rollin's always been a whiny little bitch who, strangely enough for a Ninteno-oriented blog, never has anything good to say about them. If he does, he surrounds it with 10 other gripes.
Fortunately, he's usually sitting his room inexplicably screaming at its south east corner about how it never pays him any attention, so the crazy bum doesn't post all to often on Infendo.
glitched @ Nov 9th 2006 11:29AM
Sounds like Joystiq's own Blake Snow
GeeT @ Nov 9th 2006 12:50PM
Oddly enough, Nintendo is just taking the "same 'ol games" and introducing a semi-new control scheme. I say semi-new if you don't count previous attempts to do much of the same on PCs rather than consoles. I see the Rev/Wii as nothing but a "party game" kind of console with some nostalgia factor brought on by the VC (where my interest lies...though the pricing is disappointing so far).
However, if you'd like to play a "standard/classic" type game, you're going to go to the badass "power consoles." If I want a racing simulator, a good shooter, or an action game, I will gravitate towards the one with better graphics, physics, and other such improvements. For plenty of those types of games, the Wii control scheme isn't neccessary and would probably be artificially tedious if they try to shoehorn the new controller abilities into them. Oddly, the one type of game I think the control scheme would help with is a dead genre that I used to to like...classic style, slow-paced adventure/puzzle games that require mouse-like input (many of the game types that are successes on the DS). However, there are so many ways to also design a game so that it doesn't require precise mouse navigation/input too.
In reality, you can map/simplify performing complex tasks in an intuitive way to sticks and buttons. The fun-factor of the Wii mostly focuses on the joy of watching your friends looking like idiots. Probably even more entertaining when drunk. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that for most people...just think of karaoke. Probably no coincidence that karaoke also came from Japan.
Alecks @ Nov 9th 2006 1:26PM
It's as simple as this, kiddies.
I Asked 2 Nintendo fan-boys that I hang out with: who do you think is gonna win the consel race? They both said ps3( of course their knowledge in Sony's Playstation/ PS2 being only in the fact that they also own one, but dis it time to time, compared to Nintendo) They still answered.
Will the WII Suceed? There are more Nintendo fans in the world than there are Humans. if you were able to talk to Garbage, the Garbage will tell you about the fun times it had playing Nintendo and snes- THAT SO- Game cube didn't do so well( in a gamers prespective- Money wise, they sold like hot cakes)- I liked Zelda and Super smash... Now lets take a look at n64.. I liked Zelda and super smash.. Lmfao- DAMN, Riding on two best sellers isn't good- SO their changing up the game- which is great- cause RED Steel is gonna be the most inspiriational FPS known to man- as a new design, etc.
Wii will CERTAINLY make Mad amount of money, Due to just FAN Based biaism- Pride- and of course inginuity of Games. Thus Claiming their Stake in the race as one of the best systems to probably out-run Early life cycle.
Xbox360 is the only consel I see not making it. Right now they have Oblivion and Gears of War :(! Anything else on the 360 did not catch my attention what so ever. Halo 3? I didn't like 1-2 why would I get 3...to prove a point? Which brings me to my last point
I'm sadden that this Gaming consel War has made us want a certain Consel to Prove a point instead of buy a system because of the prefrence of play.
:) Sega5 for the win :)
navstar @ Nov 9th 2006 1:17PM
Oh yeah, an 8/10 is a *terrible* review! WHUDever....
> @ Nov 9th 2006 1:34PM
"I also think your minority figure is wishful thinking on your part, but I digress...."
GC is like
> @ Nov 9th 2006 1:36PM
crap.. my post was cut off ...
From Snes on, Nintendos console market share has collapsed (GC=15% of market); the only people buying Nintendo consoles are fanbois and they buy them because of Nintendo franchises (80% of the top GC games of Nintendo)..
Adrien @ Nov 9th 2006 7:12PM
The fanboydom is silly. Looking at what the consoles are offering and what games they offer should really define which system you are going to buy first. (I'm going to get them all eventually).
It's really the games that are going to sell the systems and personal taste and preference are main factors in that. I bought an Xbox because Halo 1 and KOTOR 1 were incredible games. I bought a PS2 because I enjoy great RPG's and enjoy Final Fantasy. I bought a Nintendo DS because I didn't want to bring my computer on a cruise ship, and I love Mario.
I think the Wii will be successful, but I'm also doubtful because the Gamecube had three or four exceptionally well-made exclusive games. The Wii is the "popular contender" due to the huge amount of nostalgia we all have for Mario and Zelda.
What I am against is all this Next-Gen hype that gives certain developers the right to make an incredibly beautiful game with absolutely little to no depth. *cough* Condemned *cough* I haven't played Gears of War but from what I saw it didn't appear to offer anything new or certainly "Next-Gen." Gears of War looks like a better made Winback. Yet, I still can't wait to play it's co-operative mode.
It's going to be the exclusive titles and the quality of those titles that will sell the systems.